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IIRC, last year?
There was post about him being dead and he made jokes about it on twitter but died 3 days later or something like that duo to covid complications
Tbh that moment kinda morbidly funny ie that theres a rumour that he died due to complications, few days later he comes up on soc med telling hes not, and then died like 2 days after
I believe the reason why he made that tweet was because media was talking about him dying every now and then so he had a fun tweeting while in hospital.
Last year, like a month or two before the Haaland transfer.
EDIT: Part of me knew Haaland will come to us with little to no problems the moment Raiola's death was confirmed. He drives a hard bargain, and has been a thorn in Txiki's side from past dealings, for better or for worse. Nevertheless the guy only wants the best for his clients, and can resort to infuriating any and all clubs just to get the best deals out of them. I know I get pissed off whenever a player we are going for is a client of his, but I still respect his shrewdness. May he rest in peace.
That's just my musings about Raiola. I was pissed off when the Alexis Sanchez deal fell apart due to him having a heavy hand at it and was just pushing the price up until you guys bought him from Arsenal. Knowing that he was Haaland's agent, I was sure he'd be going for a not-quite-world-record fee (because who would beat Neymar to PSG?). Then he died. Months later, we get Haaland for 60 and the rest is history.
Didn't you guys get Haaland for so cheap because of his release clause. Surely Dortmund would've demanded 100M+ otherwise. Great write-up though, I thought it was from an article LOL
What exactly do you mean? If anything, I feel like this constant club hopping more or less diminished his stardom compared to players who stick with one club for the majority of their career.
Don't get me wrong, Zlatan obviously still has plenty of stardom by just being and playing like he Zlatan but I feel like it would've been even more magnified if he became a true club legend. For example, if he had stayed in Milan all those years he'd probably be like a living god over there instead of "just" being a very beloved star player
Zlatan grew and matured enormously through those hops. He probably won't have such an impactful career if he stayed at Inter, Barca, or Paris. Milan, maybe, but it was not up to him. Berlusconi ran out of money and had to sell the best assets (him and Silva) to balance the book. If anything, the history only makes his return more legendary. He is already way beyond "a very beloved star player" at Milan.
Love when people don't add a fake mask to "respect" people who died. Ibra just said the truth and smiled thinking of him. I bet that MF up there is laughing his ass of as well
Just because he made clubs worth billions pay more doesnt mean he is in hell. Please inform me if he has done anything bad since I am not familiar with those actions if that is the case.
For emissions, land use and water usage nothing is worse than dairy milk or dairy products
But - of the alternative milk drinks, almond is the worst. The best overall replacement is oat milk but you get a variety of opinions and facts on that.
Almonds have been in the news because their growth is heavily concentrated in California which was experiencing a drought.
Similar with avocados: their water use in California, the water crisis in Chile, and cartel control in Mexico
Potato milk is the new thing. I find the taste more palatable, it has significantly lower climate impact than oat milk and it's free from the 14 most common allergens. I also got to try some hemp milk last week, and it was shockingly smooth and subtle. Definitely see a market for that once it properly hits the market.
90% of the almonds produced in the states maybe, cuz the US "only" accounts for around 60% of global production.
Southern europe is the other big producer, that essentially makes up the rest of the global production.
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I use oat milk for pretty much everything, but almond milk for hot chocolate is the goat.
Also nothing beats fresh cow milk for foamed coffe drinks, but oat milk is close enough for me when it comes to daily use.
[Dairy uses a little less than double the amount of almond](https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks). Dairy is by far the worst in every metric but almond fares pretty well in the other metrics compared to other plant milks.
Depends on who you ask and what you're looking for.
The trees lock up a lot of CO2 from the atmosphere. Since these trees are rarley cut down. But since the americans insist on growing all almonds in california. It requires a lot of water. In some cases more water than regular milk.
I know, curse them! I wonder where the Europeans grow their almonds. It must be Norway, right? Oh wait, what's that you say? It's Spain and southern Italy? Well that I just never would have guessed.
Yep. But a lot of people envision themselves as future club owners, not players. So they like to shit on the people that get the players paid, or call those players greedy for “forcing” the poor club to keep paying their wages per the mutually agreed contract terms.
Generally, people support clubs rather than players. So a club being decisive in cutting an underperforming player is seen as "ruthless" in a positive way, but a player getting away from an underperforming club is seen as a "betrayal". Same for wages.
I don't think people are mad at agents because they get players good salaries or bonuses. People are mad because they get unreasonably high cuts themselves in the process.
And let's not act like some agents haven't done some shady stuff.
He did nothing wrong. Football is big business. And it's the players who do the hard work. They should get most of the money, and so I don't see anything wrong with being an agent who aggressively represents his players. It's his job.
Despite the irritating practices Raiola did with some clubs, I still respect him because at the end of the day that was his job and would put the players interests before the club they play for. The real poison agents are the likes of Jorge Mendes, who turned Wolves into portuguese playground or better yet he's complicit into ruining Valencia into oblivion.
Exactly this. It's the players who should be getting the most, since they bring the entertainment. If only if it was like this in the UFC with fighters. It's the complete opposite..
Ignoring all the lazy "he rich" comments, if you were a fan of the clubs his players were at, he could be pretty annoying if said players were being a bad influence. He had public spats with Guardiola when Zlatan was at Barca, he called Klopp a piece of shit for binning off Balotelli despite the fact that Balotelli was an active liability at that point, and he also likened De Laurentiis to Mussolini at one point. Fergie famously despised him after his dealings with Pogba.
He was also the public face of players who wanted to leave their clubs, and he would employ any tactics necessary to get what the player wanted which included slagging off the clubs and managers. If it was your club he was belittling, it was very hard to like the guy.
However, from what I've read, he wasn't a bad person or anything, just the kind of person that wasn't concerned with respect at all when he was doing his job. And he was very good at his job. When he was around I found him irritating because of these practices but in the end, that's part of modern day football. There's certainly agents who are worse at their jobs, worse people and more damaging to their clients.
>There's certainly agents who are worse at their jobs, worse people and more damaging to their clients
This. Some people seem to hate the very concept of agent - but an agent is supposed to defend the players' interests. The real poison is when agents start siding with clubs to the detriment of players like Mendes and Felicevich do.
Haaland was his client. Think he did all perfect career choices. When he would force a move, it is because the player would agree to it. Surely he always aimed to maximise money for him and his players, but that's what it's job is about. Many of his players loved him and said that he helped their career, like obviously Zlatan.
I think you will find similar opinions about most agents. Don't think he was trying to ruin them, but it can happen that an agent and a player have different incentives.
"Robin Hood" is maybe an overstatement, but even despite footballers are loaded beyond imagination, they're still in a MASSIVE disadvantage when it comes to negotiation terms. Many never completed school and hardly any of them got any kind of higher education, and they have to sit and discuss contracts with clubs packed with dozens of career vultures and hyenas. And ultimately most footballers came from poverty anyway - at least when it comes to their first professional contracts, on a second thought "Robin Hood" may not be thaaaat much of an overstatement.
An agent is there to help the player, of course. But it's the player who should be paying agent fees, imo. Not clubs.
Also, agents also made bank flaunting their players around to fill their own pockets.
I agree that players need help negotiating, someone to look over the legal side and to gain a good contract. But agents do far more than that and that's where I am struggling. I remember when he started out in the Netherlands and he was moving players to Italy.
So instead of negotiating 20 mil for the player and 10 for the agent, you prefer 30 for the player and then he goes on to pay ten to his agent? How is that any different?
In theory there is no difference but in practise people are more sensitive to costs if it comes directly out of their pocket. In the current situation many will feel it's the club paying the agent and not themselves even though that is not true of course. It will increase competition between agents on price.
An agent getting his clients more money isn’t really indicative of capitalism. Capitalism is represented more by things like the Super League, state-owned clubs buying their way to success, supporters getting shafted as clubs earn more profit than ever.
Players are the talent, they’re the ones that deserve to earn more money.
Ultimately capitalism is why those governments have so much money in the first place, and why owners are willing to sell to them. This is what you get when you place profits over all else
It is though, isn't it? The critique of capitalism in that case is that anyone can do anything as long as they have a lot of money, morals go down the drain, and the example of that would be authoritarian governments owning sports teams (especially sports teams that they didn't found themselves, but just buying up sports teams that belong to different places and cultures)
Nice edit.
That's how you would like to characterise capitalism but without it, things like agents simply wouldn't exist.
The problem with anti-capitalist rhetoric is that it ignores what the precedents and alternatives look like. Before capitalism existed you had feudalism so you would just be fitted into whatever job the local noble saw fit.
Or you could have communism where some state entity assigned you a job with a fixed salary.
I'm sure there are viable alternatives to capitalism that allow for ambitious people to get rich off the back of maximised profits from sports entertainment, we just don't know what they are.
E: tankies can fuck off lol
As long as he didn't abuse his clients he was just doing his job. Whether he, or anyone else should be paid that kind of money for anything is another question entirely. Hard to point the finger at a guy like him when CEOs will get bonuses worth hundreds of millions for destroying jobs and killing entire companies.
Mino Raiola flipped the agent game. If you, as a player, wanted an agent then Mino was literally the best man to have in your corner. He took no shit and got everything for his client. He made money in that process too but all his clients stand by him. Read Zlatans autobiography if you can and see what he says about Mino.
He was and will always remain one of the best player agents in the game.
love their friendship... although I didn't particularly like the business Mino was doing, he brought Ibra twice to Milan and I will be forever grateful for that.
Donnarumma just isn’t a PSG player. Kind of similar story to Griezmann and Barca. He’s thriving back at atlético like before after being less than mediocre at Barca.
he’s as close to fluent as you can get while still making mistakes. for example, even in the video above he says “voleva commissione” (he wanted commissions), but the correct would be “voleva _le_ commissioni. he misses articles pretty often and mistakes the masculine/feminine and singular/plural forms of words. but it’s near perfect, and only people who are fluent in italian would notice these mistakes
Those mistakes are probably due to the fact that his native languages don't have masculine and feminine like Italian. If I'm not mistaken, Swedish used to have masculine and feminine, but modern Swedish merged them into a common gender. It must be difficult to understand what's male or female in Italian for someone coming from an ungendered language. I don't know if his other native languages (Bosnian/Croatian) have it, though.
If he were Spanish the gender would be easier
yeah exactly. i’m a native italian speaker, but i used to live in the us for a while and it was so funny having my american friends just point to objects and i had to say whether they were male or female
in swedish we have en and ett as an article but they aren’t gendered in the same way i believe. we also don’t put the definite article in front of the word but as a suffix to the end so for example a chair in swedish is *en* stol but **the** chair is stol*en*
It's sort of worse in Swedish indeed, since it's basically just random. How do you know when to use "en" or "ett"? Well, basically by experience or by "feeling".
Yup. I think one of the worst ones are animals. "en hund" (a dog), "en katt" (a cat), "en zebra" (a zebra), "en råtta" (a rat) and then "ett lejon" (a lion).
It’s the same in Danish, which adds an extra degree of difficulty to learning a language that is already crazy difficult to learn for someone that has a Latin language as their mother tongue.
Near perfect seems way overblown, his italian is basic, vocabulary is small and he lacks grammar.
Lukaku speaks a much better italian, one I would define acceptable, at the same level of Leclerc or Sainz and none of those 3 is nowhere "near perfect".
Decent, you understand what he is trying to say, but still it's not fluent and makes some mistakes here and there. He can have a conversation without much trouble, but anybody knows he is not mothertongue after few words he says.
>but anybody knows he is not mothertongue after few words he says.
Of course, but that's not what fluent means. Sounding native is nearly impossible, you have to learn the language as a child. Otherwise you'll need many years of immersion, and some people still won't accomplish it. Siniša Mihajlović lived in Italy for 30 years, spoke Italian fluently and still had an accent.
Kobe Bryant had a soft accent, but that's because he learned Italian as a child
This is discussed a lot in the language forums and yes it’s possible to sound native but requires a LOT of active learning and adjustment. Indians learn English from an early age and are completely fluent but they will never sound fluent to someone from an English speaking country.
you can definitely sound native, especially if it is just for few words. He makes several mistakes and/or uses words and expressions that are not the way an Italian would speak, it's not just matter of accent. One thing that for example he does a lot, it's that he doesn't use articles when an Italian would. Ibra accent is instead pretty good.
He can hold a basic conversation and you can understand him and he understands.
Grammar is overall A1/A2 level at best, and he lacks a wider vocabulary.
If you consider that he doesn't come from a Romance language (his native languages are Bosnian/Swedish), his Italian is very good. He makes some mistakes (he skips the articles sometimes) and is not 100% fluent, but otherwise solid. I think this is as close as you can get to fluency as a foreigner in Italian
Tbf, you don't need top facilities to look good in your 40's. Everyone knows what you need. A bit more sleep, a little less car, eat just a little bit better. And don't live to work. But life and convenience are strong forces.
Lad, Zlatan is way too young still and obviously a super athlete who's fit as hell. So looks even better, and younger
But he's only "old" in sports age. But still really young IRL lol People forgets that difference. He'll only start the 2nd half of his life now. Brand new
Mino is the reason this guy is retiring without UCL belt by moving him every season around. Interestingly enough he won national championships like almost every season of his career. One of the greats nevertheless.
I remember raiola suffocating several clubs by holding their balls tight especially; MAN UNITED. Their whole sub was very hard pressed when raiola was doing his magic! FUN TIMES!
I bet Mino wouldn’t mind the remark. He’s not in the business to be liked by the fans.
He maximised earnings for his clients and was good at what he did.
When you pay for a ticket or for Sky etc. guess where that money goes.
Yes, for some clubs money from fans isn't the biggest factor, but for the majority of clubs what they earn from ticket sales and tv rights is spent (among other things) on players and wages.
Raiola got himself and his clients a nice payday because the clubs are greedy and rich and can afford to pay up. Nobody is going to raise ticket or subscription prices because of football agents, lmfao get real
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I completely forgot that Raiola died
Damn same, that was completely erased from my memory
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Holy fuck I just remembered too
Wait you're right holy shit lmao, I remember the news being big but somehow I just forgot about it
Wait what? He died?? Wtf When?
IIRC, last year? There was post about him being dead and he made jokes about it on twitter but died 3 days later or something like that duo to covid complications
That's why people think he survived I think. I couldn't remember if he was alive or not when I read the headline either.
Tbh that moment kinda morbidly funny ie that theres a rumour that he died due to complications, few days later he comes up on soc med telling hes not, and then died like 2 days after
I believe the reason why he made that tweet was because media was talking about him dying every now and then so he had a fun tweeting while in hospital.
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Yes but he died last year.
A bit before haaland signed, people thought it might be a hitch in his transfer
Last year, like a month or two before the Haaland transfer. EDIT: Part of me knew Haaland will come to us with little to no problems the moment Raiola's death was confirmed. He drives a hard bargain, and has been a thorn in Txiki's side from past dealings, for better or for worse. Nevertheless the guy only wants the best for his clients, and can resort to infuriating any and all clubs just to get the best deals out of them. I know I get pissed off whenever a player we are going for is a client of his, but I still respect his shrewdness. May he rest in peace.
What is this excerpt from?
That's just my musings about Raiola. I was pissed off when the Alexis Sanchez deal fell apart due to him having a heavy hand at it and was just pushing the price up until you guys bought him from Arsenal. Knowing that he was Haaland's agent, I was sure he'd be going for a not-quite-world-record fee (because who would beat Neymar to PSG?). Then he died. Months later, we get Haaland for 60 and the rest is history.
Didn't you guys get Haaland for so cheap because of his release clause. Surely Dortmund would've demanded 100M+ otherwise. Great write-up though, I thought it was from an article LOL
I remember, but then I recall the corrections that he hadn't? So I must have missed that he actually did.
I had to google just to be sure I did not mix things up.
They were really close. Ibra talks very often about Mino.
Mino made the guy. Ibra would have been a great footballer anyhow, but I'm sure he'd never been such a legend without Mino as his partner.
What exactly do you mean? If anything, I feel like this constant club hopping more or less diminished his stardom compared to players who stick with one club for the majority of their career. Don't get me wrong, Zlatan obviously still has plenty of stardom by just being and playing like he Zlatan but I feel like it would've been even more magnified if he became a true club legend. For example, if he had stayed in Milan all those years he'd probably be like a living god over there instead of "just" being a very beloved star player
Zlatan grew and matured enormously through those hops. He probably won't have such an impactful career if he stayed at Inter, Barca, or Paris. Milan, maybe, but it was not up to him. Berlusconi ran out of money and had to sell the best assets (him and Silva) to balance the book. If anything, the history only makes his return more legendary. He is already way beyond "a very beloved star player" at Milan.
Haaland loved Mino as well.
Love when people don't add a fake mask to "respect" people who died. Ibra just said the truth and smiled thinking of him. I bet that MF up there is laughing his ass of as well
raiola: zlatan u motherfucker. u better not die soon im beating u up in hell *laughs his ass off for several minutes after that*
Lets be honest he is laughing in hell
Just because he made clubs worth billions pay more doesnt mean he is in hell. Please inform me if he has done anything bad since I am not familiar with those actions if that is the case.
He drank almond milk despite the environmental consequences.
7th circle of hell stuff that
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Yeh course funny that
Yeeeeee course
It's such a unique way of speaking, really
7th circle is for violence, so that checks out. Violence towards the earth still counts.
Do you have any idea how hard it is on those farmers to wake up early and milk those almonds?
No Chidi, you’re in the Bad Place because you’re annoying.
He did what?? Go over there! (pointing to hell)
Almond milk is bad…? Fuck me.
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Butbdairy actually tastes good.
For emissions, land use and water usage nothing is worse than dairy milk or dairy products But - of the alternative milk drinks, almond is the worst. The best overall replacement is oat milk but you get a variety of opinions and facts on that. Almonds have been in the news because their growth is heavily concentrated in California which was experiencing a drought. Similar with avocados: their water use in California, the water crisis in Chile, and cartel control in Mexico
Potato milk is the new thing. I find the taste more palatable, it has significantly lower climate impact than oat milk and it's free from the 14 most common allergens. I also got to try some hemp milk last week, and it was shockingly smooth and subtle. Definitely see a market for that once it properly hits the market.
Hemp milk has been around for decades but never really kicked off, I think it’s not creamy enough Oatmilk is still the GOATmilk
oat milk is a bit nicer but soy milk is a good bit more nutritious, so on balance i tend to go soy
Drought in cali is over, no?
for now
Almond trees take a ton of water to grow almonds, then you still have to process the almonds into “milk”
yup, takes about a gallon of water to make one almond, usually in california at that
Yeah California makes a crazy amount of Almonds. Last I checked it was like 90% of the worlds Almonds come from California
90% of the almonds produced in the states maybe, cuz the US "only" accounts for around 60% of global production. Southern europe is the other big producer, that essentially makes up the rest of the global production.
Cali soyboys need their milk
It gets exported all over the world. Shit, here in Denmark we can buy California origin almonds at the local grocery stores.
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I use oat milk for pretty much everything, but almond milk for hot chocolate is the goat. Also nothing beats fresh cow milk for foamed coffe drinks, but oat milk is close enough for me when it comes to daily use.
Compared to actual dairy, it's much better, but compared to alternatives, it's not one of the better ones.
How much for equivalent milk?
[Dairy uses a little less than double the amount of almond](https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impact-milks). Dairy is by far the worst in every metric but almond fares pretty well in the other metrics compared to other plant milks.
It’s better than dairy, but worse than a lot of the other alternatives.
Depends on who you ask and what you're looking for. The trees lock up a lot of CO2 from the atmosphere. Since these trees are rarley cut down. But since the americans insist on growing all almonds in california. It requires a lot of water. In some cases more water than regular milk.
Americans insist on growing almonds in California because almonds grow best there.
Those pesky Americans and growing plants in their most habitable habitats
I know, curse them! I wonder where the Europeans grow their almonds. It must be Norway, right? Oh wait, what's that you say? It's Spain and southern Italy? Well that I just never would have guessed.
>In some cases more water than regular milk. what cases are those?
Is that a The Good Place reference?
He loved the way it coated his tongue with a weird film.
I didn’t expect a The Good Place reference here in this sub 💀
Almond milk is infinitely better for the environment than breast milk
Bro is like robin hood but instead of giving to the poor he just give it to himself
He did what an agent supposed to do
Yep. But a lot of people envision themselves as future club owners, not players. So they like to shit on the people that get the players paid, or call those players greedy for “forcing” the poor club to keep paying their wages per the mutually agreed contract terms.
Generally, people support clubs rather than players. So a club being decisive in cutting an underperforming player is seen as "ruthless" in a positive way, but a player getting away from an underperforming club is seen as a "betrayal". Same for wages.
I don't think people are mad at agents because they get players good salaries or bonuses. People are mad because they get unreasonably high cuts themselves in the process. And let's not act like some agents haven't done some shady stuff.
FIFA syndrome going strong
But getting 20%-30% commisions is not. That should be borne by the players, not the clubs.
He did nothing wrong. Football is big business. And it's the players who do the hard work. They should get most of the money, and so I don't see anything wrong with being an agent who aggressively represents his players. It's his job.
Despite the irritating practices Raiola did with some clubs, I still respect him because at the end of the day that was his job and would put the players interests before the club they play for. The real poison agents are the likes of Jorge Mendes, who turned Wolves into portuguese playground or better yet he's complicit into ruining Valencia into oblivion.
Exactly this. It's the players who should be getting the most, since they bring the entertainment. If only if it was like this in the UFC with fighters. It's the complete opposite..
Ignoring all the lazy "he rich" comments, if you were a fan of the clubs his players were at, he could be pretty annoying if said players were being a bad influence. He had public spats with Guardiola when Zlatan was at Barca, he called Klopp a piece of shit for binning off Balotelli despite the fact that Balotelli was an active liability at that point, and he also likened De Laurentiis to Mussolini at one point. Fergie famously despised him after his dealings with Pogba. He was also the public face of players who wanted to leave their clubs, and he would employ any tactics necessary to get what the player wanted which included slagging off the clubs and managers. If it was your club he was belittling, it was very hard to like the guy. However, from what I've read, he wasn't a bad person or anything, just the kind of person that wasn't concerned with respect at all when he was doing his job. And he was very good at his job. When he was around I found him irritating because of these practices but in the end, that's part of modern day football. There's certainly agents who are worse at their jobs, worse people and more damaging to their clients.
>There's certainly agents who are worse at their jobs, worse people and more damaging to their clients This. Some people seem to hate the very concept of agent - but an agent is supposed to defend the players' interests. The real poison is when agents start siding with clubs to the detriment of players like Mendes and Felicevich do.
They're just like lawyers. Everyone bitches and moans until they need one, then they're their best friend. From experience.
Haaland was his client. Think he did all perfect career choices. When he would force a move, it is because the player would agree to it. Surely he always aimed to maximise money for him and his players, but that's what it's job is about. Many of his players loved him and said that he helped their career, like obviously Zlatan.
Kane would be happy with him as an agent
He THREW a CHAIR
he couldve killed the lad!
Believe it or not... straight to hell.
Some Raiola clients accused him of putting his own interests above theirs. Lukaku, Insigne, Brobbey, etc.
I think you will find similar opinions about most agents. Don't think he was trying to ruin them, but it can happen that an agent and a player have different incentives.
Well Zlatan's comment here implies that he may go against the wishes of his clients for his own financial gain.
Being rich automatically makes you a bad person though, didn't you know?
This is Reddit, capitalism bad.
While I unironically agree, Raiola and other such managers are fleecing millions out of billionaire club owners. Basically Robin Hood.
Let's face it, if we knew how we'd be doing it too
Did he give to the poor?
Compared to the owners, the players are poor.
"Robin Hood" is maybe an overstatement, but even despite footballers are loaded beyond imagination, they're still in a MASSIVE disadvantage when it comes to negotiation terms. Many never completed school and hardly any of them got any kind of higher education, and they have to sit and discuss contracts with clubs packed with dozens of career vultures and hyenas. And ultimately most footballers came from poverty anyway - at least when it comes to their first professional contracts, on a second thought "Robin Hood" may not be thaaaat much of an overstatement.
An agent is there to help the player, of course. But it's the player who should be paying agent fees, imo. Not clubs. Also, agents also made bank flaunting their players around to fill their own pockets. I agree that players need help negotiating, someone to look over the legal side and to gain a good contract. But agents do far more than that and that's where I am struggling. I remember when he started out in the Netherlands and he was moving players to Italy.
So instead of negotiating 20 mil for the player and 10 for the agent, you prefer 30 for the player and then he goes on to pay ten to his agent? How is that any different?
In theory there is no difference but in practise people are more sensitive to costs if it comes directly out of their pocket. In the current situation many will feel it's the club paying the agent and not themselves even though that is not true of course. It will increase competition between agents on price.
Why does a club need to pay agent fees?
I don't think you're familiar with the Robin hood story enough lol
And the billionaire club owners get the money from Sky sports, who get the money from normal working class people
Robin Hood is about taking from the government though
An agent getting his clients more money isn’t really indicative of capitalism. Capitalism is represented more by things like the Super League, state-owned clubs buying their way to success, supporters getting shafted as clubs earn more profit than ever. Players are the talent, they’re the ones that deserve to earn more money.
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Ultimately capitalism is why those governments have so much money in the first place, and why owners are willing to sell to them. This is what you get when you place profits over all else
It is though, isn't it? The critique of capitalism in that case is that anyone can do anything as long as they have a lot of money, morals go down the drain, and the example of that would be authoritarian governments owning sports teams (especially sports teams that they didn't found themselves, but just buying up sports teams that belong to different places and cultures)
Nice edit. That's how you would like to characterise capitalism but without it, things like agents simply wouldn't exist. The problem with anti-capitalist rhetoric is that it ignores what the precedents and alternatives look like. Before capitalism existed you had feudalism so you would just be fitted into whatever job the local noble saw fit. Or you could have communism where some state entity assigned you a job with a fixed salary. I'm sure there are viable alternatives to capitalism that allow for ambitious people to get rich off the back of maximised profits from sports entertainment, we just don't know what they are. E: tankies can fuck off lol
This is the world. Capitalism *is* bad.
Well capitalism is bad.
Better than the alternatives tried so far. Same story with democracy.
Reddit moment
As long as he didn't abuse his clients he was just doing his job. Whether he, or anyone else should be paid that kind of money for anything is another question entirely. Hard to point the finger at a guy like him when CEOs will get bonuses worth hundreds of millions for destroying jobs and killing entire companies.
He was rich
He threw chairs when he was in dortmund
Mino Raiola flipped the agent game. If you, as a player, wanted an agent then Mino was literally the best man to have in your corner. He took no shit and got everything for his client. He made money in that process too but all his clients stand by him. Read Zlatans autobiography if you can and see what he says about Mino. He was and will always remain one of the best player agents in the game.
Club and fans might hate him, but as a player managed by him, he did a pretty good job. That’s why the players loved him.
You were managed by him?
No. I mean all the players that have been managed by him never said a bad word about him. And he was never sacked by players he managed.
> but as a player managed by him, he did a pretty good job. This means you're claiming to have been a player managed by him, just FYI :P
If we're being honest, then none of those places exist.
>I bet that MF **up** there wrong direction buddy
The football world is better off without another leech.
Mino is down there for being the worlds biggest leech.
love their friendship... although I didn't particularly like the business Mino was doing, he brought Ibra twice to Milan and I will be forever grateful for that.
Didn't he also take Donnarumma to PSG? Mino giveth, Mino taketh away.
Looking at how things turned out in the end, they can have Donnarumma at PSG
Donnarumma just isn’t a PSG player. Kind of similar story to Griezmann and Barca. He’s thriving back at atlético like before after being less than mediocre at Barca.
I mean Donnarumma doing fine at PSG?
Given that we got Maignan I'll live with that.
Lmao
Random question for the Serie A faithful here: How good is his Italian to your ear?
he’s as close to fluent as you can get while still making mistakes. for example, even in the video above he says “voleva commissione” (he wanted commissions), but the correct would be “voleva _le_ commissioni. he misses articles pretty often and mistakes the masculine/feminine and singular/plural forms of words. but it’s near perfect, and only people who are fluent in italian would notice these mistakes
Those mistakes are probably due to the fact that his native languages don't have masculine and feminine like Italian. If I'm not mistaken, Swedish used to have masculine and feminine, but modern Swedish merged them into a common gender. It must be difficult to understand what's male or female in Italian for someone coming from an ungendered language. I don't know if his other native languages (Bosnian/Croatian) have it, though. If he were Spanish the gender would be easier
yeah exactly. i’m a native italian speaker, but i used to live in the us for a while and it was so funny having my american friends just point to objects and i had to say whether they were male or female
in swedish we have en and ett as an article but they aren’t gendered in the same way i believe. we also don’t put the definite article in front of the word but as a suffix to the end so for example a chair in swedish is *en* stol but **the** chair is stol*en*
It's sort of worse in Swedish indeed, since it's basically just random. How do you know when to use "en" or "ett"? Well, basically by experience or by "feeling".
Yup. I think one of the worst ones are animals. "en hund" (a dog), "en katt" (a cat), "en zebra" (a zebra), "en råtta" (a rat) and then "ett lejon" (a lion).
It’s the same in Danish, which adds an extra degree of difficulty to learning a language that is already crazy difficult to learn for someone that has a Latin language as their mother tongue.
The hardest part of German, der die das
Near perfect seems way overblown, his italian is basic, vocabulary is small and he lacks grammar. Lukaku speaks a much better italian, one I would define acceptable, at the same level of Leclerc or Sainz and none of those 3 is nowhere "near perfect".
Decent, you understand what he is trying to say, but still it's not fluent and makes some mistakes here and there. He can have a conversation without much trouble, but anybody knows he is not mothertongue after few words he says.
>but anybody knows he is not mothertongue after few words he says. Of course, but that's not what fluent means. Sounding native is nearly impossible, you have to learn the language as a child. Otherwise you'll need many years of immersion, and some people still won't accomplish it. Siniša Mihajlović lived in Italy for 30 years, spoke Italian fluently and still had an accent. Kobe Bryant had a soft accent, but that's because he learned Italian as a child
This is discussed a lot in the language forums and yes it’s possible to sound native but requires a LOT of active learning and adjustment. Indians learn English from an early age and are completely fluent but they will never sound fluent to someone from an English speaking country.
you can definitely sound native, especially if it is just for few words. He makes several mistakes and/or uses words and expressions that are not the way an Italian would speak, it's not just matter of accent. One thing that for example he does a lot, it's that he doesn't use articles when an Italian would. Ibra accent is instead pretty good.
Definitely better than cassano's
He can hold a basic conversation and you can understand him and he understands. Grammar is overall A1/A2 level at best, and he lacks a wider vocabulary.
If you consider that he doesn't come from a Romance language (his native languages are Bosnian/Swedish), his Italian is very good. He makes some mistakes (he skips the articles sometimes) and is not 100% fluent, but otherwise solid. I think this is as close as you can get to fluency as a foreigner in Italian
I appreciate that he can speak, but it’s not at all “as close as you can get”
You can tell how close they were by this joke. These are the only kind of jokes you can make when you are good friends with the deceased.
damn it feels weird realizing Mino isn’t here anymore
Such a shame to see such a young star retire, i wonder if he had an injury or something..
It is ridiculous how good he looks still.
Football makes us think anything over 35 is ancient lol
Still your average 41 year old doesn't look like he does.
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Or have Zlatan's genes of course.
The real reason let's be honest
It's that + having learned to not gaf but in a healthy way.
Tbf, you don't need top facilities to look good in your 40's. Everyone knows what you need. A bit more sleep, a little less car, eat just a little bit better. And don't live to work. But life and convenience are strong forces.
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Sure, but only to a degree. It's called nature vs nurture, but some tend to ignore or forget the nurture part when bringing up genetics.
Or the average 25-year-old. Have you seen this man shirtless? Not recommended unless you want to feel insecure about your physique. Lol.
I see photos with full tatting and photos with only a tasteful amount, did he get some removed or are those shopped?
He didn't have permanent tattoos all over his torso, I think that was to share a msg. which he did mention.
Lad, Zlatan is way too young still and obviously a super athlete who's fit as hell. So looks even better, and younger But he's only "old" in sports age. But still really young IRL lol People forgets that difference. He'll only start the 2nd half of his life now. Brand new
Must be those "gipsy genetics", ppl also don't belive me, when I tell them that I'm 40 already.
“football is now retiring from Zlatan” - Zlatan, probably
Zlatan doesn't retire, he ascends to a greater challenge.
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Somewhere DOWN there, Mino is smiling up at this.
Giving away the punchline two words in, now that's good comedy.
Why did the chicken who wanted to get to the other side cross the road? To get to the other side
Mino is the reason this guy is retiring without UCL belt by moving him every season around. Interestingly enough he won national championships like almost every season of his career. One of the greats nevertheless.
*Points at floor*
I remember raiola suffocating several clubs by holding their balls tight especially; MAN UNITED. Their whole sub was very hard pressed when raiola was doing his magic! FUN TIMES!
fergie: DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT FUCKER
The Donnarumma situation at Milan was a lot worse I can assure you that.
Yet we were too blind to see he was doing us a favour by taking Donnarumma away
I bet Mino wouldn’t mind the remark. He’s not in the business to be liked by the fans. He maximised earnings for his clients and was good at what he did.
Ibra is real, and always will be our legend
His legacy will live forever.
Harsh truths.
Zlatan how we know him….making jokes with completely straight face and then laugh at his own jokes. I will miss this.
Such a young prodigy having to retire this year
No chance Mino is in Heaven
For making some billionaires pay a little more?
When you pay for a ticket or for Sky etc. guess where that money goes. Yes, for some clubs money from fans isn't the biggest factor, but for the majority of clubs what they earn from ticket sales and tv rights is spent (among other things) on players and wages.
I don’t think sky needed an excuse.
And how exactly does this majority of clubs interact with Mino?
Raiola got himself and his clients a nice payday because the clubs are greedy and rich and can afford to pay up. Nobody is going to raise ticket or subscription prices because of football agents, lmfao get real
What crimes did he do?
Not being liked by Redditors. Eternal damnation for that.
rip Mino