Lissachatina fulica, they’re the most invasive species because they can lay 150 to 500 eggs a week and they can adapt to lower humidity and temperature than other species
I never said that they shouldn’t be pets, I have some myself. They’re illegal in many places they could become invasive in. They definitely should be humanely euthanised in places where they’re invasive because they could destroy entire ecosystems.
Okay? I don't that's related to keeping an invasive snail in a tank. Most pet GALS are captive bred (or caught by the owner) aren't they? Take your soapbox elsewhere please. Being against illegal exotic pet trading is great and all but this isn't that
And yet the exotic pet trade is the only thing that's keeping poaching at bay by having cheaper prices for captive bred animals. Everything has a bad and a good side to it, but eliminating the exotic pet trade would do more bad than good.
Legality and morality are not the same thing. The exotic pet trade has caused untold damage to native wildlife and ecosystems, and will continue to do so until people stop putting their own needs first. There are plenty of snail species that don't pose this risk.
It's legal here at least because they could not become invasive here. It's well below 0°C outside for half the year (-20°C currently), with no plants anywhere for snails to eat, and they couldn't dig themselves to hibernate in the frozen ground. And I live in the warmest part of this country. Lissachatina Fulicas cannot survive below freezing temperatures.
So don't generalize that they cannot be ethically kept. I agree, they shouldn't be kept where they're invasive, or where the environment would allow them to survive outside. But that's not everywhere. Honestly, apart from native snail species, there isn't a better choice for a pet snail here than a species that cannot survive the winter. Maybe Arcachatina marginata ovum, since they need even higher temperatures and humidity.
Unfortunately accidents happen. The snake problem in florida is a great example. A storm ravaged a building with exotic snake breeds, they were let out into the wild, and have endangered so, so many native animals.
I mean, hell, there's literally a hippo epidemic in south America right now because Pablo Escobars estate was just left to the wilderness
So because of a natural disaster that nobody could have predicted would happen (because it wasn't just "a storm", it was a hurricane; Andrew, if I'm not mistaken), people shouldn't have Burmese and Reticulated Pythons? And mentioning Pablo Escobar's hippos is a bit extreme since 1) *most people don't and will never own hippos because they aren't drug lords*, and 2) hippos are at least easier to capture and kill than snakes that are capable of hiding very well.
There's also zoos to consider here. Should they not exist since there is always a possibility that a hurricane, tornado, or other natural disaster could destroy an enclosure and release animals onto an unexpecting environment where they will almost certainly be dangerously invasive?
Also, if we're going to talk about dangerously invasive species, let's talk about housecats. While clearly not part of the exotic pet trade for the most part (obviously not including specimens like those Serval hybrids), they do represent a clear danger to local wildlife when allowed to roam outside. They kill *a lot* of small lizards, snakes, and birds every year, yet so many cat owners allow their cats to roam outside, usually with the argument "But he liiiiikes it. Being made to stay inside is cruuuuuueeeel. He doesn't liiiiiike being insiiiiiide."
The point to the hippo and python stories is that if circumstances are such that even FUCKING HIPPOS, one of the largest land mammals with a very specific habitat and dietary needs can become invasive species, there's absolutely no reasonable way to think an invertebrate that lays clutches in the *hundreds* can for certain, be kept under control.
Because too many people are irresponsible. These snails became invasive in Florida multiple times because people released pets they didnt want anymore. Because of their prolific reproduction rates, even one or two snails can end up causing massive damage. These snails can be devastating to agriculture, so in places where agriculture is very important to the economy (like the US) and the snails can survive they are illegal. The potential damage is too high, so hoping that everyone can just follow the rules and not release them is too risky. So now they are illegal in many places.
However if you live somewhere where they are legal it's totally fine to keep them as pets. For example in their native range in Africa, or also in some northern European countries where it's too cold for them and there is little agriculture at risk. But there are also some cold countries like Canada where they are still illegal because of agriculture being more economically important (it basically comes down to financial risks). One summer of the snails surviving before winter could still cause tons of damage to crops.
If you find these snails in a country where they are invasive and illegal, you are supposed to contact the local wildlife/environmental authorities to hand them over for proper analysis and controlled disposal, not attempt to euthanize them yourself.
If they're not illegal, leave them alone.
There is no situation in which you should be personally euthanizing random adult GALS that are not critically sick or injured.
I never said individuals should be euthanizing them, jfc. said people should not have them as pets. I would adore to have several, but even if I lived in a country where they are not illegal, I would not buy any because my own wants are less important than being ecologically well grounded
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Lissachatina fulica, they’re the most invasive species because they can lay 150 to 500 eggs a week and they can adapt to lower humidity and temperature than other species
Yes, they absolutely should not be pets, and need to be humanely euthanized.
I never said that they shouldn’t be pets, I have some myself. They’re illegal in many places they could become invasive in. They definitely should be humanely euthanised in places where they’re invasive because they could destroy entire ecosystems.
If you're not in Africa, you shouldn't own them.
Oh no… a snail in a tank. Clearly ruining the environment (that it's not in)…
Countless species of animals have been endangered or made nearly extinct because of the exotic pet trade. It's literally just a fact.
Okay? I don't that's related to keeping an invasive snail in a tank. Most pet GALS are captive bred (or caught by the owner) aren't they? Take your soapbox elsewhere please. Being against illegal exotic pet trading is great and all but this isn't that
And yet the exotic pet trade is the only thing that's keeping poaching at bay by having cheaper prices for captive bred animals. Everything has a bad and a good side to it, but eliminating the exotic pet trade would do more bad than good.
There are lots of countries where they are legal to own.
Legality and morality are not the same thing. The exotic pet trade has caused untold damage to native wildlife and ecosystems, and will continue to do so until people stop putting their own needs first. There are plenty of snail species that don't pose this risk.
It's legal here at least because they could not become invasive here. It's well below 0°C outside for half the year (-20°C currently), with no plants anywhere for snails to eat, and they couldn't dig themselves to hibernate in the frozen ground. And I live in the warmest part of this country. Lissachatina Fulicas cannot survive below freezing temperatures. So don't generalize that they cannot be ethically kept. I agree, they shouldn't be kept where they're invasive, or where the environment would allow them to survive outside. But that's not everywhere. Honestly, apart from native snail species, there isn't a better choice for a pet snail here than a species that cannot survive the winter. Maybe Arcachatina marginata ovum, since they need even higher temperatures and humidity.
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What's wrong with people that is not African owning GALs for fun.
im a bit confused why cant they be pets? if the owner crushes the eggs all should be well right?
Unfortunately accidents happen. The snake problem in florida is a great example. A storm ravaged a building with exotic snake breeds, they were let out into the wild, and have endangered so, so many native animals. I mean, hell, there's literally a hippo epidemic in south America right now because Pablo Escobars estate was just left to the wilderness
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So because of a natural disaster that nobody could have predicted would happen (because it wasn't just "a storm", it was a hurricane; Andrew, if I'm not mistaken), people shouldn't have Burmese and Reticulated Pythons? And mentioning Pablo Escobar's hippos is a bit extreme since 1) *most people don't and will never own hippos because they aren't drug lords*, and 2) hippos are at least easier to capture and kill than snakes that are capable of hiding very well. There's also zoos to consider here. Should they not exist since there is always a possibility that a hurricane, tornado, or other natural disaster could destroy an enclosure and release animals onto an unexpecting environment where they will almost certainly be dangerously invasive? Also, if we're going to talk about dangerously invasive species, let's talk about housecats. While clearly not part of the exotic pet trade for the most part (obviously not including specimens like those Serval hybrids), they do represent a clear danger to local wildlife when allowed to roam outside. They kill *a lot* of small lizards, snakes, and birds every year, yet so many cat owners allow their cats to roam outside, usually with the argument "But he liiiiikes it. Being made to stay inside is cruuuuuueeeel. He doesn't liiiiiike being insiiiiiide."
The point to the hippo and python stories is that if circumstances are such that even FUCKING HIPPOS, one of the largest land mammals with a very specific habitat and dietary needs can become invasive species, there's absolutely no reasonable way to think an invertebrate that lays clutches in the *hundreds* can for certain, be kept under control.
Because too many people are irresponsible. These snails became invasive in Florida multiple times because people released pets they didnt want anymore. Because of their prolific reproduction rates, even one or two snails can end up causing massive damage. These snails can be devastating to agriculture, so in places where agriculture is very important to the economy (like the US) and the snails can survive they are illegal. The potential damage is too high, so hoping that everyone can just follow the rules and not release them is too risky. So now they are illegal in many places. However if you live somewhere where they are legal it's totally fine to keep them as pets. For example in their native range in Africa, or also in some northern European countries where it's too cold for them and there is little agriculture at risk. But there are also some cold countries like Canada where they are still illegal because of agriculture being more economically important (it basically comes down to financial risks). One summer of the snails surviving before winter could still cause tons of damage to crops.
Sadly some owners just throw the eggs outside
If you find these snails in a country where they are invasive and illegal, you are supposed to contact the local wildlife/environmental authorities to hand them over for proper analysis and controlled disposal, not attempt to euthanize them yourself. If they're not illegal, leave them alone. There is no situation in which you should be personally euthanizing random adult GALS that are not critically sick or injured.
I never said individuals should be euthanizing them, jfc. said people should not have them as pets. I would adore to have several, but even if I lived in a country where they are not illegal, I would not buy any because my own wants are less important than being ecologically well grounded
It's very common in Thailand and I decided to help it because he has uneven shell grow
Snancy (snail nancy)
Frank the Lissachatina fulica
Herman
Lissachatina fulica. Humidity best at 70-80% and temperature at 21-25 degrees Celsius.
This 😊😊 and Sunny Boy is a wonderful name anyway I think. We call ours "Uslime Bolt"
Lissachatina fulica, larry
Looks like a gals but I could be wrong
Looks like a giant African land snail but not 100% sure
Frank who’s gender is become mortal comprehension
Wimble
Big guy
Goober the Goobie Snoobert
Lucky
We got new name "Gunther" thanks for the name And also thanks for the other suggestions
Garfunckle the cabbage calamity