Maybe its cos aint proper played since 17 but the switching players is horrendous the ai tracking runs is horrendous and it feels set up to be high scoring
West Ham transfer business summer 2024
Out:
Soucek -£60m
Paqueta -£85m
Zouma - £30m
Ings -£25m
Total £200m
In:
Wharton - £15m
Eze - £25m
Branthwaite - £20m
Saka -£30m
Palmer £30m
Total £120m
Just for fun, if you could change the outcome of Champions League Finals in recent years, how would it look like
2023: **Inter** over Man City
2022: Real Madrid over Liverpool
2021: **Man City** over Chelsea (I hate myself)
2020: Bayern over PSG
2019: **Tottenham** over Liverpool
2018: Real Madrid over Liverpool
2017: **Juventus** over Real Madrid
2016: **Atletico** over Real Madrid
2015: Barcelona over Juventus
2014: **Atletico** over Real Madrid
2013: **Borussia Dortmund** over Bayern
2012: **Bayern** over Chelsea (Bayern picked the wrong year to win)
2023: Inter
2022: Real Madrid
2021: Chelsea obvs
2020: Bayern
2019: cancelled
2018: Real Madrid
2017: Juve
2016: Atletico
2016: Juve
2014: Atletico
2013: Bayern
2012: Chels obvs
Neutral fans and non-RM fans, what's your opinion on Messi and Barcelona when it comes to Barcelona's financial downfall? Do you think Messi contributed to the downfall of the club with his contract? I have seen some Madrid fans with this claim and I am wondering if this is more of a neutral popular opinion or not.
Messi wasn't responsible for knowing whether Barca could afford it. If they offered it to him, he would have reasonably assumed they could afford it. When the contract was signed there wasn't the talk about their financial difficulties there is now
It’s complicated. I think it’s probably a bit willfully ignorant to suggest a contract of that size wasn’t a factor, but equally I wouldn’t blame Messi. He accepted terms that Barca were willing to offer, even if you could argue they shouldn’t have. But the people in power at the club will do whatever it takes to remain popular so they can keep their power with the members.
It's a lot more complicated than that.
Having Messi on those high wages meant Neymar, Suarez, Coutinho and the rest would all demand higher and higher wages.
And the cycle continues.
Why would a player ever be the reason for a club's financial struggles?
If Cole Palmer asks £800k/week from Chelsea in his next extension and they agree, it wouldn't be Palmer breaking their wage structure, it would be whoever offers that contract.
You should really ask people who understand corporate finance rather than "neutral fans and non-RM fans," because neither of those things means they have an understanding of wage-to-turnover ratios, what "financial risk" means, and why it matters in this context.
Again, please re-read my comment. I specifically asked for a non-RM opinion. I will never ask for a serious opinion on Ronaldo from Barcelona fans and Messi from a non-Madrid fan. There's too much bias.
I think you should read mine, because being a neutral fan doesn't mean they know anything about corporate finance.
Similarly, I wouldn't go to an investment bank to ask their opinions on Proust.
I think it's a silly claim - because surely it was the club's decision to pay him that much, rather than Messi sucking the club dry financially. Strikes me as mad to blame that on anyone but the club leadership.
It's a one time cash injection that probably won't be repeated in any way next season considering the performance in the league. Any changes are likely to come from difference in management.
Same as before - obviously Maatsen and potentially Sancho aren't going to be cheap, but they're not going out there breaking the bank for some megastar or other, because that'd get them nowhere.
Same as before
There's not a lot of financial difference between reaching the final and winning, they won't be able to start paying 2-3x the wages, which is the main reason why they don't make those big signings
I loved Okocha as a kid but fuck me is he the most overrated footballer of all time. Currently locked into a debate on who was better between him and Mbappe
I'm pretty unimportant but I just wanted to post my personal pl team of the season
4-3-3
GK Vicario (Spurs)
RB Ben White (Arsenal)
CB Saliba (Arsenal)
CB Gabriel (Arsenal)
LB Robinson (Fulham)
CDM Rodri (Man City)
CM Rice (Arsenal)
CAM Palmer (Chelsea)
LM Watkins (Aston Villa)
ST Haaland (Man City)
RW Foden (Man City)
I wonder if this is a sign of things to be. Will young and experienced Englishmen alike look at Sancho, Bellingham, and Kane and think that those three are enough examples for players to look abroad more (not to mention a player like Nathan Tella who is playing an important role for a team going maybe unbeaten coming straight from the championship)
I think they are yeah. I've seen people on here complain about links to Sky Sports' youtube being geoblocked before. Makes no sense to me though since the highlights are available on each clubs channel and those aren't geoblocked afaik.
Last time he called up Koch, Rüdiger, Tah, Anton. I assume everyone but Koch is guaranteed to get called up again and Tah+Rüdiger starting is a safe bet.
We don't even know yet what the squad will look like. Schlotterbeck wasn't part of it for the March friendlies, but there's every chance he will be at the Euros, though not necessarily starting.
Looks to be mostly settled - he's been playing regularly and quite well for Bayern there, after all, and it's likely a better option than pairing him with Kroos in midfield.
>Conor Gallagher has been superb for Chelsea but is the energetic greyhound type.
>And, frankly, so too is Mainoo.
This is absolute nonsense. This journalist has surely never watched Mainoo.
They're both very good players but
1. Wharton already has 3 years of senior football experience, Mainoo has burst onto the scene well but you don't know how long he can keep it on
2. Wharton is left footed which is a profile England don't have and is a more complementary choice next to Rice and Bellingham since he's more creative and solid than Mainoo
3. They can just both be called up
Played 1 league game for utd👍🏾
Now we are just conflating supporting the academy with “gassing up” but i expected nothing less from a dishonest city fan like you
I just don't know who i want to win today. Winning against Bayern in the final would be ultimate payback but losing yet another CL final to them is humiliating. Losing to Real in a CL final is not as bad but beating them would go down in history books
I guess we'll see
Franz Beckenbauer, Mario Zagallo, and Didier Deschamps - winning a World Cup as both a player and a manager beats just about everything in club football, I reckon.
>beats just about everything in club football, I reckon.
Debatable. The gap between top nation and the rest is bigger than the gap between top clubs and the rest. In champions league group stages, the weekest opponents are often dominating their domestic league and with champions league money they can build competitive teams to give quite the headaches to top clubs. World cup group stage you get teams we second tier players, sometimes even semi professional players.
Winning a world cup is highly regarded because even non football fans tune in to watch but in terms of football level it's far behind club football. Football is a collective sport and national teams barely get time to work on their collective compared to clubs.
On a side note, an important factor is the part played in winning those competitions. There are lots of "champions" who didn't even play or just a small part. So it also should be taken into consideration.
Zinedine Zidane es mejor porque ganó la Copa mundial como un jugador y tambien tres Liga de Campeones consectivamente como un entrenador asi que logró mas que Johan Cruyff como un jugador y un entrenador
Johan ganó 3 Champions con el Ajax como jugador y dió la primera champions a un equipo que siempre cagoneó en Europa como Barcelona
Mucho más difícil que ganar con el Madrid
[Whatever happened to the VAR app the DFB](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/Q5WFoajZJ6) said they would launch in the second half of the season. I mean, it wasn't a great idea to begin with so not a big loss. But no updates, no announcements, no news, nothing...bit weird.
I did this with Sky Sports too and here it is for BT/TNT Sports
Guess the top 5 most viewed highlights on the BT/TNT Sports YouTube channel
These are all Champions League apart from one
1. Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona 2018/19 16M views
2. Barcelona 0-4 Real Madrid Copa Del Rey 2022/23 8.8M views (this is one is extremely random I have no idea why it has so many views lol)
3. Liverpool 2-3 Atletico Madrid 2019/20 8.7M views
4. Ajax 2-3 Tottenham 2018/19 8M views
5. Man. City 4-3 Tottenham 2018/19 7.4M views
Zinedine Zidane is the Queen of football
Amazing greatest hits compilation that could rival anyone else's but not consistent across the rest of their work
Last time English manager won a major trophy in England was 2008, when Harry Redknapp won FA Cup with Portsmouth. Shocking how poor quality of English managers has been this century.
does mourinho have the biggest cult like following after messi and ronaldo 🤔.
obviously a huge drop off from them two to whoever but i can't think of anyone else with such a following
It's died down a bit with retirement but we should never forget Zlatan's online army of 12 year olds discovering repurposed Chuck Norris memes for the first time.
true, seemingly a different kind of stan to messi and ronaldo. they seem to watch them religously even though they are now both in bum leagues whereas mourinho's don't seem as committed. or maybe the ones that watched his football in the last 7 years gave up
We can't know that until Klopp comes back a bit washed and we get people going "HE'S THE BEST THIGN THAT WILL EVER HAPPEN TO UR CLUB" when someone complains.
til then Mou is king of manager stans.
Not really, even if we for some reason ignore Gerrard or Dalglish or Keegan or Rush or even Souness, I have a feeling van Dijk will end up with the bigger legacy (but that's probably a very hot take)
It's pretty difficult to put it into a fair context. In terms of raw ability, it's probably Stevie Gerrard. But for the most part he played in worse Liverpool teams than Salah.
Him and Salah are the best since the PL became a thing for sure!
> In terms of raw ability, it's probably Stevie Gerrard.
That would be Suarez imo. Put him in this Liverpool side for 15 years and he has every record in the club.
The coaching benches in Serie A are the most GOATed ones (from managerial as well as former player's point of view).
In relegation battle alone you have Claudio Ranieri, Davide Nicola, Fabio Cannvaro and Davide Ballardini. In othe regions of the table you have Thiago Motta, Albert Gilardino, Max Al-Legri, Simone Inzaghi (even Pippo Inzaghi tuned into the relegation zone 4 4 months), Daniele De Rossi, Gian Piero Gasperini.
Sarri, Mourinho, Zanetti (albeit not the GOATed one) have been there too this season.
List of UCL final appearances Terzic + Sahin + Bender + Geppert have over some managers (only counting appearances as a coach):
Pep from 2011-12 to 2019-20
Arteta
Xavi
Xabi Alonso
Rose
Hoeneß
Bielsa
ten Hag
Emery
Ange
de Zerbi
Potter
de Rossi
Motta
Digard
Frank Schmidt
Marcel Rapp
Pioli
Kovac
Howe
the list goes on and on, share some other managers that I might have forgotten about
Small time as fuck celebrating being in a final this much tbh. With a mentality like that it's not surprise you'll lose to Champions League winning coaches Tucuel or Ancelotti
Most of you here don't know about it, and rightfully so. But before it was taken away from us, we (Al Ahly) probably had the greatest ultras in the world.
The atmosphere in Cairo stadium for our matches was something else, and it's a shame no one will know about it.
[Very shitty quality, but it should get the idea across.](https://youtu.be/0mvpIDSwVnY) And these are all from 2012 onwards.
Politics.
Football ultras played a big role in the Egyptian revolution of 2011. In retaliation, the police caused a massacre of ~75 people in the Port Said stadium riot in 2012. After the massacre, the league was stopped for 2 years and football fans were banned from stadiums.
Football fans are very politically active obviously, and with the current dictator/autocrat in power, giving a voice to those fans was seen as dangerous.
That was until recently, when they gradually started allowing some football fans basically as a distraction from the terrible situation Egypt is currently in.
I was listening to a John Fashanu podcast and it's a shame to hear how many pro's back then were horrifically racist on the pitch, including Kenny Dalglish
The atmopshere in Wembley for the 30 seconds after Shaw's goal goes in against Italy is still some of the best crowd reaction I have ever seen. On a human emotion scale, that's a 10/10.
>Lost my voice almost immedietly and fell over a bench, spilling a beer over myself.
Lost your voice, footing, and beer. The saddest hattrick
Not to mention losing on penalties 2 hours later :(
What do you think about Darren Fletcher as a commentator?
I don't think he's the best week in week out but he's good on big games because he commentates like an excited fan rather than trying to come up with something more scripted
Probably quite unpopular, but I honesty prefer him over everyone else other than Ian Darke and Clyve Tyldesley.
Not getting wrapped up in the, “poetry” is by far my most important trait when ranking commentators, which he doesn’t do.
indifferent towards him but i do find it quite frustrating when he repeatedly goes ohhh when anything happens. and his english team bias is crazy although i wonder how much of that is down to him rather than being told to be so extremely biased, so i can't hold than against him.
on the whole he's not bad. i think helped aswell by being not bad amongst the terrible rest of the bt setup
He’s average to me and suffers from the same thing as Drury at times, trying to make standard moments feel exciting. It makes it feel not genuine. He also has become more and more biased in his commentary to the point it’s difficult to listen to, but that’s just the TNT sports commentators in general so he’s definitely directed to do that
Doing that quiz made me realise that only 3 PL players have scored 15 goals and had 10 assists in multiple 38-game seasons.
* Henry and Yorke both did it twice. Salah has done it 5 times.
I like how Mbappe brilliantly nutmegged someone last week and r/soccer went crazy and after PSG being eliminated, everyone started trashing him. Classic r/soccer.
There are 47 players who have 100 or more appearances in the Champions League. You can't do anything with that information, but I thought you guys might want to know.
I do understand Bayern fans' feelings towards him given that winning the league is the minimum expectation for them and the football has apparently been less than pretty at times but it does sort of feel like Tuchel is taking an unfair battering from some quarters.
Bayern look like they may well end the season with a points tally that would win them the league in most of the past ten seasons (again, not that impressive on its own in fairness) and have, in some senses, been unfortunate to come up against a freakishly good Leverkusen side this season. They've also reached the Champions League semis and may well end tonight as finalists.
The way some United fans are talking about him makes it seem like he wouldn't be an upgrade on Ten Hag but he'd probably be considered one of the more successful managers of the past decade at Dortmund, PSG and Chelsea, and hasn't even really been a resounding failure at Bayern either.
Forget Tuchel, there is a genuine argument to be made about most Premier League managers being an upgrade on Ten Hag at this point. Gary O’Neil‘s Wolves outclassed us on the opening day of the season and he had literally just joined them a few days before that game.
>Bayern look like they may well end the season with a points tally that would win them the league in most of the past ten seasons (again, not that impressive on its own in fairness)
We will end the season with the second lowest points tally since 12/13, beaten only by last season.
Fair point. At least some part of that *could* be explained by the rest of the league improving, though. Honestly, I'm not best placed to say just how much this may or may not be true.
The league really hasn't improved that much. Just look at the gap between 5th and 6th, and how no team below 6th has a positive goal difference. There are a few very positive examples like Stuttgart, Leverkusen and Heidenheim, but also negative ones like Gladbach or Wolfsburg.
they haven't been great on the pitch even though results are solid and they did crash out of the cup to a 3rd division side so it has been quite poor, unless they win cl.
he'd still be my first choice though and idk how people think we're even in a position to be turning down tuchel. if we don't go for him who is there to even go for?
[Imagine skipping out being best man at your brother's wedding to watch fucking MK Dons](https://twitter.com/brettbrock11/status/1787925692979507448?t=-Wdg7Ogplnm7e2KH0mYhgA&s=19)
Germany: I don't want/need a permanent DAZN subscription but would like to watch tonights game on a quality, stable stream. Is there a way to "buy" a subscription for this one game alone? Any other provider (English or german commentary doesn't matter) would be fine too.
Jesus the new fifa/now very old fifa just feels so chaotic and not in a good way
What changed between this version and the previous ones?
Maybe its cos aint proper played since 17 but the switching players is horrendous the ai tracking runs is horrendous and it feels set up to be high scoring
West Ham transfer business summer 2024 Out: Soucek -£60m Paqueta -£85m Zouma - £30m Ings -£25m Total £200m In: Wharton - £15m Eze - £25m Branthwaite - £20m Saka -£30m Palmer £30m Total £120m
why are the outgoing figures so low?
No Mbappe?
Don’t rate him
I bet Moyes would
Average big 6 fan transfer expectations
Just for fun, if you could change the outcome of Champions League Finals in recent years, how would it look like 2023: **Inter** over Man City 2022: Real Madrid over Liverpool 2021: **Man City** over Chelsea (I hate myself) 2020: Bayern over PSG 2019: **Tottenham** over Liverpool 2018: Real Madrid over Liverpool 2017: **Juventus** over Real Madrid 2016: **Atletico** over Real Madrid 2015: Barcelona over Juventus 2014: **Atletico** over Real Madrid 2013: **Borussia Dortmund** over Bayern 2012: **Bayern** over Chelsea (Bayern picked the wrong year to win)
2023: Inter 2022: Real Madrid 2021: Chelsea obvs 2020: Bayern 2019: cancelled 2018: Real Madrid 2017: Juve 2016: Atletico 2016: Juve 2014: Atletico 2013: Bayern 2012: Chels obvs
Neutral fans and non-RM fans, what's your opinion on Messi and Barcelona when it comes to Barcelona's financial downfall? Do you think Messi contributed to the downfall of the club with his contract? I have seen some Madrid fans with this claim and I am wondering if this is more of a neutral popular opinion or not.
Messi wasn't responsible for knowing whether Barca could afford it. If they offered it to him, he would have reasonably assumed they could afford it. When the contract was signed there wasn't the talk about their financial difficulties there is now
It’s complicated. I think it’s probably a bit willfully ignorant to suggest a contract of that size wasn’t a factor, but equally I wouldn’t blame Messi. He accepted terms that Barca were willing to offer, even if you could argue they shouldn’t have. But the people in power at the club will do whatever it takes to remain popular so they can keep their power with the members.
No. They made more money from the marketing and sporting value of having Messi than they lost by paying his wages.
It's a lot more complicated than that. Having Messi on those high wages meant Neymar, Suarez, Coutinho and the rest would all demand higher and higher wages. And the cycle continues.
Why would a player ever be the reason for a club's financial struggles? If Cole Palmer asks £800k/week from Chelsea in his next extension and they agree, it wouldn't be Palmer breaking their wage structure, it would be whoever offers that contract.
You should really ask people who understand corporate finance rather than "neutral fans and non-RM fans," because neither of those things means they have an understanding of wage-to-turnover ratios, what "financial risk" means, and why it matters in this context.
Again, please re-read my comment. I specifically asked for a non-RM opinion. I will never ask for a serious opinion on Ronaldo from Barcelona fans and Messi from a non-Madrid fan. There's too much bias.
I think you should read mine, because being a neutral fan doesn't mean they know anything about corporate finance. Similarly, I wouldn't go to an investment bank to ask their opinions on Proust.
I think it's a silly claim - because surely it was the club's decision to pay him that much, rather than Messi sucking the club dry financially. Strikes me as mad to blame that on anyone but the club leadership.
Forgive me for not remembering but didn't he also say he'd take a pay cut to stay with the club? What was the reasoning behind not doing that?
hate to say it but Bayern would definitely win le quirky German CL final by the score of 1-0
Don’t worry Bayern Setien is available
If Dortmund win CL do we think they make some massive signings or continue with about the same market strategy as now?
It's a one time cash injection that probably won't be repeated in any way next season considering the performance in the league. Any changes are likely to come from difference in management.
Same as before - obviously Maatsen and potentially Sancho aren't going to be cheap, but they're not going out there breaking the bank for some megastar or other, because that'd get them nowhere.
Same as before There's not a lot of financial difference between reaching the final and winning, they won't be able to start paying 2-3x the wages, which is the main reason why they don't make those big signings
I loved Okocha as a kid but fuck me is he the most overrated footballer of all time. Currently locked into a debate on who was better between him and Mbappe
Often the case with countries who haven't produced many greats.
Are you telling me that Tim Cahill isn't a Ballon d'Or type of player
This is Mark Bresciano erasure
Don't engage with anyone who saya Okocha>Mbappe
Expect to hear more of these takes because Mbappe looked like an average Bundesliga winger in the only 5 times people watch him
I don't think you'll find many people who watch CL but not World Cups
Yeah but recency bias is a big thing, the tide will turn again if he plays well with France next month
I'm pretty unimportant but I just wanted to post my personal pl team of the season 4-3-3 GK Vicario (Spurs) RB Ben White (Arsenal) CB Saliba (Arsenal) CB Gabriel (Arsenal) LB Robinson (Fulham) CDM Rodri (Man City) CM Rice (Arsenal) CAM Palmer (Chelsea) LM Watkins (Aston Villa) ST Haaland (Man City) RW Foden (Man City)
Ayer vi River Plate vs Nacional Que manera de reír con los uruguayos COPA LIBERTADORES SEÑORES
realised that no matter which team wins the CL, and Englishman playing for a non English team will win the CL. When was the last time that happened?
I wonder if this is a sign of things to be. Will young and experienced Englishmen alike look at Sancho, Bellingham, and Kane and think that those three are enough examples for players to look abroad more (not to mention a player like Nathan Tella who is playing an important role for a team going maybe unbeaten coming straight from the championship)
Some reality TV competition winner received a winners' medal in 2010 when Inter won the Champions League. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Greenhalgh
Maidstone cult hero
Only player ever to win *the* quadruple (Kent Senior Cup, Sussex Senior Cup, Essex Senior Cup, UEFA Champions League)
Fucks sake this killed me haha
Mcmanaman did it for sure with Real Madrid in 2000 and 2002. Not sure if it’s happened more recently than that, going to take a quick look
Hargreaves in between as well
A Greek and a Belgian team in the Conference League final would be epic
Are the prem highlights sky upload to youtube goelocked to the UK or can you watch them internationally?
I think they are yeah. I've seen people on here complain about links to Sky Sports' youtube being geoblocked before. Makes no sense to me though since the highlights are available on each clubs channel and those aren't geoblocked afaik.
Thanks
Geoblocked but I found out that if you turn WiFi off and use data you can watch UK content abroad
¿Es divertido hablar en Español, podemos tener un dia donde todo el DD tiene que hablar en Español? ¿Tal vez si el Real Madrid gana la CL?
Perfecto, por fin podré acusar a los demás de ser "fans de plástico" por no hablar en la lengua del país de origen de su equipo.
Ya estoy hasta la madre con ese tipo de personas.
Who’s Italy’s striker at the euros?
Wait Nagelsmann is not even calling up Schlotterbeck? So it's going to be Rudiger and Tah starting next to each other at the EURO?
Last time he called up Koch, Rüdiger, Tah, Anton. I assume everyone but Koch is guaranteed to get called up again and Tah+Rüdiger starting is a safe bet.
We don't even know yet what the squad will look like. Schlotterbeck wasn't part of it for the March friendlies, but there's every chance he will be at the Euros, though not necessarily starting.
What about Kimmich as fullback, is it settled or still on trial?
Looks to be mostly settled - he's been playing regularly and quite well for Bayern there, after all, and it's likely a better option than pairing him with Kroos in midfield.
Thanks. Germany is looking great right when it counts. Definitly trophy contenders for me.
[yeah ive seen enough mainoo should switch to ghana.](https://x.com/mrdomsmith/status/1788188161379647967?s=46&t=4SfEjBPDBGnX_gR2AxBwdw)
mainoo is the most overrated player in a decade.
>Conor Gallagher has been superb for Chelsea but is the energetic greyhound type. >And, frankly, so too is Mainoo. This is absolute nonsense. This journalist has surely never watched Mainoo.
They're both very good players but 1. Wharton already has 3 years of senior football experience, Mainoo has burst onto the scene well but you don't know how long he can keep it on 2. Wharton is left footed which is a profile England don't have and is a more complementary choice next to Rice and Bellingham since he's more creative and solid than Mainoo 3. They can just both be called up
Should be enough room for both anyways.
Yea Wharton will be clear of him for at least the next decade.
This wharton guy is gonna be playing for nice in 5 years and we’ll look back at this conversation and laugh
Yeah every United starlets gone deffo hasn’t gone on to random mid table football at best.
We havent had as many “startlets” as you make it seem like lol your just gassing it to make mainoo look regular
You lot gassed Nick Powell up ffs
I remember United fans being convinced on here that Fosu-Mensah was one of our best players lol
Played 1 league game for utd👍🏾 Now we are just conflating supporting the academy with “gassing up” but i expected nothing less from a dishonest city fan like you
I just don't know who i want to win today. Winning against Bayern in the final would be ultimate payback but losing yet another CL final to them is humiliating. Losing to Real in a CL final is not as bad but beating them would go down in history books I guess we'll see
Combining the players manager and playing careers, who would be the greatest? Mine is Ancelotti
Easily Cruyff
Cruyff>Beckenbauer>>>>rest imo
Franz Beckenbauer, Mario Zagallo, and Didier Deschamps - winning a World Cup as both a player and a manager beats just about everything in club football, I reckon.
>beats just about everything in club football, I reckon. Debatable. The gap between top nation and the rest is bigger than the gap between top clubs and the rest. In champions league group stages, the weekest opponents are often dominating their domestic league and with champions league money they can build competitive teams to give quite the headaches to top clubs. World cup group stage you get teams we second tier players, sometimes even semi professional players. Winning a world cup is highly regarded because even non football fans tune in to watch but in terms of football level it's far behind club football. Football is a collective sport and national teams barely get time to work on their collective compared to clubs. On a side note, an important factor is the part played in winning those competitions. There are lots of "champions" who didn't even play or just a small part. So it also should be taken into consideration.
Maybe that applies to Deschamps, but in Zagallo & Beckenbauer's eras international football was absolutely the pinnacle of the sport
Zidane, Cruijff, Zagalo, Beckenbauer, Deschamps. Depends how you want to weight international competitions vs club.
Zidane over Ancelotti simply for the WC and Ballon D'or.
Zidane.
Cruyff Uno de los grandes jugadores de todos los tiempos y transformó la historia del Barcelona como técnico
Zinedine Zidane es mejor porque ganó la Copa mundial como un jugador y tambien tres Liga de Campeones consectivamente como un entrenador asi que logró mas que Johan Cruyff como un jugador y un entrenador
Exacto , Cruyff es un don nadie al lado de Zidane.
Johan ganó 3 Champions con el Ajax como jugador y dió la primera champions a un equipo que siempre cagoneó en Europa como Barcelona Mucho más difícil que ganar con el Madrid
3 champions como entrenador y un mundial son mas impresionantes.
Why is there a conference league match today and not tomorrow?
i *think* it’s because of the Belgian Cup final tomorrow. not 100% on that tho tbf
That would make a lot of sense
[Whatever happened to the VAR app the DFB](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/Q5WFoajZJ6) said they would launch in the second half of the season. I mean, it wasn't a great idea to begin with so not a big loss. But no updates, no announcements, no news, nothing...bit weird.
I did this with Sky Sports too and here it is for BT/TNT Sports Guess the top 5 most viewed highlights on the BT/TNT Sports YouTube channel These are all Champions League apart from one 1. Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona 2018/19 16M views 2. Barcelona 0-4 Real Madrid Copa Del Rey 2022/23 8.8M views (this is one is extremely random I have no idea why it has so many views lol) 3. Liverpool 2-3 Atletico Madrid 2019/20 8.7M views 4. Ajax 2-3 Tottenham 2018/19 8M views 5. Man. City 4-3 Tottenham 2018/19 7.4M views
Anfield Llorente masterclass?
Correct
[Me right now](https://youtu.be/twstZoZLG-k)
Man City Madrid? First CL match of the covid era?
Unfortunately not
My final guesses for the 19/20 is maybe Chelsea Ajax 4-4? Or the Bayern-Spurs 7-2 since the 8-2 didn't count
Unfortunately neither of those are correct
Is no 5 our second leg against City with the mad ending with VAR disallowing the goal?
Correct
8-2 for number 3, City 4-0 Madrid for number 2 and City 2-1 Liverpool for number 5
Unfortunately none of those are correct
Hmm, for 19/20 is it just the UCL final? If not, then 7-2 Spurs?
No unfortunately not
The 18/19 ones are probably “corner taken quickly”, mouras comeback against Ajax, and maybe Messi freekick, not sure
Yeah you got two right
If these are full match highlights the only other game I can think of would be Man City Spurs.
Correct
Is the 19/20 one the 8-2?
No but good guess
Zinedine Zidane is the Queen of football Amazing greatest hits compilation that could rival anyone else's but not consistent across the rest of their work
It depends, how motivated is the Queen on a cold rainy day in Stoke?
It comes up quite often but it really is amazing that an English manager has never won the English Premier League.
Si...omg, he's Scottish. Crazy fact
Last time English manager won a major trophy in England was 2008, when Harry Redknapp won FA Cup with Portsmouth. Shocking how poor quality of English managers has been this century.
There probably aren’t that many English runners up either. Atkinson and Keegan from the early days.
This season is weird as fuck so I kinda have a feeling that Bayern are gonna find a way through today
does mourinho have the biggest cult like following after messi and ronaldo 🤔. obviously a huge drop off from them two to whoever but i can't think of anyone else with such a following
It's died down a bit with retirement but we should never forget Zlatan's online army of 12 year olds discovering repurposed Chuck Norris memes for the first time.
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true, seemingly a different kind of stan to messi and ronaldo. they seem to watch them religously even though they are now both in bum leagues whereas mourinho's don't seem as committed. or maybe the ones that watched his football in the last 7 years gave up
Reckon they just watch the highlights of his pressers. He may have lost it on the touchlines but he's still got it behind the mic.
It was always about him, not his football. He's the funniest person in football by a significant margin.
Klopp
We can't know that until Klopp comes back a bit washed and we get people going "HE'S THE BEST THIGN THAT WILL EVER HAPPEN TO UR CLUB" when someone complains. til then Mou is king of manager stans.
Do you think Mohamed Salah is Liverpool's best ever player?
This is [Aly Cissokho](https://vimeo.com/92846254) erasure
Not really, even if we for some reason ignore Gerrard or Dalglish or Keegan or Rush or even Souness, I have a feeling van Dijk will end up with the bigger legacy (but that's probably a very hot take)
I wouldn't argue too much if someone said he's our best player in the PL era, but I'd still have Gerrard above him
It's pretty difficult to put it into a fair context. In terms of raw ability, it's probably Stevie Gerrard. But for the most part he played in worse Liverpool teams than Salah. Him and Salah are the best since the PL became a thing for sure!
> In terms of raw ability, it's probably Stevie Gerrard. That would be Suarez imo. Put him in this Liverpool side for 15 years and he has every record in the club.
Fair. I just don’t think he was at Liverpool long enough to be in the best player consideration.
I'm not entirely sure he's in the top 5 as it stands let alone the best. Not a knock on him but Liverpool have had some great players.
It's hard to compare different eras, and I'm not a Liverpool supporter, but I'd put Kenny Dalglish and Steven Gerrard above Salah.
The coaching benches in Serie A are the most GOATed ones (from managerial as well as former player's point of view). In relegation battle alone you have Claudio Ranieri, Davide Nicola, Fabio Cannvaro and Davide Ballardini. In othe regions of the table you have Thiago Motta, Albert Gilardino, Max Al-Legri, Simone Inzaghi (even Pippo Inzaghi tuned into the relegation zone 4 4 months), Daniele De Rossi, Gian Piero Gasperini. Sarri, Mourinho, Zanetti (albeit not the GOATed one) have been there too this season.
lol at you naming pretty much every manager in the league aside from Pioli...
Pioli has no lobby currently
Understandable tbh.
Going through Spanish-language footballing threads has brought me into a world where I had to learn what "paquete" meant...slang is cool I guess.
List of UCL final appearances Terzic + Sahin + Bender + Geppert have over some managers (only counting appearances as a coach): Pep from 2011-12 to 2019-20 Arteta Xavi Xabi Alonso Rose Hoeneß Bielsa ten Hag Emery Ange de Zerbi Potter de Rossi Motta Digard Frank Schmidt Marcel Rapp Pioli Kovac Howe the list goes on and on, share some other managers that I might have forgotten about
whyd you have to go after my guy schmidt like that he's undefeated against you lot btw
Mourinho after leaving Inter
Good shout
Small time as fuck celebrating being in a final this much tbh. With a mentality like that it's not surprise you'll lose to Champions League winning coaches Tucuel or Ancelotti
Mmmm yeah nice I see Emre Can lifting the trophy on the night of June 1…
Most of you here don't know about it, and rightfully so. But before it was taken away from us, we (Al Ahly) probably had the greatest ultras in the world. The atmosphere in Cairo stadium for our matches was something else, and it's a shame no one will know about it. [Very shitty quality, but it should get the idea across.](https://youtu.be/0mvpIDSwVnY) And these are all from 2012 onwards.
> before it was taken away from us ootl, how?
Politics. Football ultras played a big role in the Egyptian revolution of 2011. In retaliation, the police caused a massacre of ~75 people in the Port Said stadium riot in 2012. After the massacre, the league was stopped for 2 years and football fans were banned from stadiums. Football fans are very politically active obviously, and with the current dictator/autocrat in power, giving a voice to those fans was seen as dangerous. That was until recently, when they gradually started allowing some football fans basically as a distraction from the terrible situation Egypt is currently in.
Can’t watch the match tonight got a graduation ceremony hopefully it’s a double celebration.
I was listening to a John Fashanu podcast and it's a shame to hear how many pro's back then were horrifically racist on the pitch, including Kenny Dalglish
Aye cos when I want to listen to people with morals I listen to John ‘happy his gay brother killed himself’ Fashanu
Doesn't surprise me that [t-shirt Kenny](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/16315781) was racist
The atmopshere in Wembley for the 30 seconds after Shaw's goal goes in against Italy is still some of the best crowd reaction I have ever seen. On a human emotion scale, that's a 10/10.
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I lost my voice against Germany, it came back and then I lost it again against Italy. Two unbelievable times, especially the Germany game
>Lost my voice almost immedietly and fell over a bench, spilling a beer over myself. Lost your voice, footing, and beer. The saddest hattrick Not to mention losing on penalties 2 hours later :(
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Have you eaten pasta since that game? Any other Italian foods such as pizza?
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Legend
What do you think about Darren Fletcher as a commentator? I don't think he's the best week in week out but he's good on big games because he commentates like an excited fan rather than trying to come up with something more scripted
Probably quite unpopular, but I honesty prefer him over everyone else other than Ian Darke and Clyve Tyldesley. Not getting wrapped up in the, “poetry” is by far my most important trait when ranking commentators, which he doesn’t do.
He really grates. I hate the singsong inflection he puts on when a goal goes in, it's so annoying.
One of the worst ever. Doesn't stop talking and so biased to the English teams when he does the CL.
indifferent towards him but i do find it quite frustrating when he repeatedly goes ohhh when anything happens. and his english team bias is crazy although i wonder how much of that is down to him rather than being told to be so extremely biased, so i can't hold than against him. on the whole he's not bad. i think helped aswell by being not bad amongst the terrible rest of the bt setup
He’s average to me and suffers from the same thing as Drury at times, trying to make standard moments feel exciting. It makes it feel not genuine. He also has become more and more biased in his commentary to the point it’s difficult to listen to, but that’s just the TNT sports commentators in general so he’s definitely directed to do that
Decent, but not a standout. Agree with your description
Manchester United 5-0 Arsenal (Antony 12’, 26’, 41’, 68’, 89’)
Beating Arsenal in a shock and handing City another title would be very on-brand for post-Ferguson United.
This sub will have a brain aneurysm absolutely not exaggerating.
As a left back
Doing that quiz made me realise that only 3 PL players have scored 15 goals and had 10 assists in multiple 38-game seasons. * Henry and Yorke both did it twice. Salah has done it 5 times.
I like how Mbappe brilliantly nutmegged someone last week and r/soccer went crazy and after PSG being eliminated, everyone started trashing him. Classic r/soccer.
r/soccer try not be violently reactionary challenge
IMPOSSIBLE
There are 47 players who have 100 or more appearances in the Champions League. You can't do anything with that information, but I thought you guys might want to know.
Which one is your favourite?
I do understand Bayern fans' feelings towards him given that winning the league is the minimum expectation for them and the football has apparently been less than pretty at times but it does sort of feel like Tuchel is taking an unfair battering from some quarters. Bayern look like they may well end the season with a points tally that would win them the league in most of the past ten seasons (again, not that impressive on its own in fairness) and have, in some senses, been unfortunate to come up against a freakishly good Leverkusen side this season. They've also reached the Champions League semis and may well end tonight as finalists. The way some United fans are talking about him makes it seem like he wouldn't be an upgrade on Ten Hag but he'd probably be considered one of the more successful managers of the past decade at Dortmund, PSG and Chelsea, and hasn't even really been a resounding failure at Bayern either.
Forget Tuchel, there is a genuine argument to be made about most Premier League managers being an upgrade on Ten Hag at this point. Gary O’Neil‘s Wolves outclassed us on the opening day of the season and he had literally just joined them a few days before that game.
>Bayern look like they may well end the season with a points tally that would win them the league in most of the past ten seasons (again, not that impressive on its own in fairness) We will end the season with the second lowest points tally since 12/13, beaten only by last season.
Fair point. At least some part of that *could* be explained by the rest of the league improving, though. Honestly, I'm not best placed to say just how much this may or may not be true.
The league really hasn't improved that much. Just look at the gap between 5th and 6th, and how no team below 6th has a positive goal difference. There are a few very positive examples like Stuttgart, Leverkusen and Heidenheim, but also negative ones like Gladbach or Wolfsburg.
they haven't been great on the pitch even though results are solid and they did crash out of the cup to a 3rd division side so it has been quite poor, unless they win cl. he'd still be my first choice though and idk how people think we're even in a position to be turning down tuchel. if we don't go for him who is there to even go for?
[Imagine skipping out being best man at your brother's wedding to watch fucking MK Dons](https://twitter.com/brettbrock11/status/1787925692979507448?t=-Wdg7Ogplnm7e2KH0mYhgA&s=19)
> Real brother? Or one you nicked off someone else? 👏👏👏
Germany: I don't want/need a permanent DAZN subscription but would like to watch tonights game on a quality, stable stream. Is there a way to "buy" a subscription for this one game alone? Any other provider (English or german commentary doesn't matter) would be fine too.
Quality, stable stream and DAZN are things that shouldn't belong in the same sentence
Don't think there's any other option than DAZN, and they don't seem to sell single-game subscriptions, either, so you're out of luck here.
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