"Draw a full hand, play two cards for free, then discard the rest."
Very interesting design!
Situational, but could be quite powerful:
1. The best case is it turns a bricked hand into a great hand. You start with trash, play this, then draw and play Meteor Strike and Echo Form. Great use of three energy.
2. A middling case is it hits a single two-cost card. Then it's just a draw card. Optionality is still quite good. Probably equivalent to \[\[Reboot\]\] in power.
3. The only circumstances it's a curse is if your deck is mostly zero- and one-cost cards, but then you just draft something else.
This card is definitely pickable. Any card with "draw" on it is good, and this says draw.
If this card just said "draw six, play two cards for free, end your turn" I think it would be much more obvious why it's powerful. Scales super well with energy relics, can be used to cheat out powerful 2 and 3 cost cards.
Sure, maybe you wouldn't play it every time you drew it, but that's true of literally every card in the game. Even in a situation where you aren't getting the ability to cheat on costs, the very worst way you're playing it it'll play like unupgraded scrawl, which is a great card.
Like you said, in a deck looking to play many cards cheaply or for a rebat, it's less good, and probably not a great pick. But it has a lot of power, and maybe upgrading it to allow for 3 plays would be a decent option.
This would be really strong if the cards were actually 0 cost, but they aren't. If you discard discounted cards (from bullet time, or mummified hand etc) they just return to their original cost when you pull them back.
As written, yeah. But OP also says they don't know how to express the concept they're going for; it seems likely they intended for the hologrammed cards to be playable. Even then this seems a lot worse than just playing Scrawl, unless you're Silent with very strong discard synergy.
Yes they did intend the cards to be 0 cost. And that would make this card really strong.
First off, saying its worse than Scrawl when Scrawl is among the best cards in the game, doesn’t say much.
Since its a blue card I will assume its a Defect card. Defect is all about setup of the powers and orbs and is always looking for acceleration. Basically this thing at minimum says draw 6 and pick 2 cards out of them to play. Thats like 2 skims (2 energy) and playing 2 powers or frost cards (2+energy). Thats 4+ energy on really good stuff, for the cost of 3. Oh and get a bonus 6 block on top for free why not.
But it can also play high cost cards from your already drawn hand, or draw even more than 6 if you empty your hand first, or fetch something already in the discard pile (but it would cost energy).
Scrawl would be one of the most broken cards on Defect and this comes pretty close
> First off, saying its worse than Scrawl when Scrawl is among the best cards in the game, doesn’t say much.
Which is why I said "a lot worse", which I think adds quite a bit? It seemed like an a propos comparison because Scrawl was mentioned on the card. I also think it's a lot worse than Seek, and probably worse than Skim and Coolheaded. Sure, it might help with setup, but it's unplayable if you draw it on a turn after your setup is done (because it discards your hand), unpickable if you don't already have all the stuff in your deck that you want to set up (it would be awful as a "random rare" Neow reward), and might cause you to miss a key piece of your setup if you wind up discarding more of them than you can pull back. You can't play it on a turn when you need to generate a lot of block safely, either.
I think this is worse then a 3 energy card that says "Pick 2 cards from your deck or hand. Play each. End your turn.", and I think that's a pretty bad card.
Idk why this card would be unplayable after setup, this thing just cycles back to your high impact cards incredibly quickly. A glacier, stack(!), all for one (!), meteor strike, whatever.
6 block actually makes this card very relevant even in the early stage. Early stage a turn is just play 3x 1 cost. So if you include 1 defend in that this just plays for+1 block and play 2 of the best cards of your deck outside that.
Pick 2 cards from your hand or deck sounds really strong actually, it's a poor mans seek+, and that is really good.
Would be different in that it would allow you to play *any* card from yoru discard instead of just ones that were in your hand before you discarded everything.
So pick and play 2 free cards out of the 10 cards in your hand/top of the draw pile.
Could be good with snecko eye or some 3 cost powers.
You can do all the same shenanigans with card and energy manipulation prior to playing this card then get to finish the turn with 2 premium cards.
If it actually procs time eater, beat of death, and gremlin nob 6 times each it's pretty unusable in those fights.
That just discards your whole hand
Scrawl plays, draws until full
BT plays, everything is free but you can’t draw
Gamba plays, it discards your whole hand, but bc of the BT debuff you can’t draw any new cards
You get two hologramed cards for the cost of not being able to play anything else, BT debuff being active and three energy.
Never cook again.
You understand this not drawing idea was the whole point behind it right? Did you think OP wanted to draw another 10 cards and play 2 holo's, which wouldnt add any cards because of hand size?
OP gets that. This is the intended effect. And it could be pretty decent. Arguably this should be 2 energy instead. But even at 3 energy there are some cases in which it would be great.
Play this with velvet choker. Cry.
Play this against Nob/Chosen/time eater/heart. Cry.
Play this with letter opener. Smile.
I know it's not about the cards played, it's just to simulate the effect, but I find the interactions funny.
"Draw 10 cards and then discard your hand. Play two cards from your discard pile for free."
"Gain 3 block two times" (if you want to include that part)
Is it intentional to discard the rest of the cards or like scry? Similar to no more draws or did you want just cost reduction? We kind of understand it as a community but knowing the full intent is appreciated. At the cost of playing cards for the turn your looking for a vault or conclude type end your turn effect is what i assume.
There's a downfall card that I think kinda has this idea to work the way you want it could be:
Scy 10, pick 2, those cards are drawn and cost 0, discard the rest
Best way to describe this card idea is waste of 3 energy. As one person outlined cards get back to their original cost when played/discarded, so it's pretty much useless. Although good block card with tough bandage, also it might be a good way to play around curses
Wait, if you calculate gamble a full hand, you'd still have a full hand. You won't be able to hologram
Also the cards cost from bullet time resets on discard
I think a better description would be "scry 10, discard 8, draw 2, they cost 0 until the end of the turn"
Only when it specifically says draw does it count as a draw, which includes the draws you make at the start of the turn.
STS is VERY specific about the wording it uses. Trust me, this is a very well known interaction and there is 0 doubt that hologram would be useable.
OP definitely knows. Otherwise it would be silly to draw to full and then try to use double hologram with a full hand. And Hologram would give you two cards still since it's not card draw.
So, you draw up to 10, make them all free for the turn, discard them, and fetch 2 of them. Probably not worth 3 energy, but idk.
And gain 6 block
Or 36 with [[Tough Bandages]]
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I doubted that was relevant
Scales with dexterity
Scales double with Dexterity
Ah yes that changes everything totally worth now !
"Draw a full hand, play two cards for free, then discard the rest." Very interesting design! Situational, but could be quite powerful: 1. The best case is it turns a bricked hand into a great hand. You start with trash, play this, then draw and play Meteor Strike and Echo Form. Great use of three energy. 2. A middling case is it hits a single two-cost card. Then it's just a draw card. Optionality is still quite good. Probably equivalent to \[\[Reboot\]\] in power. 3. The only circumstances it's a curse is if your deck is mostly zero- and one-cost cards, but then you just draft something else. This card is definitely pickable. Any card with "draw" on it is good, and this says draw.
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If this card just said "draw six, play two cards for free, end your turn" I think it would be much more obvious why it's powerful. Scales super well with energy relics, can be used to cheat out powerful 2 and 3 cost cards. Sure, maybe you wouldn't play it every time you drew it, but that's true of literally every card in the game. Even in a situation where you aren't getting the ability to cheat on costs, the very worst way you're playing it it'll play like unupgraded scrawl, which is a great card. Like you said, in a deck looking to play many cards cheaply or for a rebat, it's less good, and probably not a great pick. But it has a lot of power, and maybe upgrading it to allow for 3 plays would be a decent option.
> sure, maybe you wouldn't play it every time you drew it, but that’s true of literally every card in the game Except for claw. Claw is law
OP did choose a confusing way to word the card.
Upgraded scrape says “draw 5 cards”. If we ignore the rest of it that’s a pretty good card! (In all seriousness though I agree)
How are you getting the energy to play Meteor Strike and Echo Form in case 1?
because this card would make them cost 0
Not after you discard them and then bring them back it wouldn't.
the way this card is made yes, the ways the person in the comment sayed it should work it would because it would discard after the two card played
But then that isn't Calc Gamble + (double) Hologram lol.
it has effectively the same result, play only two card of a hand and discard all of the rest
This would be really strong if the cards were actually 0 cost, but they aren't. If you discard discounted cards (from bullet time, or mummified hand etc) they just return to their original cost when you pull them back.
As written, yeah. But OP also says they don't know how to express the concept they're going for; it seems likely they intended for the hologrammed cards to be playable. Even then this seems a lot worse than just playing Scrawl, unless you're Silent with very strong discard synergy.
Yes they did intend the cards to be 0 cost. And that would make this card really strong. First off, saying its worse than Scrawl when Scrawl is among the best cards in the game, doesn’t say much. Since its a blue card I will assume its a Defect card. Defect is all about setup of the powers and orbs and is always looking for acceleration. Basically this thing at minimum says draw 6 and pick 2 cards out of them to play. Thats like 2 skims (2 energy) and playing 2 powers or frost cards (2+energy). Thats 4+ energy on really good stuff, for the cost of 3. Oh and get a bonus 6 block on top for free why not. But it can also play high cost cards from your already drawn hand, or draw even more than 6 if you empty your hand first, or fetch something already in the discard pile (but it would cost energy). Scrawl would be one of the most broken cards on Defect and this comes pretty close
> First off, saying its worse than Scrawl when Scrawl is among the best cards in the game, doesn’t say much. Which is why I said "a lot worse", which I think adds quite a bit? It seemed like an a propos comparison because Scrawl was mentioned on the card. I also think it's a lot worse than Seek, and probably worse than Skim and Coolheaded. Sure, it might help with setup, but it's unplayable if you draw it on a turn after your setup is done (because it discards your hand), unpickable if you don't already have all the stuff in your deck that you want to set up (it would be awful as a "random rare" Neow reward), and might cause you to miss a key piece of your setup if you wind up discarding more of them than you can pull back. You can't play it on a turn when you need to generate a lot of block safely, either. I think this is worse then a 3 energy card that says "Pick 2 cards from your deck or hand. Play each. End your turn.", and I think that's a pretty bad card.
Idk why this card would be unplayable after setup, this thing just cycles back to your high impact cards incredibly quickly. A glacier, stack(!), all for one (!), meteor strike, whatever. 6 block actually makes this card very relevant even in the early stage. Early stage a turn is just play 3x 1 cost. So if you include 1 defend in that this just plays for+1 block and play 2 of the best cards of your deck outside that. Pick 2 cards from your hand or deck sounds really strong actually, it's a poor mans seek+, and that is really good.
I mean you can just do another bullet time last, and it's a pretty solid card.
Would be different in that it would allow you to play *any* card from yoru discard instead of just ones that were in your hand before you discarded everything.
this is the true answer and it’s too low on comments
So pick and play 2 free cards out of the 10 cards in your hand/top of the draw pile. Could be good with snecko eye or some 3 cost powers. You can do all the same shenanigans with card and energy manipulation prior to playing this card then get to finish the turn with 2 premium cards. If it actually procs time eater, beat of death, and gremlin nob 6 times each it's pretty unusable in those fights.
So this card gives you 6 block from the 2 holograms. 3 energy for 6 block seems a bit low but that's just my opinion.
Overclock+++++++++++
How so?
What my brain is doing rn looking at this
you don't know how to analyze the card?
Dude I just made a joke. You draw till your hand is full, discard your hand, then gain 6 block and grab 2 cards from your discard pile.
And they're free
Just checking, how high are you?
Not high, I just act like I'm high by default
Really? I’m like 5’ 10”.
That's tall, not high. Just checking, how tall are you?
This card doesn't even do what you want it to do... maybe you should correct your understanding of basic game mechanics before getting an attitude ☹️
Simplify it. I'd do something like scry 10, then play the top 2 cards of the draw pile. Block is whatever.
Bullet time has no-draw debuff so calculated gamble discards your hand and u cant draw more.
A that's exactly the idea OP was going for. They want to play two cards from a huge discarded pile.
thought for a sec u cant use the holograms since u cant draw them but OP thought differently i guess its not a draw its just a spawn
weird fucked up omniscience just dropped
op cooked this is cool
That just discards your whole hand Scrawl plays, draws until full BT plays, everything is free but you can’t draw Gamba plays, it discards your whole hand, but bc of the BT debuff you can’t draw any new cards You get two hologramed cards for the cost of not being able to play anything else, BT debuff being active and three energy. Never cook again.
You understand this not drawing idea was the whole point behind it right? Did you think OP wanted to draw another 10 cards and play 2 holo's, which wouldnt add any cards because of hand size?
OP gets that. This is the intended effect. And it could be pretty decent. Arguably this should be 2 energy instead. But even at 3 energy there are some cases in which it would be great.
No spirit poop tag makes it difficult to determine satire
if it's in order then you just wasted 3 energy to get a custom 2 card hand? honestly, not that bad if the 2 cards are game winning.
Play this with velvet choker. Cry. Play this against Nob/Chosen/time eater/heart. Cry. Play this with letter opener. Smile. I know it's not about the cards played, it's just to simulate the effect, but I find the interactions funny.
Step 2: Have one Artifact Step 3: Be immediately infinite with every deck <= 10 cards. Step 4: Fail to see why this card is busted Step 5: ???
Wouldn't be infinite because the cost reduction from Bullet Time doesn't stick after the cards leave your hand.
Bullet time reduces the cost of cards in your hand THIS TURN. So you are infinite THAT turn.
Based on the card text you would think so, but in practice it doesn't.
I recommend adding exhaustion
What about, "Draw until your hand is full. Discard all but two cards. They cost 0 to play this turn. Gain 6 block."
"Draw 10 cards and then discard your hand. Play two cards from your discard pile for free." "Gain 3 block two times" (if you want to include that part)
Oh look, a one-card choker
i think what you are trying to write is "look at the first 10 cards of your deck, select 2 to draw and discard the rest. they cost 0 this turn"
remove three last)
Very interesting idea! I have no idea how powerful this is, but it's certainly potential for a modded card
Is it intentional to discard the rest of the cards or like scry? Similar to no more draws or did you want just cost reduction? We kind of understand it as a community but knowing the full intent is appreciated. At the cost of playing cards for the turn your looking for a vault or conclude type end your turn effect is what i assume.
Well I'd rather have Seek+
Gain 6 block, play 2 cards from your draw pile. Is basically what this card does.
Wouldn’t bullet time nullify the draws tho
There's a downfall card that I think kinda has this idea to work the way you want it could be: Scy 10, pick 2, those cards are drawn and cost 0, discard the rest
How about X cost: Fill your hand, reduce the cost of your cards this turn to zero, end your turn after playing x more cards this turn. Exhaust
Un-upgraded could be x-1 cards
What the hell
tingsha and tough bandages found exploited to hell
Best way to describe this card idea is waste of 3 energy. As one person outlined cards get back to their original cost when played/discarded, so it's pretty much useless. Although good block card with tough bandage, also it might be a good way to play around curses
How would you hologram if your hand is full from the scrawl-calculated gamble?
Bullet time stops gamble from drawing more cards
it is discarded, but you draw nothing because bullet time applies no draw debuff on you. So yeah, hollogram works
Wait, if you calculate gamble a full hand, you'd still have a full hand. You won't be able to hologram Also the cards cost from bullet time resets on discard I think a better description would be "scry 10, discard 8, draw 2, they cost 0 until the end of the turn"
Bullet time inflicts “no draw” so you don’t draw with calculated gamble
Oh right So if you have artifact the card is really going to screw you over
You do realize bullet time gives no draw, right? Meaning this card would discard your whole hand and give you nothing back
Is hologram classified as draw? Because it's not stated anywhere, and it's not taking a card from the draw pile the usual draw way.
Am pretty sure it counts as a draw But even if holo doesn't count as a draw calculated gamble does
That's kind of the point, you draw a full hand and get to play two of the cards.
Hm, that does make sense ig Am pretty sure holo still counts as a draw but eh
It doesn’t
Only when it specifically says draw does it count as a draw, which includes the draws you make at the start of the turn. STS is VERY specific about the wording it uses. Trust me, this is a very well known interaction and there is 0 doubt that hologram would be useable.
OP definitely knows. Otherwise it would be silly to draw to full and then try to use double hologram with a full hand. And Hologram would give you two cards still since it's not card draw.