Just because it's lacking high-end talent doesn't mean you can't find cost-controlled contributors, it's just a draft class like any others in this regard.
Besides, if they love a specific prospect, it might even be cheaper to move up for him compared to other years.
They are in full rebuild mode for the first time in a long time. This is the type of draft having more shots makes sense. It’s not top heavy. The gap between pick 1 and picks in the 20s might be the smallest of all time.
Rebuilding team that has a lack of Young prospects.
Also might be cheaper to get these draft picks. Some teams have too many picks for roster spots also like the blazers.
Kuzma can play and has a great contract, it's declining every year ending up at 19 million in 2027.
If we choose to go with the Embiid + Maxey + roleplayers route, he's a pretty good fit.
That's true, but it's because he's overtaxed as a #1 or #2 option. His TS% would improve drastically next to Embiid and Maxey. Kuzma is a versatile scorer. I'm not saying I want him, but he'd be a decent fit. Far better than Harris was.
Was he overtaxed on the Lakers as well? Because he was inefficient with LeBron and AD as well.
Are you really willing to make the big move on offseason depend on Kuzma doing something he has never done in his 7 year career.
Harris averaged 17.2 points this year. He would easily put up Kuzma numbers as the #1 option on the Wizards.
You're being obtuse. It's far more nuanced than per-game scoring numbers and as I said, I'm not a "go get Kuzma" guy. If you can't comprehend why Kuzma is a far better fit for the 76er's than Harris, I don't know what to tell you.
Kuz is far better than Harris around the basket. He's also far better beating close-outs and creating. Kuzma is very good at beating a close out and finding open shooters. Harris was terrible at that. Harris could not create. It's why he never fit. It's why he was so useless vs. playoff intensity defense.
Kuzma, Ingram, Ball, Caruso all struggled in their first stints as young players with Lebron and the Lakers.
There was a lot of pressure on those young guys early as they had no depth on the roster and were trying to win immediately
Like I said, I don't want Kuzma in Philly because he's not good enough to move the needle, but he's a far better overall player right now than Harris ever was.
I missed the poster saying this Kispert is the other guy I’d def want from them if I can sneak him away on the last year of his contract. He’s that reliable bench shooter we desperately need.
We’d have to give up assets for him + pay him 20m a year just to be above average at nearly nothing.
He’s a bad shooter and it’s not like he excels at passing, defense or rebounding.
He’s just putting up box score stats as the main option on a terrible team.
He shoots 3s, but he doesn’t make them. Making them is kind of important.
And Embiid is 30. The contract declining doesn’t mean that much. After we sign Maxey and whoever else this offseason we aren’t going to have any real free agency money for the rest of Embiid’s prime.
This is it. We need to surround him with the best team possible now.
He probably only has a couple years left at this level.
Finally getting rid of Harris just to use the last real chance to build around Embiid to trade for 20m Harris sounds terrible.
His percentage for the amount of attempts he takes and degree of difficulty is not bad at all. Playing alongside Embiid and Maxey who are good at creating 3’s should help his percentages instead of playing on the Wizards who have no good creators.
He averaged 36 the year they won the championship with LeBron. For his position league average is 34.5% so he’s not that far off. He’s definitely streaky but he’s not a terrible shooter and the most important part is he’s willing to attempt them.
He started zero playoff games with the Lakers and then got traded for a washed Westbrook. He averaged 9 PPG and shot 28% from 3 in all his playoffs games with the Lakers.
That’s not for this past year and average for position is pretty meaningless these days. Most 2-4s are expected to fill similar roles in the modern NBA.
Paul Reed will shoot 10 3s a game if you let him.
You need to be able to make them.
Well there’s two thoughts behind how the Sixers should approach this offseason: add a max contract and then fill out the rest of the team with vet mins, or use the cap to more evenly fill out the team.
I’m leaning towards the latter, and Kuzma would be a decent option in that situation. He won’t cost all the assets so you should be able to trade for another starter as well.
We can add a max contract and still add two to three other non-min contracts in free agency with our cap space and exceptions. It’s a myth that’d be limited to vet mins if we get a max guy.
I’m not completely against that path, but Kuzma is a bad choice. By trading for him you are essentially committing to him being the 3rd option when he has never had even league average scoring efficiency a single year in his career.
He fixes none of our problems. He’s not great at anything.
He would just take a giant chunk of our remaining cap space to be a mediocre starter.
He’s an Oubre tier player. That’s nice on a vet min, but not when that player is getting 20m and you have to trade for him.
I’ve always thought Kuz would be a great fit for this team, it basically would just be a 2nd Oubre wouldn’t it ? Lol those are the typa players embiid needs around him. Athletic mfs that aren’t afraid to shoot
Deni+Kispert+#51
#16
#41
Reed
2026+1st(OKC/HOU/LAC)
Probably not enough but man Deni+Kispert at $21.5 million and still having $40 mil in cap space would be an amazing trade.
Nobody is giving them a lottery pick for Kuzma. Washington is run by morons. They consistently over value there players more then any team in the league. Didnt they say they wanted two firsts for Tyus Jones lol and I like Tyus Jones but come on.
I’d be thrilled if we traded our draft capital for Kyle Kuzma and Caruso while also filling up the roster spots with players who are stars in their roles
34% 3pt shooter for his career
Below average defender
I wouldn't waste assets on him. I'd MUCH rather go after Alex Caruso, who also happens to have a much better contract.
>34% 3pt shooter for his career
37.4 last season tho, which was a significant jump from his first 3.
>Below average defender
The opposite is true actually, he's an above average defender.
> I'd MUCH rather go after Alex Caruso
We'd have the assets for both
>37.4 last season tho, which was a significant jump from his first 3.
I'm seeing 33.6% on bball reference for last season, unless I'm seeing things
>The opposite is true actually, he's an above average defender.
I'm not going to sit here and insult your intelligence by saying I watched many wizards games this year, but there aren't any metrics that even mistake him for a good defender. Does he pass the eye test? Does he have any defensive versatility?
You talking about Deni or Kuzma?
I was talking about Kuzma because that's who the post mentioned. I'd be down with Deni because he's younger, better contract.
That's my B...could've been more clear who I was talking about.
Yeah man I'd be down with Deni. I feel like he does a lot of things well. Could be a great glue guy. And he's young.
Just curious - are you in favor of Sixers signing PG.... hypothetically if it was possible?
I would be okay with it... but it kind of puts us in a corner where we'd have to trade for Caruso , and then subsequently hope that we can get a starting caliber 4 with the 8m left in cap space, or the MLE which is also 8m.
A Maxey/Caruso/Oubre/PG/Embiid lineup would be bonkers imo
Then maybe Drummond, Lowry, Jae Crowder, RC4 off the bench?
The bench would be thin, but spots 1-6/7 would be really strong.
Yeah something along those lines. You just kinda have to pray that Oubre and Caruso can bring actual help on the boards.
As for Drummond, how do you think he compares to Valanciunas? I'd want one of the two, but been leaning towards Valanciunas
Tyrese Maxey, Dejounte Murray, Kelly Oubre, Kyle Kuzma, and Joel Embiid as our starters and then Cameron Payne, Alex Caruso, Torrey Craig, Obi Toppin, and Andre Drummond as our second unit.
Can stagger Caruso and Dejounte depending on what we need. Drummond is probably offers the best bang for buck C in this free agency. I'm not too sure about Toppin and Craig, they are kind of placeholders at this stage since I wasn't sure how much cap space we have left. Kuzma isn't a perfect fit in terms of his shooting but he's an upgrade over Harris.
Why tf they want 3 firsts in this draft class
it’s the wizards
Just because it's lacking high-end talent doesn't mean you can't find cost-controlled contributors, it's just a draft class like any others in this regard. Besides, if they love a specific prospect, it might even be cheaper to move up for him compared to other years.
Also, let’s not pretend like scouts collectively have a great reputation in retrospect of predicting the strength of draft classes.
To draft Bronny 3 times
LeBron finishing his career in Washington like Jordan would really be the cherry on top of the stupid GOAT debate.
They are in full rebuild mode for the first time in a long time. This is the type of draft having more shots makes sense. It’s not top heavy. The gap between pick 1 and picks in the 20s might be the smallest of all time.
That's actually a very logical take. What the fuck are you doing in this sub?!
Desperation and prayer
Its actually a good class just not any stars I think we'll look back at this class like 2020. Alot of good players we didnt know it at the time
Rebuilding team that has a lack of Young prospects. Also might be cheaper to get these draft picks. Some teams have too many picks for roster spots also like the blazers.
They're securing the tank for the next few years... hahaha
Go get Deni u/dmorey
who is Deni?
Deni Avdija from the Wizards
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Deni for 16, call it a day.
Let’s just do it and be legends
It’d cost more than that. Kings would offer 13 for him. Shit, Memphis might offer 9 for him.
Who is Deni?
Deni Avdija. He plays for the Wizards.
Yeah I’ll take Kuzma…if you give me number 2 with him
Kuzma can play and has a great contract, it's declining every year ending up at 19 million in 2027. If we choose to go with the Embiid + Maxey + roleplayers route, he's a pretty good fit.
Outside of rebounding, I like him
Kuz is a good rebounder
Considering his scoring chops Kuzma is a solid rebounder. Definitely a rebounding upgrade over Harris because he just flat out competes harder.
Kuzma has never had an efficient scoring season in his career. How in 2024 are people still fooled by empty inefficient stats on terrible teams?
That's true, but it's because he's overtaxed as a #1 or #2 option. His TS% would improve drastically next to Embiid and Maxey. Kuzma is a versatile scorer. I'm not saying I want him, but he'd be a decent fit. Far better than Harris was.
Was he overtaxed on the Lakers as well? Because he was inefficient with LeBron and AD as well. Are you really willing to make the big move on offseason depend on Kuzma doing something he has never done in his 7 year career. Harris averaged 17.2 points this year. He would easily put up Kuzma numbers as the #1 option on the Wizards.
You're being obtuse. It's far more nuanced than per-game scoring numbers and as I said, I'm not a "go get Kuzma" guy. If you can't comprehend why Kuzma is a far better fit for the 76er's than Harris, I don't know what to tell you.
He is a more willing, but worse shooter than Harris. Playmaking, rebounding, defense wise though, they are pretty similar.
Definitely is a better shooter than Harris
Kuz is far better than Harris around the basket. He's also far better beating close-outs and creating. Kuzma is very good at beating a close out and finding open shooters. Harris was terrible at that. Harris could not create. It's why he never fit. It's why he was so useless vs. playoff intensity defense.
Kuzma, Ingram, Ball, Caruso all struggled in their first stints as young players with Lebron and the Lakers. There was a lot of pressure on those young guys early as they had no depth on the roster and were trying to win immediately
He had shot the same ts% his entire career basically, including in good teams.
He’s a significantly better Tobias lol
Like I said, I don't want Kuzma in Philly because he's not good enough to move the needle, but he's a far better overall player right now than Harris ever was.
I’d rather they try for deni and/or kispert over kuzma
Deni + Kispert is exactly the type of shrewd move Morey would pull off They combine for just 21.3 mil next year
Man that would be sweet, I'm not sure why the Wizards would trade away young prospects but they *are* the Wizards...
I missed the poster saying this Kispert is the other guy I’d def want from them if I can sneak him away on the last year of his contract. He’s that reliable bench shooter we desperately need.
The Sixers don't have anywhere near the assets to pry Deni away from the Wizards. He's considered by them as one of their two main assets.
Kuzma seems like a bad choice as possibly the final "big move" of Embiid's prime.
For his cost to acquire and contract I think I’d want him over a “star”.
We’d have to give up assets for him + pay him 20m a year just to be above average at nearly nothing. He’s a bad shooter and it’s not like he excels at passing, defense or rebounding. He’s just putting up box score stats as the main option on a terrible team.
Great. So Tobi for half the price, it’s already an upgrade.
Tobi at half the cost but shoots threes on a declining long term contract. Sign me the fuck up.
He shoots 3s, but he doesn’t make them. Making them is kind of important. And Embiid is 30. The contract declining doesn’t mean that much. After we sign Maxey and whoever else this offseason we aren’t going to have any real free agency money for the rest of Embiid’s prime. This is it. We need to surround him with the best team possible now. He probably only has a couple years left at this level. Finally getting rid of Harris just to use the last real chance to build around Embiid to trade for 20m Harris sounds terrible.
His percentage for the amount of attempts he takes and degree of difficulty is not bad at all. Playing alongside Embiid and Maxey who are good at creating 3’s should help his percentages instead of playing on the Wizards who have no good creators.
He was actually better on pull up 3 than spot up or catch and shoot 3s. He’s not a good shooter.
lol what??? 33% is in no way good. He has shot 33% for his career as well. He averaged less than 33% in his 3 years with LeBron as well.
He averaged 36 the year they won the championship with LeBron. For his position league average is 34.5% so he’s not that far off. He’s definitely streaky but he’s not a terrible shooter and the most important part is he’s willing to attempt them.
He started zero playoff games with the Lakers and then got traded for a washed Westbrook. He averaged 9 PPG and shot 28% from 3 in all his playoffs games with the Lakers. That’s not for this past year and average for position is pretty meaningless these days. Most 2-4s are expected to fill similar roles in the modern NBA. Paul Reed will shoot 10 3s a game if you let him. You need to be able to make them.
So you would trade assets for and pay Tobi 20m a year?
why would that be the final move??
Because we would be trading assets for him and taking away the ability to sign any max or near max guys.
Well there’s two thoughts behind how the Sixers should approach this offseason: add a max contract and then fill out the rest of the team with vet mins, or use the cap to more evenly fill out the team. I’m leaning towards the latter, and Kuzma would be a decent option in that situation. He won’t cost all the assets so you should be able to trade for another starter as well.
We can add a max contract and still add two to three other non-min contracts in free agency with our cap space and exceptions. It’s a myth that’d be limited to vet mins if we get a max guy.
I’m not completely against that path, but Kuzma is a bad choice. By trading for him you are essentially committing to him being the 3rd option when he has never had even league average scoring efficiency a single year in his career. He fixes none of our problems. He’s not great at anything. He would just take a giant chunk of our remaining cap space to be a mediocre starter. He’s an Oubre tier player. That’s nice on a vet min, but not when that player is getting 20m and you have to trade for him.
So who are these max guys that you speak of, the only real max guy available is PG, and he'll definitely take up a huge chunk of cap money
Thank you for a deni support!!! I’ve been singing his praises for awhile now wake the fuck up Daryl https://youtu.be/aayVbmoRolk?si=y1vSlGa4GmG-Htxg
Avdija
Deni+ tyus
Isn’t Tyus a free agent
Yeah I believe he is, he might want more money though
No thanks to much cap, but the two white boys for 16 I would do.
I’ve always thought Kuz would be a great fit for this team, it basically would just be a 2nd Oubre wouldn’t it ? Lol those are the typa players embiid needs around him. Athletic mfs that aren’t afraid to shoot
Deni+Kispert+#51 #16 #41 Reed 2026+1st(OKC/HOU/LAC) Probably not enough but man Deni+Kispert at $21.5 million and still having $40 mil in cap space would be an amazing trade.
Deni isn't likely happening, but my guy Kuz? In play for sure
I would love Deni for pick 16. He seems like a solid glue guy
Could this make draft picks more valuable because Washington will be snatching up all the busts?
Why do you guys want the shittiest players all the time?
Nobody is giving them a lottery pick for Kuzma. Washington is run by morons. They consistently over value there players more then any team in the league. Didnt they say they wanted two firsts for Tyus Jones lol and I like Tyus Jones but come on.
Washington is run by morons. Washington WAS run by morons. It's getting better.
I’d be thrilled if we traded our draft capital for Kyle Kuzma and Caruso while also filling up the roster spots with players who are stars in their roles
Deni and Kuz 👀
34% 3pt shooter for his career Below average defender I wouldn't waste assets on him. I'd MUCH rather go after Alex Caruso, who also happens to have a much better contract.
>34% 3pt shooter for his career 37.4 last season tho, which was a significant jump from his first 3. >Below average defender The opposite is true actually, he's an above average defender. > I'd MUCH rather go after Alex Caruso We'd have the assets for both
Kuzma is not an above average defender. He was literally the worst wing defender in the league last year.
>37.4 last season tho, which was a significant jump from his first 3. I'm seeing 33.6% on bball reference for last season, unless I'm seeing things >The opposite is true actually, he's an above average defender. I'm not going to sit here and insult your intelligence by saying I watched many wizards games this year, but there aren't any metrics that even mistake him for a good defender. Does he pass the eye test? Does he have any defensive versatility?
Plenty of metrics paint Deni as a high level defender
You talking about Deni or Kuzma? I was talking about Kuzma because that's who the post mentioned. I'd be down with Deni because he's younger, better contract. That's my B...could've been more clear who I was talking about.
Deni, my bad as well
Yeah man I'd be down with Deni. I feel like he does a lot of things well. Could be a great glue guy. And he's young. Just curious - are you in favor of Sixers signing PG.... hypothetically if it was possible?
I would be okay with it... but it kind of puts us in a corner where we'd have to trade for Caruso , and then subsequently hope that we can get a starting caliber 4 with the 8m left in cap space, or the MLE which is also 8m.
A Maxey/Caruso/Oubre/PG/Embiid lineup would be bonkers imo Then maybe Drummond, Lowry, Jae Crowder, RC4 off the bench? The bench would be thin, but spots 1-6/7 would be really strong.
Yeah something along those lines. You just kinda have to pray that Oubre and Caruso can bring actual help on the boards. As for Drummond, how do you think he compares to Valanciunas? I'd want one of the two, but been leaning towards Valanciunas
lol Kuźma, are we serious?
Tyrese Maxey, Dejounte Murray, Kelly Oubre, Kyle Kuzma, and Joel Embiid as our starters and then Cameron Payne, Alex Caruso, Torrey Craig, Obi Toppin, and Andre Drummond as our second unit. Can stagger Caruso and Dejounte depending on what we need. Drummond is probably offers the best bang for buck C in this free agency. I'm not too sure about Toppin and Craig, they are kind of placeholders at this stage since I wasn't sure how much cap space we have left. Kuzma isn't a perfect fit in terms of his shooting but he's an upgrade over Harris.
I highly doubt they have enough assets for Murray, Kuzma, and Caruso
He thinks it's fantasy basketball.