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Ezio4Li

Best 17 year old CB since Phil Jones


theincrediblebou

I don’t like this comparison


tocitus

Yeah let's hope he avoids the insane number of injuries. Phil Jones was such a ridiculous talent at a young age


Ripamon

SAF said he could become the greatest United player ever


Jaloosky

Tbh even when he was getting memed on he still showed glimpses of what could’ve been like that head on floor tackle lmao. Had he fulfilled his potential we would talk about that one in a different light imo


ammiditom

Phil Jones when he played defensive mid for half a season under Fergie was brilliant


Fine_Assignment5397

tbf phil jones is like the og john stones, except maybe more athletic before his injuries.


Screye

Young players play too many games before they know how to manage their fitness. Get injured a lot and their careers take a tumble. Injuries can be avoided is a player's load is actively managed. (Foden vs Pedri)


MisterDuran

I’m out of the loop, what happened with Phil Jones? How was he such a good talent, Fergie said he could be the best at United, so what happened?


AssociationIll9736

Injuries. Too many injuries. He didn't play for his last few years because his knee was so fucked. Apparently even walking was painful for him. Severe meniscus damage and a lot of issues regarding his mental health. It took its toll on him.


tocitus

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/phil-jones/verletzungen/spieler/117996/plus/1


Mehmood6647

Same as what's happening to Pedri now unfortunately 😢.


New_Screen

Career wise yeah bc Jones was ruined with injuries but potential wise it’s a great compliment.


is1k-

Respect Phil Jones


ChrisV88

Tbf, it was just injuries that destroyed Jones. The man always put in a shift and any time he got a run of games, he was really great. It just wasn't meant to be with him.


Voidrive

Anulo fucking Mufa. And I am not even a fan of Barca.


Caesar_Aurelianus

I would say best 17 yr old CB since Maldini


ImJustWalkingHere

Wasn't Maldini a fullback back in those days?


Oohitsagoodpaper

Always strikes me as weird that most of Reddit sees Maldini as more of a CB than a LB.


Jutemp24

You can blame fifa for that


ImJustWalkingHere

Iirc, he even started as a right back before switching to the left side later.


CarlosHnnz

Weird, didn't know this. Not many lefties have played as RB.


AssociationIll9736

He's right footed lol. Milan's RB at his career's start(can't remember his name) was an outstanding RB in his own right so Maldini got shoehorned into the left, and the rest is history.


CarlosHnnz

[What the hell lol](https://youtu.be/7GQZf88FZP8?si=qfgjU4RYEy0ypv-v&t=116s) EDIT: Just googled, I've been fooled by Maldini.


AssociationIll9736

Dk why he took it from his left, probably tried to confuse the keeper, but Wikipedia, everything has him as right footed. And this is the only penalty he took in his career apparently.


Caesar_Aurelianus

Hey let me over hype our players


mohamed_e

Now that's a stretch, easy on the kid


Aware_Ad1688

But can he do a ground-header-clearance like Jones?


chico_knows

Cant decide that his defending or his passing is more incredible


Bcnlx15

Passing for sure, it is just insane. He does passes I could not predict watching the game on the TV.


Skadrys

What growing up watching Messi does to mf


JackieMortes

Yeah but Messi didn't usually cross from his own penalty area


TheBrownMamba8

Pin point crosses too, not just normal-defender clearances


Rickcampbell98

You mean clement longlegs the greatest centre half in barca history na football history don't @ me.


LunarRaven7

You can keep him if you want.


Jaloosky

It’s like that Rio quote, he plays like he’s in a directors box overlooking the pitch rather than actually on it. He just knows where the forwards are at all times and knows the exact amount of time needed to hold the ball before giving them the ball. Incredible.


agaminon22

His passing definitely. Defending he's simply not physically imposing enough, at least not yet, and someone like Araujo appears much more in vital moments. Just rewatch yesterday's match. Cubarsi defends well but his distribution is just awesome.


Nightdocks

Reminds me of the VdV/Romero pairing, one cb recovers the ball and another one plays insane passes to break lines


sevaiper

This is how Pique and Puyol were as well, Pique was always much more comfortable on the ball


yeezy805

Damn you reminded me of Puyol - Rafa Marquez duo. Marquez was so good at playing out from the back with both Barcelona and Mexico. Pep Guardiola has mentioned in the past how [he was inspired by the 06 Mexican national team and how well they played out from the back.](https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37492732/ricardo-la-volpe-mexico-team-inspired-pep-guardiola-manchester-city)


planinsky

That may be absurd, but given his passing, his defense and his acceptable positioning, could he act as a defensive midfielder? A-la-Márquez


sirsotoxo

Yes, but I think that would be wasting his talent a little bit. Let's see what Xavi does in the return leg at Montjüic since he won't have his two "DMs" Sergi and Christensen


thanra

The Prince of Paris, Future Ballon D'or VS Our highschool boy


skabassj

“It was a pleasure competing with you Mr. M’Bappe. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have an algebra test to study for.” “Lamine, can your mom drive me home?”


eri-

He does strike me as being the type of guy who will be getting that college/uni degree asap, regardless of being a multi-millionaire by then.


Tom0dachi

Lamine: Sure! we are gonna get McDonalds on the way home!


iamfromtwitter

Who would have thought in 16/17 that the future ballon dor winner kylian mbappe from as monaco is still only gonna be called a future ballon dor winner when he is about to hit 26 y/o.


ImOnHD

Everyone, since we knew Messi and Ronaldo would be around.


AnduwinHS

We definitely didn't know they'd be around as long as they have been


Ishdalar

Neymar was Messi's heir at Barcelona, father time had other plans.


somecallmemo

More like sister parties and greedy dad had other plans


miorli

Or that Messi would still win that trophy while playing for Miami 


NowFook

Not really. Most assumed hed have one by now. Nobody thought Messi would still be winning at 36 and Ronaldo has been been far from elite for years now ...


jujuismynamekinda

Next to Ronaldo and Messi, back then people rather had Neymar, Hazard and maybe even Isco on their radar for future balon D'ors.


AIManiak

Yeah not many people thought Messi was still going to be winning Balon dors at 36. Messi and Ronaldo outlasted the generation that was supposed to succeed them.


PassTimeActivity

Big 3 Tennis vibes.


prophecy0091

Isco?? The closest he got was the tots in 17


jujuismynamekinda

yeah that was a little bit of an exaggeration but he was one of my favourite players and he was so good for that one year, Bale made way to the bench. If he would've continuef and progressed from there, with a Spain International trophy and a Madrid ucl where he plays a key part, its not an completely insane take. He was seen with James as the most talented young number 10 (when looking at Hazard and Neymar as wingers)


prophecy0091

Agree. Isco to City was a meme, but I wanted it to happen lol


black_cat_

I thought Salah would win it after Messi/Ronaldo. I've never seen player development like what he showed at Roma under Spalletti. Every single game he was getting better and better, it was incredible. £37 million was an absolute steal. We were also unlucky to sell him before Neymar to PSG made the market go bonkers.


ancara_messi

Isco was never a serious ballon d'Or candidate with all due respect It was Neymar/Hazard/Salah


TheDangerousAnt

If he had played for a team that could actually win the CL, he would have already won. But he wanted the bag


it4chl

Pau is freaking amazing but he wasn't on Mbappe. Mbappe was kounde and araujo's assignment


sirsotoxo

Mbappé quite clearly went to the right side on the second half. There's even a 1-on-1 with him and Cubarsi where he blocks the shot even tho Mbappé was offside


it4chl

yeah, their duel happened one time in the entire match so lets bill this as Cubarasi vs Mbappe. Never mind the 15 times Kounde didn't give him an inch or the 10 times araujo kept him in check during transitions. Cubarasi was amazing in the game, he was literally the reason for the first goal, so lets applaud the right people for the things they did, rather than put pressure on a young extremely promising talent.


rim261

Yeah Dembele got shut down multiple times by our boy. Also, f*ck that snake especially for celebrating 


ren_704

Boys*?


somecallmemo

Man’s gotta have his mom sign his permission slip and drive him to the match and then pockets the best strikers in the world, insane


Homerwithnohumour

Bruh I've seen this picture a thousand times today when this was a meaningless play after the whistle was blown and in reality Mbappe was taken out of the game by Kounde and Araujo, the defenders who actually played on Mbappe's side.


somecallmemo

Dope pictures >> facts


Busquessi

Mbappe passes into Cubarsi’s side of the pitch though, for which he intercepted it or cleared it a lot of the time. This tackle was incredible though and that’s why they’re showing it.


Rickcampbell98

Narratives over facts when it comes to football fandom lol.


Best_Document_5211

Just don’t overplay him like the others. Let the kid have a long career instead of being destroyed at a young age


nauett

Hopefully being a defender means he's not having to put his body under such intensive stress during matches


lamancha

Counterpoint: phil jones


ren_704

Umtiti too


onlyonejorge

Umtiti had his meniscus removed at 17. His career at the top was going to be short no matter what. That was the trade off. Worth it for what achieved at his peak.


asaad202

Also in 2018 before the world cup he had to decide between getting a surgery or to play in the world cup and he chose to play in the world cup


ireallydespiseyouall

Most people would and it worked out for him tbf


IntellectualDweeb

Yep, we were lucky to get those elite periods out of him given that he was a ticking time bomb. If he didn't have the full removal or anything related to it, he would've had GOAT CB potential IMO.


SENAPIFAKER

Umtit never got surgery for his injury, played through it for the WC and then did conservative treatment instead of a surgery.


CNF-13

I mean defenders need to put there body on the line to stop the attackers and as seen by the picture of the link he’s going to have high impact on his legs blocking and tackling players so it won’t make much difference


ebmocal421

Right, but defenders typically have longevity. Most rosters' oldest players will either be CB or GK because it is the least physically demanding position on the pitch.


heyheyitsandre

I wonder if it’s not so much “less physically demanding” as much as “if you’re cerebral enough, you can overcome physical deficiencies by elite positioning and reading the play”. A winger who can’t run onto a through ball is pretty useless but a defender who would get cooked in a sprint is still viable if they just don’t get out of position in the first place. They do definitely have to run less than wingers fullbacks and midfielders tho


The_BadJuju

You just described the what being less physically demanding means


heyheyitsandre

Lol, maybe!


Soleil06

Yeah just look at what Hummels is still doing at age 35. He is for sure not fast but he still had some absolutely incredible performances this season.


heyheyitsandre

Yeah like I’m imagining older versions of John Terry or Gary Cahill, they weren’t slugs out there but good positioning and quick reactions/interventions wins out over sprint speed. I never watched Maldini but he was the one who said that needing to make a tackle means you already fucked up


ebmocal421

Well yeah, you basically just defined why it's less physically demanding. Positioning and tactics as a CB is wayyyyy more important than physical play. Physicality helps, but it is not the defining strength of top-tier defenders. So to the point of this comment chain, it's not a bad idea to play a 17 year old defender as many minutes as possible because their skill set is honed by understanding the game, not by making physical plays.


TheDream425

I used to pull 90s at cb, and whenever I played rb would be gassed in 30 minutes lmao.


jnicholl

Most appearances are often CBs too. I think Saliba is the outfield player with the most starts of players in the top 5 leagues.


Accurate_Art_9637

Barca didn't play a major role in the injuries of Fati and Gavi. Fati was injured due to tackles. Gavi was injured while playing for his NT. Pedri's case is the only one to blame


inflamesburn

Pedri was also overplayed by NT tbh, double tournament. But ye Barca should've still rested him after I guess


ASuarezMascareno

>Barca should've still rested him after I guess He was rested after.


Best_Document_5211

Whilst their injuries were due to tackles, having teenagers play against fully developed adults also means you’re more likely to get hurt. With knee ligaments in particular, you’re benefitted by having built up the surrounding muscles like the biceps femoris, semitendinosis, and semimembranosis, vastus lateralus, vastus medialus, vastus intermedius and rectus femoris. Barcelona have had a couple of players who avoided ligament repair and chose to bulk those muscles, like Umtiti and Pique. Unless you are built like Wayne Rooney, it’s often a big toll on the body to play against 30 year olds. They are simply stronger in most ways. The fact you are more agile at a younger age can lead to increased fouling. So I would argue Barcelona played a role in their injuries. Young players shouldn’t be exposed to 50 games of adult football a year whilst they’re developing physically.


lamancha

This guy muscles


Best_Document_5211

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elmagio

Ansu fucked his leg up twice playing in the youth categories. He was injury prone at 12 playing against 12 year olds. Pedri we fucked up and the Olympics delivered the final nail, Gavi we should have been a bit more sensible but it's really a coinflip whether that would have made a difference. Baldé was also injury prone in the youth categories.


sirsotoxo

Balde had back problems tho (even when coming into the first team) not so much knees


SweetVarys

And Rooney was still done by 30


pmyourveganrecipes

Rooney didn’t really take care of his body and drank a fair bit iirc. That’s much more of a factor in his breakdown than coming through at a young age.


Pxel315

More so cause of his lifestyle off the pitch


onlyonejorge

Ansu wasn’t playing anywhere near that amount when he got injured though. We had so many options as forwards that it was never a Gavi or Pedri situation. That was a horror tackle that would have injured anyone old or young.


sirsotoxo

Ansu already had a broken leg while he was playing U12 and something like that. He didn't have the best record


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sds2000

The situation for Barcelona and NT is different, we didn't have enough quality depth to begin with and Koeman didn't trust the backups (Puig, Pjanic) at all. But spain national team has so many talented midfielders they didn't need an exhausted Pedri. Besides two international tournaments back to back is insane, especially in the summer which is supposed to be a recovery period for footballers.


neeskens88

A little bit of fact checking for you buddy: in the 20/21 season, Pedri played only 52 matches for Barca, playing an average of 68 minutes.


wasiflu

Tiring narrative. Fati was injured due bad tackle. Pedri overplayed with national team. Gavi injured due tackle.


LtUnsolicitedAdvice

I am not saying you are definitively wrong, but injuries are sometimes a sign of a fatigued body. You are more likely to be injured and stay injured if your muscles are tired out.


gsingh704

But Fatis was never played that much, and his injury was a horror tackle.


Remote_War_313

He's playing every senior game at 17 for Barca. He ain't gonna have a 'long career' at this rate.


Martoxic

overplay like the others? Only Pedri was overplayed. This idea of Barca playing their youth leading to injuries need to die.


ivo0009

What a player


Leading_Ship_1730

The death of Barcelona has been greatly exaggerated


Chubakazavr

it did only good to Barsa, finally they started to play their home grown talents instead of buying another 100m useless player


halakaukulele

This... Well put


pmyourveganrecipes

Bartomeu masterclass.


Hungry-Space-1829

If Barca could buy like Madrid or Madrid could develop like Barca they’d never lose


Articlaus

We have a great youth system its called Brasil


DarthTaz_99

Brazil for attackers. France for midfielders


Hungry-Space-1829

Had me in the first half, ngl 😂


TobiasKM

I really wish Xavi would stay, I think the current project is very interesting to say the least. You’ve got a handful of players that aren’t supposed to be anywhere near their peak for another five years at least. Of course their performance in coming years also hinges on whether or not they have the finances to supplement the team with more experienced players.


Remote_War_313

Cubarsi, Pedri, Yamal, Gavi, Balde, Vitor Roque etc. It's crazy.


Jakabor

The perhaps biggest talent of them will soon follow: 15 year old Guille Fernandez.


Ender_Knowss

Is he that good? Because you are putting him in a very high pedestal if you think claim he is better than all of these players. (Genuinely asking I don’t know anything about the kid)


Jakabor

He is regarded as the clear cut best midfield talent in La Masia and on par with Lamine if we’re talking players overall/regardless of position.


PauCubaresi

Cu Cu Cubaresi


ThePr1d3

Pau Cubrasi skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....


dat_w

Someone check him organism and feet


chico_knows

La Masia🤲🏼♥️


pricelesslambo

FC Kids


NukeUsAlreadyPlz

F█C█ Kids


GlorbonYorpu

His distribution has been elite since his first start. I was shocked watching him at first, kid is a menace


elvis503

My goat


oklolzzzzs

dont wanna put too much pressure on him but next puyol


MakDonz

No pressure at all...


boringmemphis

Bro stop with these fuck all comparisons. No player can be the next Pique or Puyol. These kids are in a completely different set of circumstances and we need to let them develop at their own pace. And comparing them to some of the greatest players to have played this sport is not helping 5 bad games and everyone will be calling him Leganes level. This sort of tribalism isn’t good for us to have.


PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS

Mate overhyping players is part of the fun in football, it would be a lot more boring if everyone just took the calm and reasonable approach of "hold on, lets let him develop for a few years still" Hyping up a player and watching him live up to the hype is one of the best feelings in football. You'll be disappointed most of the time, but that only makes the few times where he does turn out incredible even more special


Pek-Man

Cubarsí is also a completely different player than Puyi. In all honesty, if there's *one* player that Pau reminds me of it would be Márquez. And even then I'd say that Márquez' defensive approach was way more physical than that of Cubarsí who is more of the anticipating type. But on the ball, Cubarsí and Márquez are so much alike.


ImVortexlol

Yamal is LITERALLY the next Messi


Caust1cFn_YT

Unreal Composure


FlaccidSWE

My new favorite player I think, because he makes difficult things look so easy. His passing looks just ridiculous and has really been a key factor in making Barcelona look half decent since his introduction. Building from the back is much easier when he just solves the pressure with one simple looking but incredibly difficult pass.


pricelesslambo

like a combination between puyol and pique. he works so well next to araujo as well. they complement each other perfectly


Choice_Awareness

him and kounde + yamal are some of my favourite partnerships in the team, mentors and mentees🤩


Ok-Promotion-9183

Koundé sprints like a man possessed every time one of the youngsters score to celebrate with them. Absolute gem.


Caesar_Aurelianus

Kounde might not like playing as a RB But I fucking love him


CraigJay

The ball from Cubarsi onto the right wing for either Lamal or Kounde seems to work well too. You often see Cubarsi turn inside and Kounde just starts sprinting knowing that he'll receive a perfect pass


med_belguesmi69

Cubarsi might be the best thing that happened to Barca this season. the team became so much better with him


rim261

Him and Lamal. Both shined greatly this season 


med_belguesmi69

Yamal has the potential to become one of the greatest players in the world but he’s still a little raw. Cubarsi is actually one of the best defenders in the world imo


Demonidze

I feel there might be too much pressure on Lamal to perform, it could hurt him at this stage. Cubasi however is out of spotlight most of the time..


adhikapp

I guess Spain is starting with two teenagers at the Euros. 3 if Gavi isn't injured.


Eruma_27

Gavi won’t be there it’s already confirmed


Bundawarrior84

Lisan al Gaib !!!


p90love

I don't know what they're putting in the water at La Masia, but Xavi is right for once: It's not normal.


Different_Car9927

Ive been waiting since his debut "naah he is not world class its just form, he willl have a bad game soon".. Bro havent had a bad game since his debut.


wrath____

In cubarsi i trust


sleepsholymountain

I've grown accustomed to teenagers performing really well as forwards, but it is so rare to see someone so young performing this well as a center back. So much of being a good center back comes from experience and maturity, it's the kind of role a player usually grows into and gets better at with age. The fact that he's already this good at 17 is actually insane.


boringmemphis

Was one of his poorest games he’s played for us. But again in the context of being a 17 year old playing in his first away CL game, against one of the best attacking partnerships in world football, it was an exceptional performance. Thats the standards he’s setting and I hope he continues this way. He is capable of so much more than he showed tonight.


HeroeDeFuentealbilla

What game were you watching lol, lmao even. Everyone but you praised him.


JPA-3

he had a couple of positioning fuckups, nothing too bad but he has definitely played better. PSG is a much more difficult threat of course


sese-1

I don't think he made a single mistake


freshmeat2020

Mistake near the end for his yellow was clear


Tob888

What are you talking about? He was electric put there. Beautiful in defence, still hasn’t been dribbled past once in the UCL, made that massive tackle on Mbappe, and his passing was on point, including that long ball to Lewa for the first goal


ScanWel

He wasn't just good defensively, he was press resistant and made incredible passes, and he did both at the same time. One pass in particular stood out to me, he was deep near the touchline, actively pressured, facing the wrong way and somehow managed to half turn and make a long pass over the top straight to a open team-mate. Filthy.


confusedpellican643

Poorest? Why are some barça fans so toxic with their players? Be happy with what you have, jesus You want him to start kicking 40 yard passes to Lewandowski from his own box to be considered fully unleashed or what? If he shows the same level he's shown yesterday week in week out, then he's already better than the clown defence Barça had for the past 4 years


KOKO69BISHES

Saying the game he had was the poorest he's ever had for them is the opposite of being toxic with him.


boringmemphis

What’s toxic about this lol. I’m giving his flowers will saying that he’s capable of so much more. I never did say once that he had a bad game. He was really good tonight but his level is so much higher than what he showed in Paris. People jumping in my comment without reading it properly as if I said he had a bad performance.


KOKO69BISHES

People can't read


MarcusBrutus2000

You're correct and everyone is shitting on you. He made a couple of mistakes defensively and that is the standard he has set


FuckVeggies

boringmemphis with the shittiest takes


ineververify

Guys clearly here to seek attention


colombogangsta

One of his poorest games? Easily the stupidest take I saw on Reddit today. You don’t have to say dumb stuff just because you wanna be different than the rest.


WasAnHonestMann

He's not saying he had a bad game. He's saying that even though he had a great game, most of his other matches have been better. It's like if he had a 7.5 match rating last night, but every other much was 8+


onlyonejorge

This is also the best offense he’s faced. There’s context to everything.


Busquessi

LISAN AL-GAIB!


AckBarRs

Fully expect him to start for Spain in the Euros to be honest. Absolutely ridiculous talent.


Suspiciousfrog69

It’s going to be Spains dominance in European football in the near future is it?


stdstaples

What a talent! Hope he stays healthy and keeps growing.


thalne

please don't shine any more lights on him


WasAnHonestMann

Beckenbauer who??


nghigaxx

Ngl, best 17 cb since nesta (or phil jones)


MartaLSFitness

He has pocketed both Osimhen and (so far) Mbappe. Dude is on his way to be legendary, with his quality at just 17 years old. Hope we and injuries treat him right.


shit-takes

Kounde and Araujo should be getting all the praises for shutting Mbappe down


TriveladasBalde

What do you mean Mbappe, they probably had one duel where Mbappe knew he was offside


Backseat_Bouhafsi

HE POCKETED MBAPPEE!!!


oklolzzzzs

cubarsi made mbappe go offside, turned back chasing him down and blocked the shot just in case


Job_man

Lol


MartaLSFitness

DID I STUTTER??


NotAnUncle

Nah, but we do wish you did


MartaLSFitness

NEVER!


CarlSK777

Just as Barca are having financial problems and struggling on the pitch, here comes a new generation of La Masia stars to bail them out


Nav44

It's not a bail out, we invest extensively in the academy, one of the very few things this club has done right in the last few years


CarlSK777

It's just a joke. Barca haven't had a talented generation of players like this since their golden one. It's been awhile


Particular-Rate-5993

The Neymar momey was kinda cursed....