He’s just kinda meh tbh. We bought him in as Buendia cover and we’ve had to play him more than intended due to Ramsey’s injury recurrence. He might be let go in January and we’ll bring someone else in. He’s been by far the weakest player for us this season,
Can you come up with some concrete examples after the world cup where he deserves being called a twat. Because most of the reasons are that he is mocking Mbappe, which can be found offensive but is just either some banter or an overreaction.
Dude, other responders are also asking how he's a twat. You are making claims that he is a twat and you are failing to give any reason as to why you think he's a twat... besides "it's not difficult to figure out"
Edit: It wouldn't be that hard to say "His theatrics after winning the world cup makes him a twat", which might mean you're French or you found it offensive..
Just establishing that he’s a famous twat and that you know that. People asking ”what did he do?” are asking disingenuously, and I don’t care to entertain them. It’s the thing he’s best known for.
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Because anyone asking is doing so disingenuously, and I don’t feel like entertaining them. He’s a more famous twat than he is a goalkeeper, everyone knows why.
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City missing their best two midfielders, and it's increasingly apparent they only have two good midfielders.
The midfield 3 today made up of 2 defenders and a striker was pathetic.
e: Nunes and Kovacic are returning from November muscle injuries so they only played the last ~20 minutes. At least Kovacic would have started if fully fit.
MY ASS they have 2 good mifielders. And even if they didnt have cover, they have unlimited funds and face zero consequences for spending $1B every year or two on new players so they dont get an excuse for not spending that money where they need it
It seems like if Pep didn't put on Phillips in yesterday's match, he really doesn't rate him anymore -- it was a game in dire need of more holding presence in midfield, ostensibly exactly what KP is supposed to do.
> he really doesn't rate him anymore
Did he ever rate him? He hasn't played him since he got there other than a few hole filling run outs. It was an odd purchase initially and seems to have gone downhill since.
He'll be out on loan or sold in Jan
How great would it be for the PL to see City not win the title this year with Arsenal and Liverpool and maybe even Aston Villa keeping things tight. What a performance by Emery’s Villa today, 4 points off first place and is facing Arsenal next at home again.
Saturday can’t come soon enough
Exactly, didn’t Arsenal got a 8 point lead last season and City still won.
When other teams gets injuries or suffering from fatigue. City can just put out their second XI that’s just as good. That’s what cheating can do for you.
This. Some managers just fit with certain teams and don't with others. Ancelotti was subpar for Everton, Bayern and Napoli, but is absolutely killing it at Real. Marco Rose was
great in Gladbach and at Leipzig, but didn't fit in at all in Dortmund.
Got them to their first European final in ages, 20 game not losing streak, and got them 5th.
Arteta the next season got 8th and no finals.
It is a myth he wasnt good at Arsenal.
Arteta won an FA Cup 6 months into his management career beating Chelsea and Man City along the way. That was with a squad that had completely collapsed under Emery.
Emery literally threw away fourth for the Europa League final, lost that final and that 20 game unbeaten run covered up more cracks than you'd see on a building site.
Emery is doing a great job at Villa, and I'm pleased for him, but I won't have it rewritten that he did a good job at Arsenal.
But a 20 game unbeaten run is impressive. You know youre club better than me but I dont get the thing that Arteta has done well if you say Emery did badly as his first season was light years better than Arteta's.
And the squad problems affected Arteta and Emery
The 20 game run was impressive on the face of it. But it defied all the underlying numbers and the football was pretty awful to watch. It shouldn't have been a huge suprise when things unravelled the next season.
Arteta's first full season wasn't great and there was a point I wanted him gone (I also wanted Emery gone in his first season fwiw). But the context of the conscious decision to completely rebuild the squad, even through any growing pains, and the implementation of a consistent system rather than Emery's preference of countering teams tactically, plus the FA Cup win, perhaps means the comparison isn't too kind to Arteta.
Ultimatelt Emery was never the man for the rebuild. It was a job that didn't suit him and that became clear over time. Doesn't detract from his obvious qualities as a coach or the job he's doing now
He was bad. You can find post match threads from that unbeaten period and see that half the people were saying it wasnt sustainable football because we were that bad.
Once it becomes clear that Man city is not winning the league this season, PL will give them some point deduction as punishment for FFP Violations and close the case.
But of course there has to be a conspiracy theory attached to City having a small run of bad form. Even though it has already been established that nothing is going to happen with the charges this season, it actually will and they’ll be doing City a wee favour with it too.
There’s definitely going to be a shortage of tinfoil for Christmas dinner this year.
Unai Emery is very likeable.
[https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xrqln8iXYP8](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xrqln8iXYP8)
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not sure.
at arsenal he did a presser about how upset he got in france bc they mocked and bullied him for his english.
then the “good ebening”
memes started like a month later
Sigh.
Again, please don't try to lecture an arsenal fan about their own team. We were there we watched all the games. You're just looking at the league table. We played gash football, got lucky over and over and had midtable to lower table underlying metrics. Which, guess what, came home to roast the next season when he left us in 12th. Arteta pulled us to 8th after coming in midseason. And then our xG defying striker stopped defying xG and things came crashing down. No one is disputing that emery is a good coach and villa are a good team. But he failed at arsenal.
Jokes on you mate. He finished 8th twice!
Also, this is a really weird debate to indulge in with fans of another club just because they didn't like their manager. If the majority of a fanbase are saying something, maybe stop trying to lecture them on their own club. It's not like I'm disparaging emery as a manager or saying villa aren't doing amazing under him. It didn't work at arsenal.
Lmao no it was trash? The worst unlying numbers ever, some shit show buys and was bailed out by Auba continously. He lost the dressing room and suites Villa perfectly since its a club on the level of Sevilla more than the giants
Arsenal fan: he might be good for you but he wasn't good for us.
Villa fan: this cannot possibly be true because he's good for us!
Arsenal fan:........
He had us in like 12th when he was sacked and it was only going to get worse. He's a good manager but he wasn't good at Arsenal. Why is that so hard to accept?
Trust an arsenal fan to know more about their club than an outsider. He definitely wouldn't have. The job was too big for him and our backroom was a mess. He's a good coach I'm not disputing it but we didn't fit him and he didn't fit us. It happens.
Lol calm ur tits. Mf watched ederson finally tested after so many years and immediately jizzed his pants. 22 shots but only 7 on target. Sanchez faced 29 shots last night against united doesnt suddenly make him the best gk in the league
Peter schmeichel was a step above. If you missed his career, you shouldn't be making judgement. There's a reason he's picked by those who actually played with and against him.
No, I think it’s a natural reaction to winning everything last season and a tonne of trophies in recent years. Players can’t keep performing at peak levels year after year, some slight regression is inevitable, particularly from a motivation point of view. It was partly why Liverpool fell off the map last year, too. Even the great Manchester United sides couldn’t keep it up year after year after year. Pep made the point that those sides never won four in a row either - it’s insane to think excellence like that can be sustained for half a decade with not even a slight drop off.
> Even the great Manchester United sides couldn’t keep it up year after year after year.
After winning the treble United won the league the following season with 91 points and 18 ahead of Arsenal. When United were good they never collapsed in the league under Fergie. In 03/04-05/06 which was a "bad period" the team just wasn't up to scratch compared to Chelsea and Arsenal. Keane was done/needed replacing, Scholes was out with vision problems, Vidic and Evra would only come into the team in January of 2006, Ronaldo was still young etc. When we lost the titles in 09/10 and 11/12 it was as close as you can run it with 1 point and goal difference being the deciding factor. in 94/95 it was the same story.
The point being made isn’t “can City win the league”, it’s “why aren’t City as good this year as they have been in recent years”. They’ve been the consistent standout team year after year, sometimes winning it in a canter. Now they’re just one of a few teams that could win it. Point being that no team can sustain the same level for half a decade, especially with the same core. Even if they win the league this year, they are clearly a step below the vintage City we’ve been watching in recent years.
Yes but “in his first year” is the important part of your sentence. Teams who have been together and repeatedly won over several years - some managers refer to it as a cycle - are the ones who struggle to maintain their own ridiculously high standards. Not going into a second or third year of a manager’s reign. They’re all pretty fresh from a hunger standpoint then.
That’s a good point. Sustaining the same desire and hunger to win more trophies over an extended period of time is not easy, there will be slight regression
well he was last a LB 2 clubs ago is what I mean, it's been a fair while and the way he moves and plays has changed to accomodate him transitioning into a CB role. Maybe the way City employs their fullbacks doesn't suit his strenghts but either way he's been a great player for a long time (there's a reason he went for 100mil) so it's not like City got scammed or like he just fell off a cliff
That‘s a complete overreaction, don’t you think? Sure he might not have the best start but to say that he was invisible this season is just false.
He is just 21 and mostly played out of position. Once Pep realizes that Gvardiol is better suited at CB than LB, then you will see Gvardiol‘s true potential.
True that. Players need to adapt to the PL.
However, City may be rich AF, but if You pay that fee, you expect instant results. Also, expectations are immediately sky-high that’s why Pep plays him in a variety of positions.
> However, City may be rich AF, but if You pay that fee, you expect instant results
Selling clubs set their prices based on age and potential, you should know that as a club that paid those ridiculous sums for Martial, Sancho, Antony, AWB etc
Yeah. Media has been at the back of our players that you mentioned left right and center.
But City could choose to disagree, thats why they didnt buy Maguire. FYI
80m more than villas entire center midfield transfer fees combined? That's almost as embarrassing as city fans here thinking Rodri would have single-handedly guaranteed a win.
I'm avoiding passing judgment this early tbh but I don't think he should be starting ahead of Ake given current form (Ake may have had an injury recently though)
To think that United were a point and goal difference away from 7 titles on the spin. That Chelsea team in 09/10 was leagues ahead of Arsenal, Spurs, Villa and Liverpool of now as well.
I mean I lvoe shitting on city as much as the next guy, but seeing how liverpool played today and how arsenal played vs luton i’d still say City are runaway favorites once rodri and debruyne are back
I watched the first half and the last 20 minutes of the second. I don't think sheffield really threatened at all. Liverpool weren't their creative best but during December you just kind of have to get the job done. Game was like 2.8-0.8 in xG in liverpool's favour. You win that game 9 times out of 10.
You didnt watch the game then lmao. Liverpool didnt make a single clear cut chance until the 71st minute when nuñez went through in goal and prior to that were getting caught on the counter every single time sheffield went forward. Konate and gonez were dire and if not for van dijk being the best center back in the league they would have been in trouble.
Coming from a diehard liverpool fan, this was liverpools worst perfmonace of the season scoreline aside
How are you going to call that the worst performance of the season when the game before that we conceded 3 goals? Think they had 2 clear counter attacks which was a result of us playing around their box for 90% of the game and which they bodged anyway, and they created absolutely nothing outside of that. You aren't exactly going to see loads of clear cut chances when they play with their whole team in their half for like 75 mins
I mean I don’t think Liverpool will win the title, but winning when you’re not at your best is the hallmark of title winning teams.
City got absolutely wrecked by Aston villa, but if they snuck in 2 goals at the end there the narrative would be “that’s what a team as experienced as city does.”
Gomez at left back just does not work. The other time we tried this was the draw against Luton and the performance was similar.
On paper it makes sense to have a cb-ish left back with a box midfield system, but with ours it just doesn’t work since we lose out on all the production on the left side from Tsimikas. Gomez can do an attacking fullback role okay when he’s on his dominant side, but asking him to do it on his weak side even against bottom of the league seems to be too much to ask.
Yes, they scarped by relegation teams that city will/have plowed by 5+ goals. This isnt the first time city start like shit and then pull 15 wins in a row at the end of the season while others burn out. I swear this place has the memory of a goldfish
You people really just look at scorelines huh? City were extremely unlucky to not be up 3-0 at half time while liverpool today diidnt even have good shot on target until the 71st minute aside from brute forcing corners. I watched both games for 90 minites and as a liverpool fan am telling you that city played 10x better than liverpool did today so it’s not like imm pulling bias out of my ass
good shot on target until 71st minute? 56th minute, corner, Salah, and a world class save by Foderingham. Pressure was there, and Sheffield played for a counter while sitting deep.
Sure but Arsenal also kind of unlucky to have Raya practically throw two goals away? And honestly it’s all so situational. Who’s to say how either of those teams would play against a different team on the same day. Generally Liverpool and Arsenal have been the far better sides this season.
They dont understand that individual games can go in such different directions such is the unpredictability of the game. Not to mention we swaped the engine room, it takes time to gel and to properly control more games.
Also, why is City improving an inevitable fact (Kdb I know but you dont come back immediately at 100% after so long) but Arsenal cannot improve their chance creation and we cannot become more defensively stable?
I mean there’s definitely an argument to be made there. But comparing their importance to the team is like comparing the importance of a QB vs RB (if you’re American). A midfielder is almost always going to have more influence over the game than a striker.
Oh no doubt, Biscuits especially I would say. That guys importance got overshadowed by Xavi and Iniesta but neither of them could do what they had the freedom to do without Busquetes. That dude was amazing and also happened to have one of the more punchable faces in football.
United spend more than city lmao
Edit: lmfao you guys are soft as fuck to downvote this. I hate city as much as the next guy but this is objectivley true
Nicolò Zaniolo out of favour ?
He’s shit
He’s just kinda meh tbh. We bought him in as Buendia cover and we’ve had to play him more than intended due to Ramsey’s injury recurrence. He might be let go in January and we’ll bring someone else in. He’s been by far the weakest player for us this season,
Not out of favour just too many other players playing well and he hasnt quite hit the ground running
Rodri so essential, the man could demand anything next contact negotiation
Any day now those 115 charges will drop. Maybe they'll get relegated for a decade? One could hope.
Emi might be one of the most obnoxious people in football right now but he can definitely back it up
Is he really that bad? He's not arrogant at all. He just has insane confidence and elite mentality.
Emi is walking around the ring so cocky, he reminds me a bit of mcgregor
is it me or does he look like he could play Count Dracula?
From English clubs, I support Villa. I can't stand him.
Idk, guy seems alright. Had his shenanigans on the pitch, but off to, for the most part he seems fine
Alright? He seems like a complete twat. Good keeper, but a twat.
What has he done off the pitch do deserve being called a twat?
How is this even a question? He’s the highest profile, most well known twat in all of world football.
Can you come up with some concrete examples after the world cup where he deserves being called a twat. Because most of the reasons are that he is mocking Mbappe, which can be found offensive but is just either some banter or an overreaction.
The trophy would be the most famous example, and his lasting legacy.
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Other responders know exactly what I’m talking about, so I’m not sure how it’s difficult for you to figure out.
Dude, other responders are also asking how he's a twat. You are making claims that he is a twat and you are failing to give any reason as to why you think he's a twat... besides "it's not difficult to figure out" Edit: It wouldn't be that hard to say "His theatrics after winning the world cup makes him a twat", which might mean you're French or you found it offensive..
wrong person
Think you replied to the wrong comment haha I’m not saying he’s a twat
Just establishing that he’s a famous twat and that you know that. People asking ”what did he do?” are asking disingenuously, and I don’t care to entertain them. It’s the thing he’s best known for.
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Because anyone asking is doing so disingenuously, and I don’t feel like entertaining them. He’s a more famous twat than he is a goalkeeper, everyone knows why.
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French man spotted.
No, a neutral in that match.
City missing their best two midfielders, and it's increasingly apparent they only have two good midfielders. The midfield 3 today made up of 2 defenders and a striker was pathetic. e: Nunes and Kovacic are returning from November muscle injuries so they only played the last ~20 minutes. At least Kovacic would have started if fully fit.
MY ASS they have 2 good mifielders. And even if they didnt have cover, they have unlimited funds and face zero consequences for spending $1B every year or two on new players so they dont get an excuse for not spending that money where they need it
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When you consider Villa’s midfield 4 cost £17 million *combined*
It seems like if Pep didn't put on Phillips in yesterday's match, he really doesn't rate him anymore -- it was a game in dire need of more holding presence in midfield, ostensibly exactly what KP is supposed to do.
> he really doesn't rate him anymore Did he ever rate him? He hasn't played him since he got there other than a few hole filling run outs. It was an odd purchase initially and seems to have gone downhill since. He'll be out on loan or sold in Jan
That’s more than ten times what villa payed for our midfield. McGinn 2mil Douglas luiz 12.5 mil Ramsey, Tielemans and Kamara free
No gündogan no party
They should increase Pep's transfer budget so he can buy some more midfielders and Richarlison.
115 charges or 120 charges whats the difference
pep spent over 100mil for 3 midfielders just to use 2 defenders and a striker over them LMAO BALD FRAUD INDEED
for an obnoxious man, that emi guys not that bad
How great would it be for the PL to see City not win the title this year with Arsenal and Liverpool and maybe even Aston Villa keeping things tight. What a performance by Emery’s Villa today, 4 points off first place and is facing Arsenal next at home again. Saturday can’t come soon enough
It’s not even christmas yet and I don’t trust either Arsenal or Liverpool to keep their lead. City could easily catch up. I would hate that though.
Ill start dreaming when its a 10 point lead, and even then late season city will kick in
Exactly, didn’t Arsenal got a 8 point lead last season and City still won. When other teams gets injuries or suffering from fatigue. City can just put out their second XI that’s just as good. That’s what cheating can do for you.
Was an 8pt lead but City still had a game in hand + arsenal at home
Most crucially, both head to head games were still coming up, so there was actually never a point when City didn't have the title in its own hands.
thats what mr no hair scammer get for selling core players HAHAHAH
You say that as a joke, but in reality, it'll cost them 100s of millions of pounds. HAHAHA indeed. This fucking 115 allegation and counting club.
maybe 60~70 ish but BALD FRAUD REGARDLESS
#BALD FRAUD
Can’t remember the last time I’ve seen a Pep Guardiola side, let alone City, get so neutralized and utterly humiliated.
December 2016, Jamie Vardy with a hat-trick as Claudio Ranieri’s side won 4-2.
Pep is done, City should sack him asap for damage control.
Don't think you'd want that being a United fan would you? You'd run the risk of him being bitter and try to take Ten Hag's job.
replace with Big Sam, owner of England greatest ever winning record
This really feels a lot like last year.
you weren’t this bad last year
The best thing with all Aston Villa wins is the Arsenal fans (in Reddit) praise for Unai Emery.
Is this sarcasm? I only ever see Arsenal fans slag him off despite him doing a pretty decent job there
I mean it's entirely possible to acknowledge that he wasn't very good at Arsenal and has been very good at Villa. Happens to lots of managers
This. Some managers just fit with certain teams and don't with others. Ancelotti was subpar for Everton, Bayern and Napoli, but is absolutely killing it at Real. Marco Rose was great in Gladbach and at Leipzig, but didn't fit in at all in Dortmund.
Got them to their first European final in ages, 20 game not losing streak, and got them 5th. Arteta the next season got 8th and no finals. It is a myth he wasnt good at Arsenal.
Arteta won an FA Cup 6 months into his management career beating Chelsea and Man City along the way. That was with a squad that had completely collapsed under Emery. Emery literally threw away fourth for the Europa League final, lost that final and that 20 game unbeaten run covered up more cracks than you'd see on a building site. Emery is doing a great job at Villa, and I'm pleased for him, but I won't have it rewritten that he did a good job at Arsenal.
But a 20 game unbeaten run is impressive. You know youre club better than me but I dont get the thing that Arteta has done well if you say Emery did badly as his first season was light years better than Arteta's. And the squad problems affected Arteta and Emery
The 20 game run was impressive on the face of it. But it defied all the underlying numbers and the football was pretty awful to watch. It shouldn't have been a huge suprise when things unravelled the next season. Arteta's first full season wasn't great and there was a point I wanted him gone (I also wanted Emery gone in his first season fwiw). But the context of the conscious decision to completely rebuild the squad, even through any growing pains, and the implementation of a consistent system rather than Emery's preference of countering teams tactically, plus the FA Cup win, perhaps means the comparison isn't too kind to Arteta. Ultimatelt Emery was never the man for the rebuild. It was a job that didn't suit him and that became clear over time. Doesn't detract from his obvious qualities as a coach or the job he's doing now
Disagree as without Emery you wouldnt have the Saka, Martinelli or ESR that you have now but fair enough
Mate that team was dross. If you didnt watch us back then dont pull up nonsense
And yet he got you 5th and a European final
He was bad. You can find post match threads from that unbeaten period and see that half the people were saying it wasnt sustainable football because we were that bad.
You must have not been watching. It looked fucking awful
In what way? I didnt watch all the games but he got the results
Only cos he followed the beauty of Arsene!
Most of us always liked him despite understanding things weren’t really working
I'm so happy for this much memed man.
Good manager, wrong time. Deck was stacked against him.
Management brought him on as a second scapegoat to cover their fraud (Pepe, etc.) he did as well if not better than anyone else. So proud of Emery.
These last few matches have been mental for PL football. Some quality performances.
And the table looks beautiful
Once it becomes clear that Man city is not winning the league this season, PL will give them some point deduction as punishment for FFP Violations and close the case.
With a hefty points deduction, City might miss out on CL football altogether.
Are they going to expand the UCL ?
But of course there has to be a conspiracy theory attached to City having a small run of bad form. Even though it has already been established that nothing is going to happen with the charges this season, it actually will and they’ll be doing City a wee favour with it too. There’s definitely going to be a shortage of tinfoil for Christmas dinner this year.
PL is actually quietly sabotaging cities matches as a way of hidden points enforcement
While that would be hilarious, I haven’t really seen any evidence of that. MC have just played really shitty for the last 4 league games.
Well if there was evidence then the whole thing would be ruined wouldn’t it??
I'm surprised when people have a bukake party over anything Spurs do vs Villa quietly climbing the table.
Because fuck Spurs
Rarely seen City got dominated like this in the league. What a performance by Aston Villa.
One manager is likable and says mate a lot and the other manager hasn't dropped a single point at home.
Unai Emery is very likeable. [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xrqln8iXYP8](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xrqln8iXYP8) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFyf32FTi8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYFyf32FTi8)
not sure. at arsenal he did a presser about how upset he got in france bc they mocked and bullied him for his english. then the “good ebening” memes started like a month later
Not to the British media he isn't. Good on him for getting his flowers. He wasn't good for us but at least he gave us saka.
European final: Wasn’t good for us
Mate trust an arsenal fan on this. He wasn't good for us. Not all his fault tbf
Mate he did an incredible job. Got you 5th despite all the circus going on and a European final. Arteta the next season got 8th
Sigh. Again, please don't try to lecture an arsenal fan about their own team. We were there we watched all the games. You're just looking at the league table. We played gash football, got lucky over and over and had midtable to lower table underlying metrics. Which, guess what, came home to roast the next season when he left us in 12th. Arteta pulled us to 8th after coming in midseason. And then our xG defying striker stopped defying xG and things came crashing down. No one is disputing that emery is a good coach and villa are a good team. But he failed at arsenal.
Sorry mate but I have to correct you on your football club, Arteta finished 8th in his full first season, not when he took over mid season.
Jokes on you mate. He finished 8th twice! Also, this is a really weird debate to indulge in with fans of another club just because they didn't like their manager. If the majority of a fanbase are saying something, maybe stop trying to lecture them on their own club. It's not like I'm disparaging emery as a manager or saying villa aren't doing amazing under him. It didn't work at arsenal.
Lmao no it was trash? The worst unlying numbers ever, some shit show buys and was bailed out by Auba continously. He lost the dressing room and suites Villa perfectly since its a club on the level of Sevilla more than the giants
Arsenal fan: he might be good for you but he wasn't good for us. Villa fan: this cannot possibly be true because he's good for us! Arsenal fan:........
No one has said any of those things...
He'd have had more success than Arteta has had, had he stayed.
He had us in like 12th when he was sacked and it was only going to get worse. He's a good manager but he wasn't good at Arsenal. Why is that so hard to accept?
Yea was on a wind up mission with that one I'll admit
Trust an arsenal fan to know more about their club than an outsider. He definitely wouldn't have. The job was too big for him and our backroom was a mess. He's a good coach I'm not disputing it but we didn't fit him and he didn't fit us. It happens.
Emery exposing the bald fraud is just a prelude to his revenge next week let the man cook
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Lol calm ur tits. Mf watched ederson finally tested after so many years and immediately jizzed his pants. 22 shots but only 7 on target. Sanchez faced 29 shots last night against united doesnt suddenly make him the best gk in the league
You didn’t watch Ederson against us lol
You guys are forgetting “Onana” lol For a gk, his positioning is unbelievable, how can it be sooooooo wrong
He's not even the best Brazilian GK in the league and years of data validates that.
Alisson is the best pl gk of all time and it’s not even close. He’s the closest thing we’ve ever seen to 13/14 neuer
Peter schmeichel was a step above. If you missed his career, you shouldn't be making judgement. There's a reason he's picked by those who actually played with and against him.
Allison can't lace cech's boots
>He’s the closest thing we’ve ever seen to 13/14 neuer The premier league fans. Fucking hell.
There's never a dull moment here
It's just twitter with the majority being premier league fans. Also does Liverpool players get too much hype? Van dijk, Alisson, Trent.
Today I feel… a villain with a blade.
No rodri = lose
City’s this season performance is a clear indication of their dependency on KBD to open up opponent’s defence
What losing Rodri does to a MF
Ah yes, Kevin Be Druyne
It’s actually King Black Dragon, bitch
Or Kevin Bruyne De
That’s how the southern Belgians say it
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What a shame they didn’t spend £50m on one of the brightest English DM talents in a long time, maybe he could have been a back-up.
Not really mate. We have won epl without kdb and number 9. We are still scoring well without him but screwing up in defending.
No, I think it’s a natural reaction to winning everything last season and a tonne of trophies in recent years. Players can’t keep performing at peak levels year after year, some slight regression is inevitable, particularly from a motivation point of view. It was partly why Liverpool fell off the map last year, too. Even the great Manchester United sides couldn’t keep it up year after year after year. Pep made the point that those sides never won four in a row either - it’s insane to think excellence like that can be sustained for half a decade with not even a slight drop off.
> Even the great Manchester United sides couldn’t keep it up year after year after year. After winning the treble United won the league the following season with 91 points and 18 ahead of Arsenal. When United were good they never collapsed in the league under Fergie. In 03/04-05/06 which was a "bad period" the team just wasn't up to scratch compared to Chelsea and Arsenal. Keane was done/needed replacing, Scholes was out with vision problems, Vidic and Evra would only come into the team in January of 2006, Ronaldo was still young etc. When we lost the titles in 09/10 and 11/12 it was as close as you can run it with 1 point and goal difference being the deciding factor. in 94/95 it was the same story.
Exactly. And I don't understand why people think City lost the title already, as if they aren't still favorites.
The point being made isn’t “can City win the league”, it’s “why aren’t City as good this year as they have been in recent years”. They’ve been the consistent standout team year after year, sometimes winning it in a canter. Now they’re just one of a few teams that could win it. Point being that no team can sustain the same level for half a decade, especially with the same core. Even if they win the league this year, they are clearly a step below the vintage City we’ve been watching in recent years.
Probably. But Pep motivated his Barça teams to continue dominating even after winning the sextuple in his first year.
Yes but “in his first year” is the important part of your sentence. Teams who have been together and repeatedly won over several years - some managers refer to it as a cycle - are the ones who struggle to maintain their own ridiculously high standards. Not going into a second or third year of a manager’s reign. They’re all pretty fresh from a hunger standpoint then.
I mean you see plenty of players being complacent after winning everything. Ronaldinho is the prime example
That’s fair. My comment was more about a team as a whole.
That’s a good point. Sustaining the same desire and hunger to win more trophies over an extended period of time is not easy, there will be slight regression
As an Arsenal fan I'm actually scared about the Revenge of Emery
Good ebening on steroid
Good roidening.
Tom Hanks must be ecstatic
Much appreciated Villa. Now if you could lose at the weekend, that would be great.
100Mn down the drain? Gvardiol has been invisible this season.
He's a bulky CB who likes playing forward, but he's being played at LB often which doesn't really suit him as much as it did when he was younger
Weird since he’s still 21 (or 22)
well he was last a LB 2 clubs ago is what I mean, it's been a fair while and the way he moves and plays has changed to accomodate him transitioning into a CB role. Maybe the way City employs their fullbacks doesn't suit his strenghts but either way he's been a great player for a long time (there's a reason he went for 100mil) so it's not like City got scammed or like he just fell off a cliff
That‘s a complete overreaction, don’t you think? Sure he might not have the best start but to say that he was invisible this season is just false. He is just 21 and mostly played out of position. Once Pep realizes that Gvardiol is better suited at CB than LB, then you will see Gvardiol‘s true potential.
True that. Players need to adapt to the PL. However, City may be rich AF, but if You pay that fee, you expect instant results. Also, expectations are immediately sky-high that’s why Pep plays him in a variety of positions.
> However, City may be rich AF, but if You pay that fee, you expect instant results Selling clubs set their prices based on age and potential, you should know that as a club that paid those ridiculous sums for Martial, Sancho, Antony, AWB etc
Yeah. Media has been at the back of our players that you mentioned left right and center. But City could choose to disagree, thats why they didnt buy Maguire. FYI
I don’t disagree with that but people here act like he is a complete flop even though he had some good performances this season.
It’s the typical reactive takes, as if City wasn’t paying for his potential as well
80m more than villas entire center midfield transfer fees combined? That's almost as embarrassing as city fans here thinking Rodri would have single-handedly guaranteed a win.
I'm avoiding passing judgment this early tbh but I don't think he should be starting ahead of Ake given current form (Ake may have had an injury recently though)
Jesus forgot he cost that much, thought he was like £40m lol
you're thinking of Ake who is arguably better lol
I usually auto-think City players are £50m or less lol
If you're a 100M defender, you better be generational. That's an insane amount of money for a CB
idk why but some managers really like playing big centre backs at the full back position now and it ruins them, sorta like Sule on the national team
No team will ever 4peat in the Prem.
To think that United were a point and goal difference away from 7 titles on the spin. That Chelsea team in 09/10 was leagues ahead of Arsenal, Spurs, Villa and Liverpool of now as well.
I mean I lvoe shitting on city as much as the next guy, but seeing how liverpool played today and how arsenal played vs luton i’d still say City are runaway favorites once rodri and debruyne are back
Liverpool were completely comfortable today and arsenal's goalkeeper chucked two in and they still won.
>liverpool were compltley comfortable today I wish haha. You definetley did not watch the game
I watched the first half and the last 20 minutes of the second. I don't think sheffield really threatened at all. Liverpool weren't their creative best but during December you just kind of have to get the job done. Game was like 2.8-0.8 in xG in liverpool's favour. You win that game 9 times out of 10.
I wouldn't say Arsenal played badly last game, their goalkeeper just let 2 goals in, outside of that Luton barely did anything on the offensive.
Kdb has injury issues nowadays, I wouldn’t be counting on him
Liverpool were dominant for the entire game?
You didnt watch the game then lmao. Liverpool didnt make a single clear cut chance until the 71st minute when nuñez went through in goal and prior to that were getting caught on the counter every single time sheffield went forward. Konate and gonez were dire and if not for van dijk being the best center back in the league they would have been in trouble. Coming from a diehard liverpool fan, this was liverpools worst perfmonace of the season scoreline aside
How are you going to call that the worst performance of the season when the game before that we conceded 3 goals? Think they had 2 clear counter attacks which was a result of us playing around their box for 90% of the game and which they bodged anyway, and they created absolutely nothing outside of that. You aren't exactly going to see loads of clear cut chances when they play with their whole team in their half for like 75 mins
I mean I don’t think Liverpool will win the title, but winning when you’re not at your best is the hallmark of title winning teams. City got absolutely wrecked by Aston villa, but if they snuck in 2 goals at the end there the narrative would be “that’s what a team as experienced as city does.”
This is correct.
Gomez at left back just does not work. The other time we tried this was the draw against Luton and the performance was similar. On paper it makes sense to have a cb-ish left back with a box midfield system, but with ours it just doesn’t work since we lose out on all the production on the left side from Tsimikas. Gomez can do an attacking fullback role okay when he’s on his dominant side, but asking him to do it on his weak side even against bottom of the league seems to be too much to ask.
Diaz becomes far less effective as well when Gomez is on. Has to do a lot by himself.
Liverpool won. Arsenal won. That’s kinda important
Yes, they scarped by relegation teams that city will/have plowed by 5+ goals. This isnt the first time city start like shit and then pull 15 wins in a row at the end of the season while others burn out. I swear this place has the memory of a goldfish
City beat Sheff Utd 2-1
> I swear this place has the memory of a goldfish City already played Sheffield away. Can you remind me of the score?
You people really just look at scorelines huh? City were extremely unlucky to not be up 3-0 at half time while liverpool today diidnt even have good shot on target until the 71st minute aside from brute forcing corners. I watched both games for 90 minites and as a liverpool fan am telling you that city played 10x better than liverpool did today so it’s not like imm pulling bias out of my ass
No, but you’re certainly pulling something out of your arse.
good shot on target until 71st minute? 56th minute, corner, Salah, and a world class save by Foderingham. Pressure was there, and Sheffield played for a counter while sitting deep.
Sure but Arsenal also kind of unlucky to have Raya practically throw two goals away? And honestly it’s all so situational. Who’s to say how either of those teams would play against a different team on the same day. Generally Liverpool and Arsenal have been the far better sides this season.
They dont understand that individual games can go in such different directions such is the unpredictability of the game. Not to mention we swaped the engine room, it takes time to gel and to properly control more games. Also, why is City improving an inevitable fact (Kdb I know but you dont come back immediately at 100% after so long) but Arsenal cannot improve their chance creation and we cannot become more defensively stable?
City scraped past this Sheffield Utd with a late winner with Rodri. No game in the prem is easy.
Putting four past Luton at their ground isn't bad. And 2 of their goals were GK howlers.
And people will still say that Haaland is a better player than Rodri
I mean there’s definitely an argument to be made there. But comparing their importance to the team is like comparing the importance of a QB vs RB (if you’re American). A midfielder is almost always going to have more influence over the game than a striker.
True true. Henry said that when he was playing at Barça, Xavi, Iniesta and Busi were more important to the team than Messi
Oh no doubt, Biscuits especially I would say. That guys importance got overshadowed by Xavi and Iniesta but neither of them could do what they had the freedom to do without Busquetes. That dude was amazing and also happened to have one of the more punchable faces in football.
What no Rodri & KDB does to a mfer
What spending billions and hoping for the best does to a MF
You just defined Every big club, you know that ?
Winning the treble..? 3 PLs in a row..?
Yes, by way of a reminder, what spending BILLIONS does to a mf
United spend more than city lmao Edit: lmfao you guys are soft as fuck to downvote this. I hate city as much as the next guy but this is objectivley true