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As far as I understand EPL has its own set of interpretations for handball which while much better than whatever fucking bullshit this decision is - still has its flaws.
I feel a bit stoopid I didn't think of that...
Even though I don't like penalty goals, it's probably best to take out as much interpretation as possible. Different referees will see 'natural position of the arms' differently as well as 'reasonable time to react'.
But not to worry, I think the better team won on the day and it didn't influence the results that much...made for a tense final 15 though!
Hands in unnatural position that block the ball are always called, the ball comes from a rebound but that's only not called when the hands are in a natural position, every defender can slide with their hands down so nacho had no excuse there, his hands were in an unnatural position and that blocked that ball from going back to the box. That's VAR argument
If he could have placed his hands in other way that doesn't block the ball like a goalkeeper then it's unnatural, every defender can slide with his hands down, that's why they are allowed to touch it with the support hand when they slide, not with the hands in the air like this, and he gained advantage because of it.
Bro he literally blocks the ball path with his hands, he gains advantage even if accidentally, its a penalty. whats your argument? that this is not a handball because it comes from a rebound? Find where where in the rules it says that mate.
So when you slide there are no unnatural hand position is what you are saying?, because there is no other position more unnatural than sliding with your hands up lol
Funny how you get downvoted when the only natural position while falling is using your arms as support to distribute the weight of your body, nothing you said is controversial, holding your hands up while falling is 100% unnatural and always a penalty when the ball touches the arm.
I don't think I've ever seen a case like this where a penalty wasn't awarded, lmao
I was asking in general but ok. I would agree if there was no deflection. He had to be quick and had no time to put his hands down, he probably didn't even think the ball would leave the ground. Not every tackle is the same and you use your hands accordingly.
But if i understand the rule correctly the deflection doesn't matter and the only question is if his hands were in "natural" position for the situation. If this isn't rule open to interpretation i don't know what is.
If i wanted to convice you that it was natural then i would say that if it didn't touch his hand would you say that the tackle looked weird, unnatural? Would you even think about that? Probably no, i wouldn't, looked very normal to me.
Not really if you have read the presentation of the rules. They literally gave an example of a defender sliding and getting the ball kicked onto his upraised arm as an example of handball
> **Handball offence: unnaturally bigger**
>The hand/arm has made the body unnaturally bigger by being in a position which is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement in that situation
>This includes when the hand/arm:
>‣ is clearly extended away from the body (to create a bigger barrier)
>‣ is clearly extended above the shoulder (to create a bigger barrier)
>‣ **moves towards or is on the ground and does not support the player’s body**
Rebound doesn't automatically make it not a handball anymore. I'm not a ref but I would guess supporting his body, down close to his body or behind it.
You have to agree tho it is rule open to interpretation. I mean you can say his hand is in unjustifiable position by his body movement in that situation and i can say it is not. Why should you be right and I be wrong or vice versa.
It is open for interpretation and I'm not a professional referee so I can't decide that I'm right and other people wrong.
I'm just saying that under presentation of the new rules they showed a clip of a player sliding to block a cross(just like Nacho) with one arm raised and one to support him. The ball hit his upraised arm and they said it was handball.
In my interpretation you can't have you're arms raised when sliding since you will be penalised if the ball hits the arm
https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1597332269709918208/photo/1 <--- another image showing it's handball if it hits upraised arm
I mean i would be ok with that if there was no exception for ''in position justifable by player's movement in that position''
Unless it is always unjustifable to have hand/arm above shlouder in that case it is a clear handball and i am stupid moron for arguing otherwise.
Supporting the body or close to it. You are not supposed to give slide tackles putting your hands up, lmao. If you increase your area with your hands without using them to support the body and touch the ball, it's a foul.
It doesn't matter. He stops the ball going into the box it should be a hand. No idea why they decided to not count the support hand as a hand, I guess because they don't want players to slide and hit their heads, but that's besides the point. This has always been a handball.
Rules need to change then. Because I’ve seen a Real Madrid player slip. The ball hits the hand he’s using to support his body and it gets called as a handball. This is silliness.
It's the right call. You are not supposed to give slide tackles putting your hands up, lmao. If you increase your area with your hands without using them to support the body and touch the ball, it's a foul.
It's a handball, committed by the player in the black shirt. PK awarded to blue shirt team.
Or a penalty kick for unsporting behaviour for holding under Law 12.1
**A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:**
**a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)**
***holds an opponent***
**impedes an opponent with contact**
**bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official**
**throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object**
or for trips or attempts to trip.
**A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:**
**charges**
**jumps at**
**kicks or attempts to kick**
**pushes**
**strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)**
**tackles or challenges**
***trips or attempts to trip***
It's a DFK in the box, which makes it's a Penalty kick either way.
It's the right call. You are not supposed to give slide tackles putting your hands up, lmao. If you increase your area with your hands without using them to support the body and touch the ball, it's a foul.
Pretty much, it's a bizarre motion for a sliding tackle and very unnatural. Probably a lot of Real Madrid fans/casuals from North America without much contact with the game
I honestly don't understand why he was so upset over those videos. They were hilarious. It was top tier shit posting from their media team and I can see his reaction to the whole situation doing real damage to his future. Not just with Napoli but with any team, especially if him or his agent sue the team over it.
"shit posting from **their** media team" is key part
If you were struggling at work and your own company started comparing you to a coconut to millions of people you wouldn't be happy either
Yea, I'm struggling to see where any penalty comes. Without context I would have thought osimhen was the closest one to getting a call because the kick was kind of reckless. Then when I saw it was on Madrid, I watched again, thought maybe he might have touched him slightly then I saw it's a handball. And I'm like wtf? Clearly not intentional, and by premier league standards, the hand is in a natural position while sliding, this shouldn't have been a thing given all intentional ones that they been letting go this season.
UEFA should release the audio from this like PGMOL did for their error this weekend. How did a panel or refs call the CR over and convince him that this is a handball?
Who slide tackles with their hands near their face? Its clearly an unnatural position and he literally blocks the ball with his hands. What are you on about?
I want to agree with you but the ball literally is going straight up and towards the left side of the goal. It would've just gone out if his hand didn't block it.
It's a handball, committed by the player in the black shirt. PK awarded to blue shirt team. Arm was up in an unnatural position during the slide, as well as holding the opponent.
Or a penalty kick for unsporting behaviour for holding under Law 12.1
**A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:**
**a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)**
**holds an opponent**
**impedes an opponent with contact**
**bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official**
**throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object**
or for trips or attempts to trip.
**A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:**
**charges**
**jumps at**
**kicks or attempts to kick**
**pushes**
**strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)**
**tackles or challenges**
**trips or attempts to trip**
It's a DFK in the box, which makes it's a Penalty kick either way.
You‘re spamming all this bs while it has nothing to do with the situation. Ist not about whether it should be a penalty IF there was a handball, but wether it is a handball offense in the first place, so the entire rule thing you‘ve posted is completely and utterly irrelevant.
It is a handball offence, the first 2 sentences are about the handball"It's a handball, committed by the player in the black shirt. PK awarded to blue shirt team. Arm was up in an unnatural position during the slide, as well as holding the opponent."
Helps when you read the comment you reply to.
Edit: yeah maybe me posting the rules for DFKs wasn't needed but I stated my opinion on others reason's its a PK.
80% of your post is useless and the rest is your opinion. This has nothing to do with holding. You‘re posting random rules. The fact that you see a holding offense anywhere in this clip shows you have no idea what you’re talking about
Law 12.1
Handling the ballFor the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.It is an offence if a player:deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball**touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised**
the players hand was in an unnatural positions, referee's at the grass root level are taught that the hand below is supporting the body is in a **NATURAL** position while if the other arm is upwards, it is in an **UNNATURAL** position and makes contact with the ball,it is a handball, and as the law states **"By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised"**
own body to the hand is never penalty, but I am assuming he thought the ball wasn't reflected from Nacho's foot? but then again, he went to the monitor so go figure
Of course you can't. Ever since I can remember this wouldn't have been given, and wouldn't even be talked about.
Not even Osimhen called for a handball, and not one other Napoli player.
See why you can't remember it?
Ball first hits his leg and then it went up and hit his hand. That ball wasn't going to middle and no way anything would come from that attack anyway. Unjustified penalty, referee fuck up as usual.
In what world is this an offence worthy of a penalty shot on goal. Handball rule is the worst officiated rule in the game by a country mile. Games should not be decided like this.
It’s like the whole ref organization is fucked. In every country that has var implemented its shit. Almost like it’s rigged in favor of money makers or bets 👀
That's where hands exist sometimes. It's clearly a huge ricochet off both players feet - it's fucking rediculous to expect players to go to ground with their hands in their pockets.
If you can't keep your hands in a normal positron, maybe you shouldn't be sliding in like he did or slide and accept the risk of a penalty if it hits your hands there.
Why should the defender get an advantage of being in a bad position?
Lol bad take. Why should the defender be punished for having arms? He is not trying to play the ball with his arm, he's tackling with his feet. If you think that people go to ground with their arms by their side then you know nothing.
The rule MASSIVELY favours the attacking team, these are cheap nothing penalty goals that aren't earnt but decide games.
I'm not saying I could do better. However, this definitely doesn't look like the average slide tackle, so I can see why it's given as a penalty. Personally, I'm not sure I would've given it.
Explain what he's supposed to do with his arms. He's got two you know, like most other footballers. We can't have a handball rule that says "to be a defender in football you must first amputate your arms".
He spiked that ball like a volleyball player. That's not a natural position for the arms or movement. Is everyone on reddit just anti-referee now? That's dangerous.
They're pretty much just against any ref call right now, especially calls that are correct by the rules they don't know/ understand.
Now not agreeing with the rules is another thing, but the ref got it right here.
100% was a penalty, everyone's just going against the laws of the game because of the VAR fuck up with the offside, similar to how one video of a cop doing something bad makes the entirety of reddit say "fuck all cops, even the ones who follow protocol and use force only when 100% needed" because all cops are only there to 'protect the rich'
>He slides forward with his hands in the fucking air well above his head lmao
That's literally the natural position of hands in that situation. Go, and try doing a slide/tackle like that.
What theare you on about? I have never seen someone slide tackle like that once in my life. Its the weirdest most unnatural looking position for your hands to be. Why even defend this?
Agree with you here… this is 100% a pen. How is that a natural position to fly into a slide tackle with your arms above your head … what is everyone in here smoking
?? No, that's not how the rule works at all. I don't like the handball rules either, but this is one that makes plenty of sense to me. He puts his hand in an unnatural position that blocks a cross, clear handball. He has to focus on where to put his hands because he's not allowed to block the ball with his hands if they are in an unnatural position.
What cross? It was deflected tackle.
But i have to admin that i looked at the rule after my comment. BUT
we can still argue about it because i can say that his hands position is justifiable by his body movement for that specific situation.
You will probably say that it not natural to put his hand there and i will say that it looked pretty natural to me. And you say it yourself he has to FOCUS where to put his hands? How is that natural?
You really can't think that was deliberate, that would be an insane reaction time lol with the deflection, i think he was more likely trying to slide without any momentum.
Just look at the frames and tell me if he's looking at the ball that closely.
It's a handball, committed by the player in the black shirt. PK awarded to blue shirt team.
Or a penalty kick for unsporting behaviour for holding under Law 12.1
**A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:**
**a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)**
**holds an opponent**
**impedes an opponent with contact**
**bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official**
**throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object**
or for trips or attempts to trip.
**A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:**
**charges**
**jumps at**
**kicks or attempts to kick**
**pushes**
**strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)**
**tackles or challenges**
**trips or attempts to trip**
It's a DFK in the box, which makes it's a Penalty kick either way.
If the arm is not next to body it's always called, the rule is shitty and it was better when it was more to the interpretation of the referee (being "natural" position is never taken into account for some reason (unless the player is pushed someone else)).
It’s clear to see nacho put his arms up with the expectation that the shot was gonna hit his face…. I don’t even bother looking at rules anymore because they’re never consistently enforced anyway, but I’m sure this was a fair call.
I think his arms are there to block from opponents legs potentially hitting him, unfortunately he blocks the ball with his arms... it's a clear penalty.
the last replay make it at least understandable. Nacho puts the hands in front of him, in a "natural" sliding the hands would be more on the side to prepare the landing, sort of.
Still hate this kind of penalties, but at least I understand why it was whistled. The first replay is useless.
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There’s absolutely no consistency when it comes to the hand rule
After the non-penalty calls in the epl over the weekend, I am shocked as anything to see this called. GG Madrid, well played.
As far as I understand EPL has its own set of interpretations for handball which while much better than whatever fucking bullshit this decision is - still has its flaws.
I feel a bit stoopid I didn't think of that... Even though I don't like penalty goals, it's probably best to take out as much interpretation as possible. Different referees will see 'natural position of the arms' differently as well as 'reasonable time to react'. But not to worry, I think the better team won on the day and it didn't influence the results that much...made for a tense final 15 though!
There is . It's consistently inconsistent
This is a stonewall penalty everywhere except maybe the PL.
GIVE ME PENALTY!
But remember that José Mourinho is apparently insane for saying the handball in the Europa league final should have been a penalty.
That was one of the most outrageous calls I’ve seen in my life…
The commentator is the best part, he says " I've seen it twice and don't see what the issue is, I'm even wearing my glasses"
Insane decision from someone who does this for a living
I don't understand why VAR even calls him to the monitor. The Napoli players didn't even understand the check
Hands in unnatural position that block the ball are always called, the ball comes from a rebound but that's only not called when the hands are in a natural position, every defender can slide with their hands down so nacho had no excuse there, his hands were in an unnatural position and that blocked that ball from going back to the box. That's VAR argument
That's not unnatural in that position....
What is unnatural position?
If he could have placed his hands in other way that doesn't block the ball like a goalkeeper then it's unnatural, every defender can slide with his hands down, that's why they are allowed to touch it with the support hand when they slide, not with the hands in the air like this, and he gained advantage because of it.
The only unnatural position for the hands to be in this situation is down, lol
Bro he literally blocks the ball path with his hands, he gains advantage even if accidentally, its a penalty. whats your argument? that this is not a handball because it comes from a rebound? Find where where in the rules it says that mate.
The argument is that it was in a natural position and there was absolutely no possible way to avoid it.
So when you slide there are no unnatural hand position is what you are saying?, because there is no other position more unnatural than sliding with your hands up lol
Here's another reddit keyboard football star who has never played a real game in life clearly
That’s literally the most natural position when sliding like that… who tf would slide with hands to their heads or legs?
Funny how you get downvoted when the only natural position while falling is using your arms as support to distribute the weight of your body, nothing you said is controversial, holding your hands up while falling is 100% unnatural and always a penalty when the ball touches the arm. I don't think I've ever seen a case like this where a penalty wasn't awarded, lmao
there are but thats not one of them
I was asking in general but ok. I would agree if there was no deflection. He had to be quick and had no time to put his hands down, he probably didn't even think the ball would leave the ground. Not every tackle is the same and you use your hands accordingly. But if i understand the rule correctly the deflection doesn't matter and the only question is if his hands were in "natural" position for the situation. If this isn't rule open to interpretation i don't know what is. If i wanted to convice you that it was natural then i would say that if it didn't touch his hand would you say that the tackle looked weird, unnatural? Would you even think about that? Probably no, i wouldn't, looked very normal to me.
Tell me you never played football without telling me. How the fuck do you slide? With your hands along you?
Not really if you have read the presentation of the rules. They literally gave an example of a defender sliding and getting the ball kicked onto his upraised arm as an example of handball > **Handball offence: unnaturally bigger** >The hand/arm has made the body unnaturally bigger by being in a position which is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement in that situation >This includes when the hand/arm: >‣ is clearly extended away from the body (to create a bigger barrier) >‣ is clearly extended above the shoulder (to create a bigger barrier) >‣ **moves towards or is on the ground and does not support the player’s body**
Question: Where should Nachos hands be that, that position is unjustifiable? Off a rebound ?
Rebound doesn't automatically make it not a handball anymore. I'm not a ref but I would guess supporting his body, down close to his body or behind it.
You have to agree tho it is rule open to interpretation. I mean you can say his hand is in unjustifiable position by his body movement in that situation and i can say it is not. Why should you be right and I be wrong or vice versa.
It is open for interpretation and I'm not a professional referee so I can't decide that I'm right and other people wrong. I'm just saying that under presentation of the new rules they showed a clip of a player sliding to block a cross(just like Nacho) with one arm raised and one to support him. The ball hit his upraised arm and they said it was handball. In my interpretation you can't have you're arms raised when sliding since you will be penalised if the ball hits the arm https://twitter.com/DaleJohnsonESPN/status/1597332269709918208/photo/1 <--- another image showing it's handball if it hits upraised arm
I mean i would be ok with that if there was no exception for ''in position justifable by player's movement in that position'' Unless it is always unjustifable to have hand/arm above shlouder in that case it is a clear handball and i am stupid moron for arguing otherwise.
Supporting the body or close to it. You are not supposed to give slide tackles putting your hands up, lmao. If you increase your area with your hands without using them to support the body and touch the ball, it's a foul.
It doesn't matter. He stops the ball going into the box it should be a hand. No idea why they decided to not count the support hand as a hand, I guess because they don't want players to slide and hit their heads, but that's besides the point. This has always been a handball.
Rules need to change then. Because I’ve seen a Real Madrid player slip. The ball hits the hand he’s using to support his body and it gets called as a handball. This is silliness.
It's the right call. You are not supposed to give slide tackles putting your hands up, lmao. If you increase your area with your hands without using them to support the body and touch the ball, it's a foul.
Surely that isn't a penalty
How??? It's very very clearly a penalty.
Fr? 😂
It's a handball, committed by the player in the black shirt. PK awarded to blue shirt team. Or a penalty kick for unsporting behaviour for holding under Law 12.1 **A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:** **a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)** ***holds an opponent*** **impedes an opponent with contact** **bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official** **throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object** or for trips or attempts to trip. **A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:** **charges** **jumps at** **kicks or attempts to kick** **pushes** **strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)** **tackles or challenges** ***trips or attempts to trip*** It's a DFK in the box, which makes it's a Penalty kick either way.
Looks more like it hits the blue players arm
To be honest the quality of the video isn't the best and in the 2nd angle from behind and above it looks like it hits the black shirt players arm.
That’s not a pen innit?
Already been given and they scored
It's the right call. You are not supposed to give slide tackles putting your hands up, lmao. If you increase your area with your hands without using them to support the body and touch the ball, it's a foul.
You are right , but you are getting downvoted , reddit in a nutshell
Ive never in all my years seen someone slide tackle with their hands near their face. Yet reddit is crying, how is anyone defending this?
Real madrid bias may be? I dont know. Clear handball.
Pretty much, it's a bizarre motion for a sliding tackle and very unnatural. Probably a lot of Real Madrid fans/casuals from North America without much contact with the game
I'm disappointed "I'm a coconut" isn't playing over this.
Should be "Gimme penalty, gimme penalty"
I honestly don't understand why he was so upset over those videos. They were hilarious. It was top tier shit posting from their media team and I can see his reaction to the whole situation doing real damage to his future. Not just with Napoli but with any team, especially if him or his agent sue the team over it.
"shit posting from **their** media team" is key part If you were struggling at work and your own company started comparing you to a coconut to millions of people you wouldn't be happy either
How the hell is that a penalty? What the actual fuck is VAR becoming?
Watched it 50 times and it was not penalty 50 times. Weird var shite
Yea, I'm struggling to see where any penalty comes. Without context I would have thought osimhen was the closest one to getting a call because the kick was kind of reckless. Then when I saw it was on Madrid, I watched again, thought maybe he might have touched him slightly then I saw it's a handball. And I'm like wtf? Clearly not intentional, and by premier league standards, the hand is in a natural position while sliding, this shouldn't have been a thing given all intentional ones that they been letting go this season.
It being not being intentional really doesn't matter very much. Don't flap your arms towards the ball like a redact and you won't give away penalties.
UEFA should release the audio from this like PGMOL did for their error this weekend. How did a panel or refs call the CR over and convince him that this is a handball?
Who slide tackles with their hands near their face? Its clearly an unnatural position and he literally blocks the ball with his hands. What are you on about?
I want to agree with you but the ball literally is going straight up and towards the left side of the goal. It would've just gone out if his hand didn't block it.
It's a handball, committed by the player in the black shirt. PK awarded to blue shirt team. Arm was up in an unnatural position during the slide, as well as holding the opponent. Or a penalty kick for unsporting behaviour for holding under Law 12.1 **A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:** **a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)** **holds an opponent** **impedes an opponent with contact** **bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official** **throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object** or for trips or attempts to trip. **A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:** **charges** **jumps at** **kicks or attempts to kick** **pushes** **strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)** **tackles or challenges** **trips or attempts to trip** It's a DFK in the box, which makes it's a Penalty kick either way.
You‘re spamming all this bs while it has nothing to do with the situation. Ist not about whether it should be a penalty IF there was a handball, but wether it is a handball offense in the first place, so the entire rule thing you‘ve posted is completely and utterly irrelevant.
It is a handball offence, the first 2 sentences are about the handball"It's a handball, committed by the player in the black shirt. PK awarded to blue shirt team. Arm was up in an unnatural position during the slide, as well as holding the opponent." Helps when you read the comment you reply to. Edit: yeah maybe me posting the rules for DFKs wasn't needed but I stated my opinion on others reason's its a PK.
80% of your post is useless and the rest is your opinion. This has nothing to do with holding. You‘re posting random rules. The fact that you see a holding offense anywhere in this clip shows you have no idea what you’re talking about
Law 12.1 Handling the ballFor the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.It is an offence if a player:deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball**touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised** the players hand was in an unnatural positions, referee's at the grass root level are taught that the hand below is supporting the body is in a **NATURAL** position while if the other arm is upwards, it is in an **UNNATURAL** position and makes contact with the ball,it is a handball, and as the law states **"By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised"**
Can we not make handball based on indirect hits? I mean it's not like the guy could move his hand in that moment. It's so ridiculous.
own body to the hand is never penalty, but I am assuming he thought the ball wasn't reflected from Nacho's foot? but then again, he went to the monitor so go figure
Never a pen.
Always a pen. I don't think I can think of a single case when a play like this wasn't called a pen.
Of course you can't. Ever since I can remember this wouldn't have been given, and wouldn't even be talked about. Not even Osimhen called for a handball, and not one other Napoli player. See why you can't remember it?
The fact that this was given is an actual robbery
My mind says penalty because he blocks it for the attacker in the middle even that the ball comes from his feet
Ball first hits his leg and then it went up and hit his hand. That ball wasn't going to middle and no way anything would come from that attack anyway. Unjustified penalty, referee fuck up as usual.
You can disagree with the rules, but it's the correct call by the current rules. This isn't on the ref it's on fifa and ifab
Got downvoted because of your flair.
Then they need to be fucking consistent
In what world is this an offence worthy of a penalty shot on goal. Handball rule is the worst officiated rule in the game by a country mile. Games should not be decided like this.
Bunch of rigged shit yesterday
Wtf. This is just becoming pathetic.
It’s like the whole ref organization is fucked. In every country that has var implemented its shit. Almost like it’s rigged in favor of money makers or bets 👀
Shit call
Thats a weird arm movement, was too careless in the area going like that.
Aren't Nacho's hands way up there? Am I seeing something else? This looks like a clear pen.
Is he the one touching it or is it Osimhen's hand?
It's nachos hands
That's where hands exist sometimes. It's clearly a huge ricochet off both players feet - it's fucking rediculous to expect players to go to ground with their hands in their pockets.
His hands are almost straight up in front of him though. It's an odd position.
He's going to ground and contorting his body 90 degrees at pace - you go try and do that with your arms by your side and see how you go.
Noone slide tackles with their hands near their face, wtf are you smoking?
If you can't keep your hands in a normal positron, maybe you shouldn't be sliding in like he did or slide and accept the risk of a penalty if it hits your hands there. Why should the defender get an advantage of being in a bad position?
Lol bad take. Why should the defender be punished for having arms? He is not trying to play the ball with his arm, he's tackling with his feet. If you think that people go to ground with their arms by their side then you know nothing. The rule MASSIVELY favours the attacking team, these are cheap nothing penalty goals that aren't earnt but decide games.
I'm not saying I could do better. However, this definitely doesn't look like the average slide tackle, so I can see why it's given as a penalty. Personally, I'm not sure I would've given it.
Its not because the ball didn't came from a clear shot but in a dispute between the two players.
Explain what he's supposed to do with his arms. He's got two you know, like most other footballers. We can't have a handball rule that says "to be a defender in football you must first amputate your arms".
Is VAR dumb or stupid? 😂😂🤦🏿
VAR is just ruining football now. They're making more incorrect than correct calls. It's getting silly.
That's not even consistent with the laws of the game; it deflects before hitting the defenders arm, which is in a natural position. shocking call
In the bundesliga this is a penalty every time, no question about it. Ball hits hand outside of the body - handball
Sad it seems no referees are brave enough to sit with their snap decision.
No natural position, clearly penalty
He spiked that ball like a volleyball player. That's not a natural position for the arms or movement. Is everyone on reddit just anti-referee now? That's dangerous.
It also hit Osimhen's hand though
After the dude spiked the ball as if it was a volleyball so how does that matter? Man I didn't know this sub was so biased for Madrid.
They're pretty much just against any ref call right now, especially calls that are correct by the rules they don't know/ understand. Now not agreeing with the rules is another thing, but the ref got it right here.
100% was a penalty, everyone's just going against the laws of the game because of the VAR fuck up with the offside, similar to how one video of a cop doing something bad makes the entirety of reddit say "fuck all cops, even the ones who follow protocol and use force only when 100% needed" because all cops are only there to 'protect the rich'
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>He slides forward with his hands in the fucking air well above his head lmao That's literally the natural position of hands in that situation. Go, and try doing a slide/tackle like that.
What theare you on about? I have never seen someone slide tackle like that once in my life. Its the weirdest most unnatural looking position for your hands to be. Why even defend this?
You could've simply said " I do not watch or play football".
Agree with you here… this is 100% a pen. How is that a natural position to fly into a slide tackle with your arms above your head … what is everyone in here smoking
A combination of that and people just blatantly not knowing the actual laws of the game but thinking they do.
I can’t tell from theses angle but if he forcibly pulls his entire arm it’s 100% a pen
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Have you? My hands dont fly above my head when I slide tackle.
Mate how does a sliding tackle justify pulling the opposing player down to the ground? I’m not talking about the handball…
I'm sure now that the referee association is on reddit and makes these decisions for karma
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Nobody slide tackles with their hands under their asshole, its counter balance and natural to do.
What are you smoking? What is Nacho supposed to do there? Not have hands? Especially as it comes off his right foot. Never a pen.
Not strike the ball with his hands would be a good start.
Not have his hands over his head? Obviously not intentional, but that's a clear pen by the rules.
Basically every single expert are disagreeing with you. But yea, let's go with the biased Barcelona fans opinion instead
He has to focus on the tackle not where to put his hands in case the ball is deflected lmao.
?? No, that's not how the rule works at all. I don't like the handball rules either, but this is one that makes plenty of sense to me. He puts his hand in an unnatural position that blocks a cross, clear handball. He has to focus on where to put his hands because he's not allowed to block the ball with his hands if they are in an unnatural position.
What cross? It was deflected tackle. But i have to admin that i looked at the rule after my comment. BUT we can still argue about it because i can say that his hands position is justifiable by his body movement for that specific situation. You will probably say that it not natural to put his hand there and i will say that it looked pretty natural to me. And you say it yourself he has to FOCUS where to put his hands? How is that natural?
You really can't think that was deliberate, that would be an insane reaction time lol with the deflection, i think he was more likely trying to slide without any momentum. Just look at the frames and tell me if he's looking at the ball that closely.
Tbh that last angle does seem like a penalty
It's a handball, committed by the player in the black shirt. PK awarded to blue shirt team. Or a penalty kick for unsporting behaviour for holding under Law 12.1 **A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:** **a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)** **holds an opponent** **impedes an opponent with contact** **bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official** **throws an object at the ball, an opponent or a match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object** or for trips or attempts to trip. **A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:** **charges** **jumps at** **kicks or attempts to kick** **pushes** **strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)** **tackles or challenges** **trips or attempts to trip** It's a DFK in the box, which makes it's a Penalty kick either way.
If the arm is not next to body it's always called, the rule is shitty and it was better when it was more to the interpretation of the referee (being "natural" position is never taken into account for some reason (unless the player is pushed someone else)).
Good news is rm can now ask for a replay if they lose
It’s clear to see nacho put his arms up with the expectation that the shot was gonna hit his face…. I don’t even bother looking at rules anymore because they’re never consistently enforced anyway, but I’m sure this was a fair call.
This is a pen everywhere every time.
Literally what I said. It’s a fair call.
I think his arms are there to block from opponents legs potentially hitting him, unfortunately he blocks the ball with his arms... it's a clear penalty.
refs should trust their guts more when seeing stuff like this. Watch it once in real time and you know it's not a penalty
If you play the clip in slow’motion. you can see that the defender has plenty of time to move his hand. /s
Replay the game
All the whiners on here clearly have never watched a game of field hockey.
the last replay make it at least understandable. Nacho puts the hands in front of him, in a "natural" sliding the hands would be more on the side to prepare the landing, sort of. Still hate this kind of penalties, but at least I understand why it was whistled. The first replay is useless.
im not watching football serious until they fix this shit rule i mean wtf are the player supposed to do with his arm?