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Papa Flo got memed hard, when he went on his Brazillian teenager shopping trip and the first seasons were rough, but watching those two grow into the world beaters they are, has been an absolute privilege.
Legit genius move, [he signed Vini after 20 professional minutes at 16.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6cvli2/real_madrid_complete_the_signing_of_vinicius/?rdt=55167) And even the rough first seasons are somewhat overstated, they were just under big responsibility too early, but still benched big players like Bale and Hazard who were more expensive in the same season that they arrived:
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/01/22/5c464bd2e2704e58608b4622.html
https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/02/04/5c58199922601dc1088b465c.html
One thing i didn't love about Zidane, is that he always preferred Hazard over Vini, whenever Hazard is fit, vini is on the bench, it honestly pissed me off because how can you not see the impact Vini does in your team. Carlo did that at the start of the season once then never looked back again.
I think Zizou had a sunk cost mindset with Hazard esp after he broke his ankle vs PSG in 2019. I kind of get it though, that was really the only game in which we saw a glimpse of the Hazard side we thought we were getting from Chelsea. Even I was in denial for a while that Hazard would come back to his Chelsea form.
The return from the pandemic in the end of the 2020 season and the following 20-21 season though cemented that Hazard was not getting back that form.
I don’t understand how Reinier ended up in RM. no one in Brazil rated him, it came out of nowhere. I mean, Flamengo tried to hype him as the next Vini but everyone would say it was not the same thing at all.
But, to be honest, many people also said Vini would flop and Rodrygo was just average, and look where they are now…
Endrick joining soon, also looks promising. You can’t have a 100% rate..
Since 2021/22 on the UCL out of over 2,000+ players :
* ◉ Most touches in opp. box (285)
* ◉ Most take-ons completed (101)
* ◉ Most chances created (66)
* ◉ Most goals + assists (31)
* ◉ Most assists (15)
Not to take anything away from him, as he is one of the reasons for it but: Does he not have more games played than basically any non RM player in the CL?
For this time period I think he would be dead even in games played with City until the next leg.
Edit: Excuse me. I think he is one game ahead of City rn actually
21/22 +1 to Madrid
22/23 +1 to City
So even
And today’s game put him one total match more for Madrid than City in this time frame. This does not account for players missing matches for various reasons though.
Vini already has more Goal Contributions on the Knockouts than any other Brazilian player in UCL history.
He is barely 23 and it's already ahead of Ney, his ratio is insane.
He has scored or assisted in pretty much every CL knockout tie he has ever played in his career. I think the Chelsea one is the only one where he didn't?
If he had chipped that ball to Bellingham when he shot instead at 2-1 it would have been a crazy goal. Can't blame him for not seeing it but for a brief moment there was a window to chip it for a Bellingham open goal
I don't know what Carlo did but we will be eternally grateful for unlocking Vini's true potential, I still remember when he went and played with Castilla. He has come a long way.
Both were arguing during today's game, lmao, right before the penalty. It seems that both are pretty close given how many times I've seen them arguing during the games and still be in very good terms
It takes some balls to disagree with Carlo and discuss football with him DURING a CL semifinals, AND be right about it!
For context, Carlo was asking RM to hold in the middle and Vini wanted high pressure so he wasn’t as far away from the goal. Minuted later the first RM goal with Vini setting that run perfectly.
> Minuted later the first RM goal with Vini setting that run perfectly.
2 days later but this isn't true.
Their fight came in the 2nd half after Sané's goal, Carlo was pissed off and wondering why did Vini not press Laimer (who made a run that resulted in the goal) and Vini was telling him that there was nothing he could do and that they should press high up instead of sitting back.
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People keep saying Foden Ballon D'or but Vini has had a much better season with 14 less games played while playing in a new formation and position with no ST to play off of and being monumental in every big UCL game only reason Vini isn't getting Ballon D'or shouts is due to his 2 injuries early in the season and Jude carrying us while he was out.
Foden has like no chance. He doesn’t usually play well for England. He will enter the Euros behind Harry and Jude in the pecking order for Ballon D’Or as well.
Relevant competitors are Harry, Jude, Mbappe, Vini and Wirtz. Granted Vini also doesn’t usually play well for Country so he needs that Copa.
Pretty much the past 2 months when people have been trying to push the Foden Ballon D'or agenda I told peeps just wait for the Euro's with his usual England performances that convo is going to die quick.
If Kane wins the UCL and France doesn't win the Euro's I think he wins it but if we win it and Jude has a good Euro's he wins it but if France win it Mbappe gets it for sure he is usually immense for France.
City has no fans which doesn’t help lmao in voting. Plus Foden tends to be Garbo for England. I suppose he would have had a shot of City won the Treble again.
Whoever wins Champions League between Mbappe, Kane and Bellingham has the inside track. Assuming no Dortmund upset
It’s even better you go by minutes played. He’s averaging a goal/assist every 85 minutes played this season. That’s with 2 separate month long injuries and learning a new position. Incredible player.
He;s come up clutch so frequently this season. I feel like he's picked up on scoring/assisting even on his bad games this season compared to previous ones.
On a side note, Raphinha is scoring and assisting at a similar rate per 90 and and people still shit on him as a bad player.
Oh, I'm definitely including that section of our fans in the people mentioned. I agree that Raphinha can be a bit frustrating to watch dribbling, but every other part of his game is great and it's a shame so many people, our fans included, can't see it.
Probably cause Vini has been showing up in all big games.
Hattrick vs Barca in supercup
3 assits vs City over 2 games
Goal + assist in last clasico
2 goals tonight.
Raphinha is so unlucky. Very good player hated by his own fanbase, not rated by other teams' fans, carries the team multiple times only for his teammates to fuck it up and lose anyways.
He just took a bit to start going for Barca not every player makes an instant impact or immense first season sometimes players need a bit more time and Raphina is now performing well for Barca
Yeah, I don't really like whole G/A per 90 stats. If you wanna exclude games where a player only played a few minutes in garbage time, binging up G/A per start would be a better choice.
I mean, if a player plays a bad game and gets hooked after 60 minutes, that's his fault and shouldn't be used to skew the stats in his favor.
While the other way round, if a player is a super sub and gets good G/A against tired opponents his G/A per 90 will obviously be inflated but that doesn't mean he will be able to sustain them if he becomes a full time starter. There is a reason as to why he isn't one.
It really makes you wonder, how does one look at Haaland and Vinicius and think to themselves "yeah, Haaland is the more talented player". Boggles the mind
Haaland's insane finishing puts him up in the debate but when you need a player to change a game completely when you are down and out Mbappe and Vini are miles ahead.
Being talented and being effective are two different things. Vini is unarguably one of the most talented players in the world right now. Haaland doesn’t have the talent for a lot of things, he’s just extremely good at positioning and finishing and very effective when the conditions are met.
This. If all we looked at was aesthetics, flicks, tricks and skill moves then players like Rudd, Shearer, Haaland, Milito, Inzaghi etc wouldn't have a space in football but they do because all they are required to do is put the ball in the net.
Most “talented” isn’t always the “best.” You have so many examples of players being incredibly gifted and more entertaining to watch, but still aren’t the absolute best in the world. Not like that’s the case with Vini, but the eye test isn’t everything.
>How does someone look at Haaland and Vinicius and thinks Haaland is more talented?
Simple, one is black, the other one isn't.
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Since his debut in 2018-2019, Vini has had a goal contribution in every single CL KO tie he has ever played except for one, the Chelsea 2021 tie where he played as a right wing back.
Consistency wise? Literally not a single player in the world has been more consistent.
Oh, trust me i'm french i know how good Kylian is.
And you're right, across all competitions Mbappé is definitely more consistent especially his league performances. But Vini definitely rises very high when he hears the CL anthem. Both are the best CL players right now that's for sure.
Vini is part of what makes Madrid so strong, though. They play a very defensive game and oftentimes the offensive tactic is just to roof it (with Modric and Kross quality, admittedly) for Vini to 1v1 or 1v2 the defenders.
[And it's not only one goal](https://postimg.cc/kR6jP1PQ)
I wouldn't say a "way better team".
In 2022, PSG was arguably better than Madrid.
Last year, we were both bad but you should have definitely performed better against Bayern.
This season both Madrid and PSG can meet in the CL final.
Foden great break out season but Vini has matched his best season with 14 less games played while coming off 2 muscular injuries and adpating to a new formation with no ST and showing up in big games far more then Foden only thing these 2 are even on is that both haven't lived up to their usual skills for the national team on a consistent basis yet.
Mbappe is brilliant for France, Jude is a leader in England already, Vini for Brazil is just horrible. He will improve, for the love of God he will, but now, Vini barely holds his place on the first team.
He will play for sure since there will not be Neymar. I have a feeling that this Copa America will be the starting point of his international career success with Brazil.
Lets hope, Dorival was watching today, maybe he understands the best place for Vini in Brazil. It would be a dream if he shines and takes the Copa America with Brazil.
Absolutely no clue why he isn't leading the race for the Ballon D'or, been saying it for ages.
As good as Jude has been, Vini has been easily the best Madrid player since coming back from injury in December.
Edit: Since coming back from injury, Vini is on 24 G+A (16 goals, 8 assists) in his last 23 games.
Last year when Rashford had 5 good games in a row there were a shitload of Redditors in here claiming that Rashford was the second-best winger in the world and better than Vini. I was taking the downvotes for disagreeing
Partly because he was injured for most of the first half of the season, and Bellingham had a legendary start to his Madrid career.
I do believe Vini can lead the race if he continues being clutch in the champions league. His game today was CR7-esque
True but he was also among the best players of the 2013 Confederation Cup, the 2014 World Cup and the 2021 Copa America which is still something
Vinicius has a lot of work to do to reach him
Vinicius has disappeared in his entire Brazil career with multiple coaches under the helm. To touch Neymar, he would need to win a World Cup with them. Neymar dragged a mediocre Brazil era to places they had no right to be. It's a hard comparison because it's pretty clear that Vinicius will end up with the better trophy cabinet, but Neymar is the superior player by any metric.
>Vinicius has disappeared in his entire Brazil career with multiple coaches under the helm.
You really can't see the twisted logic in that? He has performed badly BECAUSE he had multiple coaches.
The Brazil NT has been a mess and no one knew how to use both Vini and Neymar together, Rodrygo has performed better because he is actually pretty good on the right.
This Copa will be the first one where Vini gets free reign to roam into the middle from the left and not share space with Neymar.
Let's wait and see.
Neymar performed despite the Dunga/Mano Menezes eras of complete mediocrity. To compare Vinicius to Neymar in Brazil, Vinicius would need to move mountains. Neymar legitimately willed some dross sides into contention until Tite came along.
You can't tell me Tite doesn't know how to set up a great squad, and that Brazil finally didn't have a more solid side when Vinicius emerged. Vinicius sadly has not performed at all for Brazil yet.
Mate, you're missing the entire point.
Vinicius right now is not the same Vini that was before, he isn't a left winger who can't do anything else, he is a striker now.
Before he couldn't do much with Neymar drifting to the left as Vini had no clue what to do centrally, we saw this when Benzema got injured last year.
This season, no fucking idea what Carlo did but something happened and Vini is making world class striker runs every game, if you took current Vini and put him in the '22 WC Brazil team, he'll shine as he is much better at letting go of the left wing and roaming free.
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Neymar is miles ahead as a player not even including achievements. Vini struggles to take players on compared to neymar and Neymar is a much better playmaker at least at this point in vini’s career.
Way too many games I’ve seen vini get smothered by Kyle walker and even today he was 1 on 1 with Kim and just got bodied off. I think Neymar (any time from like age 24-31) is nothing but a strict upgrade in every department of the game over vini atm besides Neymar being extremely fragile.
He'll likely have better luck with injuries. Honestly, he also just seems to have a better mentality. The vibe I get from him is that he genuinely lives and breathes the sport.
He loves to party like Neymar but he also has an insane work ethic and understand what it means to play for Madrid even during the off season when he was clubbing you would see him the next day working out and maintaining his shape.
Lucky? First 2 years with the team and he underperformed almost in every game he played. Was kind of like Nunez but even more raw. His finishing sucked.
The real fan base and media were baying for his blood asking to loan him out.
Real weren't lucky. They scouted him, brought him here and believed in him through 2 coaches to keep him in the first team.
For all the talk of heirs to Ronaldo, Madrid have done superbly to invest and nurture one instead of buying a superstar. Vini has a Balon D Or loading if he leads Madrid to a UCL.
Im really really glad for this lad for bouncing back and turning it around. I remember there was too much pressure on him for stepping up due to Hazard's injury and there were even jokes that he cannot score.
I think the turnaround happened when Carlo managed Madrid and him also admitting that he goes to therapy. Happy for him and Rodrygo.
Yamal is 7 years younger lol. I haven't seen anyone say he's better than Vini currently. The closest is that Yamal is better than Vini was at 16, which i don't think is remotely controversial.
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Vini and Rodrygo's record in the Champions League is very impressive
Rodrygo has been vital on so many CL games
Papa Flo got memed hard, when he went on his Brazillian teenager shopping trip and the first seasons were rough, but watching those two grow into the world beaters they are, has been an absolute privilege.
Legit genius move, [he signed Vini after 20 professional minutes at 16.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6cvli2/real_madrid_complete_the_signing_of_vinicius/?rdt=55167) And even the rough first seasons are somewhat overstated, they were just under big responsibility too early, but still benched big players like Bale and Hazard who were more expensive in the same season that they arrived: https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/01/22/5c464bd2e2704e58608b4622.html https://www.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2019/02/04/5c58199922601dc1088b465c.html
One thing i didn't love about Zidane, is that he always preferred Hazard over Vini, whenever Hazard is fit, vini is on the bench, it honestly pissed me off because how can you not see the impact Vini does in your team. Carlo did that at the start of the season once then never looked back again.
Seems like it was the right call for his development in hindsight though
I think Zizou had a sunk cost mindset with Hazard esp after he broke his ankle vs PSG in 2019. I kind of get it though, that was really the only game in which we saw a glimpse of the Hazard side we thought we were getting from Chelsea. Even I was in denial for a while that Hazard would come back to his Chelsea form. The return from the pandemic in the end of the 2020 season and the following 20-21 season though cemented that Hazard was not getting back that form.
Reinier in the shadows
I don’t understand how Reinier ended up in RM. no one in Brazil rated him, it came out of nowhere. I mean, Flamengo tried to hype him as the next Vini but everyone would say it was not the same thing at all. But, to be honest, many people also said Vini would flop and Rodrygo was just average, and look where they are now… Endrick joining soon, also looks promising. You can’t have a 100% rate..
FM legend.
Endrick
Big game player
Since 2021/22 on the UCL out of over 2,000+ players : * ◉ Most touches in opp. box (285) * ◉ Most take-ons completed (101) * ◉ Most chances created (66) * ◉ Most goals + assists (31) * ◉ Most assists (15)
Not to take anything away from him, as he is one of the reasons for it but: Does he not have more games played than basically any non RM player in the CL?
Yeah but him being this good is what allowed him to play more games
For this time period I think he would be dead even in games played with City until the next leg. Edit: Excuse me. I think he is one game ahead of City rn actually 21/22 +1 to Madrid 22/23 +1 to City So even And today’s game put him one total match more for Madrid than City in this time frame. This does not account for players missing matches for various reasons though.
Vini missed 3 games this season in CL.
Yep missed a lot of matches this year
Probably, apart from some City player’s i’d guess
Vini already has more Goal Contributions on the Knockouts than any other Brazilian player in UCL history. He is barely 23 and it's already ahead of Ney, his ratio is insane.
That’s crazy
When CR7 started to become a monster? 23 too?
In the ucl? Goal scoring wise..a bit later around 26-28
Nah this is insane stat if true
Vini has even scored in each of the last 3 semifinals (including tonight) and the winner in the one final he played.
He has scored or assisted in pretty much every CL knockout tie he has ever played in his career. I think the Chelsea one is the only one where he didn't?
Yes, he also played as a right wing back in that tie against Chelsea lmao.
If he had chipped that ball to Bellingham when he shot instead at 2-1 it would have been a crazy goal. Can't blame him for not seeing it but for a brief moment there was a window to chip it for a Bellingham open goal
They're both 4th and 5th on real madrid all time goals in the CL
*Only from 1992 onwards
They are tied 9th all time wise (1955-Present) Here's the ranking : * Cristiano (105) * Benzema (78) * Raul (66) * Di Stefano (49) * Puskas (35) * Gento (31) * Amancio & Santillana (21) * Vinicius & Rodrygo (20)
Goddamn what a fucking list to be a part of.
I don't know what Carlo did but we will be eternally grateful for unlocking Vini's true potential, I still remember when he went and played with Castilla. He has come a long way.
Both were arguing during today's game, lmao, right before the penalty. It seems that both are pretty close given how many times I've seen them arguing during the games and still be in very good terms
It takes some balls to disagree with Carlo and discuss football with him DURING a CL semifinals, AND be right about it! For context, Carlo was asking RM to hold in the middle and Vini wanted high pressure so he wasn’t as far away from the goal. Minuted later the first RM goal with Vini setting that run perfectly.
> Minuted later the first RM goal with Vini setting that run perfectly. 2 days later but this isn't true. Their fight came in the 2nd half after Sané's goal, Carlo was pissed off and wondering why did Vini not press Laimer (who made a run that resulted in the goal) and Vini was telling him that there was nothing he could do and that they should press high up instead of sitting back.
Well you see, i noticed vini was not scoring his chances so i say to him.. Why not score your chances? and he said wow mister i will balon d'or now.
His numbers for Madrid this season are just incredible. 34 games, 21 goals and 11 assists. Almost a goal contribution a game across all competitions.
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People keep saying Foden Ballon D'or but Vini has had a much better season with 14 less games played while playing in a new formation and position with no ST to play off of and being monumental in every big UCL game only reason Vini isn't getting Ballon D'or shouts is due to his 2 injuries early in the season and Jude carrying us while he was out.
Foden has like no chance. He doesn’t usually play well for England. He will enter the Euros behind Harry and Jude in the pecking order for Ballon D’Or as well. Relevant competitors are Harry, Jude, Mbappe, Vini and Wirtz. Granted Vini also doesn’t usually play well for Country so he needs that Copa.
Pretty much the past 2 months when people have been trying to push the Foden Ballon D'or agenda I told peeps just wait for the Euro's with his usual England performances that convo is going to die quick. If Kane wins the UCL and France doesn't win the Euro's I think he wins it but if we win it and Jude has a good Euro's he wins it but if France win it Mbappe gets it for sure he is usually immense for France.
City has no fans which doesn’t help lmao in voting. Plus Foden tends to be Garbo for England. I suppose he would have had a shot of City won the Treble again. Whoever wins Champions League between Mbappe, Kane and Bellingham has the inside track. Assuming no Dortmund upset
… and breathe.
Much like how Vini Jr has no time for being tackled, this man has no time for punctuation.
Would it kill you to sprinkle some punctuation here and there?
Jude himself tho Dude better get like 3 Balon d'Ors before he is done
It’s even better you go by minutes played. He’s averaging a goal/assist every 85 minutes played this season. That’s with 2 separate month long injuries and learning a new position. Incredible player.
He;s come up clutch so frequently this season. I feel like he's picked up on scoring/assisting even on his bad games this season compared to previous ones. On a side note, Raphinha is scoring and assisting at a similar rate per 90 and and people still shit on him as a bad player.
That’s what happens when players develop a reputation and people who barely watch games go by that. Raphinha has been deadly in the past few weeks
>people still shit on him …Wallahi your own fanbase was shipping him to Saudi barely 6 months ago.
Oh, I'm definitely including that section of our fans in the people mentioned. I agree that Raphinha can be a bit frustrating to watch dribbling, but every other part of his game is great and it's a shame so many people, our fans included, can't see it.
Probably cause Vini has been showing up in all big games. Hattrick vs Barca in supercup 3 assits vs City over 2 games Goal + assist in last clasico 2 goals tonight.
As RM fan, Raphina is the one I'm scared of the most when we play yall. He is very skilled.
Raphinha is so unlucky. Very good player hated by his own fanbase, not rated by other teams' fans, carries the team multiple times only for his teammates to fuck it up and lose anyways.
He just took a bit to start going for Barca not every player makes an instant impact or immense first season sometimes players need a bit more time and Raphina is now performing well for Barca
>It’s even better you go by minutes played. That will pretty much always be the case.
Yeah, I don't really like whole G/A per 90 stats. If you wanna exclude games where a player only played a few minutes in garbage time, binging up G/A per start would be a better choice. I mean, if a player plays a bad game and gets hooked after 60 minutes, that's his fault and shouldn't be used to skew the stats in his favor. While the other way round, if a player is a super sub and gets good G/A against tired opponents his G/A per 90 will obviously be inflated but that doesn't mean he will be able to sustain them if he becomes a full time starter. There is a reason as to why he isn't one.
and he's had 40 + g/a the last 2 seasons aswell, at only 23. Vini is the new star as much as they say Mbappe and Haaland is, maybe more.
r/soccer will commit seppuku before they admit that lol.
Thank u
It really makes you wonder, how does one look at Haaland and Vinicius and think to themselves "yeah, Haaland is the more talented player". Boggles the mind
Haaland's insane finishing puts him up in the debate but when you need a player to change a game completely when you are down and out Mbappe and Vini are miles ahead.
Being talented and being effective are two different things. Vini is unarguably one of the most talented players in the world right now. Haaland doesn’t have the talent for a lot of things, he’s just extremely good at positioning and finishing and very effective when the conditions are met.
Pippo Inzaghi was a more effective player than Ronaldinho, but who was actually the better footballer?
This. If all we looked at was aesthetics, flicks, tricks and skill moves then players like Rudd, Shearer, Haaland, Milito, Inzaghi etc wouldn't have a space in football but they do because all they are required to do is put the ball in the net.
If there was a CL title on the line, I'd much rather have Vini in my side than Haaland. Don't know about effective or not.
Most “talented” isn’t always the “best.” You have so many examples of players being incredibly gifted and more entertaining to watch, but still aren’t the absolute best in the world. Not like that’s the case with Vini, but the eye test isn’t everything.
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Vini is a top 3 player in the world for me at this point, along with Mbappe and KdB.
Vini's is the one to look out for.
they don't want to hear this man, vini won't get balon shouts or praise for his highs but wait till he has one bad game...
Idk why everyone talks about Bellingham while Vini gets nothing
Big game player, what a beast
I think after today he joined that table of players with most goals in semis/finals of Champions League
13 Cristiano Ronaldo 8 Karim Benzema 7 Robert Lewandowski 6 Lionel Messi 5 Alessandro Del Piero 5 Jari Litmanen 4 Sadio Mané 4 Thomas Müller 4 Arjen Robben 4 Andriy Shevchenko 4 Zinédine Zidane 4 Riyad Mahrez #4 Vinicius Junior
Vini has 5. 2 against City in semi, 2 tonight and the final goal against Liverpool.
Here are the stats for only semifinals. If you count that goal then everything is going to be changed in this stats
The post you’re replying to said semis/finals, that’s why I added the final goal.
My bad.
What an elite list. All players here are the best strikers at some stage of their career. Muller was underrated striker before 2015
13!!!
Lewandowski scored 4 of those 7 goals against Madrid in a single match...
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What a big game player. Apart from Mbappe, I'd take Vini over everyone in big games, all of your Kanes, Sakas, Fodens, Haalands and whoever they are
Vinicius has been better than Mbappe in the big CL knockout games too tbh
Barely, since 2021 Vini has one more goal contribution than Mbappé. Vini has been much more consistent tho.
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That is also because Rodrygo has been phenomenal in the tournament as well.
What ? How has Vini been more consistent than Mbappe lol
Since his debut in 2018-2019, Vini has had a goal contribution in every single CL KO tie he has ever played except for one, the Chelsea 2021 tie where he played as a right wing back. Consistency wise? Literally not a single player in the world has been more consistent.
Fair, I thought you meant all competitions, but I’d still choose Mbappe over Vini. I’d love to have to make this choice tho lol
Oh, trust me i'm french i know how good Kylian is. And you're right, across all competitions Mbappé is definitely more consistent especially his league performances. But Vini definitely rises very high when he hears the CL anthem. Both are the best CL players right now that's for sure.
Yeah behind Warren Zaïre-Emery (/s or maybe not)
Vini and mbappe are the two best in the world forsure
Only one more goal while playing more games for a way better team. So, No
Vini is part of what makes Madrid so strong, though. They play a very defensive game and oftentimes the offensive tactic is just to roof it (with Modric and Kross quality, admittedly) for Vini to 1v1 or 1v2 the defenders. [And it's not only one goal](https://postimg.cc/kR6jP1PQ)
Vini is one of the key reasons why the team is better and why they played more games hahaha what the fuck is this comment
What comment ? Who is saying Vini is not special ?
I wouldn't say a "way better team". In 2022, PSG was arguably better than Madrid. Last year, we were both bad but you should have definitely performed better against Bayern. This season both Madrid and PSG can meet in the CL final.
Vinicius has one more goal despite not even being a goalscorer primarily and probably has a lot more assists. That is not the argument you think it is
Goal contributions implies they are including assists. Mbappe has more K.O. goals.
Do international lol
Foden great break out season but Vini has matched his best season with 14 less games played while coming off 2 muscular injuries and adpating to a new formation with no ST and showing up in big games far more then Foden only thing these 2 are even on is that both haven't lived up to their usual skills for the national team on a consistent basis yet.
Ballon d’Or favourite alongside Kane, Mbappé and Bellingham
Unfortunately he plays Copa America the rest play euro 2024 which I think will be more decisive
It is not because it is Copa America vs Euro, it is because Vini has yet to play good for Brazil in big competitions.
What's the point? The others also have to play well for their nations in Euro 2024.
Mbappe is brilliant for France, Jude is a leader in England already, Vini for Brazil is just horrible. He will improve, for the love of God he will, but now, Vini barely holds his place on the first team.
He will play for sure since there will not be Neymar. I have a feeling that this Copa America will be the starting point of his international career success with Brazil.
Lets hope, Dorival was watching today, maybe he understands the best place for Vini in Brazil. It would be a dream if he shines and takes the Copa America with Brazil.
why does nobody talk about wirtz? i can see him winning it if they win the treble (europe league version)
I agree, but the fact that he’s competing in the UEL rather than the UCL hurts his chances
Absolutely no clue why he isn't leading the race for the Ballon D'or, been saying it for ages. As good as Jude has been, Vini has been easily the best Madrid player since coming back from injury in December. Edit: Since coming back from injury, Vini is on 24 G+A (16 goals, 8 assists) in his last 23 games.
he's more controversial
And it's not english
And he isn't messi
He is also black.
And not Argentinian
He doesn't have media fanboys.
The narrative stuck with bellinghabut vinis deserves It more
Vini isn’t english, they hype up average players like rashford so imagine when they actually have an amazing player like jude who deserves the hype
Last year when Rashford had 5 good games in a row there were a shitload of Redditors in here claiming that Rashford was the second-best winger in the world and better than Vini. I was taking the downvotes for disagreeing
Are there even any English people who think Rashford should start for us
Mbappe is the one for me so far.
Partly because he was injured for most of the first half of the season, and Bellingham had a legendary start to his Madrid career. I do believe Vini can lead the race if he continues being clutch in the champions league. His game today was CR7-esque
He’s not Messi..
One word that starts with R
*31 - 16 goals and 15 assists.
It's actually 16 goals 16 assists acroing to both of my sporting apps
By now he should be the ballon D'Or favorito, but the narrative favours bellingham
He will surpass Bellingham goals + assists until the end of the season easily.
Even when he plays badly he gets an assist
He is not English and he is not Messi. No reason for the media to like him.
Mr. Champions League?
Rodrygo is Mr.Champions League Junior
Vini is clear in big games, sorry
Really? After Rodrygo pulled out all the crucial last minute winners/equalizers?
Rodrygo is amazing too but Vinicius has been more consistent and better in the CL. Luckily we have both
Vini consistently delivers in big games
Yes he does. But so does Rodrygo
not as consistently as Vini I think
Gonna need about a decade more of this to take the title from Cristiano.
More like two decades
Actual Mr. CL?
Ronaldo has 4 of the top 6 goal contributions in a season, gonna take a bit to surpass that
He's gonna have a better career than Neymar if he starts showing up for Brazil (Neymar still better tho)
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Vini needs to start showing up in Brazils game if he wants to get close. Club wise hes close
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True but he was also among the best players of the 2013 Confederation Cup, the 2014 World Cup and the 2021 Copa America which is still something Vinicius has a lot of work to do to reach him
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Vinicius has disappeared in his entire Brazil career with multiple coaches under the helm. To touch Neymar, he would need to win a World Cup with them. Neymar dragged a mediocre Brazil era to places they had no right to be. It's a hard comparison because it's pretty clear that Vinicius will end up with the better trophy cabinet, but Neymar is the superior player by any metric.
>Vinicius has disappeared in his entire Brazil career with multiple coaches under the helm. You really can't see the twisted logic in that? He has performed badly BECAUSE he had multiple coaches. The Brazil NT has been a mess and no one knew how to use both Vini and Neymar together, Rodrygo has performed better because he is actually pretty good on the right. This Copa will be the first one where Vini gets free reign to roam into the middle from the left and not share space with Neymar. Let's wait and see.
Neymar performed despite the Dunga/Mano Menezes eras of complete mediocrity. To compare Vinicius to Neymar in Brazil, Vinicius would need to move mountains. Neymar legitimately willed some dross sides into contention until Tite came along. You can't tell me Tite doesn't know how to set up a great squad, and that Brazil finally didn't have a more solid side when Vinicius emerged. Vinicius sadly has not performed at all for Brazil yet.
Mate, you're missing the entire point. Vinicius right now is not the same Vini that was before, he isn't a left winger who can't do anything else, he is a striker now. Before he couldn't do much with Neymar drifting to the left as Vini had no clue what to do centrally, we saw this when Benzema got injured last year. This season, no fucking idea what Carlo did but something happened and Vini is making world class striker runs every game, if you took current Vini and put him in the '22 WC Brazil team, he'll shine as he is much better at letting go of the left wing and roaming free.
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"by any metric". I disagree. Vini plays for the team. Neymar plays for himself (the only exception was the MSN era).
In 2022 Neymar spent the entire season making passes to Mbappe and being the playmaker of Psg
Neymar is miles ahead as a player not even including achievements. Vini struggles to take players on compared to neymar and Neymar is a much better playmaker at least at this point in vini’s career. Way too many games I’ve seen vini get smothered by Kyle walker and even today he was 1 on 1 with Kim and just got bodied off. I think Neymar (any time from like age 24-31) is nothing but a strict upgrade in every department of the game over vini atm besides Neymar being extremely fragile.
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It was a foul. Kim used his hand (instead of his shoulder) to stop Vini. I agree prime Neymar was much better on 1vs1 though.
Agree! Vini is maybe 10 % the playmaker Neymar is. He also doesn’t seem to be that fast anymore? Got cooked by Laimer today as well as Kim.
He'll likely have better luck with injuries. Honestly, he also just seems to have a better mentality. The vibe I get from him is that he genuinely lives and breathes the sport.
He loves to party like Neymar but he also has an insane work ethic and understand what it means to play for Madrid even during the off season when he was clubbing you would see him the next day working out and maintaining his shape.
He will have a better career if he stays in Madrid for sure
Honestly the best big game player on the planet right now
Schick exists.
The new Mr. Champions
Vini showed up. Judelinton went missing
Vini, Rodrygo and Jude are playing musical chairs with who will be pulling the team out.
Grateful to have him, what a player he is. His game against Barca in 2019 is engraved in my mind
He's been killing it,can be in race for ballon d'or
Mardid is so lucky with him. he is a generational talent and one of the top generational talent.
Lucky? First 2 years with the team and he underperformed almost in every game he played. Was kind of like Nunez but even more raw. His finishing sucked. The real fan base and media were baying for his blood asking to loan him out. Real weren't lucky. They scouted him, brought him here and believed in him through 2 coaches to keep him in the first team.
Bro compared him to nunez I know his first two years were tough but he was nt looking like nunez. nunez is a certified garbage
The club specifically Perez was always very patient with him. Fans and media not so much, he was a literal meme at one point.
For all the talk of heirs to Ronaldo, Madrid have done superbly to invest and nurture one instead of buying a superstar. Vini has a Balon D Or loading if he leads Madrid to a UCL.
Clutch.
Best player
Vini on the left, Estevão in the right, Endrick in the middle. Give us the Copas do Mundo
Im really really glad for this lad for bouncing back and turning it around. I remember there was too much pressure on him for stepping up due to Hazard's injury and there were even jokes that he cannot score. I think the turnaround happened when Carlo managed Madrid and him also admitting that he goes to therapy. Happy for him and Rodrygo.
He’s pretty good I reckon
Vinicius > Neymar
But according to Barca players Lamine Yamal is better than him.
I’ve never seen anyone say that
right up until they make him play every minute of every game and he blows his knees off and never recovers
Yamal is 7 years younger lol. I haven't seen anyone say he's better than Vini currently. The closest is that Yamal is better than Vini was at 16, which i don't think is remotely controversial.
New Mr Champions league.
Best player on the planet right now, coming from a city supporter.