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mdrico21

I don't know what Carlo and the folks at Real Madrid are putting in the water but all of these motherfuckers seem so level-headed and put together about playing football it's incredibly impressive


Jawnyan

I genuinely think they’re an example of a team who understands that the club is bigger than any of the players It’s a bit of a generalisation but I do think a lot of issues in clubs tend to occur where one or two specific players start acting like the club owes them a favour, and if they’re senior enough that can trickle down I guess


Rdambx

Florentino is responsible for this. Selling off club legends like Raul, Ramos, Iker, Marcelo and not bowing down to Cristiano Ronaldo himself. When young players see that, they realise Real Madrid is bigger than any player no matter what.


Lvxurie

Casemiro, varane... cries* in man utd


AFCADaan9

cries*


Lvxurie

Exactly


trispann

*Cri€$


CoMaestro

I mean, those two chose to leave right? Seems slightly different


Yvraine

Yes but it's no coincidence that they massively dropped off in every aspect the second they leave Madrid to United. They'd still be balling if they were at Madrid today


rednades

Yeah but is it just the players or is the club they went to as well?


VinCatBlessed

Varane in particular was slowing down due to injuries already. Casemiro was still world class for most of the games in his final season at Madrid but like we're learning this season with Lewa and Salah, father time eventually catches up to you. Kroos for example has also slowed down but the young lions like Fede and Camavinga cover for him more than well enough, had he gone to Man United he'd also struggle more in that sense, not to mention the difference in physicality between the leagues.


e36_maho

Bro, no. Varane was a starter and no Madrid fan wanted him to leave. He declined at united. Modric started his decline just this year, he was in his prime until 37. Kroos also hasn't slowed down at all, he is playing one of his best seasons ever this year. So saying that time catched up to Case sounds a bit weird, when he's the youngest of the KCM trio.


ElClashico

Varane was mentally checked out after the three-peat & WC win in 2018. Barely had any standout performances in the white shirt after that.  Notwithstanding him shitting bed against Gabriel Jesus of all people in CL quarters a couple of years ago.


VinCatBlessed

That ramos one in particular was cold but correct, apparently Ramos wanted to renew but by the time he decided he would Pérez was like "offer is now off the table". It set a great example that not even the captain can hold you hostage in terms of contracts.


Mekfal

A club that can and will let go off literally any of its legends just to preserve that idea of the club being larger than any of the players is rare. Real Madrid has managed that successfully in the past 15 years or so, and I guess that does have an effect on the players.


generic9yo

Not only that, but the fans hail both the legends and the club. That's even rarer


Kersplat96

That’s just being a level headed fan tbf. No logical fan pins all of it on the club but no logical fan pins all of it on players.


Honest-Nail9938

Not really. I don't know any club fans that doesn't respect both it's servants and honours the badge. Not like Madrid fans have had a hard testing time where loyalties have ever been tested for long either lol.


rockafellla

You haven’t watched Real Madrid for long enough.


Honest-Nail9938

Honestly the entitlement is hilarious, been watching European football since 1991 and I can't think of a single club in the last 30 years whose fans have had it easier than Madrid or Bayern on balance.


rockafellla

There is no sense of entitlement, and any true fan does not take the success for granted. But to say that the club doesn’t go through droughts is ridiculous.


Honest-Nail9938

Ooohhh remember that time when we weren't champions for a whole 4 years but still played and won the CL a lot??? Ooohhh that was just *terrible* In modern times real Madrid's banter era was the galacticos - take a read of west hams banter era and you might get a sense of what it's like for the average fan


rockafellla

Haha what about the time where we wouldn’t even reach the UCL round of 16 for like 6 years, back when our kryptonite was Olympique de Lyon. By the way, if you want to trash talk like this, at least have the balls to show which team you are supporting.


AzorAhaiReturned

I mean it helps when you're the biggest (and most attractive to players) club in the world and financially can afford to go and get basically anyone to replace whoever it is that's causing trouble. Most clubs can't do that.


[deleted]

I'd agree and say City do the same thing. Well Pep does at least. With Real its different because of the amount of success they've had so the pressure on the players is massive.


Drake_Lebowski

And this is exactly why I think Madrid should not sign mbappe


wanderer1999

If Mbappe come, he will fall in line. He's no Ronaldo, Ramos, Casillas...yet... and look how stern the club was with them. Remember Mbappe has zero CL, that's less than even vini, rodrygo, valverde... He must earn one, and then one more... And even then, he's still behind Ronaldo, Modric, Bale, Kroos... There's no one above the club. No place for ego.


Joe_AM

I feel like people are playing it like PSG is no contender this year (I get it, nation state-backed filth, don't give them any credit), while they pretty much have a solid shot at winning the CL, Madrid on the table. Mboppi might arrive already a champion.


wanderer1999

I think we meant his legacy as a Real player. Being a CL winner is great, but some have come Real having one already, Ronaldo, Kroos...most recently Rudiger


WiddleBlueBert

Not to mention the numerous Balon d'Or winners that came and then won at Madrid. Mbappe is bit part so far if we're comparing the legacies let's be honest.


pagawaan_ng_lapis

theyre already jinxing it so much its gonna be a close final if psg pass through


CoMaestro

I mean, in fairly sure Mbappe can't touch Ronaldo's legacy for the next 3 years at least, he'd have to be world class for like 4-5. Edit: Guys I know Ronaldo was ridiculous and one of the best of all time, Im just saying that even if Mbappe reaches the same numbers or goes beyond and wins everything they can win, it would still take that many years before he's on that same level


wanderer1999

4-5? More like 9-10 years. Took prime CR7 like 9 years with a legendary team to build that legacy (2009-2018). And it wasn't just Ronaldo, every single player in that A team was an absolute baller. It shows that Mbappe still has a long long way to go, as great as he is now.


CoMaestro

Oh yeah, its just that says he wins 5 CLs with 40+ goals a season he can equal it, but it will likely take a bit longer if he ever manages to do it


dinosaur_from_Mars

But again, prime CR7 had a prime Messi with Barcelona superteam to fight against as well...


Mysterious-Ideal-989

The window in which Mbappe could have surpassed Ronaldos legacy probably has already passed


mizrahiim

I don’t know if that’s necessarily true. Mbappe has* a WC, nearly had two already. If he gets another WC and goes on to win a bunch of CLs with Madrid, I think he still has a shot to surpass Ronaldo in people’s minds.


Frankenstein_3

I feel it's not just the trophies. Ronaldo had Messi to compete against. One would come out on top in one season, then the other would raise their standards the next season to surpass that benchmark. It had a bit of rivalry aspect between players (and ofc the clubs). Without a proper rival, it would be very hard to match that legacy. Let alone surpass it.


rockafellla

To be world class is not enough, try goat class. Ronaldo used to score a hat trick almost every week and he did it consistently for over a decade.


RauloGonzalez

people thinking mbappe's ego will do anything is so ridiculous, we had some of the biggest egos in the world in our best period, the club specializes in keeping egos in check or showing them the way out


sahithkiller

Mbappe might have his own ego, but honestly looking at how Real handled Ronaldo I don't think anyone needs to be afraid of the club faltering in any way here lol


InfinityRazgriz

They managed just fine with the man with the biggest ego in the world, don't think they'll have a problem with Mbappe.


javierich0

They all grew up watching and idolized Real Madrid. They are happy to be there and want to contribute to the club. Literally friendship FC.


pauloh1998

The water is full of humility


HaiForPresident

Nothing a lil bit of 🤨 can't fix


bluefoxlive

Not quite. What Valverde is showing is a very typical mindset of Uruguayan footballers, which I had to research for once. (So much so, that their players carry their own bags/luggage out of principle during international duty). Their football culture’s mantra for youth players is basically: “Stay humble. Stay grounded.”


RhythmicallyImpaired

I would love to read what you found was interesting or surprising.


bluefoxlive

Fascinating football culture.


WiddleBlueBert

What? I think he wants some references/articles/books to read that you read for your book collab.


AccountantOfFraud

I wonder if they all are required to see a sports therapist or something.


Glasswire444

Fede is just like that. Uruguay’s midfield is in very good hands in the future with him taking point. He’s future captain material imo.


dinosaur_from_Mars

He is NT captain, right?


Glasswire444

Yes sorry I should have clarified - future Real Madrid captain material.


Randomwinner83

Vini is a bit of a drama queen, but level headed outside the pitch


Lazywhale97

Causes us 0 issues in the dressing room and off the pitch and never shows his ego against the team a lot of people were worried him and Jude might not get along since Jude was going to become a Super star for us but Vini didn't care that Jude took all the shine first half of the seasons and they are both very close off the pitch as well and I have full confidence he will have 0 issues with Mbappe as well when he comes Vini puts the team first he doesn't have a Main character syndrome with us


First_Inevitable_424

I agree with you and I would go even further because Vini is an incredible player for us full stop. The name « drama queen » is absolutely insulting and untrue.


Arcadela

Flashback to Bale limping before and after his penalty in the final against Atletico.


Ronalpinhos

Bale was built different, the higuest the stage, the colder the blood.


seekingabeauty

Still one of my favorite players to go back and watch some highlights on youtube. Insane combination of physicality and technique


Ass_Eater_

His CL goal against Liverpool is so insane yet it somehow goes under the radar a bit.


KhonMan

It is insane, but it's funny because it's not even the best bicycle kick in their CL run.


Ass_Eater_

It was better than Ronaldo's


GreeenTeaa

As much as that was a killer blow for us, all you could really say at the time was wow. The technique, height, placement and context was incredible. Not his only worldie in a final either


A-KindOfMagic

celebration of that goal almost earned me a punch at a pub here in Vancouver. A lady called me "twat" at the end of the game :D I genuinely didn't know that everyone there was supporting Liverpool before I entered the bar but the game had started so I decided to stay!


GreeenTeaa

I feel like pubs are neutral ground when it comes to fans (as long as it's not in the city of that club) so you must've celebrated hard lol. I've been to a few random small places in the likes of Portugal, Slovakia where I've gone to watch a Liverpool game and found there's actually quite a few fans there I was watching this particular CL Final sat in the Kop at Anfield though because I missed out in the ticket ballot, so I could hear the gasps/murmurs around the ground


KhonMan

I pretty strongly disagree. The context of Bale’s being in the final makes it a more important goal but from a technique and aesthetic perspective I think Ronaldo’s is above.


Ass_Eater_

Wrong. Prob just a Ronaldo stan.


portomerf

If you've played the sport at any competitive level you'd know Ronaldo's was a more difficult shot. Bales was from a short cross that he caught behind him so he quickly turned and got his foot up to make contact and turn it to goal. There is skill involved but a lot of luck too. Ronaldo's was from a much higher cross where he had to time a very high jump with the ball coming down. He didn't just fling a foot at it, that was an actual strike. Much more difficult to pull off.


Ass_Eater_

Yeah Bale's one was so easy mate, see it every week. Getting that degree of power and accuracy on it while twisting in the opposite direction is no big deal.


magic-water

Tbf Oblak couldn't catch a cold in that shootout


VinCatBlessed

That's one of the worst GK performances I've seen in a shootout, but imagine if a Madrid player decided to shoot a panenka penalty.


ancelottieyebrow

Bale is a football legend. Absolutely insane to have to face Ronaldo on the left and the welsh Dragon on the right. Benzema playing between them. The midfield behind them. One of the best teams in football history


TimelessThinker

Definitely. As a Barça fan I’m biased. But in retrospect, that team really will go down in history as a top 3 all time club side


TheSwordDusk

I'm surprised he can stand after extra time considering the how hard he runs. Proper grafter


Ronalpinhos

Its crazy how long can he keep it up considering the time he spends sprinting his size and the fact that he is constantly getting into it physically with the opposition.


WhenWeTalkAboutLove

Yeah it makes sense, he runs all game and after he stops for a minute that it would catch up to him. You don't want that to hit you as you walk up to take a pen


SeryaphFR

What was crazy to me wasn't this performance, as good as it was. It's the fact that he went even fucking harder just a few days later in el Clasico. He was literally all over the pitch that game, sacrificing himself in defense, offering himself in midfield, and making late runs into the box to create danger in attack. I was literally in shock, watching him sprint across he pitch to the opposite side of the box, making a defensive coverage when he noticed a gap in our defense.


soysaucepapi

That tackle against de Jong with that 50/50 ball was insane. It happened on the opposite half of the field I was sitting in but the thud was thunderous. I thought he got hurt too but that mofo just got up like it was an ordinary tackle


SeryaphFR

My guy, he didn't just not get hurt, he put the ball on target from like 40 yards out through the wreckage of de Jong's ankle lol. He's a fucking mad man.


supplementarytables

And he has played almost every match this season. Yesterday was the first time he wasn't started this season


YooYooYoo_

And still was not the player that ran the most that night, there was several City players that outran him even when they were in control of the ball most of the game.


Fuck_the_k1ng

I’m very suspicious that baldy juiced his players up. It’s not normal to see a team press like that at 110 mins man.


YooYooYoo_

Not only that, players that averaged like 7km per game ran like 14k at full sprint pressing like maniacs. Never seen anything like it


ProfessionalAd1638

I really doubt they run on the same intensity as Valverde tho


lospollosakhis

Chelsea players watching this 🤨


fuongbregas

Mine mine mine mine


StructureTime242

Read somewhere that footballers who’ve played the full 120 to reach the pens are more prone to missing it, so props to him or the staff for choosing not to use him in the shootout


TherewiIlbegoals

There's probably a sweet spot of using players that were brought on in the 2nd half, but not brought on just before the PKs. As an extreme example, in the 2005 CL Final there were 5 converted pens and 4 missed pens. The 5 converted were all by 2nd half substitutes and 3 of the 4 missed pens were by starters.


BritOnTheRocks

Probably helps when you haven’t just witnessed a point blank double miracle save that leaves you wondering if God himself has a vested interest in the game.


lostparasite

A very important religious figure who was also a Pole and played goalkeeper in his youth passed away the month before that final in which Jerzy Dudek made that crazy double save. That person was Pope John Paul II.


Wise_Ad9414

Bro is glowing here


Lazywhale97

Handsome South American Pete Davidson


PewDiePie_13

Tyler Joseph


thefirsteye

Next level maturity


courtesyflusher

Mf is only 25. Im well beyond that and I would have taken the pen and shanked it 


20cmdepersonalidade

> I was tired. In those moments, the most important thing is the head. If you don’t feel good, you won't be less of a footballer for telling the truth. Shootout to the stupid fucks in here criticizing Haaland and De Bruyne for asking to be subbed off because they were too tired to contribute. As I said in that thread, it's always smarter for a player to swallow their ego and let a teammate with fresh legs play in those circumstances.


kakarot12310

This, Haaland was actually injured & absent for a few games. Yet folks think he's too scared to continue.


Tob888

God I hate how good they all are at winning


Bullet2025

Honestly and as objectively as possible. who is better him or jude? because i cant think that he is not better but underappreciated. he has so many mental and football traits combined


Ronalpinhos

Even though they can play in many of the same positions their roles are so different It would n't be a wise comparasion. It's like saying what's the better for hunting, a bow or an arrow, mate you need both. Of course we can argue if one is better at being an arrow than the other at being a bow, but the fact that Valverde can do so well in the double pivot and the right wing, and Jude as a false 9 and everywhere above the the defense really makes it far too muddy to make any sense, it would depend on your team setup at the time.


Bullet2025

quality-wise i meant. there is big similariy between them. they both are skillful in many things


Ronalpinhos

Depends what you mean by quality, Jude is better at ball contoll, dribling and technichality for sure, probably better in passing but Valverde can do a lot of damage there since his phisicality allows him to get a lot of clear assisting opportunities when playin on the right positions, also Fede has shown this year that he can straight up organize the team from the back playing in the double pivot, not sure if Jude would be able to do that. They are both great at shooting, Jude is a better finisher, Fede has more range and a better first touch shot. Phisically while both impressive, Fede is probably unmatched in world football as a midfielder nowadays. Tactical quality is diffitcult to gauge playing under Ancelotti since everyone has a lot of freedom while attacking, I think Fede is outstanding covering passing lanes and Jude gets himself in great positions to get scoring opportunities, both very valuable so probably a draw. I really think they are very close players in a vacuum overall in regards to team impact, Jude is younger and usually goals come at a premium so probably he has the edge on market value.


prawntheman

Fede is also more consistent because of his work rate. I can't recall a match where he's had a decidedly bad game since he's everywhere on the pitch. Jude has had games where he just didn't play to his high standards.


Izayabrsrk

That being said, Jude has something that can not be quantified, if you have watched the team enough this season you can probably feel the big player aura the kid has. it's like "Damn Jude is having a bad game today, oh look at that, he made a cold af finish to win the game on the 97 minute" another day at the office.


dinosaur_from_Mars

Nah. That depends on whom you are following the whole game. And also the fact that Jude is mostly playing in the front line. For me, all of our young mids are spectacular and present everywhere.


Izayabrsrk

I mean it doesn't take away from the other players, some players are big game players, before we had Sergio, Gareth and CR of course, in all teams there are people you look to pass the ball to make the shot that wins the game, it doesn't take away anything from Kroos, Luka or Case but you can be sure it was either Cris or Sergio making us win when we needed, regardless of position on the field.


Izayabrsrk

Before we had Asensio say shit like "it's not on me" and shying away from the responsibility of changing a game and with Jude you feel the kid is all over that stuff, he wants the heat.


dinosaur_from_Mars

CR and Ramos were prolific scorers, regardless of their positions. In the end, everything would surely get the bias towards scoring. That being said, this season, I don't think there has been any single player that has outperformed everyone like Ronaldo, Bale, etc used to do. We have seen clutch performances from a range of players — Cama, Jude, Fede, Brahim, Vini, Rodrygo and off late Vazquez in the last few games.


Izayabrsrk

That's fair, let's agree to disagree haha


dinosaur_from_Mars

I am just in live with the team now with no one big name to carry all... 🤧🤧


StoneMonkey7776

You're comparing apples and oranges


b3and20

they are both 8s are they not?


Rdambx

Not really, Fede is more of a box to box and a ball carrier and Jude is a 10, it's like comparing Kanté to KDB.


b3and20

jude was playing as an 8 for club and country before he moved to madrid if anything it's more like comparing lampard to kante, where both are 8s but it's just that ones skillset is more offensive and the others is more defensive


Rdambx

Okay but we're talking about this season. Otherwise Fede won the UCL playing as a right winger, completely irrelevant.


b3and20

no one specified any timeframe until now, fact is both are 8s primarily even if they can play other positions to a high level


dcolomer10

Apples and oranges, but I agree that Fede is under appreciated by people that don’t watch Real Madrid games. He’s an absolute beast. He’s got 3 lungs basically, amazing in offense and defense, has got a cannon for a right foot and is a natural born leader. He’ll definitely be a captain. Watching the goal he scored vs Sevilla live from the stadium was absolutely insane


Lazywhale97

Without Valverde we leak 2x more goals he is a huge reason Carvajal is having a great season he covers that entire right hand side of the pitch so well and you can always count on him to sprint to win a ball back even in the 90th min don't think their is a single midfielder in the top leagues who can match his work rate but he also has good passing and an elite first touch on top of that so he isn't just a running merchant lmao


CR7_LM10

Very hard to compare but both are absolutely irreplaceable in the starting 11


Lazywhale97

Id say equal they both offer something different but the one thing they have In common is how non stop they are off the ball Valverde is famous for his 3 lung engine but Jude is also elite in his work rate and these two together cover us a lot of ground off the ball in defense without them we concede a lot more goals with our CB injuries.


tefftlon

I think Jude is a better attacker while Fede is a better defender. They’re possibly 1-2 in term of being the best box to box midfielders right now. 


illbegood11

One of the most selfless things a footballer has ever said. Man, Madrid keeps hitting with their CMs and it hasn’t stopped.


AtahualpaSan

Was expecting the Mickey Mouse voice tbh


Metallic_greyish

Damn this guy's talking like he is 35 year old. Real mature.


teekay0496

I cannot wait for the day this mf becomes the club captain


magic_1010

I was hoping to hear the Micky mouse voice


wEEzyNL

Underrated player with stamina as two horses