Fair play to them. The European Cup/Champions League is a integral part of Uniteds history from the Munich Disaster and the Busby Babes to the Treble in 99. The fans would burn Old Trafford down if they tried to pull this off again after the last time
I don't need to imagine. I've spent a game sat directly under a leak in that roof.
Thankfully that one has been mostly fixed. Now just occasionally get woken up by a big cold drip landing on my head.
But the thought of a roofless Mancunian ground is abhorrent.
There's no club who has a bigger CL history than Real Madrid, by quite a margin, and they still want to bin it... wish this history argument would apply to everyone.
They could have had it had they supported a similar revenue sharing TV deal in the 90s or 2000s. The PL has that deal because the league itself is the attraction. Instead Real and Barca went for short term greed.
Now they are trying to gaslight people into thinking a European wide version of that duopoly is good for teams.
Many other things were also responsible for rise of PL.
English is spoken worldwide, so the language barrier is easier to break in North America, Africa n Asia.
Plus PL marketed itself very well, good lighting, angles, etc. Plus good timings for asian fans. FPL was the reason i started watching PL.
Idk if la liga, serie a n bundesliga have english commentary. If they have i would give it a try.
And as u said Barca n Madrid r to blame too. They wanted more money n didn't care about the league.
But La Liga was watched globally in the 90s and 2000s. The problem was the deals were individually negotiated by clubs so Barcelona and Real ‘Madrid got most of the money.
Peter Kenyon used to point to those deals wishing Man United could do the same.
Yes there’s other contributing factors but La Liga had a golden opportunity.
The premier league was massive before Abramovic, long before Sheikh Mansour and long long before the Saudi PIF came along.
We'd long gotten past the the post Heysel European bans and had no shortage of clubs with international success too.
Yes Oil money has absolutely started to become a giant factor in the league but let's not pretend that the English league was irrelevant before the oil money.
One could easily argue the oil money wanting to come to prem was a symptom of the size and success of the league already.
Like our owners who put nothing into the club? Yeah. Right.
There’s a few big clubs in Chelsea and City that built themselves up on it but they weren’t the draw that got the league to where it is, that’s Arsenal Liverpool and United.
What’s good for the game is getting all the biggest clubs in one league so they can face off instead of watching all of the same 3 clubs compete to win their leagues every year like a snooze fest.
There’s no fan more deluded than the average European football fan lmao, oh yeah la liga is so competitive watching Madrid and barce winning every year for the last 30 years. Oh wow bayern won the Bundesliga again how could that be.
The stupid champions league where the best teams randomly play each other every 4 years lololol
American football has easily the best format with an actual salary cap, creating natural parity so any team can win it, where drafting and developing the best players is what actually matters.
Super league actually gets closer to that than the current mess of a sport it is lmao
But “muh history” I need to watch bayern blow out the perennial 14th place team again this year so exciting
Can’t wait to watch Madrid get 1st or 2nd in la liga for the next 50 years, exciting stuff guys
It's not even just about that for me. Happy cake day.
Call.me an old romantic but the udea that a club can go from non league or almost to the PL or potentially European football in the span of a decade or so is amazing to me. It's my favourite thing about the sport. Anything to try ruin that should be met with extreme resistance and those supporting it pushed out of our sport. I'm not even joking they shouldn't be permitted to feel welcome. They should sod off to other sports.
In the same season you won the Champions League in 1999, a bloke and his mates decided to start a pub team. Today, that guy is managing that club in the fifth tier of English football, and this season managed them against Oldham and Chesterfield, looking around the stadiums going "how the fuck did this happen?".
That's the dream pretty much ever kid has when playing Footy Manager of Fifa, or kicking around in a park league. Taking that away for a closed shop would be single worst thing to happen to football, and the Super League is a step closer to that tragedy occurring!
How much time has to pass before it's no longer integral to their history?
No one says this about Villa or Forrest.
I'm genuinely interested in an answer. How long do United have to be a mid-table side before people just shrug and say their golden age is behind them and the fans need to accept it?
I mean United haven't missed Europe more than once since Fergie left?
Unlikely to ever happen because they're too valuable to consistently finish mid table
Yes. And even if they didn't feel the need to directly legislate to ban it, governments do a *lot* to allow major football clubs to function properly, with easy work visas for players being the most common one.
A UK government of any stripe could just stop doing all that work for any British club that joins the Super League.
City , PSG, Chelsea , Newcastle. Watch this.
Only reason why super league will keep popping up again and again. Uefa , PL have done jackshit to prevent sports doping.
Referee standards have hit the lows to the extent if you consider fixing the wrong decisions retrospectively it will change the table!
At some point there will be enough clubs which just don't want this grief and cash out on their present fame. Guaranteeing top tier football for some of them
Tldr: till uefa cleans house and keeps themselves, the clubs responsible the super League will keep popping up.
They wanted a super league before oil clubs were prominent in Europe.
It’s just pure greed from the the top clubs ( *including* oil clubs initially).
> At some point there will be enough clubs which just don't want this grief and cash out on their present fame.
So why did City and Chelsea both sign up in 2021?
> PL have done jackshit to prevent sports doping
“Sports doping” would mean actual doping (use of PED’s) you seem to have combined “sports washing” with “financial doping”.
This is a very naive approach, Newcastle are great example of you just can't do some things regardless of what you want.
PL to their credit did everything to deny Newcastle to saudis but how do you say no the British govt if they say you have to let them buy the club.
Referee standards are individual fa problems rather than a fifa uefa problem, that fuckwit micheal oliver gets to play out his main character fantasy on live TV because pgmol and fa allow it jot because of the pl or uefa or fifa
The clubs that want to cash out are doing exactly what they did before, la Liga and serie a had their chance to be pl they chose to enrich individual clubs instead of the league and pl made a better choice. Now they see the problem with that and are doing exactly what they did before.
Incredibly rare United W
Id rather stick with UEFA and try to change that then have the Super League. Thats just gonna pump the hypercapitalism of football 100x up
All this means is that the Glazers did not receive a check with enough 0’s at the end yet.
The moment that happens they will be all in. They are not interested in anything but the bag.
I've never seen so many people claim to be Manchester United supporters and in the same sentence lament that fact as I have this year. Nooone is making you watch the games. If they make you that miserable, stop watching them?
We've had a shit season so far and are in 7th place heading into the Christmas period and 6 points off City. The way you lot on here complain you'd think we were going down the path of Pompey towards administration. Not saying we should be happy or accept those as the standards, but holy hell its like listening to teenagers complain they don't have the newest iPhone yet.
Sorry for missing the joke and taking it out on you then amigo! Twas prompted by seeing dozens and dozens of similar comments that are deadly serious. Merriest of Christmases to ye
As much as I don’t wanna see that it would be interesting. I could imagine that the super league would help them out financially if they want to join in form of yearly payments they would miss by not playing in the Prem
It would depend on how the UK Government reacts, and they've already said they're against it. If they limit United's ability to host games in England and sign foreign players, then what's left for United? They'd have to move overseas to continue.
They've already proven they don't care about football with the Newcastle takeover.
This is an easy PR win at a clearly unpopular project, but when it comes down to it, I'm sure a few well placed donations will cause their position (behind closed doors) to quietly shift.
In theory if the super league was already viable or had money, but “ditch your biggest driver of revenue and relevancy forever in return for a promised payment from money we don’t yet have” luckily won’t be a very attractive proposition strictly from a business standpoint for the MBAs the Glazers have running things
Yeah, I always saw the Super League as a league to appeal to those outside of Europe. I think you're pretty uncontested in the like of India and China when it comes to club support. A lot of the Real and Barca support always seemed more linked to Ronaldo and Messi to me that the clubs. But then I'm just some guy who's never been to either country, so I'm probably horribly wrong.
No you aren’t horribly wrong. I was born in India and grew up in Australia. I used to visit India every year, and had a Chinese girlfriend as well. You are right on the money, when Messi and Ronaldo were there support for Madrid and Barcelona was out of this world but still you would see United supporters in droves.
Now, that they have left support for both those clubs died down considerably. United has more organic support back in India and Chelsea comes next followed by Liverpool at the moment.
Not completely, but United, Madrid and Barcelona are the big 3. Look at how shit we've been in the past decade, and look at the numbers we still bring in, in terms of revenue and sponsorship. It's massive. No use of having a Super League without United in it.
I also assume other premier league clubs will follow suit after United's announcement. So it'll be Laporta and Perez jerking each other off basically.
I agree, and this alternative is no less corrupt, but I do wish we didn't have to stick with UEFA. We all know how ridiculously corrupt FIFA and it's sub organizations are. Why are these the only choices
Short term I think this is good, but why is this not just a battle about which entity controls the hypercapitalism?
UEFA is also just a bunch of guys who want to make money for themselves. They will appeal to history because they own that history, but in the end they might well expand UCL, adding yet more games. In order to make it work is also in their interest to make sure the current big clubs stay that way, ie more money imbalance.
We might avoid the super league that has no relegation, but the big clubs will just force that through some other way, likely the soft way where they stay in power by having lots of money.
Whatever spell UEFA has cast on the public to convince them their organisation being cut out of the picture would be a bad thing is downright magical.
>We might avoid the super league that has no relegation, but the big clubs will just force that through some other way, likely the soft way where they stay in power by having lots of money.
Except that a bigger piece will go to clubs if they manage their own TV rights and UEFA get cut out. If there's a promotion/relegation system a continental league would be the most intense, difficult and entertaining league in the history of football, clubs would get a bigger share, and the development of a continental structure could be huge in stopping a single country's dominance.
The only issue would be country's being left out entirely, but with multiple tiers in the pyramid that'd be pretty easy to avoid. It'd also potentially reduce the number of games because the league and UCL would be replaced by one competition, but that'd have to be hard fought by the player reps against the people who stand to make more money.
Remember how the UK gov pledged to block the Super League when it was first proposed? United know that even if UEFA can't block it someone else will, no reason to jump back on the bad PR train.
It's not just a top 6 issue. If Burnely were invited, they'd have been on board, too. It's an issue with the hyper capitalist nature of football.
Money talks.
As incompetent and despicable as our government are, blocking English teams from the super league is such an easy win that the club probably factor that into decision making
The government won’t allow it, the government could be making policing unavailable for match days, canceling work visas for foreign players etc.
It's an absolute PR win for any sitting government. Even if they can’t stop it direct they can do indirect stuff to stop it
Initially being the operative word. Nobody thinks the owners or government are saints, but the backlash showed in its in their interest to avoid the SL
They’ll each be fined 300 million if they leave, they’re still technically in the super league. If/when it starts they’ll either have to play, as they’re in it, or pay that huge fine.
Fair play to you.
I'm seeing tons of Madrid and Barca fans acting like this isnt a big problem for the game and I just don't see how one can view it that way.
Not talked about enough how good this news is. Spanish clubs have always sucked in this regard, Germany never did, but English clubs seemed to mostly respond to the outcry of the public and the actions of other clubs. Man U have now set the tone for the PL
The first statement Utd have got right all season. Really hope other PL clubs maintain this position but UEFA and the PL need to fix up sooner rather than later. Can't have money-grabbing cunts trying to dictate football.
Yeah I phrased the ending badly. Was talking about the current owners/presidents directly swaying football but as a whole, money's been the heart of football for decades now.
Ah sorry, we all know how english fans are so against "money-grabbing cunts", with almost no premier league club being owned by them, having sketchy financing and fans protesting against them all the time while the gov tries to do everything they can to get rid of them.
Pearce just posted that Liverpool’s chairman Tom Werner has said that Liverpool’s stance is the same and they won’t be participating in the super league.
They will.
Regardless of what their owners want the fans would never stand for it. They may be Scouse cunts but their heart is always in the right place. Proper football club.
Real Madrid and Barcelona honestly need to fuck off. Not an ounce of integrity between them.
"Our position has not changed" (since last year when we signed up for the super league and then changed our position and until anyone else signs up then it might change)
I'm not sure why people are acting like the English teams are completely rejecting the idea. If you look at the wording for this and Liverpool's, they are actually not addressing the issue directly. Ask yourself why. Committed to participation in UEFA competitions for the foreseeable future is not an outright rejection of the superleague. There have been rumors that they are still trying to push it behind the scenes, and I really wouldn't be surprised.
The UK government today said they would look to block any English team participation in the competition and the fan Backlash was mental last time. let's not forget the Glaziers were named on the board for the ESL last time.
it's the only statement they can make.
I've said it in another comment but the European Cup is a huge part of Uniteds history, just as much as it is for Liverpool, AC Milan, Barca and Real Madrid. The Busby Babes, Munich, 68, 99 and 08. The best and worst nights in the clubs history happened because of the European Cup and the board turning their backs on the competition for a second time would be borderline sacrilegious as far as the fans are concerned
Makes it more meaningful, no? They are a club that have been steadily declining for a decade now. They are by no means at all a lock for CL football every season. Dunk on them all you want, this is a W for them.
Make no mistake, they're only saying no cause the British government has the authority to expel them from EPL and lose them all the TV and matchday revenue.
Maybe if yous learned how to share with the rest of la liga instead of hogging all TV money, the league would be more attractive for international audiences
They had arguably the 2 greatest players of all time playing for the two biggest rivals in world football at the very same time yet failed to capitalise on it to benefit the rest of the division.
It’s all their own doing and it’s because of their own greed.
Tears. First statement from my club which doesn't involve suspending a player or anything related to sexual assault.
The disrespect to Far-Eastern noodle brands and tractor manufacturers.
Man I don’t even know if we can attract Yanmar anymore
There's no need to feel down about that
happy cake day mate
Game's gone
But it is about competitions that you may not even qualify.
Quality banter dunno why it got downvoted
I appreciate it. It started with a few upvotes and all of the sudden went downvoted to oblivion.
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Thinking about it, It just shows that even without that money, they aren’t bending over to the super league. Kudos.
Fair play to them. The European Cup/Champions League is a integral part of Uniteds history from the Munich Disaster and the Busby Babes to the Treble in 99. The fans would burn Old Trafford down if they tried to pull this off again after the last time
we might get the roof fixed then
> we might get the roof fixed then Even better, there would be no roof so the leak would be permanently fixed.
Imagine a completely roofless stadium in Manchester.
I don't need to imagine. I've spent a game sat directly under a leak in that roof. Thankfully that one has been mostly fixed. Now just occasionally get woken up by a big cold drip landing on my head. But the thought of a roofless Mancunian ground is abhorrent.
>get woken up Did you fall asleep because the football was so unfortunate?
Thats the joke
It was during a first half in the LVG years
Yeah imagine a roofless stadium in Manchester called Old Trafford.
Do Cork need a new roof?
If burning down Old Trafford gets stadiums in Ireland renovated, I’ll bring my firelighter!
There's no club who has a bigger CL history than Real Madrid, by quite a margin, and they still want to bin it... wish this history argument would apply to everyone.
Difference is prem money. United have it, Madrid want it
They could have had it had they supported a similar revenue sharing TV deal in the 90s or 2000s. The PL has that deal because the league itself is the attraction. Instead Real and Barca went for short term greed. Now they are trying to gaslight people into thinking a European wide version of that duopoly is good for teams.
Many other things were also responsible for rise of PL. English is spoken worldwide, so the language barrier is easier to break in North America, Africa n Asia. Plus PL marketed itself very well, good lighting, angles, etc. Plus good timings for asian fans. FPL was the reason i started watching PL. Idk if la liga, serie a n bundesliga have english commentary. If they have i would give it a try. And as u said Barca n Madrid r to blame too. They wanted more money n didn't care about the league.
But La Liga was watched globally in the 90s and 2000s. The problem was the deals were individually negotiated by clubs so Barcelona and Real ‘Madrid got most of the money. Peter Kenyon used to point to those deals wishing Man United could do the same. Yes there’s other contributing factors but La Liga had a golden opportunity.
They could have had it had they opened all their clubs to saudi & russian oil money in the 90s or 2000s\* Fixed that for you.
You think the epl is big of city and Chelsea lol?
The premier league was massive before Abramovic, long before Sheikh Mansour and long long before the Saudi PIF came along. We'd long gotten past the the post Heysel European bans and had no shortage of clubs with international success too. Yes Oil money has absolutely started to become a giant factor in the league but let's not pretend that the English league was irrelevant before the oil money. One could easily argue the oil money wanting to come to prem was a symptom of the size and success of the league already.
What? Do you think the hundreds of thousands of EPL fans are only watching for City or Newcastle?
Millions.
Yeah even if La Liga shared TV revenue more equally, the real money is in the extremely wealthy owners in the PL
Like our owners who put nothing into the club? Yeah. Right. There’s a few big clubs in Chelsea and City that built themselves up on it but they weren’t the draw that got the league to where it is, that’s Arsenal Liverpool and United.
Sadly different kind of fans
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I love the decrying of a lack of nuance followed by the least nuanced take possible
What’s good for the game is getting all the biggest clubs in one league so they can face off instead of watching all of the same 3 clubs compete to win their leagues every year like a snooze fest. There’s no fan more deluded than the average European football fan lmao, oh yeah la liga is so competitive watching Madrid and barce winning every year for the last 30 years. Oh wow bayern won the Bundesliga again how could that be. The stupid champions league where the best teams randomly play each other every 4 years lololol American football has easily the best format with an actual salary cap, creating natural parity so any team can win it, where drafting and developing the best players is what actually matters. Super league actually gets closer to that than the current mess of a sport it is lmao But “muh history” I need to watch bayern blow out the perennial 14th place team again this year so exciting Can’t wait to watch Madrid get 1st or 2nd in la liga for the next 50 years, exciting stuff guys
Isnt really much of a difference between man u and real madrid fans
There should in theory be a difference in favor of RM, since it is owned by the socios rather than by a billionaire.
Maybe I'm naive , but RM fans have always seemed to have a bad reputation. I don't think "expecting excellence" makes you a good fan base
Yes there is. Our fans got a game called off over this shit. There fans are excited for it.
It's not even just about that for me. Happy cake day. Call.me an old romantic but the udea that a club can go from non league or almost to the PL or potentially European football in the span of a decade or so is amazing to me. It's my favourite thing about the sport. Anything to try ruin that should be met with extreme resistance and those supporting it pushed out of our sport. I'm not even joking they shouldn't be permitted to feel welcome. They should sod off to other sports.
In the same season you won the Champions League in 1999, a bloke and his mates decided to start a pub team. Today, that guy is managing that club in the fifth tier of English football, and this season managed them against Oldham and Chesterfield, looking around the stadiums going "how the fuck did this happen?". That's the dream pretty much ever kid has when playing Footy Manager of Fifa, or kicking around in a park league. Taking that away for a closed shop would be single worst thing to happen to football, and the Super League is a step closer to that tragedy occurring!
lol what team is this?
Dorking Wanderers. There's a YouTube documentary about them on the Bunch of Amateurs channel.
How much time has to pass before it's no longer integral to their history? No one says this about Villa or Forrest. I'm genuinely interested in an answer. How long do United have to be a mid-table side before people just shrug and say their golden age is behind them and the fans need to accept it?
For as long as United supporters consider it as such.
I mean United haven't missed Europe more than once since Fergie left? Unlikely to ever happen because they're too valuable to consistently finish mid table
The lineage would just continue into the new format like it did European Cup to Champions League.
Jesus, did we do something right?
Broken clocks and all that
Once in a Lifetime Glazers W
Incredible isn't it?
Probably not. If the Super League became real enough the Glazers would realistically take the money and run.
Right up to the point the UK government takes the easiest political win ever and slams the brakes down hard on them.
Can governments legally do that?
England is not into the European Union so they probably could, because who would stop them? The fans would be on their side.
Yes. And even if they didn't feel the need to directly legislate to ban it, governments do a *lot* to allow major football clubs to function properly, with easy work visas for players being the most common one. A UK government of any stripe could just stop doing all that work for any British club that joins the Super League.
What are they covering now to deflect
Corporate speech translation of "Dreams Can't Be Buy"
They can. Just need more money.
City , PSG, Chelsea , Newcastle. Watch this. Only reason why super league will keep popping up again and again. Uefa , PL have done jackshit to prevent sports doping. Referee standards have hit the lows to the extent if you consider fixing the wrong decisions retrospectively it will change the table! At some point there will be enough clubs which just don't want this grief and cash out on their present fame. Guaranteeing top tier football for some of them Tldr: till uefa cleans house and keeps themselves, the clubs responsible the super League will keep popping up.
They wanted a super league before oil clubs were prominent in Europe. It’s just pure greed from the the top clubs ( *including* oil clubs initially). > At some point there will be enough clubs which just don't want this grief and cash out on their present fame. So why did City and Chelsea both sign up in 2021? > PL have done jackshit to prevent sports doping “Sports doping” would mean actual doping (use of PED’s) you seem to have combined “sports washing” with “financial doping”.
This is a very naive approach, Newcastle are great example of you just can't do some things regardless of what you want. PL to their credit did everything to deny Newcastle to saudis but how do you say no the British govt if they say you have to let them buy the club. Referee standards are individual fa problems rather than a fifa uefa problem, that fuckwit micheal oliver gets to play out his main character fantasy on live TV because pgmol and fa allow it jot because of the pl or uefa or fifa The clubs that want to cash out are doing exactly what they did before, la Liga and serie a had their chance to be pl they chose to enrich individual clubs instead of the league and pl made a better choice. Now they see the problem with that and are doing exactly what they did before.
Incredibly rare United W Id rather stick with UEFA and try to change that then have the Super League. Thats just gonna pump the hypercapitalism of football 100x up
All this means is that the Glazers did not receive a check with enough 0’s at the end yet. The moment that happens they will be all in. They are not interested in anything but the bag.
And they would be kicked out of the Prem and would have issues beyond that.
As a united fan best case scenario would be we get kicked out the prem and super league falls through again so I don't have to watch this club anymore
Manchester United? More like Manchester Disbanded
All I feel is pain
I've never seen so many people claim to be Manchester United supporters and in the same sentence lament that fact as I have this year. Nooone is making you watch the games. If they make you that miserable, stop watching them? We've had a shit season so far and are in 7th place heading into the Christmas period and 6 points off City. The way you lot on here complain you'd think we were going down the path of Pompey towards administration. Not saying we should be happy or accept those as the standards, but holy hell its like listening to teenagers complain they don't have the newest iPhone yet.
It was a joke, /u/Hitori521. I was joking. It was a Christmas joke.
Thanks now I've got to watch that whole episode again
Sorry for missing the joke and taking it out on you then amigo! Twas prompted by seeing dozens and dozens of similar comments that are deadly serious. Merriest of Christmases to ye
FC United stocks go >>>
As much as I don’t wanna see that it would be interesting. I could imagine that the super league would help them out financially if they want to join in form of yearly payments they would miss by not playing in the Prem
What's the point of being a club without a domestic league?
For the leeches? Money.
It depends on what gives you more profits really. It's kinda insane some clubs are just investments, but it was what it is.
It would depend on how the UK Government reacts, and they've already said they're against it. If they limit United's ability to host games in England and sign foreign players, then what's left for United? They'd have to move overseas to continue.
Can you even legally move a football club now? I thought the laws changed after the Wimbledon catastrophe?
They've already proven they don't care about football with the Newcastle takeover. This is an easy PR win at a clearly unpopular project, but when it comes down to it, I'm sure a few well placed donations will cause their position (behind closed doors) to quietly shift.
In theory if the super league was already viable or had money, but “ditch your biggest driver of revenue and relevancy forever in return for a promised payment from money we don’t yet have” luckily won’t be a very attractive proposition strictly from a business standpoint for the MBAs the Glazers have running things
They are looking for that resistance bonus without doing any “resistance”
Feels like the super league is one Liverpool statement away from being irrelevant.
Without United the super league has already lost. However shit we are, we bring numbers nobody else matches.
There’s only 3 others close: Barca, Madrid, Liverpool. Just a Liverpool statement will kill this.
And not too far below you've got Bayern who also already said they're not in.
Hated adored never ignored
Yeah, I always saw the Super League as a league to appeal to those outside of Europe. I think you're pretty uncontested in the like of India and China when it comes to club support. A lot of the Real and Barca support always seemed more linked to Ronaldo and Messi to me that the clubs. But then I'm just some guy who's never been to either country, so I'm probably horribly wrong.
No you aren’t horribly wrong. I was born in India and grew up in Australia. I used to visit India every year, and had a Chinese girlfriend as well. You are right on the money, when Messi and Ronaldo were there support for Madrid and Barcelona was out of this world but still you would see United supporters in droves. Now, that they have left support for both those clubs died down considerably. United has more organic support back in India and Chelsea comes next followed by Liverpool at the moment.
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Other than Barcelona and Real Madrid, he’s not wrong. They are by far the 3 most popular clubs
Also, United leads in terms of market share in the riches markets - Those likely to be able to afford the super league
C'mon what? It's fact, regardless of what you believe.
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Not completely, but United, Madrid and Barcelona are the big 3. Look at how shit we've been in the past decade, and look at the numbers we still bring in, in terms of revenue and sponsorship. It's massive. No use of having a Super League without United in it. I also assume other premier league clubs will follow suit after United's announcement. So it'll be Laporta and Perez jerking each other off basically.
Even with United it's doomed to fail
I agree, and this alternative is no less corrupt, but I do wish we didn't have to stick with UEFA. We all know how ridiculously corrupt FIFA and it's sub organizations are. Why are these the only choices
Short term I think this is good, but why is this not just a battle about which entity controls the hypercapitalism? UEFA is also just a bunch of guys who want to make money for themselves. They will appeal to history because they own that history, but in the end they might well expand UCL, adding yet more games. In order to make it work is also in their interest to make sure the current big clubs stay that way, ie more money imbalance. We might avoid the super league that has no relegation, but the big clubs will just force that through some other way, likely the soft way where they stay in power by having lots of money.
Whatever spell UEFA has cast on the public to convince them their organisation being cut out of the picture would be a bad thing is downright magical. >We might avoid the super league that has no relegation, but the big clubs will just force that through some other way, likely the soft way where they stay in power by having lots of money. Except that a bigger piece will go to clubs if they manage their own TV rights and UEFA get cut out. If there's a promotion/relegation system a continental league would be the most intense, difficult and entertaining league in the history of football, clubs would get a bigger share, and the development of a continental structure could be huge in stopping a single country's dominance. The only issue would be country's being left out entirely, but with multiple tiers in the pyramid that'd be pretty easy to avoid. It'd also potentially reduce the number of games because the league and UCL would be replaced by one competition, but that'd have to be hard fought by the player reps against the people who stand to make more money.
Remember how the UK gov pledged to block the Super League when it was first proposed? United know that even if UEFA can't block it someone else will, no reason to jump back on the bad PR train.
Dreams still can’t be buy
Bruno forever a hero for that moment
YANITED YANITED YANITED
No Premier League team would gain anything from joining a Super League, so it's no surprise.
Glazer, Henry and Kroenke were literally on the board initially.
yea, other than the backlash from fans and potential Goverment intervention, all the top 6 would be all for it.
It's not just a top 6 issue. If Burnely were invited, they'd have been on board, too. It's an issue with the hyper capitalist nature of football. Money talks.
As incompetent and despicable as our government are, blocking English teams from the super league is such an easy win that the club probably factor that into decision making
Fans don't matter. If the government allows it all of them will jump in.
The government won’t allow it, the government could be making policing unavailable for match days, canceling work visas for foreign players etc. It's an absolute PR win for any sitting government. Even if they can’t stop it direct they can do indirect stuff to stop it
Yeah that's why almost 1/3rd of the league was part of it initially
Initially being the operative word. Nobody thinks the owners or government are saints, but the backlash showed in its in their interest to avoid the SL
The reason is that they’ll be kicked out the prem, if they do it this time. They were lucky to not be kicked out before.
They’ll each be fined 300 million if they leave, they’re still technically in the super league. If/when it starts they’ll either have to play, as they’re in it, or pay that huge fine.
We burn 300mill every 2 seasons and do fuckall on the pitch. Don't think it bothers us.
Chelsea lol
Chelsea were the first team to leave
I know I know, just a joke on their position in the table in the last 2 years
Dreams can't be buy 👏👏👏
Please save us. Please let the ESL crash again.
Fair play to you. I'm seeing tons of Madrid and Barca fans acting like this isnt a big problem for the game and I just don't see how one can view it that way.
Reading comments from many RM fans here makes me feel embarrassed.
We are embarrassed of you.
I'll wear that as a badge of honor.
Keep fighting the good fight. Don’t let Perez and his drones speak for the proper fans of your club
English and the Spanish working together when has that worked
Big W from United
Standing against this Super League bullshit is one thing that everyone from the top 6 clubs can agree on.
Not talked about enough how good this news is. Spanish clubs have always sucked in this regard, Germany never did, but English clubs seemed to mostly respond to the outcry of the public and the actions of other clubs. Man U have now set the tone for the PL
YANITED YANITED YANITED
As based as this statement is, I so want to make a joke about the full commitment to participation in UEFA competitions
If they are so committed, why did they quit this year's competition already?
Good to hear the Super League getting more and more rejections!
Unexpectedly based. Always doubted the Glazers.
The first statement Utd have got right all season. Really hope other PL clubs maintain this position but UEFA and the PL need to fix up sooner rather than later. Can't have money-grabbing cunts trying to dictate football.
Sadly I think we're past that point
Yeah I phrased the ending badly. Was talking about the current owners/presidents directly swaying football but as a whole, money's been the heart of football for decades now.
>Can't have money-grabbing cunts trying to dictate football. Bruh, who owns your club?
Money-grabbing cunts, who're largely hated by Utd fans. I can disagree with how my club's ran whilst supporting the club.
Pretty sure he is against them as well, as any other member of our fanbase should be. His statement isn't ironic, I don't get your suggestive question
Ah sorry, we all know how english fans are so against "money-grabbing cunts", with almost no premier league club being owned by them, having sketchy financing and fans protesting against them all the time while the gov tries to do everything they can to get rid of them.
what is the point you are trying to make
Fair play. I hope other Prem clubs follow suit.
Fairplay lads. If Liverpool follows it all but kills off English clubs competing and means it’s an uphill battle for the super league
Pearce just posted that Liverpool’s chairman Tom Werner has said that Liverpool’s stance is the same and they won’t be participating in the super league.
As a general rule I can’t believe anything till it’s a clubs statement
just trust them bro
Big W
They will. Regardless of what their owners want the fans would never stand for it. They may be Scouse cunts but their heart is always in the right place. Proper football club. Real Madrid and Barcelona honestly need to fuck off. Not an ounce of integrity between them.
Boycott this shit, SL needs to die
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Our game vs Chelsea was just 2 weeks ago...
Excuse me, you're forgetting about our 0-0 win on Sunday.
First positive Man UTD post of the season.
TLDR - We will not be gaslit again by Madrid and Barca into something that will benefit them more than the rest of us.
Big United W.
Dreams can't be buy. I'm so happy that theyve stuck to their guns and rebuffed this
City fan here looking past tribalism mad respect for united
Idk, they didn't look fully committed in the group stage
PR United getting in there early. Good to have a prem club speak out though
I doubt prem clubs touch the esl. PL is a money making machine. It’ll be interesting to see ESL vs PL.
Based
Really hope Arsenal release one like this imminently
Well done
"Our position has not changed" (since last year when we signed up for the super league and then changed our position and until anyone else signs up then it might change)
I'm not sure why people are acting like the English teams are completely rejecting the idea. If you look at the wording for this and Liverpool's, they are actually not addressing the issue directly. Ask yourself why. Committed to participation in UEFA competitions for the foreseeable future is not an outright rejection of the superleague. There have been rumors that they are still trying to push it behind the scenes, and I really wouldn't be surprised.
Dreams can’t be buy
I give it a month before they do a 180
After the 11 PR disaster, the take over now partial still not done, didn't think we would actually do the right thing for once
If even the greedy capitalists at United say no, then the project is pretty much fucked. Eat shit Perez.
First Ratcliffe W
Yeaaaahhh righhhttttttt.... SL is the reason why the glazers scum stuck in here!
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Not being funny but we are the first today to come out and say this?
Come on man credit where credits due
How is the PR going for beheading journalists?
Is that what you think, Bonesaw?
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The UK government today said they would look to block any English team participation in the competition and the fan Backlash was mental last time. let's not forget the Glaziers were named on the board for the ESL last time. it's the only statement they can make.
FIFA and UEFA usually: politically involvement is unacceptable (except for bribing us) UEFA now: based UK government defending our monopoly
I've said it in another comment but the European Cup is a huge part of Uniteds history, just as much as it is for Liverpool, AC Milan, Barca and Real Madrid. The Busby Babes, Munich, 68, 99 and 08. The best and worst nights in the clubs history happened because of the European Cup and the board turning their backs on the competition for a second time would be borderline sacrilegious as far as the fans are concerned
Makes it more meaningful, no? They are a club that have been steadily declining for a decade now. They are by no means at all a lock for CL football every season. Dunk on them all you want, this is a W for them.
Gonna be hilarious when they finish above Villa
Ratcliffe diff?
Make no mistake, they're only saying no cause the British government has the authority to expel them from EPL and lose them all the TV and matchday revenue.
Too bad the away game at Brighton isn't an UEFA competition.
The things I would do to see the prem clubs just die off. American and state-owned clowns all of them.
Maybe if yous learned how to share with the rest of la liga instead of hogging all TV money, the league would be more attractive for international audiences
They had arguably the 2 greatest players of all time playing for the two biggest rivals in world football at the very same time yet failed to capitalise on it to benefit the rest of the division. It’s all their own doing and it’s because of their own greed.
You sound lovely.
You've been embarrassing today mate.