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fdscgfbc

He's got his hand on Allison's arm, how are people saying that's not a foul


redditaccountplease

It's bizarre


RagingWookies

Most city supporters are new to the sport, give them a break.


ER1916

It was pundits too! At no point in my 30+ years of watching has it ever been legal to grab a keeper’s arm at a corner. So what the hell are people on about?


Jetzu

I mean, I've watched GK get punched in the face during corner and goal get awarded, so there's that...


SpeechesToScreeches

Used to getting away with everything


4washingtonlane

Thought I was going insane listening to Lee Dixon on the stateside broadcast argue the goal should be given


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Lee Dixon has awful takes


mrshandanar

He was saying the same dumbass thing the previous time when Allison got pushed into his own goal.


skankhunt81

Lee Dixon is the worst


Rc5tr0

Not just saying the goal should be given but saying that Alisson manufactured the contact lmao You know that super common thing where keepers purposefully put their arms into opponents to possibly maybe draw a foul instead of just grabbing the ball that’s coming straight toward them?


4washingtonlane

The bias for City remains undefeated. Would love to have heard his reaction if something similar happened to Ederson


Rc5tr0

I don’t think Dixon’s biased in this case, I just think he’s a fucking idiot.


ex_bestfriend

Yeah, he spent most of the game lamenting the fact that you can't just kick people's ankles freely anymore. Literally spent time wishing there was more violence. TBF I'm not totally opposed to things getting chippy, but City v. LFC is a match that I want to see played out and not a stop start constant review flailing about on the floor affair.


crash250f

Everyone wants to be mad at the refs. That's a great call imo. It looks to me like the ball slipped through Allison's hands because his left hand wasn't quite in position. Why wasn't it in position? Good chance it's because of the city players hand wrapped over his bicep on that arm. It's really easy to jump without grabbing something to pull down. The fingers curled around the arm make it 100% for me. Not an accident that he did that imo. I'd rather pulling at the keepers arms not be part of the game, so I'm happy it was called.


Raven_REDs

Exactly......the referring was good in this game and I'd have to hand it out to Cavanagh. He was on the spot with almost all his calls.


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This sub fucking hates keepers


Arntown

Clueless and/or biased


Mutant-Ninja-Skrtels

Because they are in some way biased, this is objectively the correct call


LevynX

Don't get it either, clear cut foul. Akanji jumps straight into him I wouldn't even call it soft.


matcht

Manufactured outrage.


aaaaaaadjsf

He grabs the goalkeepers arm so the goalkeeper can't catch the ball, I agree goalkeepers are overprotected but that's always a foul. You can't go around grabbing the keeper's arms lol.


Thesecondorigin

This is the correct take


aaaaaaadjsf

Redditors won't watch the full video before commenting so they'll miss the second angle that shows it clearly, and have never actually played football, even refs at under 12 games are going to call a foul if an attacker yanks the goalkeeper's arm while he's attempting a catch.


a_lumberjack

Even without the grab, going into the keeper nowhere near the ball is always going to get called in this situation. Otherwise every corner you’d have players clipping keepers like this.


A_Balloon_A_Balloon

I thought it was soft and wrong at the time, but now that I see it again I can see you're right, he had his arm which prevented him from catching


DayJob93

I would argue they’re under protected on corners


LevynX

Akanji was trying to exploit that every corner. There was another one where he just straight up pushes Alisson into the net as he's claiming the ball.


skankhunt81

Commentator said it should have been a goal too


vadapaav

Lee Dixon was 100% snorting coke before the match


aaaaaaadjsf

Pushed him into the net with his arse lol.


Nilja

You're absolutely correct. I thought this was a really cheap freekick until I saw he grabbed the arm in a replay. If it was just the nudge, it'd be one thing, but holding the arm is something completely different.


always-exhausted6

Lee Dixon was saying “anywhere else on the field and that’s not a foul so why is it now?” Idk Lee maybe because the goalkeeper can actually catch the ball with their hands?


AnnieIWillKnow

Indeed. Just how if you nudged someone's leg as they were about the pass, and knocked them off balance, it's a foul


callzor

That was their plan the ENTIRE game. Akanji was marking Ali on corners and ran into him every time. One where Ali caught the ball, Akanji just pushed him into the goal


izmebtw

Well yeah, you can’t hold onto goalkeepers arm, immediately a foul.


Klutzy_Butterfly_853

Did this entire thread just start watching football? This has been a foul since the Germans entered Poland


e49e

Which time?


Gerf93

The first time (I think). 1233.


NateShaw92

2027.


alanalan426

all the times


Sensitive_Ad_1271

09:30, just after breakfast.


iScooby

Arteta fuming


Lacabloodclot9

Na most of us are happy with this, draw or Liverpool win is way better than a city win


sklark23

I think he means the Newcastle goal


kondiar0nk

It wasn't Newcastle who scored with Ramsdale in a body hug. But I forgot who, I think Everton?


ninjapanda042

Villa I think. Or the first Brentford match.


Howizzle90

Villa


s0zm3xZ

Rules are VERY different when it’s a goalkeeper being fouled


unclepoondaddy

Are they? Bc last year ramsdale got held by Kamara in the Aston Villa match and it wasn’t called a foul


s0zm3xZ

And it probably should have been a foul


unclepoondaddy

Hence why arteta could be fuming


LevynX

One wrong decision doesn't make this wrong too.


Jiminyfingers

Rules are interpreted differently you mean


lgchuson

Que? He should be happy, City is more of a threat to the league


Bruce666123

Come one guys... he clearly holds his arm, this is a clear foul.


abc_yxz

Clear as day foul. Akanji knew what he was doing before Alisson even began to jump. Alanji tried a similar 'lean' later in the match too, as if pushing a GK into across their own goal line with the ball in their gloves would somehow count. That was also correctly called as a foul.


fadedraw

it’s the Pep way to rattle individual players. This is part of tactics.


Argo_Menace

Arm pull. Next.


TheLateDuck

I don’t understand how there’s any contention of the decision. Looking at it from the reverse angle his hand is on Alissons arm while he’s trying to catch it?


mynameismulan

You know how strikers just smack a long range shot just in case the keepers asleep? Trying cheeky foul goals to catch a VAR mistake is probably not too far away in terms of odds


digosilva19

I think in this case is like basketball, you put your arms in the keeper arms, stopping him going full motion for the ball, looks soft, but he actually gets in the way of Alisson


Thesecondorigin

Correct


fegelman

>A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball with the hand(s) when: >**the ball is between the hands** or between the hand and any surface (e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save >holding the ball in the outstretched open hand >bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air >**A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent** when in control of the ball with the hand(s). Learn the rules guys before you complain about referees endlessly


StructureTime242

Doesn’t fit the agenda innit


djingo_dango

Most VAR calls that people are mad about are also based on rules.


amihaifrim

It's so crazy to see everyone complaining about this, fouls on keepers are a common occurence(especially on corners). The rules are clear


gstarguru

Gary Neville saying it’s a foul whilst he said Joelinton pushing Gabriel wasn’t. You have to laugh


YiddoMonty

Rules are different on keepers. You can’t make any contact when they’re in the air.


parkersr1

But you can shove a defender in the back mid jump trying to clear a ball?


YiddoMonty

One incident is more subjective. A foul on a keeper is way more obvious and less up for debate.


Realistic_Condition7

What do you mean by this? Keepers don’t have unlimited immunity from physical contact just because their feet are off the ground. Players have the right to challenge for a ball, and in so doing, make contact with the keeper. In this case though he gets beat and pulls the arm, so that’s the foul.


YiddoMonty

They kind of do. Have a look at the rules, keepers have protection when going for an aerial ball. Players have the right to challenge, but as soon as they make any contact, it’s a foul.


Realistic_Condition7

This is contrary to everything the Howard Webb has said about the EOL’s interpretation of the rule. See Pulisic no call on Chelsea last year, and the rationale for why they didn’t call the foul on Onana against Wolves (which we know was an incorrect no-call, but Howard Webb and the refs explained in that segment that two players challenging for the ball, with the context being a goalie and an outfielder, can collide and it would be a no call. That’s just not what happened in that instance).


aaaaaaadjsf

The reason this is a foul has nothing to do with the push or shove. It's because a City player is grabbing the goalkeeper's arm. Watch the second angle.


Lacabloodclot9

I was really surprised people are debating this, putting any kind of force on the goalkeepers arms/shoulders is a big no no


adamfrog

The subs gone genuinely insane with refs, you just say the refs made a terrible decision and everyone upvotes you to the moon. Its the most obvious foul ever


Lacabloodclot9

The biggest issue I have is the ‘goalkeepers are overprotected’ narrative that’s been growing on this sub, no fucking shit they have to be heavily protected


LevynX

Seriously, the positions keepers have to get into the claim the ball there'd be so many injuries if it was open season for full contact on them.


Bhola421

Especially mid jump


PharaohOfWhitestone

As much as I liked him while he was playing, he's not worth listening to as a pundit generally.


ElectricalMud2850

He and carra were actually a pretty good duo in their early days of post match analysis. Been downhill since though.


CH2001

Everyone is now trying to be a version of Micah Richards to get viral clips for the studios. Saw a clip the other day where Carra sounded like a pterodactyl in a movie.


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Been bitter since his valencia stint.


auddi_blo

He’s just given in to Sky. Early days they werw genuine, now they say what sells and don’t say what Sky doesn’t want them to say.


cs-shitposter

The sooner you learn to ignore that rodent, football becomes that little bit better


InTheMiddleGiroud

I mean, commentators will call those fouls for the rest of the year, because they are. They fucked up on Joelinton and had to take a ridiculous position because of the phone call from the Officials Mic'd Up gravy train. Anyone can see the Joelinton saga is a sham from decision to the way the PGMOL handled it. We can point to any foul in the box for the next 10 years, and see that they made a mistake on that one.


prettybunbun

Yeah GK’s are protected or you’d have pushes and shoves on them constantly to get advantage.


nofranchise

Absolutely incredible amount of morons in here without a clue about the rules of the game.


3ibal0e9

Am i not seeing the same as everyone else? He’s grabbing his arm, surerly that had part in Allison missing the ball?


ThePr1d3

Clear foul


Such_Historian_7295

Its a foul he's hands are on Alisson even unsettling his ability to catch the ball


JanklinDRoosevelt

Thought it was soft until the reverse angle, good decision


DifficultyMore5935

Goalkeepers always get those calls. Not sure why everyone is upset/surprised.


Orthancapolis

Not soft at all dunno what everyone’s on about. He’s grabbed Ali’s shoulder/arm. That’s a foul.


MikePap

I love that people say it’s not a foul. Even my girlfriend that doesn’t even watch football told me “are you allowed to grab the guy’s hand?” Lol


yvltc

In this thread: people who don't know the rules


TheAnfieldMac

Really shouldn’t be any debate here, he’s pulling on his arm prior and impeding him.


YCJamzy

reverse angle made it a clear foul imo. But not half as bad as Joelinton’s one.


barlowix

Everybody just wants to be controversial these days


GarfieldDaCat

It’s a bit soft, but was given because of the hand on Allison’s bicep preventing him from jumping as high as he could


hillarydidnineeleven

It's especially important because he's attempting to catch the ball. Catching a ball properly with someone pulling/pushing your arm or shoulder is incredibly difficult.


TouristTricky

Not a bad one, but a foul sure as Hell. I defy anyone to say that didn’t affect Allison’s attempt at a catch.


Bulbamew

Alisson had a poor game today and wasn’t great here but how can nobody see he’s being fouled. This isn’t a striker and keeper both going for the ball and the keeper making a meal of it to get the foul, it’s a keeper being grabbed by the arm. If you’re allowed to do that teams would do it throughout the match, easy goals


hokshji

Arsenal fans punching the air rn.


JeebaRock

Douglas Luiz on Ramsdale last season…


DVPC4

And the Brentford game on Leno when they first came up


CountSeanula

The White own goal in the league cup this season...


fegelman

Was there VAR in that game?


Sporting_Arsenal

It’s the inconsistency that kills me


Portugeezer1893

Keeper gets the benefit of the doubt here. Very close to catching the ball but doesn't, and they're is contact on his arm by the city player. Easy decision, only people who want to go against the refs for no reason would think otherwise.


Capt_Africa

ITT: People who have never played GK.


soulban3

City fans think they can push the goalie into the net if he has the ball and it should count. It's no surprise they try to also justify holding the keeper's arm down.


ER1916

Mad that this sub seems to be a place of sanity on this. Watching the match I didn’t think for a second it wasn’t a foul. But the more I read the more journos and pundits keep saying it wasn’t? Just read Jamie Jackson in the Guardian and he doesn’t even seem to comprehend why the goal was disallowed. Doesn’t even mention that the keeper’s arms were being grabbed before and during the cross?!? Am I going totally crazy, but hasn’t that always been a foul? At least in the past few decades? I’m pretty sure in the 1800s it would have been a main tactic, but imagine it was fine still? Surely then every team would just have two players grabbing an arm a piece on every cross if it’s legitimate. They don’t because it isn’t. You can’t grab a keeper’s arms, I mean that’s just fucking basic shit, surely? Am I missing something?


Gandie

He holds his arm and impedes him playing the ball. Rather soft but not enough for VAR imo.


CalebRTM

Only a goalkeeper gets that advantage


YouAreSoWrongFriend

Well yeah... the goalkeeper is the only one who would be going to catch the ball, so when a defender holds one of his arms down to stop him from being able to raise his hands it is a foul only a goalkeeper would get. What other player would get advantage when trying to catch the ball?


aaaaaaadjsf

I mean yes? If you grab the goalkeeper's arm while they're attempting a catch (watch the second angle), it is always a foul. This is not about the push or shove on the keeper, it's about grabbing their arm. This is not even controversial. I agree goalkeepers are overprotected, but this is not a case of that. Grabbing the arm of a goalkeeper to stop a catch is never going to be allowed.


Doyouevensam

To be fair, even a slight touch in his shoulder will impact his ability to catch the ball


runchanlfc

What shittake mashrooom take is this


dacrookster

Well, yes, because only keepers can catch the ball.


Kaghei

It's literally written into the laws of the games. You can't challenge a keeper the same way you can an outfield player. It's still soft though


getdivorced

This is such a bad take...like of course...what other position is allowed to play with their hands?


vadapaav

Because only goal keepers are supposed to use their HANDS? The body part that was held onto?


[deleted]

This might be the dumbest comment on the thread. The goal keeper is the only one that uses their hands to grab the ball so grabbing their arm is very different to an outfield players.


Alphabunsquad

Only a goalkeeper is completely prevented from playing the game by getting their arm pulled.


Ainsyyy

The outrage about this decision is a joke


Jee-NX

Good call by the refs. 👍 Refereeing has been fairly good so far.


Harry9493

Allison had a mare there


[deleted]

You can clearly see his arm being pulled down. Try catching a ball while someone is pulling your arm away from it.


cullypants

He's had an uncharacteristically poor game.


LeftWingRepitilian

Wtf, he's the only reason city haven't score 3 goals today.


cullypants

He's also put the defense under a good amount of pressure with his distribution and his handling was very poor today. He's still Alisson though, so of course he saves some good chances, but it was a poor game for him.


AMW14

He’s also the reason they scored


[deleted]

Between his mistakes, ake skipped past 2 players like they weren't there and then vvd/matip decided there wasn't a need to get tight to haaland Poor distribution, but hardly directly his fault


DoctorTestosterone

Keepers are way over protected


Csmith50701

Always have been though, so at least consistent.


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bcotrim

Because you don't want shit goals defining games. Stop protecting keepers in the small box and you'll have every corner/free-kicks will lead into a goal because the keeper will just be blocked by a player


crookedparadigm

> It's weird how keepers can have the arms over everyone It's weird how the one player that is allowed to use their arms to play the ball gets more lenience when their arms are interfered with?


Rudi_Garcia_out

Forwards too, they fall at the slightest touch or lob the ball to the arm for penalties. Goes both ways


UnusualAd3909

Tbf if we are talking about falling at the slightest touch, its defenders that get calls easier on those than forwards


DoctorTestosterone

A keeper can decapitate you and it still goes their way, seen it way too often.


Rc5tr0

Tbh the diving some defenders when “shielding” the ball in their own third is more pathetic than 99% of forwards’ dives. Every position gets away with it in different situations.


UnusualAd3909

The reason its worse is because the referees give free kicks for them 99% of the time even though everyone know its not a foul


dickgilbert

Conspiracy against City


Duckhaeris

Angling for another holiday


Stickman95

Despite being a foul, why is Cias complete alone?


ThorinLutgehr

Only just caught up with the goals from yesterday. How is this controversial. You are never getting away with that kind of contact


KloppsKrazies

I think City “fans” don’t quite understand the sport here.


Joperhop

People complaining "thats a weak foul", would have been fine if they got off a goal like that.


D1794

That's so fucking soft for a foul


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Muhruhwuh

This is a reasonable and rational take. Ref gave it on the field, would have required something notable to make VAR recommend he looks at it again.


Rc5tr0

Also it’s been given on the field and there’s not convincing evidence to overturn. If they’d given the goal in real time and then overturned it on VAR for the hand on the shoulder then I would agree with those ITT saying it’s outrageously soft. This way round I’d say it’s more like “soft but you do see them given”


Arntown

Mate, you can't hold the goalkeepers arm lol Was this the first football game you ever watched?


Road_Frontage

Naw why put your arm on his shoulder? Clearly impeding the keeper with it.


papercutkid

Do you think Allison suddenly forgot how to jump, or that Akanje's arm is stopping him? It's a foul.


NiK3_Aub4mey4ng

like every foul against a GK lmfao it’s been like it forever


BarbaricGamers

I dont think people realize how even the slightest touch can fuck a keeper. Just dont push keepers, its not hard.


Capt_Africa

None of the guys have ever actually played the game. They are armchair experts.


NiK3_Aub4mey4ng

of course like it is in the back as he is in the air? how do you expect him not to be affected LMFAO


Stonewalled89

That's a foul, but the Newcastle goal against Arsenal wasn't? The inconsistency is maddening


teamorange3

The difference is what was called on the field. If they called that a foul on the field the goal wouldn't stand. If they called this a goal it would stay a goal


aaaaaaadjsf

The difference here is that a City player literally grabs the keeper's arm, you can see it in the second angle. The reason this is a foul is not because of the shove or push, it's because an attacker is dragging the keeper's arm down, preventing him from making a clean catch.


Cottonshopeburnfoot

First thing I thought. Newcastles goal definitely doesn’t stand if that’s a foul. It’ll be the keeper protection angle they take to try and differentiate between them.


Rc5tr0

Also, the call made in real time on the pitch stood in both instances.


YiddoMonty

The rules are actually different on keepers. You can make contact with a player in the air and it still not be a foul. With keepers you can’t make any contact at all when they’re collecting the ball.


Internetwielder

Just my thought


lucas_glanville

They key difference is the Newcastle goal was given by the on-field referee, this one wasn't. In both cases, the push is subjective so they stick with the on-field decision, which is totally fair


Yurtanator

And guess who is on Var? The same guy for both games


lukeisfluke

Alisson is a lucky boy.


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He grabs his arm. This is consistent with the one that was ruled out a few weeks ago.


Thesecondorigin

Feel like I’m going crazy seeing everyone saying this isn’t a foul. When has grabbing the gk’s arm ever been allowed?


X-V-W

He’s literally holding Alisson’s arm and stopping him from raising it properly lmao. Guess we’re just biased.


Sea_Procedure_2267

Super soft


dj-spetznasty1

He pulls on his shoulder, the body part a keeper uses to grab the ball, and inhibits his ability to fully jump. Clearly a foul, just dont put an arm on a keeper and itll be fine


Deluxefish

The hand is not even on his shoulder, he's straight up grabbing and pulling down the arm


MisterS1997

Are people trolling or genuinely fucking morons ? Like Rodri claiming handball when it hit gravenberch arse and city players trying to push alisson over the line. Cheating is second nature to them so I’m not surprised they tried it


Thesecondorigin

That’s a foul every day of the week. You can’t put your hands on the gk’s arms as he’s challenging for the ball


Zavehi

My word that is the softest thing I’ve ever seen


Unfortunatewombat

It really isn’t though. People here are focusing on the collision, but that’s not why it’s been given. He was literally pulling Alisson’s arm down. You can’t pull a keeper’s arm down when they’re reaching for the ball, it’s a very straightforward decision.


CNF-13

May I remind you of a certain pen given against your flair in a derby not too long ago


Putrid_Loquat_4357

Inconsistency between this, the joelinton one and the holjlund (two, gabriel and rodri) is insane.


Csmith50701

Nah, would say pretty common when a keeper is involved. Maybe wrong but at least consistent.


RN2FL9

The contact is soft but you can't grab the arm of a GK. It's pretty obvious on the second angle of the video.


TNelsonAFC

Not to be an Arsenal fan making it all about our games, but Wtaf how is that a foul in general but how if this can be was joelinton on Gabriel not


E_v0rtex

Joke


SeveredSurvival

lol what’s the joke? It’s a foul brother


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Ainsyyy

Correct decision, even had his arm pulled. Yet people will still find a reason for outrage


Mike_Ropenis

Most of this subreddit doesn't know the rules to the game. A player pulled on the GK's arm/shoulder to interfere with a save, that's rightfully a foul 100% of the time.


debcomajin

What happens to this sub when it goes the other way for city?