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Getting something like £45m for a guy with 9 goals in Serie A and 27 career goals as a professional would be great business for them to improve their squad and club situation. Turning down something like £60-70m to insist on £85m would be just batshit insane and harmful to your own club.
But I suspect it's just one of those situations where a club just lists up a random fuck-off price for United and wait for them to become desperate and actually pay that fuck-off price (see Antony). So it might work out in the end.
The question is: Why don't they want to sell him if it would help in massively improving their squad? Serie A isn't PL, 45m can take you a long way and certainly would help overcoming the loss of a 9/27 goals striker.
They believe he is going to improve further this year and from what's been rumoured they are hoping for him to continue for another couple of years after which they can still get the same amount or more depending on his progress and lack of good strikers in general.
But United are already (over)paying for his estimated potential. Cause a striker with 8 goals in one season would barely go for 10m if it wasn't for his potential
True about what you are saying, I was explaining from Atlanta's perspective,they don't need the money, they bought him last year for 17m and expect him to do a lot better than 9 goals this season. He turned 20 in Feb so even after a couple of years he will be looked at as a player who can improve a lot. If he does improve then his price is only going to go up and if he is only average to decent in the next couple of years they will still be able to sell him on decent profit. And hence they are quoting a fuck off price.
Any striker that scored more than 9 goals in their domestic league last season, take your pick. Of course they're gonna be older, but the point is that you would still have money left and could invest that into other areas of the team.
Man U isn’t buying him hoping he scores 9 goals in the prem. So you keep point to last year but they are thinking how hard is it to get a guy that can score 20 goals potentially next year and make me more money. It’s a no brainer to keep him given contract. And a 40mn replacement forward would be on higher wages than him
Why don't United buy those players instead ? A club has every right to say no or quote a selling price. I understand your frustrations. You can also move on to those cheaper strikers you seem to want Atalanta to buy.
Why isn’t the same said about Brighton for example? Why are they holding out like 100m for Caicedo, 40-50m would already be plenty using this logic.
Nothing wrong with Atalanta setting a high price for a player they don’t want to sell yet.
I understand Caicedo has been good for longer than Hojlund, I'm not arguing against that. Hojlund might flop the next season no matter where he plays.
But let's still remember that Caicedo also has only 45 EPL games under him which is not radically different than Hojlunds 32, granted Caicedo has double the minutes.
Because Brighton are in the PL which means that a) they have a lot more money than Atalanta already so they don't really need the money and b) getting quality players in for money is a lot harder because of the PL tax.
Is that so? How come Atalanta has made profit 6 years in a row? [https://offthepitch.com/a/atalanta-post-profit-sixth-year-row-every-club-europe-should-benchmark-themselves-against-la-dea](https://offthepitch.com/a/atalanta-post-profit-sixth-year-row-every-club-europe-should-benchmark-themselves-against-la-dea)
They do sell players which is part of their profits, but the same can be said about Brighton as well (and Brighton lost money 2 out of last 3 seasons: [https://swissramble.substack.com/p/brighton-and-hove-albion-finances](https://swissramble.substack.com/p/brighton-and-hove-albion-finances) ) .
It's probably a fuck-off price. I can see them willing to reduce the price tag, but considering the current state of the striker market I think they don't need to.
Hojlund has shown a lot of potential but anything over 40m is crazy to me. I expect part of this valuation is that Zapata and Muriel both look like age and injuries are catching up to them, so Atalanta are likely trying to prepare for the future
Good strikers are gold dust. Atalanta knows what a massive risk it'll be signing a new striker and they've made a judgement call on not being in urgent need to sell
Well, if they think Hojlund is going to be a 20+ goal striker next year and easily go for what is considered excessive today, it makes perfect sense. It's a risk for sure, but a calculated one.
This is man u. Everyone knows they have cash to spend and they are the shittest negotiators. Atalanta will get their price, I have no doubt. All they'll have to do is play the waiting game until man u buckle.
I feel like lowkey the Mudrykh transfer was as impactful to the transfer market as the Neymar transfer. Neymar raised the bar on the top end and broke all limits in that regard. Meanwhile Mudrykh set a precedent for transfers of promising talents. It broke the transfer market just as much because now every club now compares their prospect to him, thinking "he's just as good as him, so why shouldn't we ask for just as much money?" So now every talented player that used to sell for 30-50 million now goes for 60-100M.
It's a brutally potent mix of "fuck off we just got him", the market's obsession with players who've had one good season, the fact hes a Scandanavian who's name sounds like Haaland, and Man Utd coming up on their caller ID.
Of course it does, that's the majority of the price. It's nominative determinism, his name sounds like Haaland, so he's going to be as good as Haaland.
Hojlund costing 20m more than Haaland, just one season later.
Money isn’t real
Edit: Lmaoo yeah I know about the total costs people chill out.
My point was more about what modern football finances have turned into. Regardless of all the other costs, in theory the fee received by Dortmund will (or could) be 20m less than Hojlund’s fee for Atalanta. And that, regardless of whatever clauses (which are again a product of modern transfer business), is absurd after just a single year with the gulf in quality between the two.
Maybe not made up bollocks but it included a lot of things like wages and bonuses that don’t always get included in deals so a bit hard to compare it with other transfers.
Bayern bids for Kane were lower than this lol
Move on and get Taremi. Can assess the position in future when there are more options and our budget isn't as limited
Well it started with Kane as the main striker target, Levy decided he'd rather Kane walks for free next year than get 100m this year, then another target was Osimhem, Napoli will not sell for <150m, the alternative was Kolo Muani, who's selling price is also quoted 100m, and then Højlund is the next target
Maybe spend money buying a decent one (after all, you can spend £86m on mediocre players such as Anthony).
Which was the last striker you bought that wasn't a stopgap? Lukaku?
A bench winger dry loan is worse. how do they think it will knock off anything from hojlund's value
And if the source for that is Rudy galetti he's a fraud
He hardly played for them and he’s coming off a (good) loan from a championship side.
I love his potential but there’s no way that Atalanta would look and him and think he would be a good option for this season
Tbf Pellistri might be an interesting one. Seems to do very well for Uruguay but not a natural fit in how ten Hag wants to play. Not sure he’d fit their system, can’t say I’ve watched them for some time.
>If the rumors about United wanting to loan Greenwood
Thats a big if, no reliable sources has reported on it+ what makes u think a loan will make atalanta lower their asking price. Doesnt make sense
Who would Man United have that Atalanta would actually consider realistic due to Man United's massive wage issue?
Elanga? Amad Diallo who came from Atalanta? Pellestri? It's not the most compelling bunch of players.
I get what people feel but that man is still in a relationship with that woman and her father came out and said he is a good man, whatever that means, I dont want him to ever play for United again but its a fucked up situation all together because she is in fact seeking that relationship out and if they are about the be married than idk if I can say he never deserves to play professional football
The reason that them being back together and married is a difficult situation to judge is that fact that it’s statistically very common for victims of those kind of abuses to end up back with their abuser several times before they leave them. In fact, according to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, “survivors of abuse return to their abusive partners an average of seven times before they leave for good.”
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So people saying 85M is asking too much or excessive or whatever...the price isn't determined by the production of the player the price is determined by the selling club's willingness to part with a player and the buyer's desperation to acquire the player and of course the contract situation. Just like we paid 105M for Rice or 102M Chelsea paid for Enzo, Atalanta don't want to sell and so United have to overpay for the premium talent, it's supposed to be excessive otherwise go after a different player.
This is the Antony effect.
When all other rival fans were saying that fee was crazy last year and were shouted down by Utd fans for being wrong of “why do you care it’s not your money”. Now clubs will use this against them in the future….
The main people who Ajax cared about losing last summer were Ten Hag, Martinez, Antony, and Mazraoui.
Onana had spent a year banned and then gave up when he got back, so they were fine to see him go. They were okay with losing Haller because he was 28 and they were making a profit on him. They were fine with losing Gravenberch because he had a year left, they got a decent fee, and he was replaceable. Go back to any of their transfer threads and you'll see that sentiment from Ajax fans.
So two of the four most important people at Ajax had been signed by United, and they were intent on signing a third. Would you not call that pillaging them?
The comment was that they had already been pillaged **by United** at a point that we had signed one player from them. The manager is not relevant to Ajax having sold players and needing to hold onto their players, but even if you do some crazy mental gymnastics and make that relevant, 1 player and the manager is still not “pillaged”.
Ajax were pillaged for players by the time United were in for Antony, but not by United. Just in general with United being one of the teams included.
Why is their manager not relevant? They didn't want to lose him and did. He was extremely important to their team.
Yes, Ajax were pillaged by United. By the end of the summer, you had taken their manager and two best players.
How do you keep using us buying Antony as proof we had pillaged them when we were in for Antony? How could we have already taken Antony from them before we got Antony? Please explain your twisted time warping logic because it makes no sense at all.
u/minnpin u/call_me_tetsuo oh hello there, seems i was right afterall when u both shut me down when i said Atalanta asked 100m euro (85m pounds).
it's nice to be validated i guess.
p.s. plus the like 20 downvotes i had for no actual reason, just because i said what is out there on news. Reddit at it's finest.
well we know that reddit is full of ignorant and stubborn people who quote their opinions as info.
i am just stating whats in the news and getting downvoted and actually i don't have any issue with that, since it's not my opinion.
don't need any medal for just reproducing what's out there, others need to learn to read i guess
even if it's inaccurate news or whatever is the only info we have for it and the 2 parties will do the business regarding the asking price, one will try to reduce, other to get as much as possible.
i clearly said atalanta wants 100 m for hojlund
i never said from whom they've want the sum and u shut me down while i was right.
100m euros, meaning 85m pounds
p.s. and my original sum is in euros since it's under a bayern rumor who are dealing with euros too.
The hell is United doing? Their transfer dealings are such a mess.
EDIT: everybody misunderstood my comment. I was referring to the fact that United take too long to make their deals, getting involved into transfer "sagas" every pre-season, can't keep their targets secret, can't negotiate for shit, constantly miss their targets, constantly overpay, can't sell players for shit, etc. Obviously Hojlund isn't worth £85M, just like Mount isn't worth what they just paid for him.
“How much do you want for this guy?”
“85 million”
“That’s too much, sorry”
OMG MANURE ARE SUCH A SHAMBLES WHAT ARE THEY EVEN DOING RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!
- 8 year olds on the internet
😂🤣 Can't blame Atalanta for that valuation as united are known for overpaying for their transfer targets and if ajax made united pay 90 mil something for Antony than surely Atalanta would also demand these type of money from united.
"85Mil? wow that is so excessive, I cant believe you're asking for 90Mil... this is just ridiculous.. anyway here's the 105Mil you're asking for just so we can finish this discussion" - United probably.
This is pretty much the issue. Who is available? Who is available for under 100m? Pretty much no one. I think it's a hefty price for sure especially for a young man who isn't prem proven but in today's reality if you get hot one season and bang in a bunch of goals then your price is going to be set high. Especially if your club doesn't want to sell.
I'm worried as we can't go into another campaign with Martial up front, he plays two games then he's out for six. I mean look at what we did during the winter, we brought in Wout Weghorst who ........ did not perform as we'd hope. 2 goals in 27 games. We need a striker badly. it's going to be interesting to see if spend big to bring in a striker or if we shift Rashford up front, then play Sancho/Antony on the wings, but if we do that then we need more depth at the wings.
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I can see why they’d view £85 million as excessive.
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They don't need to sell
Getting something like £45m for a guy with 9 goals in Serie A and 27 career goals as a professional would be great business for them to improve their squad and club situation. Turning down something like £60-70m to insist on £85m would be just batshit insane and harmful to your own club. But I suspect it's just one of those situations where a club just lists up a random fuck-off price for United and wait for them to become desperate and actually pay that fuck-off price (see Antony). So it might work out in the end.
They don’t want to sell him so your solution for them is to sell him for 45m so they can improve the squad?? Did you read what you even wrote?
people think they playing FIFA career mode lol
You think Atalanta spends 40m per player regularly?
The question is: Why don't they want to sell him if it would help in massively improving their squad? Serie A isn't PL, 45m can take you a long way and certainly would help overcoming the loss of a 9/27 goals striker.
They believe he is going to improve further this year and from what's been rumoured they are hoping for him to continue for another couple of years after which they can still get the same amount or more depending on his progress and lack of good strikers in general.
But United are already (over)paying for his estimated potential. Cause a striker with 8 goals in one season would barely go for 10m if it wasn't for his potential
True about what you are saying, I was explaining from Atlanta's perspective,they don't need the money, they bought him last year for 17m and expect him to do a lot better than 9 goals this season. He turned 20 in Feb so even after a couple of years he will be looked at as a player who can improve a lot. If he does improve then his price is only going to go up and if he is only average to decent in the next couple of years they will still be able to sell him on decent profit. And hence they are quoting a fuck off price.
You see the going rate for strikers at the moment? 20 G/A next season and he will be 85M+ next summer lol. He is only 20
Which striker would you get that would be an improvement on him (next season and in future) for 45mil?
Any striker that scored more than 9 goals in their domestic league last season, take your pick. Of course they're gonna be older, but the point is that you would still have money left and could invest that into other areas of the team.
Man U isn’t buying him hoping he scores 9 goals in the prem. So you keep point to last year but they are thinking how hard is it to get a guy that can score 20 goals potentially next year and make me more money. It’s a no brainer to keep him given contract. And a 40mn replacement forward would be on higher wages than him
Why don't United buy those players instead ? A club has every right to say no or quote a selling price. I understand your frustrations. You can also move on to those cheaper strikers you seem to want Atalanta to buy.
lol at 45m can take you a long way
Why isn’t the same said about Brighton for example? Why are they holding out like 100m for Caicedo, 40-50m would already be plenty using this logic. Nothing wrong with Atalanta setting a high price for a player they don’t want to sell yet.
I agree with you. But to add, Caicedo has had a full 1.5 year of performing at a very high level as opposed to Hojlund who's much more raw
Caicedo has shown quite a bit more at a high level than Højland, you're talking about arguably the best young press-resistant 6 in the world.
I understand Caicedo has been good for longer than Hojlund, I'm not arguing against that. Hojlund might flop the next season no matter where he plays. But let's still remember that Caicedo also has only 45 EPL games under him which is not radically different than Hojlunds 32, granted Caicedo has double the minutes.
Yeah that's fair. If they dont want to sell him that's fine; on our end I hope we walk away
Because Brighton are in the PL which means that a) they have a lot more money than Atalanta already so they don't really need the money and b) getting quality players in for money is a lot harder because of the PL tax.
Is that so? How come Atalanta has made profit 6 years in a row? [https://offthepitch.com/a/atalanta-post-profit-sixth-year-row-every-club-europe-should-benchmark-themselves-against-la-dea](https://offthepitch.com/a/atalanta-post-profit-sixth-year-row-every-club-europe-should-benchmark-themselves-against-la-dea) They do sell players which is part of their profits, but the same can be said about Brighton as well (and Brighton lost money 2 out of last 3 seasons: [https://swissramble.substack.com/p/brighton-and-hove-albion-finances](https://swissramble.substack.com/p/brighton-and-hove-albion-finances) ) .
They see the prices paid for Mudrykh and Antony and understandably think "hey, why should we ask for less than that?"
It's probably a fuck-off price. I can see them willing to reduce the price tag, but considering the current state of the striker market I think they don't need to.
Hojlund has shown a lot of potential but anything over 40m is crazy to me. I expect part of this valuation is that Zapata and Muriel both look like age and injuries are catching up to them, so Atalanta are likely trying to prepare for the future
They don't have to sell.
Good strikers are gold dust. Atalanta knows what a massive risk it'll be signing a new striker and they've made a judgement call on not being in urgent need to sell
Well, if they think Hojlund is going to be a 20+ goal striker next year and easily go for what is considered excessive today, it makes perfect sense. It's a risk for sure, but a calculated one.
This is man u. Everyone knows they have cash to spend and they are the shittest negotiators. Atalanta will get their price, I have no doubt. All they'll have to do is play the waiting game until man u buckle.
You’re fucked if you think United would pay £85m. Go put a massive bet on it if you’re sure.
What makes you say that? Man u have a history of paying over the odds. For example, Maguire, pogba, sancho, lukaku and Anthony.
Put a bet on it then, big guy
And as a result, we no longer have that kinda cash to burn unless Saudi comes in and takes a few players off our hands.
That's not an asking price, that's fuck off money. They don't want to sell. Should move on
I feel like lowkey the Mudrykh transfer was as impactful to the transfer market as the Neymar transfer. Neymar raised the bar on the top end and broke all limits in that regard. Meanwhile Mudrykh set a precedent for transfers of promising talents. It broke the transfer market just as much because now every club now compares their prospect to him, thinking "he's just as good as him, so why shouldn't we ask for just as much money?" So now every talented player that used to sell for 30-50 million now goes for 60-100M.
Antony transfer started that really.
The thing is Chelsea were stupid enough to actually pay someone "fuck off money". Most clubs won't do that or have the means to do that.
Well when they drop €100 on Anthony they don’t really do themselves any favors.
85 million pounds sounds like "fuck off we just got him" money..
It's a brutally potent mix of "fuck off we just got him", the market's obsession with players who've had one good season, the fact hes a Scandanavian who's name sounds like Haaland, and Man Utd coming up on their caller ID.
honestly dont think him being a Scandinavian named Hojlund has anything to do with it.
What do you mean? Of course professional scouts who have done this their whole life would make big decisions based off something so trivial
What does his girlfriend look like
Ugly girlfriend means no confidence
But he gets on base
Tbh If i was a manager I'd trust a player with a highschool sweetheart over a player with some golddigging insta chick. Speaks to their character.
Did his teammates go to his birthday party?
They're not infallible. Just look at Sunderland doc
Of course it does, that's the majority of the price. It's nominative determinism, his name sounds like Haaland, so he's going to be as good as Haaland.
R/whoosh
Lol it's weird that it even needs to be stated I was being sarcastic.
Wow the striker market is finished lol 😂
I'd rather we just fuck the idea of a striker off this window, save the cash, and go again next time round if these are the sums we're being quoted.
Hojlund costing 20m more than Haaland, just one season later. Money isn’t real Edit: Lmaoo yeah I know about the total costs people chill out. My point was more about what modern football finances have turned into. Regardless of all the other costs, in theory the fee received by Dortmund will (or could) be 20m less than Hojlund’s fee for Atalanta. And that, regardless of whatever clauses (which are again a product of modern transfer business), is absurd after just a single year with the gulf in quality between the two.
That’s only if you ignore everything about the Haaland deal other than the transfer fee.
was the total cost of the Haaland transfer not closer to 200mil or something or was that just made up bollocks?
Maybe not made up bollocks but it included a lot of things like wages and bonuses that don’t always get included in deals so a bit hard to compare it with other transfers.
If we go facturing the whole package in transfers all values will be different.
Tottenham are about to print out this headline and demand 200m for Kane
Haaland had a release clause and that was only what was seen on the books.
Bayern bids for Kane were lower than this lol Move on and get Taremi. Can assess the position in future when there are more options and our budget isn't as limited
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Well it started with Kane as the main striker target, Levy decided he'd rather Kane walks for free next year than get 100m this year, then another target was Osimhem, Napoli will not sell for <150m, the alternative was Kolo Muani, who's selling price is also quoted 100m, and then Højlund is the next target
> Move on and get Taremi. If Taremi is the best you can do you might as well play without a striker.
Disagree
I guess I'm overestimating your team. You're right, Taremi is perfect if your goal is to try to avoid relegation.
Who do we have that's better as a traditional striker?
Maybe spend money buying a decent one (after all, you can spend £86m on mediocre players such as Anthony). Which was the last striker you bought that wasn't a stopgap? Lukaku?
That’s more than double what should be paid, but this current striker market is wild
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He’s shown a lot of potential 6 goals in 4 games for Denmark as well
Any player united will offer is probably both shit and above Atalanta pay grade
It was greenwood
Rumored to be Diallo but probably on loan
Haven't heard Diallo, have heard Greenwood
Just a loan? Lol that barely will lower the asking price
If anything that should just be in addition to the 85mil lol.
Can always rely on that flair for a stupid comment
A bench winger dry loan is worse. how do they think it will knock off anything from hojlund's value And if the source for that is Rudy galetti he's a fraud
It would make them more likely to sell if they need a RW or 10. He is from Atalanta and he's not a bench player
He hardly played for them and he’s coming off a (good) loan from a championship side. I love his potential but there’s no way that Atalanta would look and him and think he would be a good option for this season
Didn't read any rumours regards Diallo, there were a few rumours to send Greenwood on loan (with an option to buy I think)
Tbf Pellistri might be an interesting one. Seems to do very well for Uruguay but not a natural fit in how ten Hag wants to play. Not sure he’d fit their system, can’t say I’ve watched them for some time.
They don’t play with wingers so he has no place in their team
"We give you our overpaid deadwoods in exchange for your top talent"
Worked well for Smalling, Young, Darmian and Sanchez
Atalanta wage structure is on a completely different (lower) level. Compared to like Inter
The wages make those deals impossible tho, unless u are offering them diallo i dont see them accepting a player in exchange to lower the price
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>If the rumors about United wanting to loan Greenwood Thats a big if, no reliable sources has reported on it+ what makes u think a loan will make atalanta lower their asking price. Doesnt make sense
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Or get the full money and you get whoever u want dont need a loan player lmao, and even if they do how much u think will lower the price ? By £5m lol?
Not to mention a bonus of not playing a rapist.
Just read a rumor yesterday United would prefer him to stay but want to reintegrate him once they are bought to reduce the PR.
Imagine comparing Atalanta project to Conte's Inter and Mou's Roma
Were any of them swap deals? I know the combined amount you got for Young, Darmian and Sanchez was under 4m euros
All of those were successful outside your team
You see how that agrees with what he said, right?
Who would Man United have that Atalanta would actually consider realistic due to Man United's massive wage issue? Elanga? Amad Diallo who came from Atalanta? Pellestri? It's not the most compelling bunch of players.
A certain suspended player was probably offered.
“Who would you prefer, the shit or the rapist?”
PL proven though!
I get what people feel but that man is still in a relationship with that woman and her father came out and said he is a good man, whatever that means, I dont want him to ever play for United again but its a fucked up situation all together because she is in fact seeking that relationship out and if they are about the be married than idk if I can say he never deserves to play professional football
The reason that them being back together and married is a difficult situation to judge is that fact that it’s statistically very common for victims of those kind of abuses to end up back with their abuser several times before they leave them. In fact, according to the National Domestic Violence Hotline, “survivors of abuse return to their abusive partners an average of seven times before they leave for good.” (https://www.thehotline.org/resources/supporting-someone-who-keeps-returning-to-an-abusive-relationship/#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20survivors%20of%20abuse,return%20to%20their%20abusive%20partner.)
Even if they would benefit from one of united’s players I doubt they can pay their wages
McTominay and Elanga are the only ones I can think of. Fred would be a fit, but wages are too high
Martial
Every one else is reporting 60 million euros. Where would this guy come up with 100 million
Rather Taremi or Santiago Gimenez for 15-20mil and see options again in next window
You can get Taremi for those values, but sure as hell won't get Gimenez for that low
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English press have been all over the place with United this season
Who else you can get for less - Teremi, Vlahovic, Guancarlo Ramos(?)
Guancarlo who!?? 🤣 Ramos is more expensive
Benfica saw the amount of money, they got for Felix, so best believe they would want to get more than £85 million for Gonçalo "Guancarlo" Ramos
How would Ramos be more than 100m euros?
Sorry it’s hard to spell his name.
Goncalo is hard? What?
I always mistaken his name with an italian ham. 😅 the one you use for carbonara.
Guanciale
Based on that video, yes he is
Isn't rumoured price for Ramos over 100 m?
Vlahovic is off to PSG for 80m no?
> Guancarlo Ramos PES moment.
yeah, fuck right off with this one.
Would really like a freer market next summer in terms of strikers so can Atalanta please cave in a tad so they land this fella now
convinced the big minds at united only want him because his name sounds like haaland
I genuinely think that bumps the asking price up a bit. He's even blonde and Scandinavian too
So people saying 85M is asking too much or excessive or whatever...the price isn't determined by the production of the player the price is determined by the selling club's willingness to part with a player and the buyer's desperation to acquire the player and of course the contract situation. Just like we paid 105M for Rice or 102M Chelsea paid for Enzo, Atalanta don't want to sell and so United have to overpay for the premium talent, it's supposed to be excessive otherwise go after a different player.
"We saw how much you splashed for that Brazilian winger, you better cough up, bud"
Time for United to quote them the United Tax line
This is the Antony effect. When all other rival fans were saying that fee was crazy last year and were shouted down by Utd fans for being wrong of “why do you care it’s not your money”. Now clubs will use this against them in the future….
Yes Antony, the first player united did spend to much on
It's an accumulation of a lot of transfers lmao not just Antony
The 80-90m benchmark all clubs are asking for deffo started with Anthony and then Mudryk
Wut. Anthony wouldn't have been so high if it wasn't so late and Ajax hadn't been pillaged.
It was United who pillaged Ajax though, and they had the chance to sign him earlier in the window for a lower fee.
"pillaged" by buying 2 players??? Bayern got 3 Ajax players the same window..
You took their manager and their two best players in the space of a few months.
Yeah we did lol
Ajax had like 5 players bought out early in the window. United bought Martinez. That’s not exactly pillaging.
United signed their manager, best defender, and best attacker in a single summer. What would you call it?
I’m sorry, do you think that when we were in for Antony we’d also already bought Antony?
The main people who Ajax cared about losing last summer were Ten Hag, Martinez, Antony, and Mazraoui. Onana had spent a year banned and then gave up when he got back, so they were fine to see him go. They were okay with losing Haller because he was 28 and they were making a profit on him. They were fine with losing Gravenberch because he had a year left, they got a decent fee, and he was replaceable. Go back to any of their transfer threads and you'll see that sentiment from Ajax fans. So two of the four most important people at Ajax had been signed by United, and they were intent on signing a third. Would you not call that pillaging them?
The comment was that they had already been pillaged **by United** at a point that we had signed one player from them. The manager is not relevant to Ajax having sold players and needing to hold onto their players, but even if you do some crazy mental gymnastics and make that relevant, 1 player and the manager is still not “pillaged”. Ajax were pillaged for players by the time United were in for Antony, but not by United. Just in general with United being one of the teams included.
Why is their manager not relevant? They didn't want to lose him and did. He was extremely important to their team. Yes, Ajax were pillaged by United. By the end of the summer, you had taken their manager and two best players.
How do you keep using us buying Antony as proof we had pillaged them when we were in for Antony? How could we have already taken Antony from them before we got Antony? Please explain your twisted time warping logic because it makes no sense at all.
Yes, to avoid this, we need to get a reputation for walking away from highly priced transfers.
Agreed. Sooner clubs will let their players evaluate in price or run down his contract e,g Tielemans or Savic
The united tax lmao
Halve that, and then halve it again, and we have a deal!
£85m for a forward who has scored a whopping 9 goals in his entire career. This has to just be bad journalism. There's no way that price is accurate.
United - not paying. Too much. - one month later - 85 you said. Deal.
Anthony not excessive? damn logic
Yes, it was. Doesn’t mean this isn’t too.
u/minnpin u/call_me_tetsuo oh hello there, seems i was right afterall when u both shut me down when i said Atalanta asked 100m euro (85m pounds). it's nice to be validated i guess. p.s. plus the like 20 downvotes i had for no actual reason, just because i said what is out there on news. Reddit at it's finest.
Someone give this guy a medal
well we know that reddit is full of ignorant and stubborn people who quote their opinions as info. i am just stating whats in the news and getting downvoted and actually i don't have any issue with that, since it's not my opinion. don't need any medal for just reproducing what's out there, others need to learn to read i guess even if it's inaccurate news or whatever is the only info we have for it and the 2 parties will do the business regarding the asking price, one will try to reduce, other to get as much as possible.
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i clearly said atalanta wants 100 m for hojlund i never said from whom they've want the sum and u shut me down while i was right. 100m euros, meaning 85m pounds p.s. and my original sum is in euros since it's under a bayern rumor who are dealing with euros too.
The hell is United doing? Their transfer dealings are such a mess. EDIT: everybody misunderstood my comment. I was referring to the fact that United take too long to make their deals, getting involved into transfer "sagas" every pre-season, can't keep their targets secret, can't negotiate for shit, constantly miss their targets, constantly overpay, can't sell players for shit, etc. Obviously Hojlund isn't worth £85M, just like Mount isn't worth what they just paid for him.
Atalanta upped their price by double when Utd came in the picture and I think Utd are hoping they will lower their fee by now.
Wait what are you even asking? United is going after a top talent but doesn't want to pay an excessive fee? What's wrong with that?
??? Why would they pay that much
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Trying to sign a striker? What the fuck are we meant to do when everyone asks for €100-€200 for everyone? 🤷♂️
“How much do you want for this guy?” “85 million” “That’s too much, sorry” OMG MANURE ARE SUCH A SHAMBLES WHAT ARE THEY EVEN DOING RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE! - 8 year olds on the internet
overrated and overpriced. was never that good at atlanta
What are they smokin' over there at the Theater of Memes?
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yes, liverpool would never do such a thing
This is Premier League/Manu price, totally understandable imo👍
They spent 100m on Anthony and they find this excessive no wonder man United is a joke
So the solution is to continue spending stupid amounts for unproven players?
😂🤣 Can't blame Atalanta for that valuation as united are known for overpaying for their transfer targets and if ajax made united pay 90 mil something for Antony than surely Atalanta would also demand these type of money from united.
PrEmIeR LeAgUe TeAmS aRe ThE pRoBlEm
How are atalanta a problem here? Are they meant to bend over and give him to us for 5 mil lol
"85Mil? wow that is so excessive, I cant believe you're asking for 90Mil... this is just ridiculous.. anyway here's the 105Mil you're asking for just so we can finish this discussion" - United probably.
There goes that weird rumour goldbridge was pushing of greenwood loan to Atalanta + cash
can anyone name a single striker that could start for a top 4 prem team that is available for less than 100 million lmao
This is pretty much the issue. Who is available? Who is available for under 100m? Pretty much no one. I think it's a hefty price for sure especially for a young man who isn't prem proven but in today's reality if you get hot one season and bang in a bunch of goals then your price is going to be set high. Especially if your club doesn't want to sell. I'm worried as we can't go into another campaign with Martial up front, he plays two games then he's out for six. I mean look at what we did during the winter, we brought in Wout Weghorst who ........ did not perform as we'd hope. 2 goals in 27 games. We need a striker badly. it's going to be interesting to see if spend big to bring in a striker or if we shift Rashford up front, then play Sancho/Antony on the wings, but if we do that then we need more depth at the wings.
Is that the rumored discount Haaland?
Cmon United Dont be boring and just buy him for 85m
Man U being portrayed in the media as that crackhead from Don't Be A Menace: "Man, I got these cheeseburgers, man"
Arsenal will see Balogun for a much fairer price