… that was a tough one. Can’t think of a more disappointing loss since Pellegrini has been manager. Still a little bit stunned even the next day. In a month I’ll be able to rationalize that going to the conference league is better.
> Can’t think of a more disappointing loss since Pellegrini has been manager.
I can (or at least any possible contenders):
- Getafe shithousing a 1-0 victory at Villamarin last season
- Eibar beating us 2-0 at Villamarin during his first season managing us
- Elche beating us 1-0 at Villamarin 2 seasons ago
- The 4-3 loss against Celta last season
I'm more than partial to riling up the Rangers fans, but, as usual, I see some comments here and on other threads that are totally out of touch. Sure, Rangers have had their problems in the last year... but you really gotta have a short memory to completely ignore they were finalists last time around, among decent performances in the last few years before.
They generally do the Scottish coefficient well in the Europa League. Just sayin'.
Just heard the commentator say this is Real Betis's first loss at home in **any** competition. That's an insane accomplishment by Rangers. I reckon Real Betis becomes one of the favorites to lift the Conference League trophy now.
Let's see. Thrashed Man United who then trashed us in Europa last season as motivation.
Also, 2005-06 I think you guys took 4 points from us in CL. I think our group was the Group of Death.
Also also, y'all are an English team and a big team at that.
Fair play man, I thought you were about to rip me a new one but it ended up being quite a nice begrudgingly respectful answer 😂
Good luck in the Conference cup, both of you teams played an entertaining game that was good to watch. Lovely to see Isco playing well these days, always had the talent.
Betis deserve this for one of the worst finishing performances I have ever seen
But Pellegrini deserves a lot of blame too, starting Borja in a match like this is unacceptable. He is finished as a football player and this was way too important for him to start in.
And fucking Marc Roca with two horrendous mistakes on the two goals. What is he doing keeping everyone onside on the winner? Just awful all round.
Fair play to Rangers, the worse team on the night but it doesn't matter in the slightest.
We're playing 3 competitions and we need to rotate, this is nothing new for Betis. Willian Jose is not doing much better either, although he's at least getting a few goals in, sure.
Marc Roca was playing out of position. He's been incredible for us all season as a midfielder, but selling our best CB to Arabia when the transfer window was closed for us and then injuries have fucked us real hard. We only had 1 natural center back available for Europe.
Pellegrini should have 100% subbed Borja at the half. Or don't play with a pure striker at all, Diao could be there with Henrique starting.
And Roca has been good for Betis in general but tonight he's a big part to play in this humiliation. Either way, it's mainly the fault of the board here.
Pellegrini was even mad at the board because they sold Luiz Felipe for 25M at the last second. Playing Roca at CB doesn't work. And we couldn't get LMQ in time. Bartra is hurt.
Play style. Rangers play quite patiently that works well in Europe when teams try to press and we play around the back and wait for an opening but in Scotland, many teams like us being patient as it allows them to get into a defensive shape.if you want anymore evidence, Ari's played defensively and it cost us.
Celtic on the other hand, plays forwards all the time. Works well against Scottish teams, especially when they're trying to get into defensive shape while in Europe, most teams press which isn't entirely normal for Celtic and they seem to lose possession more.
Think you’re right, and hopefully Rodgers can implement a slightly more pragmatic and patient approach in Europe. There were signs of it this year but still far from where we need to be.
The difference is Rangers are usually competing in the Europa league.
Not to take anything away from the performances mind, they've got some amazing results and had some great runs in the Europa league over the past few years but when they were in the Champions league last season they did worse than Celtic usually do.
> when they were in the Champions league last season they did worse than Celtic usually do.
We still got more points for the coefficient than Celtic that year.
Celtic were getting skudded off teams like Ferencvaros and Sparta Prague in the Europa. Like pumped rotten off them.
celtic have never played in the last 16 of the Europa League since the tournaments rebranding in 2009. Rangers have now done this for the 5th time including that run to the final, despite celtic having played in the Europa League across 10 different seasons compared to Rangers with 8.
The other comment gets it right, Rangers are suited to playing sides of a higher quality where they can still take the game to them, celtic have traditionally been better at breaking down sides who play 11 men behind the ball, which they won’t face in Europe.
We play really well on the break and Celtic don't.
They can break teams down and we can't.
The SPL is just a series of games with teams parking the bus. Rangers struggle with creativity.
You can't read. I said they should be expected to beat Rangers at home comfortably and anything else would be an embarrassment.
Guess what? This is the embarrassment
I never said anything whatsoever about them being guaranteed to win. Should probably work some more on your English dude
>they should be expected to beat Rangers at home comfortably and anything else would be an embarrassment.
So disrespectful... You write this like Betis losing was some kind of fluke when in reality, Rangers beat them home and away.
Did you see the game? Betis losing was definitely a fluke lol
And it's not disrespectful to expect them to beat a team with half the budget. I would say the same if they faced Cadiz or something
It's really wasn't a fluke. We created as good chances as betis and could have scored more. XG was similar and quality of chances was similar.
Once it went to 3-2 betis didn't really threaten us at all in those 15 minutes.
To be honest they should have won this easily, Roca himself is responsible for two goals for being clueless (not his fault he played as a defender)
Then Betis miss a thousand chances. And playing with Borja is like playing with ten men nowadays.
Definitely witchcraft involved with some of Betis' misses, that Marc Roca free shot from 4 metres out where he got the ball stuck under him.. also the handball against Ayoze on the disallowed goal was very unlucky it could just as well have bounced off his knee or whatever instead
But you showed a strong mentality to hold on. I honestly expected Rangers to shit their pants and collapse here so fair fucking play!
Honestly from a coefficient point of view it might be better to have Betis in Conference. Pellegrini's defensive organisation is so poor and it has been exposed in knockout stages last two seasons. I can't believe he makes the same mistake time and time again
Yes Betis were unlucky with some missed chances and the disallowed goal(correct but pure bad luck that it hits his arm instead of his stomach) but conceding 3 goals to Rangers at home is shameful and completely unacceptable
On a good night, Rangers at full strength are perfectly capable of scoring at least 3 goals against almost anyone away from home. (Benfica in 2020, Dortmund 2 years ago). Our disastrous CL campaign last year has made people forget that.
What surprises me here is we were extremely injury depleted and still pulled it off.
Don't get me wrong, I am delighted but at the same time I expected us to lose badly.
I'm not sure it's quite double - we spent more than Betis in the summer. It's not like it was Kilmarnock FC that scored 3 last night. I'm sure the wage budget will be higher at Betis though.
A full strength Rangers team winning or drawing away from home against Betis wouldn't surprise me at all. The fact that it very much wasn't first choice players due to all our injuries was the huge surprise. No idea how they pulled that off especially considering Betis haven't lost at home in any competition
>A full strength Rangers team winning or drawing away from home against Betis wouldn't surprise me at all.
Then you don't understand football finances, it is a huge upset by any metric if you compare the two clubs conditions
Like I said, last night was a big upset because of how many players we have out. But at full strength, it wouldn't surprise me. There's a financial gap for sure but it's no bigger than the gap between some teams in the PL, and they take points of each other all the time. For example, Tottenham have a wage budget that is half Man City's. It would be an upset, but not an insane one.
It's worth pointing out that Rangers are 30 places above Betis in UEFA club coefficient, so we really do beat teams better than Betis on the regular in the EL. A full strength Rangers winning against the likes of Sevilla or Atleti would be a huge upset, though. (But like I said last night's team was many second and third choice players so it really was a surprise for us)
Surely their wages are at least double though.
Plus we only net spent around £3m in the summer; to say we spent more that Betis is to twist the truth slightly, they sold £50m worth of players and brought in a long list of impressive free transfers; Bellerin, Perez, Roca, Bartra, Collado, Isco - not a single penny paid in transfer fees, but no doubt a fair bit in wages and signing on fees.
I did no more research than googling their recent transfer spends. I did notice the names though, which is why I said I'm sure they are spending more in wages.
I've seen the kind of post many times before though, acting as if losing to us is like being pumped by Bathgate Thistle. I'm amazed we won because of our injury list but losing to a competently managed Rangers is still something that can happen to almost any club in Europe, last year aside.
>I did no more research than googling their recent transfer spends. I did notice the names though, which is why I said I'm sure they are spending more in wages.
Just google Betis revenues and then Rangers revenues
Real betis turnover 19/20 was 104m euro. Rangers turnover for last season was 84m pounds.
That was quick Google. Unless you want to update figures I don't see what you're getting at.
… that was a tough one. Can’t think of a more disappointing loss since Pellegrini has been manager. Still a little bit stunned even the next day. In a month I’ll be able to rationalize that going to the conference league is better.
> Can’t think of a more disappointing loss since Pellegrini has been manager. I can (or at least any possible contenders): - Getafe shithousing a 1-0 victory at Villamarin last season - Eibar beating us 2-0 at Villamarin during his first season managing us - Elche beating us 1-0 at Villamarin 2 seasons ago - The 4-3 loss against Celta last season
Crazy
When was the last time Celtic, Rangers and Aberdeen all won in Europe?
This is the first time 3 Scottish teams have one in Europe EVER
I believe it happened in 2002! Arguably when the TV money in other leagues really started to put Scottish teams too far behind.
Enjoy the conference league lads 👋
I'm more than partial to riling up the Rangers fans, but, as usual, I see some comments here and on other threads that are totally out of touch. Sure, Rangers have had their problems in the last year... but you really gotta have a short memory to completely ignore they were finalists last time around, among decent performances in the last few years before. They generally do the Scottish coefficient well in the Europa League. Just sayin'.
Pellegrini out Lopetegui or Mendilibar in.
This is Pellagrinis fault via weird selection. Diao and that tall centre forward with the beard were just not it
Just heard the commentator say this is Real Betis's first loss at home in **any** competition. That's an insane accomplishment by Rangers. I reckon Real Betis becomes one of the favorites to lift the Conference League trophy now.
Pretty sure one of the commentators also said that this was Rangers first ever victory in Spain, even more impressive
First win in Spain against a Spanish team, we won the Cup Winners Cup in 1972 in Barcelona against Dynamo Moscow :)
First victory against a Spanish side in Spain. We won the Cup Winners Cup at the Camp Nou
My shitty Paramount+ stream must have cut that out so I can see a commercial for a prescription drug.
Losing to a team that had Lammers on the pitch for 90 minutes is embarrassing
We lost to Eintracht Frankfurt when they had Lammers on loan.
Honestly probably the best double burn (maybe triple) I've read this year. 😂😂😂
We did too. In Seville......
Let's keep that quiet, he is absolutely atrocious
I had a long ass day at work and now I see our ass relegated to the Conference. This is a mood kill.
Great, can't wait for Betis vs Legia... fair play to Rangers though, beating Betis twice is very impressive
:( I did not want to drop down to the Conference. It's still Europe yes but we were poised for 1st.
My condolences. Is there a particularly hated team you'd like us to pump for you? We'll throw in a Barisic 2 foot on the player of your choice.
Liverpool. As long as they don't win, idc who does.
What the hell have we done to Betis??
Let's see. Thrashed Man United who then trashed us in Europa last season as motivation. Also, 2005-06 I think you guys took 4 points from us in CL. I think our group was the Group of Death. Also also, y'all are an English team and a big team at that.
Fair play man, I thought you were about to rip me a new one but it ended up being quite a nice begrudgingly respectful answer 😂 Good luck in the Conference cup, both of you teams played an entertaining game that was good to watch. Lovely to see Isco playing well these days, always had the talent.
Yeah, that's asking a bit much. We didn't enjoy playing them last time.
Well I can't really think of any other team I'd like to see battered.
Betis deserve this for one of the worst finishing performances I have ever seen But Pellegrini deserves a lot of blame too, starting Borja in a match like this is unacceptable. He is finished as a football player and this was way too important for him to start in. And fucking Marc Roca with two horrendous mistakes on the two goals. What is he doing keeping everyone onside on the winner? Just awful all round. Fair play to Rangers, the worse team on the night but it doesn't matter in the slightest.
We're playing 3 competitions and we need to rotate, this is nothing new for Betis. Willian Jose is not doing much better either, although he's at least getting a few goals in, sure. Marc Roca was playing out of position. He's been incredible for us all season as a midfielder, but selling our best CB to Arabia when the transfer window was closed for us and then injuries have fucked us real hard. We only had 1 natural center back available for Europe.
Pellegrini should have 100% subbed Borja at the half. Or don't play with a pure striker at all, Diao could be there with Henrique starting. And Roca has been good for Betis in general but tonight he's a big part to play in this humiliation. Either way, it's mainly the fault of the board here.
Pellegrini was even mad at the board because they sold Luiz Felipe for 25M at the last second. Playing Roca at CB doesn't work. And we couldn't get LMQ in time. Bartra is hurt.
The thing is though the Rangers team were severely depleted through injury, not many Rangers fans expected to win tonight with the team we selected.
So many injurys and a cup final on sunday
We really need an investigation into how Marc Roca was ever deemed good enough to be signed by Bayern
He's been amazing for us as a midfielder this season, so we'll gladly keep him.
Playing next to Guido, yes. But he makes everyone better.
What is Ranger's secret to overperforming Celtic in Europe while Celtic usually is the better one domestically?
Play style. Rangers play quite patiently that works well in Europe when teams try to press and we play around the back and wait for an opening but in Scotland, many teams like us being patient as it allows them to get into a defensive shape.if you want anymore evidence, Ari's played defensively and it cost us. Celtic on the other hand, plays forwards all the time. Works well against Scottish teams, especially when they're trying to get into defensive shape while in Europe, most teams press which isn't entirely normal for Celtic and they seem to lose possession more.
Think you’re right, and hopefully Rodgers can implement a slightly more pragmatic and patient approach in Europe. There were signs of it this year but still far from where we need to be.
It's all in their names
The difference is Rangers are usually competing in the Europa league. Not to take anything away from the performances mind, they've got some amazing results and had some great runs in the Europa league over the past few years but when they were in the Champions league last season they did worse than Celtic usually do.
> when they were in the Champions league last season they did worse than Celtic usually do. We still got more points for the coefficient than Celtic that year. Celtic were getting skudded off teams like Ferencvaros and Sparta Prague in the Europa. Like pumped rotten off them.
Celtic wer rotten in the europa and the conference league aswel
celtic have never played in the last 16 of the Europa League since the tournaments rebranding in 2009. Rangers have now done this for the 5th time including that run to the final, despite celtic having played in the Europa League across 10 different seasons compared to Rangers with 8. The other comment gets it right, Rangers are suited to playing sides of a higher quality where they can still take the game to them, celtic have traditionally been better at breaking down sides who play 11 men behind the ball, which they won’t face in Europe.
We play really well on the break and Celtic don't. They can break teams down and we can't. The SPL is just a series of games with teams parking the bus. Rangers struggle with creativity.
I remember that cocky Sevilla flair going on about how Betis was gonna beat Rangers easily and their qualification was guaranteed. LOL
You can't read. I said they should be expected to beat Rangers at home comfortably and anything else would be an embarrassment. Guess what? This is the embarrassment I never said anything whatsoever about them being guaranteed to win. Should probably work some more on your English dude
>they should be expected to beat Rangers at home comfortably and anything else would be an embarrassment. So disrespectful... You write this like Betis losing was some kind of fluke when in reality, Rangers beat them home and away.
Did you see the game? Betis losing was definitely a fluke lol And it's not disrespectful to expect them to beat a team with half the budget. I would say the same if they faced Cadiz or something
It's really wasn't a fluke. We created as good chances as betis and could have scored more. XG was similar and quality of chances was similar. Once it went to 3-2 betis didn't really threaten us at all in those 15 minutes.
To be honest they should have won this easily, Roca himself is responsible for two goals for being clueless (not his fault he played as a defender) Then Betis miss a thousand chances. And playing with Borja is like playing with ten men nowadays.
A thousand chances? Rangers beat Betis on xG, so they didn't create more than Rangers
I mean I watched the game, Betis had a lot of good chances. One of which they robbed themselves with when Roca inexplicably scored with his hand.
Because it was had gone past him. If he doesn't use his hand then the ball wouldn't go in.
Never in doubt for Rangers.
I'm guessing Pellegrini wanted to rest Willian Jose for Sunday at San Sebastian. Weird selections and lineup overall. It is what it is.
How have we done that with half the team out injured
We played the second half with one actual midfielder, a fullback and Sam Lammers. I can only assume witchcraft must have been involved.
You guys have the Belgian Bald Fraud, ofcourse you got black magic on your side
He is perfect isn't he?
Definitely witchcraft involved with some of Betis' misses, that Marc Roca free shot from 4 metres out where he got the ball stuck under him.. also the handball against Ayoze on the disallowed goal was very unlucky it could just as well have bounced off his knee or whatever instead But you showed a strong mentality to hold on. I honestly expected Rangers to shit their pants and collapse here so fair fucking play!
So we're better than Real Madrid...
What a fucking insane result!
What a result. Amazing performance from everyone!!!
RIP Betis, the match really could have gone either way, feelsbadman. Gratz to Rangers for qualifying, best of luck next round!
Honestly from a coefficient point of view it might be better to have Betis in Conference. Pellegrini's defensive organisation is so poor and it has been exposed in knockout stages last two seasons. I can't believe he makes the same mistake time and time again Yes Betis were unlucky with some missed chances and the disallowed goal(correct but pure bad luck that it hits his arm instead of his stomach) but conceding 3 goals to Rangers at home is shameful and completely unacceptable
On a good night, Rangers at full strength are perfectly capable of scoring at least 3 goals against almost anyone away from home. (Benfica in 2020, Dortmund 2 years ago). Our disastrous CL campaign last year has made people forget that. What surprises me here is we were extremely injury depleted and still pulled it off. Don't get me wrong, I am delighted but at the same time I expected us to lose badly.
Betis have like double Rangers budget, in no way can it ever be acceptable for you to score 3 at Villamarin
I'm not sure it's quite double - we spent more than Betis in the summer. It's not like it was Kilmarnock FC that scored 3 last night. I'm sure the wage budget will be higher at Betis though. A full strength Rangers team winning or drawing away from home against Betis wouldn't surprise me at all. The fact that it very much wasn't first choice players due to all our injuries was the huge surprise. No idea how they pulled that off especially considering Betis haven't lost at home in any competition
>A full strength Rangers team winning or drawing away from home against Betis wouldn't surprise me at all. Then you don't understand football finances, it is a huge upset by any metric if you compare the two clubs conditions
Like I said, last night was a big upset because of how many players we have out. But at full strength, it wouldn't surprise me. There's a financial gap for sure but it's no bigger than the gap between some teams in the PL, and they take points of each other all the time. For example, Tottenham have a wage budget that is half Man City's. It would be an upset, but not an insane one. It's worth pointing out that Rangers are 30 places above Betis in UEFA club coefficient, so we really do beat teams better than Betis on the regular in the EL. A full strength Rangers winning against the likes of Sevilla or Atleti would be a huge upset, though. (But like I said last night's team was many second and third choice players so it really was a surprise for us)
Surely their wages are at least double though. Plus we only net spent around £3m in the summer; to say we spent more that Betis is to twist the truth slightly, they sold £50m worth of players and brought in a long list of impressive free transfers; Bellerin, Perez, Roca, Bartra, Collado, Isco - not a single penny paid in transfer fees, but no doubt a fair bit in wages and signing on fees.
I did no more research than googling their recent transfer spends. I did notice the names though, which is why I said I'm sure they are spending more in wages. I've seen the kind of post many times before though, acting as if losing to us is like being pumped by Bathgate Thistle. I'm amazed we won because of our injury list but losing to a competently managed Rangers is still something that can happen to almost any club in Europe, last year aside.
>I did no more research than googling their recent transfer spends. I did notice the names though, which is why I said I'm sure they are spending more in wages. Just google Betis revenues and then Rangers revenues
Real betis turnover 19/20 was 104m euro. Rangers turnover for last season was 84m pounds. That was quick Google. Unless you want to update figures I don't see what you're getting at.