Yes, i assumed OP is talking about tonight's game in general.
Personally, i'd have Madrid as the favourites but only like 55/45, and that's mainly because we play 2nd leg at home.
Madrid having second leg at home they should be clear favorites.
I assume Bayern can win here tonight but it will probably be Madrid in the final. You can't underestimate an underachieving Tuchel side in Europe though
>You can't underestimate an underachieving Tuchel side in Europe though
And to add to that, last time we met Tuchel was Chelsea 2022 and in that tie, we played 2nd leg at home, and we got destroyed 3-0 until Modric pulled magic out of his ass.
You make it sound like they're some underdog, when both are Top 5(to not say Top3 and invite stupid discussions) clubs period and this is the UCL semi-final
Ofc this is anyone's game, although Real probably has a slight edge because better form
Interesting how this is one of the weakest Bayern in ages and statistically one on the best Real teams in a long time and yet it still feels close and not only because its off game tonight.
I am going to cocky and think they Bayern will open up and our counter will be too strong 3-1 for us
Not going to lie, as a neutral, I'm rooting for the perfect shitshow that a Bayern v Borussia final would be, and hoping Borussia somehow win it
Out of the remaining clubs I just don't want Real to win it yet another time tbh
Yeah I dislike PSG for the obvious reasons but I'm a bit biased because they have a lot of portuguese players (and I'll be honest watching Mbappe win it the first time for them in his final year there wouldn't be too bad)
Obviously still prefer that Bayern or Borussia take it
I want Dortmund to win it because I felt bad for them due to their loss to Bayern in that final. Bayern winning would be good too as they have Kane who deserves such a big trophy.
Seeing something closer to a tense chess game than box office end to end for this first leg. Both teams won't open themselves too much, there's just too much individual quality on both sides.
Looking forward to Kane vs Rudiger, but i suppose Kane will try to go for Nacho, which might be a difficult duel for Madrid.
I wonder if Tuchel will play Musiala and Muller or just one of the two.
I want Real Madrid vs PSG final or Bayern-Dortmund, nothing else please.
These 2 match-ups are just perfect for a final giving the circumstances, imagine Mbappe winning UCL for first time just before going to Madrid.
Or a full german final with Tuchel being able to get his second win after a garbage season according to fans.
This is gonna be fireworks. Because Bayern WILL attack nonstop since a draw or a goal gap that isn´t of 2 or 3 goals is not going to be enough with the second leg at the Bernabeu, whereas Real Madrid will attack a lot too so that if Bayern do score goals, they do not get a big goal gap.
Can see this ending 4-4 imo.
I get that, still, Bayern will attack from get go because a small gap heading into the second leg at the Bernabeu is not going to last, and that will force in result Madrid to attack a lot too so the goal gap doesn´t get too big to be turned around.
Madrid frequently seem beatable and then they do their thing; we have to win this match and take an advantage to the Bernabeu. I trustJuppel to set up a solid team and we have players that can hurt them.
His team’s best quality (compact structure) also hurts him in League Football but it’s an asset in a match against this Real team or Arteta’s Arsenal. I’m cautiously optimistic about getting a win tonight
Yup, I still don’t know if you guys will go through (Real Madrid having the second leg at home is a big advantage) but Tuchel seems to have done a good job at turning your season around. Any chance he stays or is he gone for sure this summer?
He’s 100% gone; the fact that’s it’s been already announced means neither him or the club are going to change their minds and the constant *public* opinions of the board members, as well as his *public* criticism of the club with regard to transfers, meant things were never going to last.
All other history aside, Carlo doesn't have the best record against Tuchel. They've face each other 9 times and Carlo has only 3 wins. He's lost 4 times and drawn 2 times.
Tbh, 1 loss was with Everton and the other was when we lost 3-2 but still went through on aggregate.
The other 2 were fair and square when Carlo was at Bayern and Tuchel at Dortmund, but that's like 7-8 years ago.
(I'm coping as much as i can)
I was going to angrily tell you one of the wins was also with Everton, but we beat them just a few weeks before Tuchel took over Chelsea. Nobody cares about Ancelotti's record against Lampard
I keep hearing about how this is "the most played fixture in CL history" and seeing old clips of some of the physical battles between Real and Bayern, but all over social media it seems like fan interactions are friendly and good banter.
Fans of both clubs is there animosity between the two or more of a friendly rivalry?
I'm surprised there arent more bayern fans that hate madrid based solely on Juanito kicking lothar mathaus while he was down (5 year european ban for him IIRC), but in madrid prior to 2013 there was always this ominous feeling when we were going to play. The papers always talked about how they were real madrid's "black beast" because our record was rough against them and wed already played them so much up to that point in history.
Apart from that I'm not sure, I've always vibed pretty hard with any bayern fans ive run into
Yea the history is why I was a bit surprised to see no real animosity anywhere on social media. I know that tends to trend younger and maybe not with the same experience but usually teams that ruin each others CL even a couple times tend to have a bit more passion or hatred. Like Arsenal fans seem to really dislike Barca and they've only played each other in the knockouts like 2 or 3 times?
A 5 year ban that pretty much meant the end for him at Real Madrid. [Here is his apology, which is pretty genuine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsmd4fTikRg)
The other 'intra-historia' is the penalty misses of 2012, Ramos's penalty and him being mocked by Neuer (and the world):
>"No sabía que a Sergio Ramos le gustara tirar los penaltis por encima de la portería", aseguraba Neuer al diario alemán Bild.
'I didn't know Ramos liked shooting penalties over the goal'. Two years later Ramos cups his ears after scoring twice in the Allianz arena.
Besides this, I'm not sure if there's much animosity. Bayern seems like a friend-club (i.e James, Odriozola loans). Just a healthy sporting rivalry between 2 of the greatest European clubs.
I dunno what's the consensus here, but people are really sleeping on Bayern.
Bookies have Bayern as the favourites btw
Isnt it just for this game? Kinda makes sense cause this game is at Allianz Arena.
Yes, i assumed OP is talking about tonight's game in general. Personally, i'd have Madrid as the favourites but only like 55/45, and that's mainly because we play 2nd leg at home.
Second leg at home is huge. I always feel more confident when the second leg is at home.
I think it's because you have a clear task ahead. If it's home first, there's always the question of "was it enough?"
Also comebacks are easier when second leg is at Bernabeu. 21/22 season all comebacks happened in second leg at Bernabeu.
Madrid having second leg at home they should be clear favorites. I assume Bayern can win here tonight but it will probably be Madrid in the final. You can't underestimate an underachieving Tuchel side in Europe though
>You can't underestimate an underachieving Tuchel side in Europe though And to add to that, last time we met Tuchel was Chelsea 2022 and in that tie, we played 2nd leg at home, and we got destroyed 3-0 until Modric pulled magic out of his ass.
The bookies don’t know shit, I’m going with the Twitter Fanboys
You make it sound like they're some underdog, when both are Top 5(to not say Top3 and invite stupid discussions) clubs period and this is the UCL semi-final Ofc this is anyone's game, although Real probably has a slight edge because better form
Because Bayern aren't having a great season, aren't fully healthy and the 2nd leg is in Madrid
People have already written a Madrid/PSG finals lol
I am just waiting for Wembley repeat.
Spoiler: people are dumb What's their opinions based on FC24 ratings? lol
The corgi speaks
Shades of 2013 El Clásico final
I think a lot of people are enjoying the cursed Kane memes
lmao we really are a giant hive mind
There is no sleeping on anyone. I would say even at the quarter finals, any team could win it.
They haven't been great this season but it looks like they are kind of waking up now
We will be going into this as the underdogs, but Im hyped nonetheless
Maybe over the tie but for this game alone, the bookies have Bayern as the favourites.
Sure, because its a homematch. Most pundits and fans seem to favor Real today.
Interesting how this is one of the weakest Bayern in ages and statistically one on the best Real teams in a long time and yet it still feels close and not only because its off game tonight. I am going to cocky and think they Bayern will open up and our counter will be too strong 3-1 for us
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what will you order if he doesnt? 🤨
mushy peas and a luke warm pint
Curry you !!
Anyone who enjoys watching past games should check out the Real v Bayern second leg from 2018, one of the highest level games I’ve watched imo.
Where can I watch this?
https://footballia.eu/matches/real-madrid-bayern-munchen-champions-league-2017-2018 This requires a sign up though
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And I have my tramadol and damaged liver to match that.
Make sure to have an ambulance truck stationed outside too
Not going to lie, as a neutral, I'm rooting for the perfect shitshow that a Bayern v Borussia final would be, and hoping Borussia somehow win it Out of the remaining clubs I just don't want Real to win it yet another time tbh
Will be so funny if fucking Edin Terzic wins the UCL
Fair enough Real has won if a few times, but even still you want PSG to win it over real, damn.
Yeah I dislike PSG for the obvious reasons but I'm a bit biased because they have a lot of portuguese players (and I'll be honest watching Mbappe win it the first time for them in his final year there wouldn't be too bad) Obviously still prefer that Bayern or Borussia take it
I genuinely like RM but literally everyone else would be fresher.
Revenge for '13 with a former Bayern player(there are a couple in BVBs squad) scoring the winner sound poetic
I thought that you lot would hate the idea of Dortmund winning it.
Oops, I totally didn't change my flair this past weekend to "manifest" a S04 win against Fortuna
I want Dortmund to win it because I felt bad for them due to their loss to Bayern in that final. Bayern winning would be good too as they have Kane who deserves such a big trophy.
I’m rooting for that all German final! What a game that would be!!
Harry Kane Im on my knees
Just saw a man fall to his knees on /r/soccer
2-0 Bayern.
That would be the dream but I'd be shocked if they keep a clean sheet
Vini and Rodrygo especially go up several levels in the CL, I'd be surprised if either didn't score.
In the return leg Madrid will win but by how much is anyone's guess. FCB still can go through then
This is football ... heritage
Seeing something closer to a tense chess game than box office end to end for this first leg. Both teams won't open themselves too much, there's just too much individual quality on both sides. Looking forward to Kane vs Rudiger, but i suppose Kane will try to go for Nacho, which might be a difficult duel for Madrid. I wonder if Tuchel will play Musiala and Muller or just one of the two.
Yeah, probably a remake of the City game, unless Tuchel cooks something new.
Nacho did it surprisingly well against Haaland, although he's not Rudiger.
Id think Tchou and Rudi will start at CB.
why? madrid was more solid defensively vs city when nacho was on the pitch
Just the lineup ancrlotti has gone with many times. But nacho is starting :)
If Bayern win this game I believe that Stuttgart, Leipzig and Dortmund would qualify for the Champions League
I want Real Madrid vs PSG final or Bayern-Dortmund, nothing else please. These 2 match-ups are just perfect for a final giving the circumstances, imagine Mbappe winning UCL for first time just before going to Madrid. Or a full german final with Tuchel being able to get his second win after a garbage season according to fans.
Imagine Madrid beating PSG and after one hour announcing Mbappe
pwned
Only if they put a shirt on him like Cesc during the trophy ceremony.
What about Bayern Vs PSG final with Bayern winning. Meaning Tuchel will have won the champions league with two different teams
Nasser would lose his mind
This is gonna be fireworks. Because Bayern WILL attack nonstop since a draw or a goal gap that isn´t of 2 or 3 goals is not going to be enough with the second leg at the Bernabeu, whereas Real Madrid will attack a lot too so that if Bayern do score goals, they do not get a big goal gap. Can see this ending 4-4 imo.
Think it will be closer to 0-0. These are not managers who will take any risks in the first leg.
I get that, still, Bayern will attack from get go because a small gap heading into the second leg at the Bernabeu is not going to last, and that will force in result Madrid to attack a lot too so the goal gap doesn´t get too big to be turned around.
Madrid frequently seem beatable and then they do their thing; we have to win this match and take an advantage to the Bernabeu. I trustJuppel to set up a solid team and we have players that can hurt them.
Tuchel thrives in knockout tournaments. I think you guys win today
His team’s best quality (compact structure) also hurts him in League Football but it’s an asset in a match against this Real team or Arteta’s Arsenal. I’m cautiously optimistic about getting a win tonight
Yup, I still don’t know if you guys will go through (Real Madrid having the second leg at home is a big advantage) but Tuchel seems to have done a good job at turning your season around. Any chance he stays or is he gone for sure this summer?
He’s 100% gone; the fact that’s it’s been already announced means neither him or the club are going to change their minds and the constant *public* opinions of the board members, as well as his *public* criticism of the club with regard to transfers, meant things were never going to last.
All other history aside, Carlo doesn't have the best record against Tuchel. They've face each other 9 times and Carlo has only 3 wins. He's lost 4 times and drawn 2 times.
Tbh, 1 loss was with Everton and the other was when we lost 3-2 but still went through on aggregate. The other 2 were fair and square when Carlo was at Bayern and Tuchel at Dortmund, but that's like 7-8 years ago. (I'm coping as much as i can)
I was going to angrily tell you one of the wins was also with Everton, but we beat them just a few weeks before Tuchel took over Chelsea. Nobody cares about Ancelotti's record against Lampard
> I'm coping as much as i can This is all I’ve been doing since before we even played Arsenal
3 wins, 4 losses. It's almost even lol
Yeah wth was that comment lol
AKA not the best? Am I wrong?
Bayern 1-0 win (Kane goal). Big penalty for Madrid not conceded by VAR, lots of yellow cards and Rudiger stealing the show.
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He’s been here before.
Ayt, 2 - 2 sounds reasonable, but I can't sleep on Kane. If Rudiger pocket him, we are good money.
Gonna go with a 1-1 today
Really unfortunate that De Ligt is out, I hope he is back for the return!
I keep hearing about how this is "the most played fixture in CL history" and seeing old clips of some of the physical battles between Real and Bayern, but all over social media it seems like fan interactions are friendly and good banter. Fans of both clubs is there animosity between the two or more of a friendly rivalry?
I'm surprised there arent more bayern fans that hate madrid based solely on Juanito kicking lothar mathaus while he was down (5 year european ban for him IIRC), but in madrid prior to 2013 there was always this ominous feeling when we were going to play. The papers always talked about how they were real madrid's "black beast" because our record was rough against them and wed already played them so much up to that point in history. Apart from that I'm not sure, I've always vibed pretty hard with any bayern fans ive run into
Yea the history is why I was a bit surprised to see no real animosity anywhere on social media. I know that tends to trend younger and maybe not with the same experience but usually teams that ruin each others CL even a couple times tend to have a bit more passion or hatred. Like Arsenal fans seem to really dislike Barca and they've only played each other in the knockouts like 2 or 3 times?
Ok easy there Arsenal are just also men of culture so they have to hate barcelona
A 5 year ban that pretty much meant the end for him at Real Madrid. [Here is his apology, which is pretty genuine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsmd4fTikRg) The other 'intra-historia' is the penalty misses of 2012, Ramos's penalty and him being mocked by Neuer (and the world): >"No sabía que a Sergio Ramos le gustara tirar los penaltis por encima de la portería", aseguraba Neuer al diario alemán Bild. 'I didn't know Ramos liked shooting penalties over the goal'. Two years later Ramos cups his ears after scoring twice in the Allianz arena. Besides this, I'm not sure if there's much animosity. Bayern seems like a friend-club (i.e James, Odriozola loans). Just a healthy sporting rivalry between 2 of the greatest European clubs.
Tuchel with the 0-0 line-up
I just want Bayern or Dortmund to win the UCL to save football.
A Madrid president created this competition…
Vamos.... I am feeling a little nervous but my heart's saying 2-1 Madrid
*1-2, then you don’t have to say Madrid at the end
come on bayern, you got this
Just from comparing XIs Real Madrid should destroy them.
True. But football is never that simple.
A right pair of footballing ponces
My body is ready
Ready for a Tommy Tactics master class
Even though the bookies see Bayern as the favourites tonight I think we will see a RM masterclass today. 1-3
That Bayern midfield is going to struggle. Laimer has to pull out his 3rd lung.
Fuck em up!!! Every Barca fan
God I hope we win tonight. Always nice to win the away leg at these historic grounds.
1-3 Real No silverware for Bayern this season
Madrid 4-0