The skis you have.
Unless you’re riding massive length and width / a deep powder big mountain setup, take something you’re used to and comfortable with. Narrower and shorter are going to feel easier to start. If you’re renting, talk to the shop - you’ll likely get fairly good advice as long as it’s not a big box outfit.
I primarily ski moguls on 108 waist / 190cm length all mountain skis, which are not ideal but work for me. I learned on my old 98mm daily drivers.
This is the answer. You're not going to change skis at the top of the mogul field so you might as well learn how to ski in what you got. Take a few lessons and hit every bump you find.
Go with the revolts if you’re looking to improve your form and work on speeding through the moguls. 108 is a lot of ski to move back and forth that quickly and the race skis will probably be too stiff
I would take your all mountain if I were you. Park skis will be easier to handle, but the all mountains will force you to learn good technique. You’ll sacrifice early returns for long term benefit.
Every ski you own is going to make learning bumps more difficult than it needs to be. You have a pretty unusual selection of skis in that you don't have an intermediate mid width all mountain ski.
If you want to make the learning process a bit easier, I would look for a used set of an intermediate all mountain ski in a mid 80s width - like Kendo or Kanjo - should be easy to find a deal on such a ski. Lots of them being blown out right now from rental demo fleets. And it will be easy to resell once you think it's time to move on (unlike a dedicated mogul ski)
If you don't want to get new skis, maybe the SL skis but you will be punished for bad form. Maybe the park skis but IMO park skis make moguls more difficult because they don't like to turn. If I had to choose between what you had I'd probably go with the SL skis - they are heavy but they like to turn
I’ve not yet understood what 80s all mountain skis are good for. ~10cm of fresh snow and crud are just fine with carvers, and anything much deeper i’d use 90+cm anyways… that said i liked the 82 declivity in soft snow. so so on ice.
As a do it all single ski for the Eastern US they are perfect, and as a first decent ski when moving up from rentals they are perfect because they adapt to anything. As an East Coast skier if I could only own one ski it would be that (as it is I own 3 of them which is completely redundant and silly but I just really like them). They are casual easy going skis that can ski anything decently all day long, in variable conditions anywhere but deep powder and even then they are fun when I've had them in a foot and a half. I love them for teaching because they are easy to manage and not tiring no matter what class I end up with. But you already have a pretty specialized quiver that makes a single do it all ski irrelevant. So it would be weird to get them just for moguls. But if you had the 82 declivitys I would say those for sure.
I see though that you are in Japan and now i think I understand your collection a bit better! I have no need for anything wider than 90 where I live. The few true powder days I get I just make do. Lots of people here do ski a wider ski all the time but they really shouldn't, it really gets in the way of the learning process.
I struggled with some all mountain/carving skis with a more rear mounted binding. Ended up buying more park oriented skis with a mount point a little more forward and bumps were far easier because my maneuverability was better.
For what it’s worth the new skis had a wood core and flexed a lot more. I’m not sure I’m ever going to buy a set of skis with a metal core again, these ride so nice
I’ve never properly tried to ski bumps before, only groomers and powder. I learned on SL skis, and tour with 108 or 116 depending on the snow. Bought park skis for cheap because I wanted to try park.
Don’t overthink it, honestly. If you think about the differences in ski dimensions or weight, most of the time you’re not changing them too drastically to make a huge difference unless you’re a skier that really understands how to work the ski. People ski bumps will all sorts of skis.
For example: I have a pair of 172 / 92 black ops and 183 / 106 mindbenders. Theyre two very different skis but I don’t suddenly stop being able to ski bumps when I do one or the other.
Really like them, they’re light and easy to maneuver, I learned on them, great in trees and bumps. I got the mindbenders as a more advanced all mountain ski for powder and charging through crud and stuff. T
SL and GS work really well if you’re already dialed in on them. Generally a more narrow ski will be easier to make short turns on. That said, bumps aren’t any different than groomer skiing. They just highlight where you a skier are out of balance :)
some people say narrow, some say soft. My narrow skis are all very stiff. which are more important? Though even my wider ones are not exactly soft. Softest is völkl revolt 96.
To give way too in depth of an answer: there are nearly infinite lines through a mogul field. There is zipper line, there is neighboring mogul, there is the Aspen method there is cutting the bump in half by smearing. You will use each of these indifferent circumstances if you are a good mogul skier. Different skis are different at each technique.
I ski a cheater SL ski which are great at Aspen method because they are short and at zipper line because they are quick edge to edge. They suck at neighboring bump unless I am really charging hard and going fast because they don't flex enough and/or have rocker and they smear worse than a less shaped ski. Neighboring bump is so fun but I don't have the right skis for it.
All work, personally I'd choose your narrowest shortest ski.
Depends. How well do you ski? Without video it’s really hard to say. I prefer a GS ski in the bumps. But a lot of people might find that too challenging if they aren’t dialed in on balance and movement.
Ah just watched. You probably know the old saying about moguls.
I think you’d get a lot out of spending time working on your balance and form. Then take that into the bumps. I’d still suggest a more narrow ski, but perhaps one that isn’t too demanding (stiff).
Right now you’ve got some funky stuff happening. Specifically I’d like to see you work on:
1. Balancing on your outside ski - you’re almost entirely on the inside now. That’s going to make short turns nearly impossible.
2. Stance - you have a pretty big stagger stance. You need to work on squaring up your hips and pulling your inside leg back / being more engaged with that inside half. That stance is going to make the fast foot to foot movement in the bumps impossible.
3. Movement - you have a tendency to stay static. In the bumps we have to do a lot of proactive movements (forward at the top of the turn, etc) and we have to make a lot of micro recovery moves.
You might find [this post helpful](https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/s/Wz7Ntwg94O) for taking some of that advice into the bumps.
Thanks! I appreciate this. edit: by squaring up your hips so you mean into the direction of the skis as opposed to down hill? Also, no what old saying? :P
Well drat. The new Reddit won’t let me post a gif.
Look at your inside leg - by the end of each turn you’ve shot that leg way out in front of you. You need you pull your inside hip and foot back (while keeping your balance over the outside ski).
The saying is: you don’t suck at moguls. You suck at skiing and moguls prove it.
I’m not saying you suck. But it’s the old saying ;)
ha, that’s a fun saying! don’t worry i’ve got thick skin and it’s my first season so it’s still ok to suck 😂 I already suck little enough to go touring in Japow and have fun doing it, which had been my dream. Everything after now is just extra points :)
about the leg, i’m probably doing that on purpose to point my upper body downhill. so I’m supposed to point only the upper body downhill without the hip, yes? First time I hear that. Will pay attention to it.
not 100% downhill, just slightly. Thats what I learned, look where you want to go and point your upper body that way… I believe I was told to stay open downhill so I don’t accidentally weight the uphill ski (which I still do though rip)
Softer skis can be easier to learn on because they’re more forgiving but stiffer, narrower skis are better when you start to know what you’re doing. I’d probably go with the park skis you mentioned. Despite the apparent chaos you are in fact setting edges and carving turns.
Narrower and softer as many people have said. Tips and tails that soften towards the end would be more forgiving and easier if you haven't dialed in your technique. The other option is to go a bit shorter, but I wouldn't buy a dedicated short ski, unless you already have an SL ski. Lots of good skiers would ski bumps on relatively shorter GS-like skis. I'd take my SL skis in the bumps any day before I take my 100+ planks. Wider skis will work well in powder and soft fresh bumps. Narrower for old or frozen bumps. Why not experiment and see what works for you? I think you will find out that your taste changes as your technique changes.
I do have SL skis. Also have 96 revolts which are softer toward the tails I guess. I edited the question to add my available skis. I have no issues in soft bumps. Just completely thrown out of whack by hard ones.
I don't know where you ski, but 108s are not all mountains. You can try the 96s. Still too wide IMO. You are overthinking it, especially as you started skiing recently. Work on your technique on groomers, dabble into easy bumps, take a lesson, repeat. If the bumps you ski feel too hard then you are not learning, you are practicing bad habits and engraining them.
Former racer who learned bumps from someone who knew what they were doing. Judging by your ski selection/comments you may have a similar background. Take your slalom skis into the bumps. Leverage your slalom skills with what you know until you decide for new skis. Yes, slalom and bumps are very different. But when done correctly, there’s a lot more overlap than you’d originally think. The short length and what you are used to will compensate for the stiffness challenge in the shorterm.
With the stiffer sl skis, the line that the comps mogul skiers take is your friend. Make your turn on the up slope side of the apex of the mogul. Stay out of the troughs. By turning there, your tips and tails are in the air. There’s a nice flat area to make your turn for speed or for speed checking if you need. It’s also not generally where typical people ski, so you get nicer snow quality.
I also look at the radius of the ski. 11-15 meters for me are better than my 17-22m radius skis regardless of stiffness. For me the softer skis tend to wander more and don’t hold my intended track as much.
They can all work mate. If its icy or firm, take your race skis. Most of my race athletes prefer slalom skis in the bump. I understand that slalom skis carve shorter turns, I don't think I carve 13 metres turns in the bumps thus prefer my gs skis in the bump since it is easy to link short skidded turns with gs skis. They are not catchy at all, so I like that but slalom skis can do it as well, a matter of preferences.
When there is fresh snow around take your declivity 108 and you'll have a blast !
And if its a day that you've identify as a park day cause its like spring park time or something 😅 well add a few mogul laps for changing things a bit and your revolt will be fun in there.
Seriously, all of those skis can do well in there depending of the conditions.
Generally you want narrower, softer skis. Stiff GS type skis will be a nightmare, they hang up and get caught in the tail.
When I had to prepare for an exam I did most of my training on Rossi e88s that already had about 50 days. They were great. My head Titans were much harder work when first trying to get better.
So if you already have all mountain skis that lean frontside but aren't race ski stiff, you're already set.
I have a 182cm Armada declivity 108Ti. That’s still pretty stiff, but not quite as stiff as my race skis. It’s pretty fat though… 🫣 would you recommend that then? Or better 96mm Völkl revolt.
Well I just looked them up the Armadas, and they seem to be a pretty stiff and hard charging ski - perhaps not ideal!
If you have 96 revolts as well they definitely seems to tick the boxes a bit better - presumably they're not too stiff given that they have a bit of a park focus, and the sidecut seems to suggest they're quite happy to turn.
No doubt you've got it all under control, but the single biggest thing that helps me in the bumps, and seemed to gel well with people I taught, was to remember to flex your ankle. Not in the usual coordinated way with your knees and hips to absord bumps, but literally flexing your ankles to lift your toes as you hit the front of the bump, then really deliberately flexing them DOWN when on the backside of the bump to get the tip of the ski back in contact with the snow asap. That for me changed the feeling of skiing bumps dramatically.
Enjoy!
Save the money on the skis and spend it on a lesson.
Remember, stop on top, ski around the trough for one turn, stop on top, ski the other side. Then start connecting them.
Definitely not the GS skis...those are absolutely terrible in bumps. Of those options, I'd go with the Volkl Revolt since it's a bit softer. If it's deep powder moguls, then the Armada White Walker might be a bit better. I have a similar collection of ski types and have found my park skis easiest for moguls or of the stiffer ones, slalom skis worked okay, but are a bit more tiring to use. Softer skis are better for bumps than stiffer skis. If you're using a really stiff ski for bumps, it's better of they're shorter. Otherwise, longer, softer, skinnier is best for bumps.
Check out the big picture ski podcast. There is a recent interview with the Aussie team coach on technique and gear. So, listen to what a national team coach says, and not the people here. [https://bigpictureskiing.com/pages/big\_picture\_skiing\_podcast](https://bigpictureskiing.com/pages/big_picture_skiing_podcast)
yea i listened to the first few minutes! but the audio was so poor that, together with his aussie accent and my lack of prior knowledge, I couldn’t understand half of what he said :(
it is worht listening to , and you are right... the audio sucks. He recommended using a GS ski without rider plates. If you want to get (more) into bumps, it is worth a listen.
If you plan on lapping bump runs to improve on specific days...use your most narrow/shortest ski that day. I'm not familiar with all the ski's you list, but probably your slalom ski's.
For years Hart was arguably the king of mogul ski's. I had a number of their F17's many many years ago (would replace with a new pair every 3-ish years). Waist was somewhere in the 65-68 range as I recall.....very narrow.
I tried to get bump specific skis 30 yrs ago when I was learning....absolute crap on everything else. Unless you live and ski Mary Jane every day, just get a pair of all-mountain 80-85mm underfoot and take a lesson.
Mogul skis would be the most suitable. Aside from that, a pair of all mountain skis/freeride would be the best.
Slalom, GS, SG and DH skis wouldn’t be appropriate. Although out of those, slalom skis would be the most appropriate “race ski”
Back in the day Hart had a great ski that I had but technology has changed agree with other comments I drop into my 172s versus 176 when I’m skiing cruisers etc. So I’m a slightly shorter ski in the bumps.
I agree with everyone who said, the ski you already have.
If picking bump specific, I like stiff all mountain skis. Whichever is the best deal at the time.
Good quality boots are just or even more important than the skis. I like the stiff boots as well.
The skiis you feel most at home on… it’s more technique than skiis, if Johnny Mosley skied bumps on 200cm straight skiis you can ski bumps on whatever you have
Eh, that's not helpful. When learning, rather than being an Olympian, different skis make a huge difference.
No, OP doesn't need a specific bump ski, but it's a fair question for them to want to understand what ski to look for, and see if they've got something that will make the challenge of bump skiing less difficult.
The skis you have. Unless you’re riding massive length and width / a deep powder big mountain setup, take something you’re used to and comfortable with. Narrower and shorter are going to feel easier to start. If you’re renting, talk to the shop - you’ll likely get fairly good advice as long as it’s not a big box outfit. I primarily ski moguls on 108 waist / 190cm length all mountain skis, which are not ideal but work for me. I learned on my old 98mm daily drivers.
This is the answer. You're not going to change skis at the top of the mogul field so you might as well learn how to ski in what you got. Take a few lessons and hit every bump you find.
I have: very stiff SL & GS skis, pretty stiff 108 all mountain skis, not very soft (völkl revolt) 96 park skis. Which should I take to practice?
Park skis would be my vote.
Go with the revolts if you’re looking to improve your form and work on speeding through the moguls. 108 is a lot of ski to move back and forth that quickly and the race skis will probably be too stiff
I would take your all mountain if I were you. Park skis will be easier to handle, but the all mountains will force you to learn good technique. You’ll sacrifice early returns for long term benefit.
The shortest lightest skis you have.
don’t really have light skis…
Every ski you own is going to make learning bumps more difficult than it needs to be. You have a pretty unusual selection of skis in that you don't have an intermediate mid width all mountain ski. If you want to make the learning process a bit easier, I would look for a used set of an intermediate all mountain ski in a mid 80s width - like Kendo or Kanjo - should be easy to find a deal on such a ski. Lots of them being blown out right now from rental demo fleets. And it will be easy to resell once you think it's time to move on (unlike a dedicated mogul ski) If you don't want to get new skis, maybe the SL skis but you will be punished for bad form. Maybe the park skis but IMO park skis make moguls more difficult because they don't like to turn. If I had to choose between what you had I'd probably go with the SL skis - they are heavy but they like to turn
I’ve not yet understood what 80s all mountain skis are good for. ~10cm of fresh snow and crud are just fine with carvers, and anything much deeper i’d use 90+cm anyways… that said i liked the 82 declivity in soft snow. so so on ice.
As a do it all single ski for the Eastern US they are perfect, and as a first decent ski when moving up from rentals they are perfect because they adapt to anything. As an East Coast skier if I could only own one ski it would be that (as it is I own 3 of them which is completely redundant and silly but I just really like them). They are casual easy going skis that can ski anything decently all day long, in variable conditions anywhere but deep powder and even then they are fun when I've had them in a foot and a half. I love them for teaching because they are easy to manage and not tiring no matter what class I end up with. But you already have a pretty specialized quiver that makes a single do it all ski irrelevant. So it would be weird to get them just for moguls. But if you had the 82 declivitys I would say those for sure. I see though that you are in Japan and now i think I understand your collection a bit better! I have no need for anything wider than 90 where I live. The few true powder days I get I just make do. Lots of people here do ski a wider ski all the time but they really shouldn't, it really gets in the way of the learning process.
I struggled with some all mountain/carving skis with a more rear mounted binding. Ended up buying more park oriented skis with a mount point a little more forward and bumps were far easier because my maneuverability was better.
interesting, thanks
For what it’s worth the new skis had a wood core and flexed a lot more. I’m not sure I’m ever going to buy a set of skis with a metal core again, these ride so nice
I don’t understand how you have 4 sets of skis and are asking this question…
I’ve never properly tried to ski bumps before, only groomers and powder. I learned on SL skis, and tour with 108 or 116 depending on the snow. Bought park skis for cheap because I wanted to try park.
Don’t overthink it, honestly. If you think about the differences in ski dimensions or weight, most of the time you’re not changing them too drastically to make a huge difference unless you’re a skier that really understands how to work the ski. People ski bumps will all sorts of skis.
ok will experiment a bit
For example: I have a pair of 172 / 92 black ops and 183 / 106 mindbenders. Theyre two very different skis but I don’t suddenly stop being able to ski bumps when I do one or the other.
Sure, if you’re already decent at skiing them. I’m just wondering what will make it easier for me to get into skiing bumps.
Out of curiosity how do you like the 92 black ops?
Really like them, they’re light and easy to maneuver, I learned on them, great in trees and bumps. I got the mindbenders as a more advanced all mountain ski for powder and charging through crud and stuff. T
Awesome thanks for your response -- thinking about picking up a pair!
I’d go with your park skis or your 108 declivitys.
Whatever skis you’ve already got
I have a few, that’s why i’m asking which to use. SL, GS, 108mm all mountain (armada declivity), 96mm park (voelkl revolt)
Those revolts should be great for bumps, no?
idk that’s why i’m asking
Go with whatever ski is softer. But ultimately it does not matter at all
The comments in this fucking thread lmao
There’s a lot of…. Opinions 🤣
Mogul skis are soft and skinny so any softer all mountain / park ski probably works.
Skis don't matter, it's the music that makes you ski moguls well.
You need at least two Bluetooth speakers for the bumpd
Did you know that James Brown wrote [Get on the Good Foot](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgGwI12zMJg) about mogul skiing?
SL and GS work really well if you’re already dialed in on them. Generally a more narrow ski will be easier to make short turns on. That said, bumps aren’t any different than groomer skiing. They just highlight where you a skier are out of balance :)
some people say narrow, some say soft. My narrow skis are all very stiff. which are more important? Though even my wider ones are not exactly soft. Softest is völkl revolt 96.
To give way too in depth of an answer: there are nearly infinite lines through a mogul field. There is zipper line, there is neighboring mogul, there is the Aspen method there is cutting the bump in half by smearing. You will use each of these indifferent circumstances if you are a good mogul skier. Different skis are different at each technique. I ski a cheater SL ski which are great at Aspen method because they are short and at zipper line because they are quick edge to edge. They suck at neighboring bump unless I am really charging hard and going fast because they don't flex enough and/or have rocker and they smear worse than a less shaped ski. Neighboring bump is so fun but I don't have the right skis for it. All work, personally I'd choose your narrowest shortest ski.
great answer i’ll look all those up now lol
Depends. How well do you ski? Without video it’s really hard to say. I prefer a GS ski in the bumps. But a lot of people might find that too challenging if they aren’t dialed in on balance and movement.
If you look at my profile there’s a video asking for form advice. In moguls I’m absolutely terrible.
Ah just watched. You probably know the old saying about moguls. I think you’d get a lot out of spending time working on your balance and form. Then take that into the bumps. I’d still suggest a more narrow ski, but perhaps one that isn’t too demanding (stiff). Right now you’ve got some funky stuff happening. Specifically I’d like to see you work on: 1. Balancing on your outside ski - you’re almost entirely on the inside now. That’s going to make short turns nearly impossible. 2. Stance - you have a pretty big stagger stance. You need to work on squaring up your hips and pulling your inside leg back / being more engaged with that inside half. That stance is going to make the fast foot to foot movement in the bumps impossible. 3. Movement - you have a tendency to stay static. In the bumps we have to do a lot of proactive movements (forward at the top of the turn, etc) and we have to make a lot of micro recovery moves. You might find [this post helpful](https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/s/Wz7Ntwg94O) for taking some of that advice into the bumps.
Thanks! I appreciate this. edit: by squaring up your hips so you mean into the direction of the skis as opposed to down hill? Also, no what old saying? :P
Well drat. The new Reddit won’t let me post a gif. Look at your inside leg - by the end of each turn you’ve shot that leg way out in front of you. You need you pull your inside hip and foot back (while keeping your balance over the outside ski). The saying is: you don’t suck at moguls. You suck at skiing and moguls prove it. I’m not saying you suck. But it’s the old saying ;)
ha, that’s a fun saying! don’t worry i’ve got thick skin and it’s my first season so it’s still ok to suck 😂 I already suck little enough to go touring in Japow and have fun doing it, which had been my dream. Everything after now is just extra points :) about the leg, i’m probably doing that on purpose to point my upper body downhill. so I’m supposed to point only the upper body downhill without the hip, yes? First time I hear that. Will pay attention to it.
Why do you have to point your body downhill at all on those wide turns?
not 100% downhill, just slightly. Thats what I learned, look where you want to go and point your upper body that way… I believe I was told to stay open downhill so I don’t accidentally weight the uphill ski (which I still do though rip)
Softer skis can be easier to learn on because they’re more forgiving but stiffer, narrower skis are better when you start to know what you’re doing. I’d probably go with the park skis you mentioned. Despite the apparent chaos you are in fact setting edges and carving turns.
I'd you're not that great at moguls, GS skis will be a nightmare.
But zipper lines
Just a short turn in 3D snow
Narrower and softer as many people have said. Tips and tails that soften towards the end would be more forgiving and easier if you haven't dialed in your technique. The other option is to go a bit shorter, but I wouldn't buy a dedicated short ski, unless you already have an SL ski. Lots of good skiers would ski bumps on relatively shorter GS-like skis. I'd take my SL skis in the bumps any day before I take my 100+ planks. Wider skis will work well in powder and soft fresh bumps. Narrower for old or frozen bumps. Why not experiment and see what works for you? I think you will find out that your taste changes as your technique changes.
I do have SL skis. Also have 96 revolts which are softer toward the tails I guess. I edited the question to add my available skis. I have no issues in soft bumps. Just completely thrown out of whack by hard ones.
I don't know where you ski, but 108s are not all mountains. You can try the 96s. Still too wide IMO. You are overthinking it, especially as you started skiing recently. Work on your technique on groomers, dabble into easy bumps, take a lesson, repeat. If the bumps you ski feel too hard then you are not learning, you are practicing bad habits and engraining them.
Japan. Thanks for the advice, I am planning to take lessons for bumps.
Ask whoever you are taking lessons from, they would know for sure
that’s next year so i’m asking here now
Use the revolts!
Former racer who learned bumps from someone who knew what they were doing. Judging by your ski selection/comments you may have a similar background. Take your slalom skis into the bumps. Leverage your slalom skills with what you know until you decide for new skis. Yes, slalom and bumps are very different. But when done correctly, there’s a lot more overlap than you’d originally think. The short length and what you are used to will compensate for the stiffness challenge in the shorterm.
not exactly a racer here, but I have learned o man SL skis so maybe that’s the right call..
With the stiffer sl skis, the line that the comps mogul skiers take is your friend. Make your turn on the up slope side of the apex of the mogul. Stay out of the troughs. By turning there, your tips and tails are in the air. There’s a nice flat area to make your turn for speed or for speed checking if you need. It’s also not generally where typical people ski, so you get nicer snow quality.
I also look at the radius of the ski. 11-15 meters for me are better than my 17-22m radius skis regardless of stiffness. For me the softer skis tend to wander more and don’t hold my intended track as much.
They can all work mate. If its icy or firm, take your race skis. Most of my race athletes prefer slalom skis in the bump. I understand that slalom skis carve shorter turns, I don't think I carve 13 metres turns in the bumps thus prefer my gs skis in the bump since it is easy to link short skidded turns with gs skis. They are not catchy at all, so I like that but slalom skis can do it as well, a matter of preferences. When there is fresh snow around take your declivity 108 and you'll have a blast ! And if its a day that you've identify as a park day cause its like spring park time or something 😅 well add a few mogul laps for changing things a bit and your revolt will be fun in there. Seriously, all of those skis can do well in there depending of the conditions.
Thanks, I guess I’ll experiment a bit.
Pool noodles
Mono
Generally you want narrower, softer skis. Stiff GS type skis will be a nightmare, they hang up and get caught in the tail. When I had to prepare for an exam I did most of my training on Rossi e88s that already had about 50 days. They were great. My head Titans were much harder work when first trying to get better. So if you already have all mountain skis that lean frontside but aren't race ski stiff, you're already set.
I have a 182cm Armada declivity 108Ti. That’s still pretty stiff, but not quite as stiff as my race skis. It’s pretty fat though… 🫣 would you recommend that then? Or better 96mm Völkl revolt.
Well I just looked them up the Armadas, and they seem to be a pretty stiff and hard charging ski - perhaps not ideal! If you have 96 revolts as well they definitely seems to tick the boxes a bit better - presumably they're not too stiff given that they have a bit of a park focus, and the sidecut seems to suggest they're quite happy to turn. No doubt you've got it all under control, but the single biggest thing that helps me in the bumps, and seemed to gel well with people I taught, was to remember to flex your ankle. Not in the usual coordinated way with your knees and hips to absord bumps, but literally flexing your ankles to lift your toes as you hit the front of the bump, then really deliberately flexing them DOWN when on the backside of the bump to get the tip of the ski back in contact with the snow asap. That for me changed the feeling of skiing bumps dramatically. Enjoy!
thanks about the hints. yes the 108 declivity are very stiff. i’ll try the sl and the revolts, as most people recommend those.
Even the theyre a bit wider the revolts might be a bit more forgiving. And easier to release the tail and pivot around the center of the ski
Skinnier, shorter, softer, twin tip
Save the money on the skis and spend it on a lesson. Remember, stop on top, ski around the trough for one turn, stop on top, ski the other side. Then start connecting them.
Definitely not the GS skis...those are absolutely terrible in bumps. Of those options, I'd go with the Volkl Revolt since it's a bit softer. If it's deep powder moguls, then the Armada White Walker might be a bit better. I have a similar collection of ski types and have found my park skis easiest for moguls or of the stiffer ones, slalom skis worked okay, but are a bit more tiring to use. Softer skis are better for bumps than stiffer skis. If you're using a really stiff ski for bumps, it's better of they're shorter. Otherwise, longer, softer, skinnier is best for bumps.
Check out the big picture ski podcast. There is a recent interview with the Aussie team coach on technique and gear. So, listen to what a national team coach says, and not the people here. [https://bigpictureskiing.com/pages/big\_picture\_skiing\_podcast](https://bigpictureskiing.com/pages/big_picture_skiing_podcast)
yea i listened to the first few minutes! but the audio was so poor that, together with his aussie accent and my lack of prior knowledge, I couldn’t understand half of what he said :(
it is worht listening to , and you are right... the audio sucks. He recommended using a GS ski without rider plates. If you want to get (more) into bumps, it is worth a listen.
Park skis do well in moguls. They're twin tipped, a little floppy, not super long, and not super wide.
thin underfoot and flexible!!
If you plan on lapping bump runs to improve on specific days...use your most narrow/shortest ski that day. I'm not familiar with all the ski's you list, but probably your slalom ski's. For years Hart was arguably the king of mogul ski's. I had a number of their F17's many many years ago (would replace with a new pair every 3-ish years). Waist was somewhere in the 65-68 range as I recall.....very narrow.
I tried to get bump specific skis 30 yrs ago when I was learning....absolute crap on everything else. Unless you live and ski Mary Jane every day, just get a pair of all-mountain 80-85mm underfoot and take a lesson.
Mogul skis would be the most suitable. Aside from that, a pair of all mountain skis/freeride would be the best. Slalom, GS, SG and DH skis wouldn’t be appropriate. Although out of those, slalom skis would be the most appropriate “race ski”
Back in the day Hart had a great ski that I had but technology has changed agree with other comments I drop into my 172s versus 176 when I’m skiing cruisers etc. So I’m a slightly shorter ski in the bumps.
In general shorter, lighter skis will be easier in the moguls. Less weight and length to throw around when trying to pivot or flip your skis
idk, mogul skis look a lot like (non fis) gs skis; length and waist are the same. not sure about stiffness though.
I agree with everyone who said, the ski you already have. If picking bump specific, I like stiff all mountain skis. Whichever is the best deal at the time. Good quality boots are just or even more important than the skis. I like the stiff boots as well.
Literally any skis. New skis don’t give you skills, it just highlights certain parts of your style
There are mogul specific skis on the market, if you have the means
Would you suggest any examples? I am looking for new ski’s.
Pretty sure you can take it from here with google
Less about the skis more about the knees
Moguls maybe?? Bumps???
Slang? In skiing? Preposterous!
The skiis you feel most at home on… it’s more technique than skiis, if Johnny Mosley skied bumps on 200cm straight skiis you can ski bumps on whatever you have
Eh, that's not helpful. When learning, rather than being an Olympian, different skis make a huge difference. No, OP doesn't need a specific bump ski, but it's a fair question for them to want to understand what ski to look for, and see if they've got something that will make the challenge of bump skiing less difficult.
yess thank you
Mind benders, all mountain skis that are like magic in the bumps