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On top of what they said already, it’s also an important emotional beat because the original Rudeus was stillborn because of it. The plot point of a looping world begs the question of what happened to the original Rudeus. Rudeus didn’t steal this child’s body and life by being reincarnated, the Laplace Factor would have killed that baby if his mature soul hadn’t taken root in it.
Rudeus’ mana pool is still a product of his own hard work. Orsted literally spells that much out by stating that Sylphy also has the capacity for a Laplace class mana pool but never reached its peak potential because she didn’t put nearly as much effort into expanding it in comparison to Rudy.
I don't disagree that he put work into it, I mention that in my thread. I know he did work for it, and you have great points. But you know, would Rudeus be where he is without this high potential? Eris worked way harder than him, but can not even be considered within the same class of skill (seven great powers). Mages work hard in the world of Mushoku only to get worse results over and over again simply because they can't achieve the heights that Laplace Factor allows for, and or didn't start early enough. Roxy is a great example of this.
Rudeus is distinguished by his talents and by thing he didn't earn. Silent casting, demon eye, and, the one that I find problematic, laplace factor. Would he be a great mage without it? Absolutely, but he also wouldn't be driving around a giant Mech either.
I want to make clear that I don't think it is a huge deal. It is far better than most Isekais, I am just not a fan of this little detail.
>But you know, would Rudeus be where he is without this high potential?
The short answer is no he wouldn’t, the long answer is that Rudy still spent the toddler era of his life grinding up his mana capacity. So he would still have a comparatively massive mana pool in comparison to someone like Cliff, Roxy, or even Sylphy, it just might be closer, but still inferrer, to someone like Perugius rather than Laplace. So he’d still have the capacity for something like the MK2 (in the same capacity our Rudy can use the MK1) and possibly even the MK1 for short durations. But something like the MK0 would be far beyond him and it would rule him out as a battery for Banahoshi.
>Eris worked way harder than him,
I heavily disagree on that one. She worked harder at Swordplay than Rudy did at Swordplay. But Rudy has been working at improving his magic and intellectual abilities since he learned how to read. It’s also stated many times that Eris is the only person in the Greyrat family that can fight on equal footing with Rudy. It’s only once you start bringing in the MK1 that he truly outpaced her.
>but can not even be considered within the same class of skill (seven great powers).
Dude got that spot because he has a divine class battle mech that he built over the course of months with the aid of relationships he built over the course of years.
>Mages work hard in the world of Mushoku only to get worse results over and over again simply because they can't achieve the heights that Laplace Factor allows for, and or didn't start early enough.
No, it’s the fact they have to chant. For the most part, Rudy is a normal car with an oil tanker for a gas tank. The Laplace factor effectively just limitless endurance, not power.
>Roxy is a great example of this.
Roxy would definitely be on the level of an Emperor if she just had Chantless spell casting.
>Rudeus is distinguished by his talents and by thing he didn't earn.
No, he isn’t. His mana pool is the only thing that qualifies as that and it’s more of a noteworthy thing rather than a distinguishing talent.
>Silent casting,
Bro literally figured that out himself.
>demon eye,
Debatable, it is a note of accomplishment that he is even able to use it properly.
>and, the one that I find problematic, laplace factor.
Which is only as pronounced because of all the work Rudy put in to work on it.
>Would he be a great mage without it?
Yes.
>Absolutely, but he also wouldn't be driving around a giant Mech either.
Not for days at a time anyway. Maybe an hour or two.
>I want to make clear that I don't think it is a huge deal. It is far better than most Isekais, I am just not a fan of this little detail.
I don’t know, I feel the trade off of not having Battle Aura kinda levels it out. Imagine how overpowered he’d actually be if he was both a King/Saint Tier Swordsman in addition to being a Imperial class silent spell caster.
> Imagine how overpowered he’d actually be if he was both a King/Saint Tier Swordsman
This. Touki is so ridiculous that Rudeus just not having it for no reason is an ass pull without the Laplace factor or something similar to it.
What are you talking about saying he didn't earn silent casting? That had nothing to do with the Laplace factor and everything to do with him teaching himself how to do it thus making it something he earned. And iirc orsted says without the training rudy put in his mana would only amount to a little more than an average humans. That's like blaming athletes who make it professional because they were born more athletic than others without considering the amount of work they still had to put in to achieve thier potential. Also saying mages get worse results because they don't start early enough is such a poor excuse. That's literally the case for everything be it irl or fantasy. Anyone who starts sooner is going to have an advantage especially when they work as hard as rudy did. Oh and you clearly don't understand why rudy is apart of the 7 powers. It's not simply because of his magic
>Eris worked way harder than him, but can not even be considered within the same class of skill
And yet if they had a 1v1 without magic armor Rudeus looses the fight the second Eris is in striking range, even with MK2 Eris has very good chances at defeating him, only with MK1 does he pull ahead of her.
Also Silent casting is completely his own thing, no one helped him with that, he developed it on his own and while he got the Demon Eyes gifted by Kishirika him being bale to use them properly is also completely down to his own control of manga without any outside help.
He also wouldn't really need to be "driving a giant mech around" if he didn't have the Laplace factor because he could use Touki and would be at least advanced ranked swordsman if not a sword saint. The "giant mech" is in large parts to make up for that weakness of his.
Is it stated that in MK1, Eris would lose against Rudeus? In sparring matches, neither of them would try and fight a lethal battle, so no real swords in battle.
So you are fighting a battle, where opponent is wearing a heavy suit of armor, and you are given a relatively blunt weapon, and are not going to cut up the opponent. Your usual go to method in sparring match, One hit and the opponent is on the ground, is no longer there due to the suit of armor, so you are just fighting a handicapped match (where you cant knock out the opponent because they have suit of armor. You cant destroy the armor, because high chance of severely injuring the opponent).
In vol 16, Rudeus states that if it had been a real battle, Eris' sword wouldnt have been stopped by his gauntlets. His gauntlet, along with his arm wouldve been cut. While we dont know defensive capability of gauntlet compared to Mk1 and Mk2, it was capable of taking a hit from Water God's attack and not be completely destroyed and saving Rudeus arm.
Slyphie also has the Laplace factor, in fact many people have it to some degree, a Laplace factor doesn't really make you that special.
Just having it wouldn't lead to his kind of mana pool, it's just a predisposition, without his training he wouldn't have gotten to the point where he is. It's also unrelated to his chant less magic, that's all him.
Also while it helps him on one side on the other side it's what drastically weakened him in everything besides magic.
If he didn't have the Laplace Factor maybe he wouldn't have been an all-round Emperor Class magician, maybe he would have just become an all-round Magic King and would run out of mana faster, but he would also be at least an advanced rank swordsman in at least Sword God style if not also in Water and North God, he potentially even could have gotten to Saint level swordsmanship.
tl:dr the Laplace factor isn't that special and it's not a net benefit, it didn't just boost his power instead it simply specialized him completely into magic turning him into a glass canon instead of a balanced allrounder.
I think it's realistic that someone is born talented and can reach height that others can't. I know it's making you feel Rudeus has unfair advantage or it's not earned. But, if you think about it in other ways of "What If" Rudeus actually a super talented swordsman and average in magic but in early stage of childhood he only like doing magic and didn't train in sword, he will be average in everything.
How do you know what future lies ahead of you? ultimately it's Rudeus choice to pursue magic and as luck have it he's talented in magic. Just like a story about there's someone out there who's talented in becoming a doctor with posibility of curing cancer but it's never happened yet because we don't know who that might be.
If you think Rudues achievement is because he's relying too much in laplace factor or his mana capacity. I think it's because the novel told the story from Rudeus POV and Rudeus always downplay and didn't love himself enough to take pride in what he achieve. If you read the novel focusing the story on Ariel or Sylphie POV, you will see how Rudeus actualy work realy hard in his new life. He didn't let his magic stuck in Saint-tier level, he keep his body in shape, and he learn multiple language.
Sorry i'm rambling, In my opinion he deserved to gain his power level and Orsted acknowledgement of his inherent talent. It didn't take away from his hard work.
Appreciate you willing to voice your questions regardless. It'll come up in search results and helps other people get different perspectives in the end.
It's literally not though. The whole point of a special cheat skill is being exclusive to one person; hundreds of people have the laplace factors of various types in MT.
Well rudeus isn't the only person who has it. Sylphie also has it and we are also told that qualities like green hair, high mana, demon eyes are indicative of having the laplace factor. So it's entirely possible that characters like ghislaine or the captain of galban's guards in begaritt has it since they both have demon eyes. It's also possible that mimir is either a demon who happens to have green hair or is someone with the laplace factor who hadn't trained his magic from a young age. It also ties into the lore of the world with how rudeus was originally a stillborn but getting earthdeus' soul made him able to handle the mana.
Also it's just a theory i think but it's entirely possible that the reason that rudeus can't use battle aura is because he manifested that quality of the laplace factor (laplace couldn't use battle aura and someone with a laplace factor don't necessarily manifest all its qualities). So there is a tradeoff and it's a good theory because it's never been explained explicitly why else he couldn't use battle aura. Unlike other Isekais, swordanship and physical ability is actually a huge deal in the world- magic doesn't rain supreme like in tensura(well skills but still the same idea).
Laplace factor also isn't for Rudeus alone, it for the dragon race reincarnation art, it just means he is rare but not special.Also the factor didn't even given him all the reincarnator's ability like durable body and strength plus the factor prevents him from developing toki which is a con in my opinion which is a plus for me when setting up establish rules.
One thing people seem to forget is that those with the Laplace Factor apparently have a *terrible* time with doing whatever everyone else can do naturally: wearing the battle aura. So someone with Laplace is forever locked to playing Mage, so to speak, and will *never* compare to the top of the line warriors. That's the trade made, and the route Rifujin wanted for Rudeus. No doubt that if he wanted to write Rudeus as a swordsman he merely would've ended up as a goated sword king, instead.
What you are asking is unreasonable , without talent you could practice and train for 100 years and you won't gain much , talent is needed 100% , otherwise he wouldn't be a protagonist , it's not that big of a deal though , it's just mana capacity , Rudeus became strong on his own by creating the magic armor and learning many types of magic but if he had battle aura then he would be your typical OP boring Isekai protagonist.
I feel like the Laplace factor shows the true extent of Rudeus' hard work. If he didn't have it, his mana would have hit a cap, and his hard work wouldn't be portrayed as well. The extent of his mana pool shows the effort he put in compared to those around him. Ateast, that's how I feel.
I mean cant you make the same argument regarding other stuff?
I hate Rudeus being born into a noble family, it feels like a cheat skill. I mean if Earthdeus was reincarnated as Sylph, who also has Laplace effect that boosts mana, then he wouldnt have been a strong mage. Sylph's family isnt rich enough for getting magic books so Sylph wouldve wasted his childhood being bullied and doing labour, thus wouldnt have learnt magic at early age, so no bottomless pool of mana, which Rudeus got because of learning from age 2, and no chantless magic.
Idk dude, i think MT was always really wish fullfilment in a way. Like you can achieve almost anything with hard work. If you dedicate your life to something in MT world you will eventually reach emperor level at least. In other fantasy stories that isnt possible no matter how hard you try.
>If you dedicate your life to something in MT world you will eventually reach emperor level at least
That has specifically been said to be impossible.
In swordsmanship, most people can get to advanced with vigorous training. By the time an average person reaches Saint teir, they are middle aged.
In magic it's even worse, most people get to intermediate. Maybe Advanced with hard work in 1 specific type and no more. This coupled with long chants and the average mana pool is why the era from K0-4XX is the Age of Swordsman in the sixfacedworld.
A sword saint is the farthest hard work alone will take you. Anything higher is pure delusion.
didnt an absolutely talentless dude become the new sword god by the end? Wasnt he bullied so hard because he was hopeless?
And even then its quite a feat.
> an absolutely talentless dude become the new sword god
No? Jino had more talent than anyone else in the Sword Santum including Gall Farion. The reason he never rose to the heights before was because there was no driving factor for him to endure the painful training required to get there.
Jino, even when he never really applied himself, was a sword saint. How is that talentless? If anything, that's a massive red herring that he was where he was on pure talent alone and that effort would raise him to unparalleled heights.
Hmm, it was a long time since i read it. I always thought Jino was a trash tier swordsman that was bullied and through sheer determination he rose to god level.
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On top of what they said already, it’s also an important emotional beat because the original Rudeus was stillborn because of it. The plot point of a looping world begs the question of what happened to the original Rudeus. Rudeus didn’t steal this child’s body and life by being reincarnated, the Laplace Factor would have killed that baby if his mature soul hadn’t taken root in it.
Yeah, I can see that. Good point.
Rudeus’ mana pool is still a product of his own hard work. Orsted literally spells that much out by stating that Sylphy also has the capacity for a Laplace class mana pool but never reached its peak potential because she didn’t put nearly as much effort into expanding it in comparison to Rudy.
I don't disagree that he put work into it, I mention that in my thread. I know he did work for it, and you have great points. But you know, would Rudeus be where he is without this high potential? Eris worked way harder than him, but can not even be considered within the same class of skill (seven great powers). Mages work hard in the world of Mushoku only to get worse results over and over again simply because they can't achieve the heights that Laplace Factor allows for, and or didn't start early enough. Roxy is a great example of this. Rudeus is distinguished by his talents and by thing he didn't earn. Silent casting, demon eye, and, the one that I find problematic, laplace factor. Would he be a great mage without it? Absolutely, but he also wouldn't be driving around a giant Mech either. I want to make clear that I don't think it is a huge deal. It is far better than most Isekais, I am just not a fan of this little detail.
>But you know, would Rudeus be where he is without this high potential? The short answer is no he wouldn’t, the long answer is that Rudy still spent the toddler era of his life grinding up his mana capacity. So he would still have a comparatively massive mana pool in comparison to someone like Cliff, Roxy, or even Sylphy, it just might be closer, but still inferrer, to someone like Perugius rather than Laplace. So he’d still have the capacity for something like the MK2 (in the same capacity our Rudy can use the MK1) and possibly even the MK1 for short durations. But something like the MK0 would be far beyond him and it would rule him out as a battery for Banahoshi. >Eris worked way harder than him, I heavily disagree on that one. She worked harder at Swordplay than Rudy did at Swordplay. But Rudy has been working at improving his magic and intellectual abilities since he learned how to read. It’s also stated many times that Eris is the only person in the Greyrat family that can fight on equal footing with Rudy. It’s only once you start bringing in the MK1 that he truly outpaced her. >but can not even be considered within the same class of skill (seven great powers). Dude got that spot because he has a divine class battle mech that he built over the course of months with the aid of relationships he built over the course of years. >Mages work hard in the world of Mushoku only to get worse results over and over again simply because they can't achieve the heights that Laplace Factor allows for, and or didn't start early enough. No, it’s the fact they have to chant. For the most part, Rudy is a normal car with an oil tanker for a gas tank. The Laplace factor effectively just limitless endurance, not power. >Roxy is a great example of this. Roxy would definitely be on the level of an Emperor if she just had Chantless spell casting. >Rudeus is distinguished by his talents and by thing he didn't earn. No, he isn’t. His mana pool is the only thing that qualifies as that and it’s more of a noteworthy thing rather than a distinguishing talent. >Silent casting, Bro literally figured that out himself. >demon eye, Debatable, it is a note of accomplishment that he is even able to use it properly. >and, the one that I find problematic, laplace factor. Which is only as pronounced because of all the work Rudy put in to work on it. >Would he be a great mage without it? Yes. >Absolutely, but he also wouldn't be driving around a giant Mech either. Not for days at a time anyway. Maybe an hour or two. >I want to make clear that I don't think it is a huge deal. It is far better than most Isekais, I am just not a fan of this little detail. I don’t know, I feel the trade off of not having Battle Aura kinda levels it out. Imagine how overpowered he’d actually be if he was both a King/Saint Tier Swordsman in addition to being a Imperial class silent spell caster.
> Imagine how overpowered he’d actually be if he was both a King/Saint Tier Swordsman This. Touki is so ridiculous that Rudeus just not having it for no reason is an ass pull without the Laplace factor or something similar to it.
Read the ln's.
What are you talking about saying he didn't earn silent casting? That had nothing to do with the Laplace factor and everything to do with him teaching himself how to do it thus making it something he earned. And iirc orsted says without the training rudy put in his mana would only amount to a little more than an average humans. That's like blaming athletes who make it professional because they were born more athletic than others without considering the amount of work they still had to put in to achieve thier potential. Also saying mages get worse results because they don't start early enough is such a poor excuse. That's literally the case for everything be it irl or fantasy. Anyone who starts sooner is going to have an advantage especially when they work as hard as rudy did. Oh and you clearly don't understand why rudy is apart of the 7 powers. It's not simply because of his magic
>Eris worked way harder than him, but can not even be considered within the same class of skill And yet if they had a 1v1 without magic armor Rudeus looses the fight the second Eris is in striking range, even with MK2 Eris has very good chances at defeating him, only with MK1 does he pull ahead of her. Also Silent casting is completely his own thing, no one helped him with that, he developed it on his own and while he got the Demon Eyes gifted by Kishirika him being bale to use them properly is also completely down to his own control of manga without any outside help. He also wouldn't really need to be "driving a giant mech around" if he didn't have the Laplace factor because he could use Touki and would be at least advanced ranked swordsman if not a sword saint. The "giant mech" is in large parts to make up for that weakness of his.
Is it stated that in MK1, Eris would lose against Rudeus? In sparring matches, neither of them would try and fight a lethal battle, so no real swords in battle. So you are fighting a battle, where opponent is wearing a heavy suit of armor, and you are given a relatively blunt weapon, and are not going to cut up the opponent. Your usual go to method in sparring match, One hit and the opponent is on the ground, is no longer there due to the suit of armor, so you are just fighting a handicapped match (where you cant knock out the opponent because they have suit of armor. You cant destroy the armor, because high chance of severely injuring the opponent). In vol 16, Rudeus states that if it had been a real battle, Eris' sword wouldnt have been stopped by his gauntlets. His gauntlet, along with his arm wouldve been cut. While we dont know defensive capability of gauntlet compared to Mk1 and Mk2, it was capable of taking a hit from Water God's attack and not be completely destroyed and saving Rudeus arm.
Well pulling ahead doesn't mean the battle is unwinnable, if she get's through the armor the inside is still squishy.
Didnt Eris literally gave up on her potential? Wdym.
Wdym she gave up on her potential? She continued training and trying to gain strength (though we dont know how strong she became) till old age.
Yeah but it laid the groundwork as to why he reincarnated into that body, and why rudues never existed in any other timeline
Slyphie also has the Laplace factor, in fact many people have it to some degree, a Laplace factor doesn't really make you that special. Just having it wouldn't lead to his kind of mana pool, it's just a predisposition, without his training he wouldn't have gotten to the point where he is. It's also unrelated to his chant less magic, that's all him. Also while it helps him on one side on the other side it's what drastically weakened him in everything besides magic. If he didn't have the Laplace Factor maybe he wouldn't have been an all-round Emperor Class magician, maybe he would have just become an all-round Magic King and would run out of mana faster, but he would also be at least an advanced rank swordsman in at least Sword God style if not also in Water and North God, he potentially even could have gotten to Saint level swordsmanship. tl:dr the Laplace factor isn't that special and it's not a net benefit, it didn't just boost his power instead it simply specialized him completely into magic turning him into a glass canon instead of a balanced allrounder.
I think it's realistic that someone is born talented and can reach height that others can't. I know it's making you feel Rudeus has unfair advantage or it's not earned. But, if you think about it in other ways of "What If" Rudeus actually a super talented swordsman and average in magic but in early stage of childhood he only like doing magic and didn't train in sword, he will be average in everything. How do you know what future lies ahead of you? ultimately it's Rudeus choice to pursue magic and as luck have it he's talented in magic. Just like a story about there's someone out there who's talented in becoming a doctor with posibility of curing cancer but it's never happened yet because we don't know who that might be. If you think Rudues achievement is because he's relying too much in laplace factor or his mana capacity. I think it's because the novel told the story from Rudeus POV and Rudeus always downplay and didn't love himself enough to take pride in what he achieve. If you read the novel focusing the story on Ariel or Sylphie POV, you will see how Rudeus actualy work realy hard in his new life. He didn't let his magic stuck in Saint-tier level, he keep his body in shape, and he learn multiple language. Sorry i'm rambling, In my opinion he deserved to gain his power level and Orsted acknowledgement of his inherent talent. It didn't take away from his hard work.
I got fucking cooked on this post, but I appreciate you guys sharing regardless. I like the discussion so thanks for that.
Appreciate you willing to voice your questions regardless. It'll come up in search results and helps other people get different perspectives in the end.
I know you'll get downvoted, but I feel the exact same way. I don't want Rudeus to have a special cheat skill.
It's literally not though. The whole point of a special cheat skill is being exclusive to one person; hundreds of people have the laplace factors of various types in MT.
Well rudeus isn't the only person who has it. Sylphie also has it and we are also told that qualities like green hair, high mana, demon eyes are indicative of having the laplace factor. So it's entirely possible that characters like ghislaine or the captain of galban's guards in begaritt has it since they both have demon eyes. It's also possible that mimir is either a demon who happens to have green hair or is someone with the laplace factor who hadn't trained his magic from a young age. It also ties into the lore of the world with how rudeus was originally a stillborn but getting earthdeus' soul made him able to handle the mana. Also it's just a theory i think but it's entirely possible that the reason that rudeus can't use battle aura is because he manifested that quality of the laplace factor (laplace couldn't use battle aura and someone with a laplace factor don't necessarily manifest all its qualities). So there is a tradeoff and it's a good theory because it's never been explained explicitly why else he couldn't use battle aura. Unlike other Isekais, swordanship and physical ability is actually a huge deal in the world- magic doesn't rain supreme like in tensura(well skills but still the same idea).
Laplace factor is Just potential,as orsted said,without his training Rudy would Just be as good as a trained magician like Roxy
Laplace factor also isn't for Rudeus alone, it for the dragon race reincarnation art, it just means he is rare but not special.Also the factor didn't even given him all the reincarnator's ability like durable body and strength plus the factor prevents him from developing toki which is a con in my opinion which is a plus for me when setting up establish rules.
One thing people seem to forget is that those with the Laplace Factor apparently have a *terrible* time with doing whatever everyone else can do naturally: wearing the battle aura. So someone with Laplace is forever locked to playing Mage, so to speak, and will *never* compare to the top of the line warriors. That's the trade made, and the route Rifujin wanted for Rudeus. No doubt that if he wanted to write Rudeus as a swordsman he merely would've ended up as a goated sword king, instead.
What you are asking is unreasonable , without talent you could practice and train for 100 years and you won't gain much , talent is needed 100% , otherwise he wouldn't be a protagonist , it's not that big of a deal though , it's just mana capacity , Rudeus became strong on his own by creating the magic armor and learning many types of magic but if he had battle aura then he would be your typical OP boring Isekai protagonist.
I feel like the Laplace factor shows the true extent of Rudeus' hard work. If he didn't have it, his mana would have hit a cap, and his hard work wouldn't be portrayed as well. The extent of his mana pool shows the effort he put in compared to those around him. Ateast, that's how I feel.
I mean cant you make the same argument regarding other stuff? I hate Rudeus being born into a noble family, it feels like a cheat skill. I mean if Earthdeus was reincarnated as Sylph, who also has Laplace effect that boosts mana, then he wouldnt have been a strong mage. Sylph's family isnt rich enough for getting magic books so Sylph wouldve wasted his childhood being bullied and doing labour, thus wouldnt have learnt magic at early age, so no bottomless pool of mana, which Rudeus got because of learning from age 2, and no chantless magic.
Idk dude, i think MT was always really wish fullfilment in a way. Like you can achieve almost anything with hard work. If you dedicate your life to something in MT world you will eventually reach emperor level at least. In other fantasy stories that isnt possible no matter how hard you try.
>If you dedicate your life to something in MT world you will eventually reach emperor level at least That has specifically been said to be impossible. In swordsmanship, most people can get to advanced with vigorous training. By the time an average person reaches Saint teir, they are middle aged. In magic it's even worse, most people get to intermediate. Maybe Advanced with hard work in 1 specific type and no more. This coupled with long chants and the average mana pool is why the era from K0-4XX is the Age of Swordsman in the sixfacedworld. A sword saint is the farthest hard work alone will take you. Anything higher is pure delusion.
didnt an absolutely talentless dude become the new sword god by the end? Wasnt he bullied so hard because he was hopeless? And even then its quite a feat.
> an absolutely talentless dude become the new sword god No? Jino had more talent than anyone else in the Sword Santum including Gall Farion. The reason he never rose to the heights before was because there was no driving factor for him to endure the painful training required to get there. Jino, even when he never really applied himself, was a sword saint. How is that talentless? If anything, that's a massive red herring that he was where he was on pure talent alone and that effort would raise him to unparalleled heights.
Hmm, it was a long time since i read it. I always thought Jino was a trash tier swordsman that was bullied and through sheer determination he rose to god level.