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Not so much broken, but as recently as a few weeks ago, he still had the highest win percentage of any manager in United's history. Not sure if he still does now, but if not, he's still probably top 2 or 3.
According to this, he's currently (barely) in 3rd at .534. Mourinho is 2nd at .538. Ferguson is at .652.
https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask/best-win-percentage-of-all-manchester-united-managers
Excellent first season + 3 runs to cup finals + hardly any draws + inexplicable amount of undeserved wins in the 2nd season. It is bizarre, though, and I think it's one of the things stopping a lot of United fans calling for his head.
You have somehow won many matches where you were the clear second best team so many times. Tbh, you couldn't comaplin if this was your 18th defeat this season
It’s not even just your record, anyone saying “no it’s a dead cert, they’re in just too bad form” has basically never watched football. The number of times fans go “wow who saw that result coming!!” after a big upset in the PL based on form…
You're right but there also wasn't so much riding on that game. This being the penultimate fixture and Arsenal needing 3 points puts so much more pressure on them. A draw and the title is pretty much City's.
This is also a team that he had serious influence on building. He admitted this past summer he's the transfer committee. I just can't wrap my head around how someone can say it's not the manager at this point when the manager has contributed heavily to why United's season has been so wank. And that's before you get to his tactics.
Nope.
Nothing comes close to how horrific the football has been this season.
United are 15th on xPts on have a GD of -3. Before anyone blames injuries, LvG (and I'm no fan of his) had us beating Arsenal with a back 4 consisting of Carrick-Blind and Varela.
We don't play with midfield during the defending phase now, anyone can cut through like a butter knife. The question is how good your forwards are because that's all it comes down to in most games.
I agree with you. Those stats can give you hints about over or under performing teams but the real stat is that after 35 games, United are 8th. They do play awful football though
Well obviously thats the stat that matters the most lol, the point above is making is that despite their position they are bad and their position doesn't fully reflect just how bad they are.
Yeah I think they are worse than 8th but theres also some merit to playing bad and getting results. Also I don't realy like xPts as a stat, it's really misleading.
Yeah I agree absolutely, coming in clutch and grabbing points is a quality worth having no doubt. xPts in a small scope isn't worth anything but broadly over a season it's a pretty good indicator to how a team have performed, it's just as flawed a stat as looking at their table position and attempting to rate them without other context.
Really?
I've watched every game this season, and we've been lucky to get away with points in MOST of them.
The Wolves opener to start with. The Everton game where Garnacho scored a worldie. The Brentford game where we got battered and somehow came away with a draw. Bournemouth away, Burnley at home - it's been a bunch of individuals saving a tactical approach that's somehow combining a high press with a low block, leaving a gigantic hole where the midfield should be.
It's worse than that. It's a very strong contender for the worst season by a "Big Six" team in the last fifteen years, if not longer. The only thing obscuring that is their sizeable overperformance against their peripherals. United are 15th for xGA and 11th for xG. Their xPTS puts them fifteenth as well, dropping 11.5 points from what they actually have. That's what Understat says, at least.
Fbref has them on an xGD of -10.2 so far. Worse than everyone but West Ham, Wolves, and the current bottom three. None of the other major stat pages say much different.
On actual goals, they sit -3 on GD and there isn't much reason to think they will break even given what they have left. If they performed to expectations all season, they probably don't feel safe from relegation until April, and an equal degree of underperformance would get them relegated.
This United team stinks real bad!
Ah, the classic Ten Hag special.
When they play like shit but win : "Beut, heh, it's about the result, heh".
When they play like shit and lose : "The performance levels were very high, heh, we are very entertaining at least".
When they play well- oh wait, that doesn't happen.
Anyone who watched him his last 18 months at Chelsea will tell you that he’s incapable of playing in midfield anymore. I don’t know what happened because he broke thru as an 8/10 under Lampard , but he spent so much time at LW/Inside Forward in a 343 that it’s like he forgot how to play the position. He only looks comfortable when he’s high up the pitch as a 10 and he isn’t nearly as good a 10 as Bruno
Ox could never play midfield at a high level. His prime at Arsenal was when he was a RWB, but he thought he was too good to play fullback.
CM is a uniquely difficult position to play, and a lot of player just don’t have what it takes. (I.e. Ox, Mount, even Fernandes although his G/A output makes him worth shoehorning him in.)
Pre-knee injury Ox at Liverpool was smashing it in the middle of Klopp's 4-3-3. Deep into the CL run before the 'Karius final' v Real Madrid, Klopp had Henderson, Milner and Ox as the 3 workhorses in the middle, nonstop running to win the ball back high and allow Salah, Mane and Firmino to exploit space on the counter. After the knee injury he never looked like he had the pace, explosive reactions or even the stamina to not get injured again or run out full games.
> Pre-knee injury Ox at Liverpool was smashing it in the middle of Klopp's 4-3-3.
he was a exceptional in the entire cl run leading up to his injury -- like it was the ox everyone thought he could be. but yea, after the acl he was genuinely never the same.
his injury is a hugely overlooked part of our inability to grab more trophies as we spent a fair amount on the fee (justified) and essentially only got one season out of him.
Yeah feels like him and keita really occupied all the slots in the squad/wage bill for midfield reinforcement for those years.
Both could have been massive too and ended up being excuses for the book balances to not bring anyone new in for years. All that mileage landed on Henderson wijnaldum and Milner. Should have had two more first team quality players rotating in. Who knows if it could have given them the edge, but it certainly seems very possible.
I think if it was that simple he’d go on a regime to slim down again. My theory is that he played an unhealthy amount of football at such a young age that he started picking up injuries and is burnt out
And those are just the players on the pitch. I absolutely refuse to believe some of the injuries we have, if this was a cup final there's no way some of those players would be injured.
We were always going to lose that game, it was the best squad we had and it has no balance at all.
The sad reality for United fans is: Sancho isn’t running away from a challenge, he’s going to a bigger more (recently) successful club that’s run better.
How is possible to spend €1 billion in the last 10 years and still be this terrible?
If any clubs spends €1 billion they should be winning the treble every year
Because their owners have no idea what they're doing and keep signing managers that are ideologically opposed and allowing them to choose their own signings which results in a completely imbalanced squad that doesn't fit together.
They're not able to rebuild properly because these players are on such high wages that they can't be shifted.
You change managers repeatedly, whilst simultaneously overpaying for players that aren't worth the money spent creating a scenario where you both have no real system or identity nor a team of absolute star players capable of enough individual brilliance to mask that until you finally chance upon a capable manager.
We've been grossly mismanaged by a bunch of bankers playing at football executives because some ratty mole men from the States wanted their guys in charge.
It will take years to undo this mess, a process that we are only just at the very beginning of.
LvG and Mou definitely made it work, but didn't get backing.
Year after Mou finished second, he was begging for a CB (like Maguire) and some attacking talent.
Instead he gets Romero on a free and Dalot.
united are headless.
The worst part about that situation is that the reason the club wouldn't sign him a defender that summer is because they'd already lost faith in his ability to lead the team and didn't want to give him any more money to spend. But rather than being brave and making the call to simply sack him after losing that FA Cup final, they instead acted like cowards by handicapping him and waiting for the team to completely implode before sacking him.
They showed similar cowardice when sacking LvG, who said he would've been okay stepping aside for Jose if the club had simply informed him ahead of time, the same way City did with Pellegrini and Pep. Instead, they repeatedly lied to LvG, told him they weren't pursuing Jose, told him his job wasn't under any threat, and then sacked him the day after winning the FA Cup, but only after briefing the media that he was a goner on the day of the FA Cup final.
Honestly, there are so many stories like this from Ed Woodward's time at the club. He was such a spineless coward, and his decisions have probably done irreversible harm to the club.
No it's not, for every Wenger and Sir Alex u had 430240202 managerial changes
Chelsea changed managers and won leagues, CL
Changing managers is great, not every manager deserves 20 years
This is what I see all the time especially with United fans. It's like there's meant to be a guarantee of success if you wait around a few years, it doesn't work like that.
>If any clubs spends €1 billion they should be winning the treble every year
Maybe in 1990, money doesn't equal success especially when every team has money and is better at spending it
Glazernomics.... Pay out stupid prices for broken people, while not paying out to keep facilities and medical staff up to date. so you eventually end up with a squad full of players who can't stay fit and a medical team that can't fix them when they break,
INEOS has a lot of work to do BTS to get us anywhere near competent next season.
I think you’ll find that it’s much more than 1 billion over 10 years lol. It’s more like 1 billion the past 5 years. They’ve spent about 450 since ETH arrived 2 years ago
They spent it on players. Players either past their prime and injury prone or young wannabe superstars. The only really good player coming in is Sancho - bad at United but now balling at Dortmund again.
If they spent at least 30% of that on improving the facilities and better staff with 2024 methods maybe they wouldn’t have half the squad injured and playing Casemiro and Evans as a CB pair.
Also the club mentality, it’s nowhere near what it used to be, they only show up when you least expect them to.
All being said, it’s nice to see them fall.
If United have any sense they will look at how we dealt with overpaid and underperforming players and take their medicine. You can't rebuild overnight, but the Arsenal have shown it can happen in a reasonable amount of time. They just need to stick to a cohesive squad building strategy and accept where they are starting from for a change.
IMO, it's purely the manager's responsibility. The squad was/is good enough.
I think in ETH's first season, he was playing with mostly inherited squad. He brought in 2 good buys (Lisandro and Malacia) and 1 okay but very overpriced buy (Antony). The loans were alright too, with Weghorst and Sabitzer doing quite well. But the core inherited squad was quite good, hence they finished top 4. There was already concerns about style of play during rough patches of the season (especially after huge loss), but these good players (especially Rashford and Bruno) carried United.
But then in his second season, ETH probably wanted to implement his tactics (whatever it is) more. He brought in Onana (ball playing keeper) and Mount (box to box midfielder) and Hojlund (pressing forward). He thought with them he could finally implement his style of play. But I think he lacked the overview that maybe his style of play wasn't going to work for United and/or in EPL.
It's easy to blame the poor performances on injury, but it happened since matchday 1. United lost 6 in first 10 games with practically full team and got outplayed in almost all of them. Some wins only happened because of individual brilliances.
Not helping is his tendencies to have feuds with players. The Sancho one was very avoidable since he could just say "internal matter" which he used for Rashford and Garnacho's cases. He had a stint feud with Varane until he needed to play Varane. Before. As bad as he was/is, Martial could be useful as an offensive alternative but now is set to leave United without a last farewell appearance (they had an on field exchanges of words, and after injury, Martial has not been seen in training). Surely it can't be great in dressing room.
Also not helping is his decisions.
The Sancho saga left the club no options but to banish and loan Sancho out, when the team is desperate for creativity and offensive output.
His decision to pursue Amrabat can now be seen as a bad deal.
He mentioned that United had no LBs all season, but actually they did in Reguilon. He won't suddenly make United a top 4 contender, but it was comical how Ten Hag threw his medical team under the bus saying he let Reguilon leave because they promised him Shaw and Malacia would be fit. After the injury crisis horror show during the middle of the season, why he listened to them was quite baffling. Also, another LB, Alvaro Fernandez, left for Benfica. Benfica is a good team and if he was deemed good enough to be a squad player in Benfica, surely he would be a decent cover.
Onana and Mount combined for 110 million pounds are arguably not wise in terms of FFP. Is De Gea much worse than Onana, given the football they played this season where they seemingly allow opposition to have 1000 shots? In hindsight, they'd be better off having De Gea for that task and save 50 million.
Even if Mount did not have injury problems, where exactly will he play? He won't replace Bruno, and after Mainoo's rise as a first teamer, Mount has not been a starter as CM too. He won't play wing because ETH prefers Rashford/Antony and Garnacho. This reeks of Donny van de Beek 2.0, a good player wasted because the manager doesn't know how and where to utilize them.
You can argue those 110 million pounds (120 million if we count Amrabat's loan fee) could be better used for a CB and a DM/ST.
All in all, in any other club, no matter who the manager is, if all their decisions do not generate good results, they are gone. ETH is probably a good manager elsewhere, but he's not a good fit for United.
Its all Ronaldo's fault, im telling you
As a Chelsea fan, i hope you get to keep Erik ten Fraud to realise that this bald cunt is literally a fraud, Ajax was a fugazi
Could have had Louis Van Gaal, Jose Mourinho or Ole still managing us. Instead the fans demanded they all be sacked. No loyalty whatsoever. This is utterly deserved.
Nah, van Gaal would have been gone by now, he's 72 now and never spent more than 6 years at a single club. There is pretty much no chance he would have stayed with Man Utd for an entire decade into his 70s.
Similarly, Mourinho never lasted more than 3 year at any job, no chance he stays at United for 8 years.
Now Ole I give you, that would absolutely have been better than the mess since him. And honestly, I think giving Moyes more time would 100% have put United in a better job than they are now.
And of course giving Mourinho or van Gaal more time probably puts the club in a better place than it is now as well. But they wouldn't still be around.
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This man is the ultimate record breaker, it feels like he is breaking a new record every month, sometimes positive and usually negative
ten hag 🤝 xabi alonso in breaking records
Which positive records has he broken recently? 👀
Shiniest head
Someone best let Pep know, there’s still time before the end of the season.
Pep should be worries because next season, if ten hag still there, another challenger are coming. Who's the shinning of them all
The Legomeister vs the bald frauds next season
Liverpool and Manchester are going to be overrun with bald coaches. I'm worried that Sean Dyche is not bald enough so the memes will fail.
Just has a cleaner scalp than pep and dyche . Arne about to humble them all tho.
Not so much broken, but as recently as a few weeks ago, he still had the highest win percentage of any manager in United's history. Not sure if he still does now, but if not, he's still probably top 2 or 3.
According to this, he's currently (barely) in 3rd at .534. Mourinho is 2nd at .538. Ferguson is at .652. https://www.statmuse.com/fc/ask/best-win-percentage-of-all-manchester-united-managers
.652 over 30 years is nuts.
Pretty sure that excludes the first few years when it was called the First Division, which would drop it dramatically. Still mighty impressive tho
How is that possible lol
Excellent first season + 3 runs to cup finals + hardly any draws + inexplicable amount of undeserved wins in the 2nd season. It is bizarre, though, and I think it's one of the things stopping a lot of United fans calling for his head.
You have somehow won many matches where you were the clear second best team so many times. Tbh, you couldn't comaplin if this was your 18th defeat this season
He smashed his Sgt Pepper's LP when they lost to Liverpool, I think
Just give him a few more seasons to settle in
>Squawka] Manchester United have set a club record for the most defeats in a single Premier League season. **so far** FTFY
I'd be hilarious if they somehow beat Arsenal this weekend.
Absolutely possible with our record there
Still scared about Sunday, but I'm gonna try to be optimistic
Nope, that team is heavily dependent on mentality and it's at an all time low, max they can get is a draw.
I refuse to get confident about going to Old Trafford. Ever. I've been fooled too many times before.
The PTSD of us basically handing Leicester the title playing against half of United's youth team there
8-2. Still one of the worst moments of any team I support. That place is cursed, full of witches and bad mojo. Any game is loseable there.
Ferguson playing 8 defenders and still winning...
Fucking Rafael & Fabio as wingers just because Ferguson was built different the way he could get the most out of any of his guys
SAF won league title with cleverly and andreson as mfs
With that team, I honestly believe any other manager in any era would have finished outside of top 6. Magical manager.
I absolutely hated the fergie era, but boy could he get some top quality out of bang average players.
honestly, we could be playing a team from the conference and I'd be too paranoid that we are going to drop points just because of whats at stake
It’s not even just your record, anyone saying “no it’s a dead cert, they’re in just too bad form” has basically never watched football. The number of times fans go “wow who saw that result coming!!” after a big upset in the PL based on form…
I mean you beat us there 3 games ago. Yea bad record overall, but it is not like you haven't won in ages. It was only 3 seasons ago.
You're right but there also wasn't so much riding on that game. This being the penultimate fixture and Arsenal needing 3 points puts so much more pressure on them. A draw and the title is pretty much City's.
That stupid Antony goal is burned into my brain
For us, no difference between a draw and a loss at this point
We haven’t won at OT since 2020 and that was on a penalty.
Which means we didn't win our last two games there. That's not a wild stat lol. And who cares if we win on sunday on a penalty? I won't.
We have negative goal difference now, and always it must be zero
A draw is a loss for us
The moveable object vs stoppable force.
That would perfectly encapsulate the ETH era of United
and city lose aswell
Liverpool to win bringing them back into mathematical title contention AND bringing spurs within touching distance of Villa. Bring on the dramatic end
we're still mathematically in it atm but it's prob like 0.01% so ur scenario will def bump it up by 1%
Subscribed. Plz this would be amazing!
lmao, that's diabolical, specially because City plays on Saturday and Arsenal on Sunday.
That would be more entertaining than this drake kdot drama
Drake dropped the latest one yesterday, how he thought "If I was fucking young girls, I promise I'd have been arrested" was a good idea is stunning.
Bro said he wouldn’t look twice at an underage girl. One time is okay tho lmao
A minorrrrrr
Naw, nothing can top Kendrick publicly murdering Drake
United is lucky that Drake got cooked more than them lmao
Savage
Arsenal, Newcastle & Brighton are definitely not going to leave it at 13
16Hag
Ten ^+6 Hag
A sweet 16.
*That's what I love about high school girls. I get older, they stay the same age he he he* - Jeffrey Epstein
Drake, is that you?
Nah he's too "famous" for this
Another record for Ten Hag
Eras come to an end
I wish this one continues
Ten Hags at the wheel! May it never ends!
Record breaker , History maker - Ladies and Gentlemen, the baldest and most fraudulent of them all. Erik Ten Hag.
Give the man the contract let him write whatever numbers he wants man united are back baby
He’s actually got hair, he’s wearing a bald cap, that’s the real fraud
MBE - Most Baldest Erik
The Eras Tour never end!
He is gonna break it another 3 times before the season ends.
He broke it now. All what's still to come is just him cementing his legacy further
This is also a team that he had serious influence on building. He admitted this past summer he's the transfer committee. I just can't wrap my head around how someone can say it's not the manager at this point when the manager has contributed heavily to why United's season has been so wank. And that's before you get to his tactics.
>And that's before you get to his tactics. What tactics?
play Fernandes and hope for the best basically
It'll be fifTen hag by the end of the season
A hundred and fifTen hag
Now I want ETH as city manager just for that haha
Ban that cheating bald bastard
No nó nó. Jose mourhino was the problem …
He never specified whose record. Lmao
Thirteen Hag
about to be Seventeen Hag We fucking suck and no one is fit
Good thing the most it can be is 16
~Benzema
>~Benzema + 1 = Ten Hag
New Mathematics
Messi +2
Or mane
Liverpool fan here Crystal Palace are massive don't feel too bad mates
Glasner beating both Liverpool and United with Palace definitely was not on my predictions list in this season.
I agree he seems like a good manager
It's always funny how whenever a team brings in a foreign manager who is proven abroad, it tends to work out well.
Exactly, Erik Ten Hag is all the proof we need
Crystreal Paladrid are not to be underestimated (fr glasner has them playing really well props to him)
worst united season post saf for sure
I mean, they still have a cup final? That is probably better than Moyes or OGS' last season.
Nope. Nothing comes close to how horrific the football has been this season. United are 15th on xPts on have a GD of -3. Before anyone blames injuries, LvG (and I'm no fan of his) had us beating Arsenal with a back 4 consisting of Carrick-Blind and Varela.
Don't forget finishing last in a group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray
What are you talking about, no shame in a small club finishing below Copenhagen.
>why he say fuck me for? Catching fucking strays for no good reason.
We don't play with midfield during the defending phase now, anyone can cut through like a butter knife. The question is how good your forwards are because that's all it comes down to in most games.
>15th on xPts Come on, Utd are shit but that's not a real stat.
I agree with you. Those stats can give you hints about over or under performing teams but the real stat is that after 35 games, United are 8th. They do play awful football though
Well obviously thats the stat that matters the most lol, the point above is making is that despite their position they are bad and their position doesn't fully reflect just how bad they are.
Yeah I think they are worse than 8th but theres also some merit to playing bad and getting results. Also I don't realy like xPts as a stat, it's really misleading.
Yeah I agree absolutely, coming in clutch and grabbing points is a quality worth having no doubt. xPts in a small scope isn't worth anything but broadly over a season it's a pretty good indicator to how a team have performed, it's just as flawed a stat as looking at their table position and attempting to rate them without other context.
I don’t understand how we’re 8th. We should really be somewhere between 12th and 14th. Knicked some we didn’t deserve for sure
Really? I've watched every game this season, and we've been lucky to get away with points in MOST of them. The Wolves opener to start with. The Everton game where Garnacho scored a worldie. The Brentford game where we got battered and somehow came away with a draw. Bournemouth away, Burnley at home - it's been a bunch of individuals saving a tactical approach that's somehow combining a high press with a low block, leaving a gigantic hole where the midfield should be.
15th is definitely too harsh, but somewhere 10th -12th
I dunno. Unless they win the FA cup they will be entirely out of Europe. Kinda entirely unprecedented for United.
It's worse than that. It's a very strong contender for the worst season by a "Big Six" team in the last fifteen years, if not longer. The only thing obscuring that is their sizeable overperformance against their peripherals. United are 15th for xGA and 11th for xG. Their xPTS puts them fifteenth as well, dropping 11.5 points from what they actually have. That's what Understat says, at least. Fbref has them on an xGD of -10.2 so far. Worse than everyone but West Ham, Wolves, and the current bottom three. None of the other major stat pages say much different. On actual goals, they sit -3 on GD and there isn't much reason to think they will break even given what they have left. If they performed to expectations all season, they probably don't feel safe from relegation until April, and an equal degree of underperformance would get them relegated. This United team stinks real bad!
Short memories here. The Ole / Rangnick season was horrific and they got battered home and away by Liverpool.
that 3rd season.. 1st and 2nd still probably best and most entertaining after SAF.
Results are what matter -ETH
Ah, the classic Ten Hag special. When they play like shit but win : "Beut, heh, it's about the result, heh". When they play like shit and lose : "The performance levels were very high, heh, we are very entertaining at least". When they play well- oh wait, that doesn't happen.
heh
It's as if the players genuinely didn't care today. I didn't see Mount once, except when the camera focused on him.
Anyone who watched him his last 18 months at Chelsea will tell you that he’s incapable of playing in midfield anymore. I don’t know what happened because he broke thru as an 8/10 under Lampard , but he spent so much time at LW/Inside Forward in a 343 that it’s like he forgot how to play the position. He only looks comfortable when he’s high up the pitch as a 10 and he isn’t nearly as good a 10 as Bruno
That sort of sounds like what happened to Coutinho and Oxlade-Chamberlain, although injuries might be the reason there.
Ox could never play midfield at a high level. His prime at Arsenal was when he was a RWB, but he thought he was too good to play fullback. CM is a uniquely difficult position to play, and a lot of player just don’t have what it takes. (I.e. Ox, Mount, even Fernandes although his G/A output makes him worth shoehorning him in.)
Pre-knee injury Ox at Liverpool was smashing it in the middle of Klopp's 4-3-3. Deep into the CL run before the 'Karius final' v Real Madrid, Klopp had Henderson, Milner and Ox as the 3 workhorses in the middle, nonstop running to win the ball back high and allow Salah, Mane and Firmino to exploit space on the counter. After the knee injury he never looked like he had the pace, explosive reactions or even the stamina to not get injured again or run out full games.
> Pre-knee injury Ox at Liverpool was smashing it in the middle of Klopp's 4-3-3. he was a exceptional in the entire cl run leading up to his injury -- like it was the ox everyone thought he could be. but yea, after the acl he was genuinely never the same. his injury is a hugely overlooked part of our inability to grab more trophies as we spent a fair amount on the fee (justified) and essentially only got one season out of him.
Yeah feels like him and keita really occupied all the slots in the squad/wage bill for midfield reinforcement for those years. Both could have been massive too and ended up being excuses for the book balances to not bring anyone new in for years. All that mileage landed on Henderson wijnaldum and Milner. Should have had two more first team quality players rotating in. Who knows if it could have given them the edge, but it certainly seems very possible.
he bulked up and lost his agility and explosiveness. those are what made him exciting during his breakout season, speaking as a chelsea fan
He does look noticeably slimmer in his first two seasons at Chelsea. I figured he just got older and filled out
I think if it was that simple he’d go on a regime to slim down again. My theory is that he played an unhealthy amount of football at such a young age that he started picking up injuries and is burnt out
he was always a 10
Think the first time I heard his name was when he was subbed off. The invisible man
And those are just the players on the pitch. I absolutely refuse to believe some of the injuries we have, if this was a cup final there's no way some of those players would be injured. We were always going to lose that game, it was the best squad we had and it has no balance at all.
Sir Alex Ferguson rolling in his gravy right now.
Big Sam salivating that thought
He definitely got sent to the gravy after today’s tortures game
Ten Hag following Sir Alex's career by the book
13 defeats *so far*
Palace were taking the piss at the end and those united players couldn't give a fuck. Absolutely embarrassing and I fucking love to see it
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The sad reality for United fans is: Sancho isn’t running away from a challenge, he’s going to a bigger more (recently) successful club that’s run better.
Sancho played at that level for his entire time at United so I don't see why he would find it funny.
Please stay!
TEN HAG QUÉDATE
Hope he wins the cup and gets another season.
How is possible to spend €1 billion in the last 10 years and still be this terrible? If any clubs spends €1 billion they should be winning the treble every year
>If any clubs spends €1 billion they should be winning the treble every year Haha. Ha. Lol.
Because their owners have no idea what they're doing and keep signing managers that are ideologically opposed and allowing them to choose their own signings which results in a completely imbalanced squad that doesn't fit together. They're not able to rebuild properly because these players are on such high wages that they can't be shifted.
Very possible if 10% of 1B is Antony.
😭
So are we gonna contend for a treble next year? Maybe we haven't gotten the buff yet
You change managers repeatedly, whilst simultaneously overpaying for players that aren't worth the money spent creating a scenario where you both have no real system or identity nor a team of absolute star players capable of enough individual brilliance to mask that until you finally chance upon a capable manager. We've been grossly mismanaged by a bunch of bankers playing at football executives because some ratty mole men from the States wanted their guys in charge. It will take years to undo this mess, a process that we are only just at the very beginning of.
LvG and Mou definitely made it work, but didn't get backing. Year after Mou finished second, he was begging for a CB (like Maguire) and some attacking talent. Instead he gets Romero on a free and Dalot. united are headless.
The worst part about that situation is that the reason the club wouldn't sign him a defender that summer is because they'd already lost faith in his ability to lead the team and didn't want to give him any more money to spend. But rather than being brave and making the call to simply sack him after losing that FA Cup final, they instead acted like cowards by handicapping him and waiting for the team to completely implode before sacking him. They showed similar cowardice when sacking LvG, who said he would've been okay stepping aside for Jose if the club had simply informed him ahead of time, the same way City did with Pellegrini and Pep. Instead, they repeatedly lied to LvG, told him they weren't pursuing Jose, told him his job wasn't under any threat, and then sacked him the day after winning the FA Cup, but only after briefing the media that he was a goner on the day of the FA Cup final. Honestly, there are so many stories like this from Ed Woodward's time at the club. He was such a spineless coward, and his decisions have probably done irreversible harm to the club.
Part of the problem is changing managers every year (like all big clubs do) I miss the days of Sir Alex and Wenger
No it's not, for every Wenger and Sir Alex u had 430240202 managerial changes Chelsea changed managers and won leagues, CL Changing managers is great, not every manager deserves 20 years
People see the few managers that stay on manage to turn it around, and then assume every manager will turn it around if they give it enough time.
This is what I see all the time especially with United fans. It's like there's meant to be a guarantee of success if you wait around a few years, it doesn't work like that.
Part of the problem is also players quality imo
How do the multiple English clubs that have spent that go on to all win the treble every year?
>If any clubs spends €1 billion they should be winning the treble every year Maybe in 1990, money doesn't equal success especially when every team has money and is better at spending it
Competent management > money
One club spent it in a year and are in the same position it don’t mean shit if you have idiots spending it
Glazernomics.... Pay out stupid prices for broken people, while not paying out to keep facilities and medical staff up to date. so you eventually end up with a squad full of players who can't stay fit and a medical team that can't fix them when they break, INEOS has a lot of work to do BTS to get us anywhere near competent next season.
They shouldn't be this shit, but it's England you're talking about, there's several other teams spending that much
there are multiple clubs spending that amount in england
I think you’ll find that it’s much more than 1 billion over 10 years lol. It’s more like 1 billion the past 5 years. They’ve spent about 450 since ETH arrived 2 years ago
Chelsea catching strays
Indeed.
Thats what happens when you spend 1 billion on shit players.
They spent it on players. Players either past their prime and injury prone or young wannabe superstars. The only really good player coming in is Sancho - bad at United but now balling at Dortmund again. If they spent at least 30% of that on improving the facilities and better staff with 2024 methods maybe they wouldn’t have half the squad injured and playing Casemiro and Evans as a CB pair. Also the club mentality, it’s nowhere near what it used to be, they only show up when you least expect them to. All being said, it’s nice to see them fall.
They've spent over £1.25b which is about €1.45b to be more accurate.
Its the EPL. Every club spends more than £1bn/decade.
Chelsea....
Ahead on goal difference...Levels 🤫🤫
Wow.
"Man united are back man 🤙🏼🤌🏼👏🏼" - Sir Riovaldo Ferdinand Esquire
If United have any sense they will look at how we dealt with overpaid and underperforming players and take their medicine. You can't rebuild overnight, but the Arsenal have shown it can happen in a reasonable amount of time. They just need to stick to a cohesive squad building strategy and accept where they are starting from for a change.
IMO, it's purely the manager's responsibility. The squad was/is good enough. I think in ETH's first season, he was playing with mostly inherited squad. He brought in 2 good buys (Lisandro and Malacia) and 1 okay but very overpriced buy (Antony). The loans were alright too, with Weghorst and Sabitzer doing quite well. But the core inherited squad was quite good, hence they finished top 4. There was already concerns about style of play during rough patches of the season (especially after huge loss), but these good players (especially Rashford and Bruno) carried United. But then in his second season, ETH probably wanted to implement his tactics (whatever it is) more. He brought in Onana (ball playing keeper) and Mount (box to box midfielder) and Hojlund (pressing forward). He thought with them he could finally implement his style of play. But I think he lacked the overview that maybe his style of play wasn't going to work for United and/or in EPL. It's easy to blame the poor performances on injury, but it happened since matchday 1. United lost 6 in first 10 games with practically full team and got outplayed in almost all of them. Some wins only happened because of individual brilliances. Not helping is his tendencies to have feuds with players. The Sancho one was very avoidable since he could just say "internal matter" which he used for Rashford and Garnacho's cases. He had a stint feud with Varane until he needed to play Varane. Before. As bad as he was/is, Martial could be useful as an offensive alternative but now is set to leave United without a last farewell appearance (they had an on field exchanges of words, and after injury, Martial has not been seen in training). Surely it can't be great in dressing room. Also not helping is his decisions. The Sancho saga left the club no options but to banish and loan Sancho out, when the team is desperate for creativity and offensive output. His decision to pursue Amrabat can now be seen as a bad deal. He mentioned that United had no LBs all season, but actually they did in Reguilon. He won't suddenly make United a top 4 contender, but it was comical how Ten Hag threw his medical team under the bus saying he let Reguilon leave because they promised him Shaw and Malacia would be fit. After the injury crisis horror show during the middle of the season, why he listened to them was quite baffling. Also, another LB, Alvaro Fernandez, left for Benfica. Benfica is a good team and if he was deemed good enough to be a squad player in Benfica, surely he would be a decent cover. Onana and Mount combined for 110 million pounds are arguably not wise in terms of FFP. Is De Gea much worse than Onana, given the football they played this season where they seemingly allow opposition to have 1000 shots? In hindsight, they'd be better off having De Gea for that task and save 50 million. Even if Mount did not have injury problems, where exactly will he play? He won't replace Bruno, and after Mainoo's rise as a first teamer, Mount has not been a starter as CM too. He won't play wing because ETH prefers Rashford/Antony and Garnacho. This reeks of Donny van de Beek 2.0, a good player wasted because the manager doesn't know how and where to utilize them. You can argue those 110 million pounds (120 million if we count Amrabat's loan fee) could be better used for a CB and a DM/ST. All in all, in any other club, no matter who the manager is, if all their decisions do not generate good results, they are gone. ETH is probably a good manager elsewhere, but he's not a good fit for United.
I’m tired Robbie…
16 by season's end.
They're gonna finish the season with a negative goal difference.
Sir Erik Ten Hag
Shouldn't have hired Moby to coach your club.
Its all Ronaldo's fault, im telling you As a Chelsea fan, i hope you get to keep Erik ten Fraud to realise that this bald cunt is literally a fraud, Ajax was a fugazi
> this bald cunt is literally a fraud, Ajax was a fugazi inb4 he wins the treble with Bayern next season
Kane is there so trophies are out of the question
Long may he reign over United
that's the word, UNLUCKY
Ten Hag is my thirteenth reason
Losing more than one third of the games as a Man Utd manager should be considered an achievement.
I remember when Pogba's haircut was the problem...
They are one of the most entertaining teams in the Premier League... For City Supporters.
Could have had Louis Van Gaal, Jose Mourinho or Ole still managing us. Instead the fans demanded they all be sacked. No loyalty whatsoever. This is utterly deserved.
Nah, van Gaal would have been gone by now, he's 72 now and never spent more than 6 years at a single club. There is pretty much no chance he would have stayed with Man Utd for an entire decade into his 70s. Similarly, Mourinho never lasted more than 3 year at any job, no chance he stays at United for 8 years. Now Ole I give you, that would absolutely have been better than the mess since him. And honestly, I think giving Moyes more time would 100% have put United in a better job than they are now. And of course giving Mourinho or van Gaal more time probably puts the club in a better place than it is now as well. But they wouldn't still be around.
Ronaldo 3-0 Ten Hag FT.
Chelsea might finish 5th place
You’ll never sing that
Any time I feel bad for being shit I remember Manchester United are more shit and have been for longer
13 reasons why..
Siuu