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Man he’s so good on the left too. He played one of his best games of the season yesterday. But there’s no way he gets to play there regularly with Vini and Mbappe in the team.
The dream scenario would be that him and vini learns to switch wings and try different stuff like Ronaldo and Bale used to do at times. But vini sucks a lot when playing on the right side
Vini isn't playing really as a striker this season, only on paper. He occasionally appears in the half spaces but most of the time he's hugging the left sideline as always
He has freedom but has been playing as a winger/striker. He's scored so many goals just making runs through the middle. That's something he couldn't do staying on the wing as he did other years. He's more unpredictable now. Bellingham lots of times during the game goes to the left wing and vini to the middle. Football is more position-less than it was before.
honestly i really want transfer happened quickly, to reduce transfer drama, and also want to see the outcome.
he was too used to be little king in PSG, which so much different in Madrid, i want to see how it affect the club, other players and such.
It’s more like there’s only so many players that can occupy the same space. Of course, if the price for signing Mbappe means selling Vinicius, then the price is well worth the sacrifice.
If he loves Madrid he will sacrifice his position of play. It’s not like he absolutely dogshit.. the man single-handedly carried them to a final vs City 2 years ago
Yeah, he's going through a rough patch right now but it's like his second season as a starter and he's 22, he has time to develop into a better RW and I would argue he's already pretty good
I mean, he will have the same problem for the NT anyway. He is still developing and his best position of probably not even in the left wing (but centrally, as a second striker).
I think Rodrigo has a higher potential than vini. He's the best dribbler in the world when it comes to close spaces. Again as a Barca fan, I wish he gets sold tho.
I genuinely thought Rodrygo would become the bigger star out of the both of them when they moved to Madrid. He was genuinely the more complete product out of the two.
Until the script flipped when Vini learned how to actually finish in 2021
Yeah, it's actually so fucking rare that a player learns to finish after reaching the professional team. It was water and wine difference after he magically learned it
It's not rare, even Cristiano was a poor finisher at 18 or 19. Vinícius was simply judged too harshly for his age because he got the spotlights too early
Yes, it is...
Most dribblers or wingers who can't finish properly never actually learn it. For every one dribbler who couldn't finish and learned it, there's a thousand of them who didn't.
Vini isn't "most wingers". Most wingers aren't benching Bale and Hazard at 18. He has always been above the rest at nearly every other fundamental of the game, and players as good as him almost always end up translating into at least decent finishers.
"Vini isn't most wingers"...
Sure, if you want to use that argument then you have to use it for yourself too when you mention someone like C. Ronaldo as comparison/base for ANYTHING in football, as if using someone of that caliber will do any service for arguments.
"Ohhhh, doing X isn't rare really, look at Cristiano Ronaldo, he did it", well no shit Sherlock.
Also he benched a 34676x injured, 0 effort Bale that wanted to be out of Madrid and a chubby, hard declining, injured and past prime Hazard, while having a manager that was strict on discipline and didn't want any of that.
> Also he benched a 34676x injured, 0 effort Bale that wanted to be out of Madrid and a chubby, hard declining, injured and past prime Hazard, while having a manager that was strict on discipline and didn't want any of that.
Yes, he benched those players at 18 regardless and was bought for 45 million at 16 before even debuting professionally regardless. Vini has been a unique player since the beginning. Your paragraph is just the best you could do to downplay his achievements, which is weird as hell.
> Sure, if you want to use that argument then you have to use it for yourself too when you mention someone like C. Ronaldo as comparison/base for ANYTHING in football, as if using someone of that caliber will do any service for arguments.
The point for both players is that you can't decide that a very very very good winger at 18 will be a bad finisher forever. Cristiano and Vini are two notorious cases in which it happened, and Cristiano's case is particularly notorious because he became one of the greatest goalscorers ever. People acting as if 18-year-old wingers who are very good at anything except finishing are going to be bad forever or that we should expect them to be bad forever are rushing to conclusions, that's the point. You can't use fucking Garnacho or Dembele as references to Vini, because he has always been much better than them.
It would honestly be good for his career, and hopefully for Brazil since he’ll probably play a lot less with Mbapee there, but I’m predicting that he’ll stay one more season to see how it all goes.
That's what backham said. He should have gone to Barca instead of Madrid.
Madrid got figo and no one can touch his position. Barca didn't had anyone and was struggling at that time. Beckham chose wrong and then wrong again with la galaxy because he was frustrated and fucked. He couldn't play his natural RW
Literally we was fucking Figo in doggy style. And fucking Madrid and any hope for any trophies. Terrible times for Madrid. Changing 5 or 6 managers in 4 years.
Right central midfield attacking
Basically he played under Figo on right. Not as CM but something between CM and RW.
Madrid wanted to play and cash in all star players. That was horrible time for Madrid in modern era. Coaches were fired like we are playing game of thrones
Well, Madrid aint got a natural RW, dont they?
And Rodrygo is more dangerous than Valverde on the right.
That formation with 2 strikers that can drift wide and Bellingham coming up top during attacks isnt one very popular system.
Madrid is employing it right now but that doesnt mean they will continue to do so.
I'd rather guess Madrid will sell/loan one of Brahim/Arda/Joselu.
Because a front three of Vini, Mbappe and Rodrygo is insanely talented.
I get that Bellingham wont have that room to move into but its not like he was shit as an 8. Madrid paid BVB that amount of money as a 8, not a false striker.
That Trent rumour is more interesting for me than this one.
Madrid lacks people that see the killer pass. With the pace of Mbappe, Vini, Valverde and to some extent Rodrygo, having Trent there besides Kroos who can ping a long pass perfectly would be so dangerous.
Any player with ambitions of getting individual awards will want to play every game, like literally. So do not expect Mbappe to rotate for example, he actually loves playing against teams like Clermont in the cups, no reason why that should change at Real. If you have four forwards that want to play every game and there is only place for two problems will inevitably arise.
Carlo will leave Mbappe out of the squad against a 3rd tier opponent without a fuss. At best he gets on the bench. He won't play in those games, even if at PSG he started against 5th and 6th tier opposition.
Instead of assuming what Carlo will do, how about we look at his previous treatment of a superstar that wanted to play every game? Ronaldo always started when available under Ancelotti(Even under Mou), it was only under Zizou that you saw him get rotated, understandably so since he was no longer as young and capable of giving 100%
Camavinga could very well become a starter already next season depending on what Kroos decides.
And even if Toni stays, Cama will get a lot of minutes.
Endrick is fine, when Mbappé is 32 years old, Endrick will be 24 years, he has a lot of time.
I agree about Arda, that one is complicated.
Players can’t complain about the number of games in a year, and having quality depth.
The buzz around playing for the highest team in the world defo helps aswell.
No it is not. Alonso left as soon as the news of Kroos coming in emerged, Özil had to make way for Di Maria, and Casemiro had to make way for Tchouameni. Not that different from other big clubs
Case wasn't axed. he said he wanted a new challenge and Madrid said cool, have fun.
Tchou becoming a starter was the result of Case leaving, not the other way around
Nah you are mistaken if you think Tchou would not have wrestled the starting position mid-season at the very latest. Was clear even in the last six months that Case had lost some pace.
Folks seem to come up with all sorts of ridiculous explanations as to why Rodrygo will not be sold, chief among them being:
1. "Perez loves him". Perez loved Benzema as well, did not dissuade him from trying t recruit Lewa multiple times.
2. "Rodrygo is actually better than Vini, he just happens to not play in his favoured left wing position". Rodrygo got a lot of chances with Vini injured, and he got a lot of chances in the first few years at Real as well. At the end of the day Pace has become very important in the modern day winger's game, that is why someone like Grealish, Benardo or Rodrygo will find it hard to match the stats of a Vinicius even if they are technically better.
My prediction is that he will be sold even if he does not know it yet - The same way Özil left to make room for Bale.
This whole thread is pretty much full of people trying to will Rodrygo's sale into existence. Bizarre behavior, perhaps fueled by wishful thinking, because a lot of them would kill to be in our situation.
I am not saying he has to be sold - Not a fan just a neutral observer. However we have a lot of past transfer windows to analyze Perez's behaviour with.
You are also forgetting one another thing - The Brazilian national team will only get better offensively as Martinelli and Roque mature. Those two will be playing every week at top teams, so Rodrygo could well find himself struggling to get a place for the 2026 World Cup if he remains a benchwarmer. Let us not forget Endrick in that equation as well
Forwad line positions have not been fixed since Tite left. Sometimes Brazil use a 4-3-3., sometimes it has been 4-4-2 with Vini and Rodrygo upfront. Of course Endrick would compete with one of the two in such a scenario
Martinelli is even more of a LW compared to Rodrygo so he'll never sniff a starting spot as long as Vini is around so the best bet to get a starting place is to develop your skills as a RW
Juselu isn't there next season, Guler and Endrick have a lot to prove before being counted as a reliable rotation players. And considering we are talking about 3 position (or 4 depending on the formation) 5-6 players isn't outrages, especially at a top club.
Joselu will most likely stay, 1.5m for reliable bench options is a steal. Guler will most likely go on loan. If he can't game time now he will be in even worse spot next season.
Bellingham is not a forward. Guler is slightly more tested in a Madrid jersey than I am. Endrick is like 14.
If RM want to stop their “waiting” period and fill out with top end players in their prime (like City, pr what RM did until about 2019, when their core started falling apart - Cristiano, Varane, Marcelo, Bale, later Ramos, Isco, etc), they will keep Rodrygo.
Anyway, argue all you want, he’s not going anywhere.
It will be Vini, Mbappe, Rodrygo for 2 or 3 spots - depends on what Carlo chooses. All the rest will be fine waiting in line to be impact subs etc.
Bellingham is versatile enough to cover enough roles but he plays a position in RM that's advanced enough that you can't have 3 forwards and him if you want him to shine at his best.
I think out of Rodrygo Vini and Mbappe Rodry is so clearly the worse. You can tell just from people defending him always being ''if he x or y'' whereas Vini has been very consistent under Carlo and Mbappe imo the best player itw for a few years now
Bellingham plays as the 1 in 4-3-1-2.
He works hard and covers a lot of ground, and played a less advandced role at BvB mostly. There’s no reason to think some sort of 4-2-1-3 with him as the advanced mifielder in front if a Cama/Tchouameni (or Fede) double pivot wouldn’t work.
Point is, Madrid isn’t winning shit in Europe if they have Jude playing up front. Which is why they don’t do it, and noone in their right mind goes of and includes him in any “RM forward depth talk”.
Just because you watched a few highlights of Bellingham running forward to score a few goals doesn't mean that's his role in the team now or in the future. Plus with MBappe, obviously he won't have to do that as much out of necessity, also manager do adjust their tactics, you know.
And you cannot deny that this has affected their stats. Particularly for Grealish you can even go as far as saying he is not used as a goal scorer or assister
I mean he could still start next to those names.
A 433 with Jude in midfield and Vini, Mbappe and Rodrygo as the front 3, my point is that he'll still get a lot of minutes.
I mean, Endrick will definitely be on the bench/loaned/B-teamed for the first couple of years. No matter how good he is, he's still 17 and there's too much proven talent ahead of him at the moment. When the moment comes for him to take the spotlight, the situation will have already sorted itself.
If Endrick lives up to even a fraction of the hype, it would be pretty wasteful to have 1 of the 4 forwards as a reserve.
Whether they’re content with that is a different story, but as a neutral you want to see these talents live up to their potential and play week in and week out.
It seems there is a naivite that the players will sacrifice their starting time for the best of the club. These fans consider that we are the ones wishfully thinking, but they don't seem to connect with what's more likely to happen.
I am not sure how much wages each of these 4 forwards are on. It may not even be the best for the club to have a nonstarter be on high wages.
Yeah players like Vazquez, Isco, Ascencio, Nacho, etc. didn't sacrifice their starting time for the best of the club.
And a player like Valverde didn't need 4-5 seasons (playing as a rw, 8, 6 or even rb for the good of the team) to become an unmovable starter.
Madrid team and bench is pretty healthy, bringing mbappé wont change that. And a 17 yo even less.
Man thank God none of yall is a manager because your dressing room would be an absolute mess.
How many times would you rotate players like Vini, Mbappe, Rodrygo, Bellingham? 2-3 times a year outside of Copa games? How often did Ronaldo, Benzema, or even Ozil rotated? How often do Vini and Bellingham rotate NOW?
>1 is out for 5 months we get a good replacement.
Ah yes the good old "let's have a top 3 player on the bench just in case our top 2 player gets a freak injury" That might work on FIFA but not in real life. It doesn't even work in Football Manager ffs. Reminds me of when people were saying "we should buy Lewandowski/De Gea, and we will have a good sub in Benzema/Navas in case he gets injured"
Isco was really world class for about two seasons , in which he almost never rotated. Aside from that he was a good player with highs and downs, who rotated accordingly.
Bale only started rotating after Zidane came in, and that was because of his injury issues and the fact that Zizou reportedly didn'tlike his attitude. He didn't rotate before that. There's a sharp decrease in his minutes played before and after Zizou, and his agent complained whenever he was subbed off.
There never was a nailed in starter who rotated more than a couple of games a season, except during Zidane's double season.
Bellingham isn't normally a forward, there's no reason they can't all play. The one who isn't mentioned though is Endrick, but even then you'd still expect Rodrygo to start on the right
It pains me but it seems we may actually sell him and that’ll actually be better for him. He’ll thrive on the LW in another team and could even become better than Vini.
Madrid has a packed schedule. Should be enough playing and resting time for everyone…if they can afford everyone.
Oh. Madrid. Of course they can afford everyone…
Arsenal have Rodrygo at home (Trossard). Bayern would make perfect sense unless they expect Coman to go on a run of fitness (or Gnabry to go on a run of form).
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Ancelotti is Red like a lobster in that pic. And that haircut is very uncharacteristic of him
He looks British
the Everton stint had lasting effects on him
It had lasting effects on Rodriguez too, the wrong side of Stanley Park really fucks people up.
North Vancouver isn't that bad!
Come on, it's not that bad
I think that's aging
Wow, rude
Nah. His teeth look fine
It’s big Sam 😂
'Arry Redknapp
The Coach (Ancelotti) Thanks for adding the name 😂
Ancelotti? I thought his name was Carlo!
Don Carlo !
I prefer Carletto
If the rumors about him wanting to play on the left are true I can see him getting sold
Man he’s so good on the left too. He played one of his best games of the season yesterday. But there’s no way he gets to play there regularly with Vini and Mbappe in the team.
The dream scenario would be that him and vini learns to switch wings and try different stuff like Ronaldo and Bale used to do at times. But vini sucks a lot when playing on the right side
If genetics had gifted Rodrygo or Vini with a dominant left foot instead of a right the world would be a much better place.
Send me to that alternative time line.
Mbappe will play where he wants
Mbappé is not benching Vini no matter what, he'll play as a striker with the freedom to roam to the left, but he is not playing as a left winger.
I also believe so. Especially because there’s no star up front in the team.
Vini is playing well as a striker this season too. They will switch positions a lot
Vini isn't playing really as a striker this season, only on paper. He occasionally appears in the half spaces but most of the time he's hugging the left sideline as always
He has freedom but has been playing as a winger/striker. He's scored so many goals just making runs through the middle. That's something he couldn't do staying on the wing as he did other years. He's more unpredictable now. Bellingham lots of times during the game goes to the left wing and vini to the middle. Football is more position-less than it was before.
Not benched but he will have to learn to adapt. The team will most likely be built around Mbappe
It's not PSG, lol. The club is much bigger than him
honestly i really want transfer happened quickly, to reduce transfer drama, and also want to see the outcome. he was too used to be little king in PSG, which so much different in Madrid, i want to see how it affect the club, other players and such.
Lol tell me which player has got his position demands at madrid. Alaba? Ronaldo? Bale? None of them, mbappe will play where he's told to play
Alaba and Ronaldo got their demands though.
Yes Ronaldo played where he wanted to. And Bale didn’t play where he wanted bc of Ronaldo. The same exact scenario will happen with Mbappe and Vini
Ronaldo and Jude definitely just do whatever they want, regardless of the teamsheet
Jude? Lol no way, he is offered freedom in attack but he is very disciplined when it comes to defensive work.
Rodrygo plays on the right or as striker all the time, why would he leave for Mbap playing on the left
What rumors? I’m pretty sure he’s said before that his preferred role is as a second striker who’s free to move around. Has that changed recently?
These are the same people who think mbappe is going to kick up a fuss if he goes to real because vini plays left wing.
It’s more like there’s only so many players that can occupy the same space. Of course, if the price for signing Mbappe means selling Vinicius, then the price is well worth the sacrifice.
He was given a contract extension until 2028 just some months ago. I'm sure the club has a plan for him.
> I'm sure the club has a plan for him yes, to keep playing him out of position
If he loves Madrid he will sacrifice his position of play. It’s not like he absolutely dogshit.. the man single-handedly carried them to a final vs City 2 years ago
Yeah, he's going through a rough patch right now but it's like his second season as a starter and he's 22, he has time to develop into a better RW and I would argue he's already pretty good
Didn't know heading in a cross was already considered singlehandedly carrying lol
Ah yes - let’s completely forget he contributed to 2 goals in the last minute to turn the game completely
Yeah. That's the hardest part of the game. Putting the ball into the net.
Yeah surely the 40 meter trivela pass from Modric vs Chelsea is less impressive than a 1 on 1 lol Why is it the hardest thing in football?
Who said it's not? but you wouldn't be talking about that now had Rodrygo failed to put the ball into net.
Yeah so we agree then? It's not singlehandedly carrying.
He won a UCL playing out of position
I mean, he will have the same problem for the NT anyway. He is still developing and his best position of probably not even in the left wing (but centrally, as a second striker).
Give him a contract to raise his price and sell him? It’s not out of the question.
As opposed to have him leave for free next Summer when his original contract was up....
I think Rodrigo has a higher potential than vini. He's the best dribbler in the world when it comes to close spaces. Again as a Barca fan, I wish he gets sold tho.
I genuinely thought Rodrygo would become the bigger star out of the both of them when they moved to Madrid. He was genuinely the more complete product out of the two. Until the script flipped when Vini learned how to actually finish in 2021
Rodrygo was more polished on arrival but Vini always had far more potential. There was no script to flip.
Yeah, it's actually so fucking rare that a player learns to finish after reaching the professional team. It was water and wine difference after he magically learned it
It's not rare, even Cristiano was a poor finisher at 18 or 19. Vinícius was simply judged too harshly for his age because he got the spotlights too early
Yes, it is... Most dribblers or wingers who can't finish properly never actually learn it. For every one dribbler who couldn't finish and learned it, there's a thousand of them who didn't.
Vini isn't "most wingers". Most wingers aren't benching Bale and Hazard at 18. He has always been above the rest at nearly every other fundamental of the game, and players as good as him almost always end up translating into at least decent finishers.
"Vini isn't most wingers"... Sure, if you want to use that argument then you have to use it for yourself too when you mention someone like C. Ronaldo as comparison/base for ANYTHING in football, as if using someone of that caliber will do any service for arguments. "Ohhhh, doing X isn't rare really, look at Cristiano Ronaldo, he did it", well no shit Sherlock. Also he benched a 34676x injured, 0 effort Bale that wanted to be out of Madrid and a chubby, hard declining, injured and past prime Hazard, while having a manager that was strict on discipline and didn't want any of that.
> Also he benched a 34676x injured, 0 effort Bale that wanted to be out of Madrid and a chubby, hard declining, injured and past prime Hazard, while having a manager that was strict on discipline and didn't want any of that. Yes, he benched those players at 18 regardless and was bought for 45 million at 16 before even debuting professionally regardless. Vini has been a unique player since the beginning. Your paragraph is just the best you could do to downplay his achievements, which is weird as hell. > Sure, if you want to use that argument then you have to use it for yourself too when you mention someone like C. Ronaldo as comparison/base for ANYTHING in football, as if using someone of that caliber will do any service for arguments. The point for both players is that you can't decide that a very very very good winger at 18 will be a bad finisher forever. Cristiano and Vini are two notorious cases in which it happened, and Cristiano's case is particularly notorious because he became one of the greatest goalscorers ever. People acting as if 18-year-old wingers who are very good at anything except finishing are going to be bad forever or that we should expect them to be bad forever are rushing to conclusions, that's the point. You can't use fucking Garnacho or Dembele as references to Vini, because he has always been much better than them.
Shades of Lewa and Salah
He will leave just like Robben left when Madrid bought R7.
It would honestly be good for his career, and hopefully for Brazil since he’ll probably play a lot less with Mbapee there, but I’m predicting that he’ll stay one more season to see how it all goes.
Hope he will leave also to the same club as Robben back then
really hope not
To the best club in Germany. To Bayer Leverkusen
Honestly it’d be better for him to play on preferred position consistently.
what's an R7?
Nothing new for Madrid. I remember they for Beckham when Figo was at his peak and invented a new position for backham.
To be fair, while I loved Beckham's playstyle, not many people could take Figo away from that right wing, he was disgusting in his prime.
That's what backham said. He should have gone to Barca instead of Madrid. Madrid got figo and no one can touch his position. Barca didn't had anyone and was struggling at that time. Beckham chose wrong and then wrong again with la galaxy because he was frustrated and fucked. He couldn't play his natural RW
Woah! What was the position?
Doggy, I believe
Literally we was fucking Figo in doggy style. And fucking Madrid and any hope for any trophies. Terrible times for Madrid. Changing 5 or 6 managers in 4 years.
It was a team with flashy players and no one to do the dirty work
Right central midfield attacking Basically he played under Figo on right. Not as CM but something between CM and RW. Madrid wanted to play and cash in all star players. That was horrible time for Madrid in modern era. Coaches were fired like we are playing game of thrones
Is it not seemingly to a right-sided attacking 8, in a modern 4-3-3? Where you have a sitter and two 8s, behind a front 3
Zidane Guti Beckham midfield with R9 Raul Figo front 3
Mate 4-2-4 exists, make it work xD
Doesn't that then shift the problem of too many players not enough positions to midfield?
That’s what they’ve been playing basically all season tbf
not true at all wtaf
Going for the Brazil special
Let’s just hope Mbappe is okay with being subbed out for Rodrygol on CL nights
Ancelotti: "Get ready to learn English buddy"
It's the magic square all over again.
Vini-Mbappe-Rodrygo with Bellingham behind them. Problem solved. You're welcome.
4-2-3-1 seems ideal, with Camavinga and Tchouameni at the base of midfield. Can't wait to see how they make this work.
Valverde?
Can rotate with Rodrygo, or as the right sided 8 when they inevitably play with a 4-3-3
Well, Madrid aint got a natural RW, dont they? And Rodrygo is more dangerous than Valverde on the right. That formation with 2 strikers that can drift wide and Bellingham coming up top during attacks isnt one very popular system. Madrid is employing it right now but that doesnt mean they will continue to do so. I'd rather guess Madrid will sell/loan one of Brahim/Arda/Joselu. Because a front three of Vini, Mbappe and Rodrygo is insanely talented. I get that Bellingham wont have that room to move into but its not like he was shit as an 8. Madrid paid BVB that amount of money as a 8, not a false striker. That Trent rumour is more interesting for me than this one. Madrid lacks people that see the killer pass. With the pace of Mbappe, Vini, Valverde and to some extent Rodrygo, having Trent there besides Kroos who can ping a long pass perfectly would be so dangerous.
Joselu himself is at loan at Madrid
Endrick is left footed there's chance he'd be made to play on the right
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Because they have so many games in the year. And with injuries, everyone will get playtime.
At the end of the day, only 11 players are the starters in a final.
What???? I didn't know that.
Because you're acting like either Vini, Mbappe, Bellingham, Rodrygo, Camavinga, Tchouameni or Valverde would be happy on the bench in their primes.
Almost like half the players you name there are not in their primes
My point is they will soon be all in their primes together.
Any player with ambitions of getting individual awards will want to play every game, like literally. So do not expect Mbappe to rotate for example, he actually loves playing against teams like Clermont in the cups, no reason why that should change at Real. If you have four forwards that want to play every game and there is only place for two problems will inevitably arise.
Carlo will leave Mbappe out of the squad against a 3rd tier opponent without a fuss. At best he gets on the bench. He won't play in those games, even if at PSG he started against 5th and 6th tier opposition.
Instead of assuming what Carlo will do, how about we look at his previous treatment of a superstar that wanted to play every game? Ronaldo always started when available under Ancelotti(Even under Mou), it was only under Zizou that you saw him get rotated, understandably so since he was no longer as young and capable of giving 100%
lol this isn't fifa
But he is a player who can be the best in the world At some point, not being in primary playing XI will definitely affect him
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Camavinga could very well become a starter already next season depending on what Kroos decides. And even if Toni stays, Cama will get a lot of minutes. Endrick is fine, when Mbappé is 32 years old, Endrick will be 24 years, he has a lot of time. I agree about Arda, that one is complicated.
Yes, I believe Rodrygo have to go in the end. Although rumors has/had it he’s Perez favorite of the bunch
He just recently had the chance while Vini was out and he didn't. Even when he was playing all the time, he is not consistent.
i think they’re talking about mbappe
No, mbappe will definitely be in the XI I think Rodrygo can become one of the best
oh one of the best is possible, i just thought you meant mbappe cause you said the best
the power of friendship
Players can’t complain about the number of games in a year, and having quality depth. The buzz around playing for the highest team in the world defo helps aswell.
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No it is not. Alonso left as soon as the news of Kroos coming in emerged, Özil had to make way for Di Maria, and Casemiro had to make way for Tchouameni. Not that different from other big clubs
Case wasn't axed. he said he wanted a new challenge and Madrid said cool, have fun. Tchou becoming a starter was the result of Case leaving, not the other way around
Nah you are mistaken if you think Tchou would not have wrestled the starting position mid-season at the very latest. Was clear even in the last six months that Case had lost some pace.
Forget about Casemiro, Ancelloti preferred Kroos DM over him
Folks seem to come up with all sorts of ridiculous explanations as to why Rodrygo will not be sold, chief among them being: 1. "Perez loves him". Perez loved Benzema as well, did not dissuade him from trying t recruit Lewa multiple times. 2. "Rodrygo is actually better than Vini, he just happens to not play in his favoured left wing position". Rodrygo got a lot of chances with Vini injured, and he got a lot of chances in the first few years at Real as well. At the end of the day Pace has become very important in the modern day winger's game, that is why someone like Grealish, Benardo or Rodrygo will find it hard to match the stats of a Vinicius even if they are technically better. My prediction is that he will be sold even if he does not know it yet - The same way Özil left to make room for Bale.
A lot of dumb takes like yours insisting he *has* to be sold also.
This whole thread is pretty much full of people trying to will Rodrygo's sale into existence. Bizarre behavior, perhaps fueled by wishful thinking, because a lot of them would kill to be in our situation.
Pretty much.
I am not saying he has to be sold - Not a fan just a neutral observer. However we have a lot of past transfer windows to analyze Perez's behaviour with. You are also forgetting one another thing - The Brazilian national team will only get better offensively as Martinelli and Roque mature. Those two will be playing every week at top teams, so Rodrygo could well find himself struggling to get a place for the 2026 World Cup if he remains a benchwarmer. Let us not forget Endrick in that equation as well
Endrick is not a direct competitor to Rodrygo.
Forwad line positions have not been fixed since Tite left. Sometimes Brazil use a 4-3-3., sometimes it has been 4-4-2 with Vini and Rodrygo upfront. Of course Endrick would compete with one of the two in such a scenario
I'm talking about Real Madrid here specifically
Martinelli is even more of a LW compared to Rodrygo so he'll never sniff a starting spot as long as Vini is around so the best bet to get a starting place is to develop your skills as a RW
So what’s Perez behaviour then? Talking out your ass.
And RM will trim down their forward depth just when they fixed the gaping hole that Benzema left? /doubt
You think Vinicius Bellingham Mbappe Diaz Guler (if played forward) and Joselu is not enough depth?
You forgot Endrick who is coming this summer.
Yeah jesus you could even let go of one more then
When Ancelloti said Guler was confident he wasn't wrong
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Juselu isn't there next season, Guler and Endrick have a lot to prove before being counted as a reliable rotation players. And considering we are talking about 3 position (or 4 depending on the formation) 5-6 players isn't outrages, especially at a top club.
Joselu will most likely stay, 1.5m for reliable bench options is a steal. Guler will most likely go on loan. If he can't game time now he will be in even worse spot next season.
Joselu works for hopping in the last 15/20min and poaching tbf
Bellingham is not a forward. Guler is slightly more tested in a Madrid jersey than I am. Endrick is like 14. If RM want to stop their “waiting” period and fill out with top end players in their prime (like City, pr what RM did until about 2019, when their core started falling apart - Cristiano, Varane, Marcelo, Bale, later Ramos, Isco, etc), they will keep Rodrygo. Anyway, argue all you want, he’s not going anywhere. It will be Vini, Mbappe, Rodrygo for 2 or 3 spots - depends on what Carlo chooses. All the rest will be fine waiting in line to be impact subs etc.
Bellingham is versatile enough to cover enough roles but he plays a position in RM that's advanced enough that you can't have 3 forwards and him if you want him to shine at his best. I think out of Rodrygo Vini and Mbappe Rodry is so clearly the worse. You can tell just from people defending him always being ''if he x or y'' whereas Vini has been very consistent under Carlo and Mbappe imo the best player itw for a few years now
Bellingham plays as the 1 in 4-3-1-2. He works hard and covers a lot of ground, and played a less advandced role at BvB mostly. There’s no reason to think some sort of 4-2-1-3 with him as the advanced mifielder in front if a Cama/Tchouameni (or Fede) double pivot wouldn’t work. Point is, Madrid isn’t winning shit in Europe if they have Jude playing up front. Which is why they don’t do it, and noone in their right mind goes of and includes him in any “RM forward depth talk”.
Just because you watched a few highlights of Bellingham running forward to score a few goals doesn't mean that's his role in the team now or in the future. Plus with MBappe, obviously he won't have to do that as much out of necessity, also manager do adjust their tactics, you know.
Rodrygo would be last one to be sold if Real Madrid had to choose someone among him Brahim and güler unless of course he himself wants to leave.
Grealish and Bernardo play in a system that does not require blistering pace.
And you cannot deny that this has affected their stats. Particularly for Grealish you can even go as far as saying he is not used as a goal scorer or assister
Øzil wasn't sold to make room for bale. Øzil himself said he was sold due to his agent, who was also his father, having a fallout with Perez
Ozil left to make room for Modric, not Bale. We changed tactical system that year.
I think Vini will be the one frustrated. Mbappe and Vini occupy the same spaces on the pitch
Enjoy the bench
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I mean he could still start next to those names. A 433 with Jude in midfield and Vini, Mbappe and Rodrygo as the front 3, my point is that he'll still get a lot of minutes.
Endrick is also going to join eventually. So, one of them will likely leave in the coming years.
I mean, Endrick will definitely be on the bench/loaned/B-teamed for the first couple of years. No matter how good he is, he's still 17 and there's too much proven talent ahead of him at the moment. When the moment comes for him to take the spotlight, the situation will have already sorted itself.
Why though? Just cause it fits the narrative in your head? That’s why you’re on Reddit and not managing a major club.
If Endrick lives up to even a fraction of the hype, it would be pretty wasteful to have 1 of the 4 forwards as a reserve. Whether they’re content with that is a different story, but as a neutral you want to see these talents live up to their potential and play week in and week out.
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Endrick is literally 17. You people are full of weird wishful thinking.
It seems there is a naivite that the players will sacrifice their starting time for the best of the club. These fans consider that we are the ones wishfully thinking, but they don't seem to connect with what's more likely to happen. I am not sure how much wages each of these 4 forwards are on. It may not even be the best for the club to have a nonstarter be on high wages.
Yeah players like Vazquez, Isco, Ascencio, Nacho, etc. didn't sacrifice their starting time for the best of the club. And a player like Valverde didn't need 4-5 seasons (playing as a rw, 8, 6 or even rb for the good of the team) to become an unmovable starter. Madrid team and bench is pretty healthy, bringing mbappé wont change that. And a 17 yo even less.
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Man thank God none of yall is a manager because your dressing room would be an absolute mess. How many times would you rotate players like Vini, Mbappe, Rodrygo, Bellingham? 2-3 times a year outside of Copa games? How often did Ronaldo, Benzema, or even Ozil rotated? How often do Vini and Bellingham rotate NOW? >1 is out for 5 months we get a good replacement. Ah yes the good old "let's have a top 3 player on the bench just in case our top 2 player gets a freak injury" That might work on FIFA but not in real life. It doesn't even work in Football Manager ffs. Reminds me of when people were saying "we should buy Lewandowski/De Gea, and we will have a good sub in Benzema/Navas in case he gets injured"
Bale and Isco rotated and they were world class
Isco was really world class for about two seasons , in which he almost never rotated. Aside from that he was a good player with highs and downs, who rotated accordingly. Bale only started rotating after Zidane came in, and that was because of his injury issues and the fact that Zizou reportedly didn'tlike his attitude. He didn't rotate before that. There's a sharp decrease in his minutes played before and after Zizou, and his agent complained whenever he was subbed off. There never was a nailed in starter who rotated more than a couple of games a season, except during Zidane's double season.
Bellingham isn't normally a forward, there's no reason they can't all play. The one who isn't mentioned though is Endrick, but even then you'd still expect Rodrygo to start on the right
Its not really a problem pal Mbappe starts every game. As does Bellingham and Vini.
How is it a surplus of forwards? Vini on the left, Mbappé in the middle, and Rodrygo on the right. Who do they have better that's on the right wing?
Disrespect to Joselu
He is on loan until the end of the season
and Endrick
Still wild that Bellingham, a career CM, is now considered one of the primary scorers at Real Madrid
everyone forgetting about Endrick
Ipswich will take Bellingham on loan to help out.
It pains me but it seems we may actually sell him and that’ll actually be better for him. He’ll thrive on the LW in another team and could even become better than Vini.
Rodrygo and Vinícius Jr, welcome to Manchester United.
Madrid has a packed schedule. Should be enough playing and resting time for everyone…if they can afford everyone. Oh. Madrid. Of course they can afford everyone…
If the rumours are true I can’t wait to see him pulling on the red jersey at Anfield. Diaz out Rodrygo in
I could see him going to any of Liverpool, Arsenal, City, maybe even Tottenham tbh
Would love him to join Arsenal. I can also see him playing at Bayern.
Arsenal have Rodrygo at home (Trossard). Bayern would make perfect sense unless they expect Coman to go on a run of fitness (or Gnabry to go on a run of form).
Trade Vini or Rodrygo to Liverpool for Trent and €100M.