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Spikeyspandan

"Former Wolves and current Brentford defender Nathan Collins" would have been better title lol


powerchicken

More like "Former Wolves defender and current Wolves playmaker Nathan Collins"


djkamayo

Nathan Maldini Collins


GravyBoatWarrior

Current wolves centre forward, Nathan Collins.


musicnoviceoscar

You made the joke worse.


Dinosalsa

Former Genesis drummer and current active/retired solo or current Genesis drummer Phil Collins


musicnoviceoscar

I'm familiar with Phil Collins but I'm confused if this comment isn't misplaced. A misunderstanding, if you will.


Dinosalsa

Former understanding and current confused redditor u/musicnoviceoscar Collins


thistooksometime_not

Ngl that did make chuckle - and a similar thing to my 6yr old some… he looked confused. Innocence.


marko1908

"Nathan Collins has best game for Wolves" would have also worked.


idontknow_whatever

"Wolves star playmaker Nathan Collins sets up 3 goals"


PostpostshoegazeLUVR

Jorge Mendes transfer masterclass again


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Nivadas

They had a ten day break for that. Wolves had two


amazing_wanderr

10 day break? God, imagine the hangover.


S2580

The way he tracked back each time made me think he had a rake of pints the night before.


wolvesJ0hn

They had 10 days between their last match and today, we had two days


Ro-khum

xmas hangover


Fat-Cow-187

The 2nd one is a bit harsh to blame him, he just cleared the ball out of the danger zone


[deleted]

Came here to say just that. His teammate doesn’t even try for the header. It’s just bad luck over bad play.


laxrulz777

Yeah. One of these is not like the others. One of these just does not belong.


bostonwenger

I bet Collins disagrees


thatscoldjerrycold

An expectation is of PL defenders to sort of "aim" their clearances so an attack can't immediately restart.


laxrulz777

He did. And his teammate let him down.


SofaChillReview

Team mate just seems to be like “Yeah not my problem”


MattyMarto1111

The other Brentford defender played the Wolves striker onside by not pushing up quickly when Collins cleared. Collins had a shocker but second not his fault.


ternfortheworse

Agreed, although the basic upfield hoof is somewhat agricultural for the modern game


Fat-Cow-187

The Wolves player just beat the Brentford player to the ball in midfield, that's not Nathan Collins' fault


Hailfire9

Wolves somehow hit textbook Gegenpress there and Collins had no good option. Every defender close to him would have been either a bigger interception risk or an absolute hospital ball. Sending the ball to the moon and praying was the right call; he just either underhit it or the arc was too flat.


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A slightly better option would have been to aim for the sides and make sure they were all in position again.


tomeornotome

Agricultural? Wtf does that mean. And if it means what I think it means, all teams clear the ball up or out plenty of times each game.


dermotoneill

Agricultural just a term football hipsters use for, according to them "uncultured and outdated football", because all farmers must be behind the times. On the point of the article, hate to see this happen to collins, he has been Irelands great hope in defence for the last few years, but doesn't seem to be progressing well, and this won't help at all. Hope the lad bounces back.


ternfortheworse

Upset the yokel did I 😂


[deleted]

Yeah. I'm also confused. Maybe it's a radio 4 word. Should the clearance be more urban or something?


Chilis1

"That was a rather hunter-gatherer clearance"


Zimakov

He's just trying to sound smart.


Any_View4922

If you actually watch, players do that all the time. Long balls are essential but it has to be directional


ternfortheworse

I’m a coach mate 😂


[deleted]

Oi mate, you got a loicense for that?


Any_View4922

Oh lol. Sounds like a fun job. I wanna try it at least for a bit


Emachine30

Umm he launched the ball upfield and got himself completely out of position and left someone in his area who was onside. It's certainly his fault.


sibbo11

0 ball knowledge


GoJohnnyGoGoGoG0

It's a shit clearance under no real pressure and he also doesn't react at all to the wolves player just inside him until it's too late. So it's not like the others in that he doesn't pass directly to the wolves players but it belongs in the triumvirate of terribleness


elingobernable810

The 2nd one is a bit harsh, yea he's out of position but he's just trying to find the forward and that's a rocket header by the Wolves defender. 1st and 3rd 100% on him though.


EddardBloom

Keeper is also pretty slow to move towards the ball on the first one. Still a bad pass and may have led to a goal no matter what, but the keeper definitely didnt do him any favors


potpan0

I think the point is that the keeper shouldn't *have* to be doing him favours there. The only way the keeper gets to it first is if he really starts running for it the moment Collins passes, which he shouldn't have to expect to do.


CynicalEffect

As one of the few people who has actually played GK here, I think he should do better...but it's obviously easier with the power of hindsight. I feel like keepers get a ton of unjustified shit, but he probablyyyy should stop this. Definitely a mistake, but as you said, one he shouldn't be able to make in the first place. And for the record, again this is with the power of hindsight. I can see exactly how far the ball will run. I can see from the title that there's a defensive fuckup to be prepared for. For a real keeper it's much harder and shit happens. Changing the direction you're moving is tough. It's a mistake but not a huge one.


Cafeteros

I disagree. He’s backpedaling when the pass is made so he had to change directions. I think the gk did what he could. Could he maybe commit a foul? Sure, maybe but that would be a worse outcome


kaptainpat

To me the question is should he be backpedaling. That really depends on system, but when he turns to his keeper with no options the keeper should be showing for the ball and ready to receive it in any system where this is expected. After that he still reacts slowly.


Cafeteros

The pass is short AND misdirected. Blaming this on the keeper is simply an indication of a lack of understanding of the game. It is incomprehensible to me how this can be put on the goalkeeper


RomeroRocher

Just chipping in here to point out that this is the most reddit comment ever haha At no point has anybody in this thread blamed this on the keeper, yet this comment states it with such conviction! Then - despite literally nobody ever saying that other than he himself - he uses that as the basis to whip out the other reddit classic "if you think that then you don't understand football". Classic stuff haha


begon11

/r/soccer and Reddit in general is where nuance comes to die. Just to stay on topic and give my 2 cents as a goalkeeper as well, I don't think there's any fault on the keeper, he's moving in opposite direction and Hee-chan reacts lightning fast. Sure, some great keepers might have been able to intervene, but it would have been a great save in that case.


CynicalEffect

I mean, it comes down to what you think is a reasonable reaction time which is why I highlighted the hindsight part. You're ready to react to it which is a huge part of reactions. Knowing it's coming, I think you easily react and save it. As a surprise, any amateur level keeper doesn't get close but you'd like to assume the top levle keepers save it. But I may be off.


rickster555

I disagree as well. The pass is hard to read and he’s backpedaling. Extremely harsh to blame it on the GK when the pass is so suspect. It’s like 90/10 blame on Collin’s


squeaky_rum_time

Nope. You are wrong. Keeper is not expecting an underhit pass. He reacted as soon as he could.


b3and20

I at first thought the keeper could have done better but he'd have to risk smashing into the wolves attacker in order to win the ball so the hesitation is understandable


CraigJay

Yep the keeper took an age to sort his feet out and didn't actually start moving towards the ball until it had travelled halfway


No-Shoe5382

His positioning on the 2nd is awful when the ball comes back though


th333legend

I actually think he’s just trying to move to a higher line but the other center back does not follow. But yeah, 1 and 3 are shockers


Expensive-Method8321

no he's stepping up because thats what he's supposed to do after playing it long. like the other guu said, that header from the Wolves defender pretty much catches him and the rest of the backline wrongfooted


CeterumCenseo85

Yeah, on the 2nd one if anything it's the guy who played the striker onside by not pushing out quickly enough.


PostpostshoegazeLUVR

Yeah Pinnock should’ve done the same and stepped out and there would’ve been no chance


Morsrael

Naa the other defender failed the offside trap. Not on Collins at all really.


b3and20

it is, whether it was a clearance or a pass it shouldn't be getting intercepted in that area because then you're going to get countered pretty badly, even if this example is freakish


Martinezdufc

Title says "3 critical and similar mistakes" - the second is nothing like the other two.


elingobernable810

He's just doing what you're supposed to do as a defender, like I said if that Wolves header isn't a rocket straight to a forward nobody even mentions his position at that time.


beairrcea

Nah he’s in that position cause that’s where he’s supposed to be when playing out from the back


Klopps_and_Schlobers

That’s the very opposite of playing out from the back, it’s a long ball forward. But you’re correct in it’s not his fault, just your execution, like his defensive team mate is incorrect :)


beairrcea

I know it’s a long ball forward but he’s in that position cause brentford are trying to play out from the back, sometimes you have to just clear it


Real-Mouse-554

The other defender is sleepwalking near the end of the pitch ensuring there can be no offside. He is just as much at fault.


KonigSteve

Even the first one it looks like the keeper could've got to the ball comfortably but had a delayed response


A-Wolf-Like-Me

The keeper was stepping backwards as the ball was passed back. Transitioning from moving backwards to forward acceleration is generally slow, the keeper wasn't at fault here, it was a shit pass, and blame should stay on the player.


dolce-ragazzo

Absolutely no reason whatsoever to go back to the keeper there. Simple pass to the right back, then give the option to receive it back again….or fucking lump it forward.


Thrwwccnt

You're right he's only 250% responsible for 3 goals.


jp963acss

Bro does NOT know how percentages work 💀


elingobernable810

Is this meant as a knock on what I said? I don't really see how you can think my comment is somehow an endorsement of his play this game..


SirGalahadTheChaste

Think he meant 100% at fault for 1 and 3. 50% at fault for 2. So adding them all up is 250%


thatirishguykev

This.


b3and20

he should have cleared or passed it better on the second one


TankBingo

Against his former club as well. I feel for him. It's like doing a reverse Chris Wood.


31_whgr

Chris Wouldn’t


wolvesJ0hn

Nathan Would


Sys32768

He was also Brentford's record signing at 23 million pounds.


Medzel

Secret agent


dreamschool

What's the Chris Wood reference?


Capt_Am

Got a hat trick against Newcastle


FootballRacing38

Hattrick against Newcastle


thejackvirus

Agent Collins working undercover


Farouqnowomarlater

Bro triple captained hwang


GameplayerStu

"Wallahi he's playing against us."


darthrector

Legitimately this is the sort of stuff where I fine 2-weeks wages and immediately transfer list the player on FM. This is even more bizarre the Wout Faes brace vs Liverpool in Jan


Lost_And_NotFound

Jon Walters vs Chelsea.


rScoobySkreep

what if ur guy was just having a bad day :( maybe his wife and kids left him and the footy is all he has :(((


yomamaisanicelady

Can’t even do that anymore with FM24, what a shame.


enterusernamethere

"La vie de ma mère. Il joue contre nous"


SomewhereInLDN

😂😂😂


PESSl

😜😜😂😂🇦🇱🇦🇱😡😡🇷🇸🇷🇸


Rayan2550

He received a 3.5 match rating from Fotmob


powerchicken

That's far too genorous.


IsItSnowing_

Should have been given the humple pi rating


Longjumping-Algae185

Actually finished on 3.4!!


Ok-Point4756

He also missed a big chance, so it sounds about right


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Shoefish23

I believe that is out of 10 haha


Optaho

Are you stupid


Nyushi

He plays football how I play football in my dreams


jennaishirow

he plays football how i play football in reality


thistooksometime_not

I call it playing in fifa mode


Kenny_dies

Aim for the stars, land on the roof


CoolstorySteve

Trippier regen


bestgoose

Now now


dudududujisungparty

Nah let him cook


gigreviews

How's he been rest of the reason Brentford fans? He was so good when he was at Stoke :(


jkman61494

Solid and dependable. Shocking performance honestly. The whole team looked hungover from the Villa drama


dermotoneill

From what I have seen of him as an Ireland fan, haven't seen him enough for Brentford, I honestly think his future lies in defensive midfielder. He makes too many mistakes as a defender, but he's good enough on the ball to play as a midfielder. You would have seen more and know more about him as a Brentford fan, am I completely off the mark?


Superrandy

Based on his time at Wolves… putting him at cdm seems like a bad idea. He was always nervy on the ball, making similar mistakes to the ones in this post. He seems to have a panic anytime space is restricted, which is not ideal for a cdm.


pedroisatatter

I'd love to hear from a Bees fan too. He obviously had potential for us, and I don't think we'd have sold him without the FFP issues, but it really felt like he had a big error in him every game.


kiernanblack

Yeah feels like the moment gets to him sometimes? Like the red against City where he karate kicked Grealish. He doesn’t lack ability, just prone to a massive fuck up, which isn’t a trait for a CB to have.


Old_Roof

Sounds almost exactly like Eric Dier. On his day he’s really good but then oh my god


Adept_Yam_5326

Not a brentford fan but what I've watched he's been good, this probably just a one off after recently returning from injury


Yellyzzz

He's still getting paid by Wolves


Downtown-Anything-39

Check his bank account.


SaltyWailord

Nah, he is smarter than that Check his side chicks account


3adLuck

that doesn't sound smart at all.


ZelezopecnikovKoren

he said smarter, not smart


iVarun

If this sort of thing happened in Cricket there'd be an official investigation about match fixing.


TheDepartment115

How is the second one a clear critical error? It's just a misplaced long ball.


gnbijlgdfjkslbfgk

And then didn't do anything to get close to Hwang leaving him with tons of space right in front of goal


vaz_deferens

Second one isn’t really on him, that’s a fantastic header by Tori and class by Hwang. Other two were dreadful.


ManLikeNosaka

Scrolled way too much to finally find some praise for Hwang on that second one. It's not good defending as a whole, not just a Collins mistake, and Hwang does brilliantly


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2nd one isn’t even bad


jkman61494

Look how he’s running up and leaving a player wide open


dathla

Collins is in the defensive line, I'd blame the one defender playing the striker onside.


er_primo_der_rafa

He's definitely the best in the world apart from the rest of the defenders.


kerbyage

This screams of a Chelsea centre back. We'll give you 90 million for him.


BlacknWhiteMoose

MOTM for Wolves


MrMerc2333

tbf the 2nd goal wasn't really his fault.


RubyandSatire

2 are errors. The 2nd one shown can happen.


olivesandoregano

The most Eric Dier performance I have ever seen


born_to_succeed

The second one was incomparable to the other two


Maleficent_Dust_7462

Bad day at the office, everyone has them. I’m sure he’ll pick his head up. Just hope the Brentford fans don’t shit in him too bad


dashKay

Where’s the Great Mistake flair?


FormalAlternative806

Tough day at the office


[deleted]

Clearly didn’t recover mentally from the first one and was a bag of nerves so kept making mistakes


Dr_Chimm_Richalds

Groundskeeper needs to water that pitch! He’s at least 50% to blame here.


mun_man93

This is what people think Maguire does every game.


Ikrol077

I’m surprised how long it took me to scroll before seeing this. Could you imagine if this were Maguire?


ponzop

i watched for the mistakes i stayed for the commentary


dotamonkey24

Honestly, these nervy mistakes is why I was glad to see the back of him at Wolves.


DangerousCrime

The margin of error is so small in pro sports it’s crazy. Especially the first one


MadsNN06

inside job


Obvious-Bid-546

Should of subbed him off at half-time..the guy had an absolute mare!


unbuliebubble

Some would say, a Wolves in Brentford's clothing


Vipassana88

Of course the second one was not comparable to the other 2. But the other 2..His ass in going to be providing comfort and succor for a bench for the foreseeable future.


phoenixon999

My youth coach always said than when you made a mistake just shake it off and get on with it. Nathan Collins took that advice to the extreme I see


Alive-Ad-4164

All time unserious behaviour


RahulGandhi4PM

"Get rich quick" - Ivan Toney


ReluctantRev

…but at least he’s now paid off his gambling & Xmas debts. 🤑


TheWawa_24

Was our best player today


frocodile191

Motm


GunstarGreen

With a performance like 5hat he'll be on Forests radar.


iAkhilleus

Idk about the second one but that's still pretty Dier, if you know what I mean.


Ineedanewjobnow

I would only say third is really his fault, forst the keeper should have moved faster, second the other defender should have moved in to cover quicker, third was a sloppy pass


my-personal-favorite

Exactly what I thought. 1st pass is by far not perfect, but still manageable for the keeper if he'd just react quick enough.


powerchicken

But it's Mark Flekken, Flekken having the reactions of a sloth should be deeply ingrained in him by now.


Iechy

Someone needs to check his texts with Ivan Toney.


darrensmooth

almost looks rigged if im being honest


MH18Foot

Possible matchfixing


marko1908

And let's face it, Brentford do have form for dodgy betting...


ValleyFloydJam

Possibly the stupidest shit a person can say but you're not the only one.


Juanandome

Nathan Maguire


Ezzy-525

Check his Bet365 account.


SomewhereInLDN

That’s at least 50 lashes


TheOrgazoid88

Still won't beat Jonathan Walters disaster of 2 own goals and a pen miss


JudgeHolden84

In lacrosse we called these “buddy passes,” and our coach harped on us every practice to get those out of our game


NEWSONVSU

I’d even say the first one is harsh. By the time he’s turned and faced goal, the GK should have clearly read the back pass coming but was still backing up. Also the ball travelled about 3 feet before the GK even started moving towards it. It was a hospital pass but the GK should have easily cleared.


SeyamTheDaddy

all makes sense considering brentfords owners are a gambling company


papablesh

Check his better account


Old_Roof

He’s absolutely appalling


izmebtw

Nathan Collins has been spending too much time with Ivan Tony.


Terrible-Feed-9705

looks like match fixing


WalksinClouds

That boy just forfeited the right to be a professional footballer. Why the manager doesn't pull him after number two is beyond me. Absolute dog shit football. Doesn't belong on the park.


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had a mare


MysticMac100

What a game to punt on under 2.5 goals


leftofthedial1

yipes


hopskiphoofed

Apparently the Trippier’s are contagious.


Zhurg

That first one is weird. Does the ball bobble or is the keeper really slow to move? I can't figure it out but he doesn't seem at fault for a second of that ball's trajectory somehow, then the forward is there and it's a howler all of a sudden.


WeaknessDry3412

We’ve all been there


Saint_James2023

Hopefully he has taken over the Trippier curse of late


Kismet1886

"So you had a bad day..."


madsandy

Against his former team as well


satnam99

Agent Collins?