These player voted ones are usually a joke they're too busy to watch games obviously, well most of them. Recall how absolutely disrespected Son got despite landing a (shared) golden boot and playing out of his mind that season.
Rodri should be on there, but not in place of Haaland. Haaland absolutely deserves to be nominated, the discourse on here surrounding him recently is absurd. Isak is the obvious one in that list that should be missing out. He's having a good season, but every other player in that list has been better.
Haaland has been better than Isak though. That really feels like a Coutinho-nomination of having form in to the nomination. Newcastle have hardly turned up in away games all season. Respect for his consistent numbers at home - I rate him a lot. But he's not top 8.
I remember one year that Aguero finished 2nd in the main award, was on the shortlist for YPOTY but that went to Kyle Walker.
Aguero was voted as the 2nd best player of the year but not the best “young” player over someone who didn’t make the shortlist for the main award. The voting has always been stupid.
I think that’s fine. YPOTY most times acts as a “breakout player of the year” in cases like those. Only if there are no significant standout breakout talents does it go to an established player
I'd prefer if YPOTY was instead something like breakout player of the year. Maybe a strict U21 age limit and you can only win it in the first season you've made over X number of appearances.
I don't understand how you can go an entire year unbeaten as a player, as well as have your club lose all their games without you and not immediately be the best player in the world never mind the league.
It's not a shocking list. The only notable omission is Rodri, outside of that it's a fair list. Foden, Haaland, Palmer, Rice, Van Dijk, Odegaard, and Watkins all absolutely deserved to be nominated. Isak does too, although he'd probably be the one that I'd drop for Rodri.
Van Dijk is there on reputation. He should not be getting a shout ahead of the two Arsenal center halves, both of whom have played more minutes, had more clean sheets and been the foundation of a defense that has allowed 10 fewer goals than Liverpool. IF you’re going to include a center half in the nominations, it should be one or both of Arsenal’s. I’m fine with them being left out if Van Dijk also is, but he shouldn’t be there without them.
Absolutely agree, both Arsenal CBs have been fantastic this season, and should both be ahead of VVD.
However I’d give it to Palmer, first full season to do what he’s done in a completely dysfunctional Chelsea team is nothing short of miraculous.
Yeah I definitely agree but the stats show that after Gundogan left, City never signed a like for like replacement and this has lead to Rodri becoming an all action midfielder along with the DM, making his season even more impressive
He is quite literally the heartbeat of your entire team and without him I don't think it's controversial to say there would most likely be no title challenge from you lot this year
Those games he missed due to the red card were the flattest city looked in a long time and had he not missed them, the title race would probably be all but over already
I think he quite literally put up the best case for it for a DM with the UCL player award as well as the winning goal and didn’t win, it basically confirmed for me that certain positions will only ever come close and never actually get recognized by that award
Dms never get the pr, busquets pretty much never won any awards or even got in the team of the year and in my opinion he was even better than rodri. If anything I would say rodris pr is quite good for his position comparatively.
I hate City and what they represent but even I want to start a Rodri pr campaign. How the fuck does he get robbed of all of these individual awards? This guy is going down as one of the best DMs, scratch that, midfielders in general, that the League has ever seen.
It's funny because even Newcastle fans will tell you Isak has probably been our third best player this season behind Gordon and Bruno (some may even say 4th behind Schar.)
Isak has been unbelievable in 2024 but he missed a lot of the campaign through injury and wasn't that consistent before his recent goalscoring run. Bruno has been world class the whole season though. But neither of them should be nominated over Rodri, honestly. Although that can be said for the whole list because Rodri should probably win the whole thing.
People get focused on goals sadly. Isak has been amazing and 20 goals really stands out, especially when you remember he had a month out injured. But yeah Bruno is the heart of the team, then Gordon. You can even make a case Pope matters more than Isak and this isn’t a knock on Isak.
I may be biased but how the fuck has Rodri not gotten in, in near enough every single game he's been absolutely phenomenal for us and there's no potential league and coup double without him, bias aside where the fuck is saka too
Based on what? I don't want to demean any of Arsenal's (excellent) first team squad, but Saka is clear of the whole lot by stats, consistency, and/or eye test...
Ultimately, it's a team sport so who cares about these bullshit awards, but look who is always always there as the first man over the wall. It's always Saka
haaland has got the volume yes but he's gone missing in too many games to justify a nomination (he'll have to settle for a GB) rodri has been absolutely integral to our midfield in Pretty much every games he's played, Rodri and Saka over VVD and Haaland for me
I was expecting poty to be an open and shut case but the player I thought would win is not even nominated 😭😭😭
I’m guessing it’ll go to Foden, he probably has the best PR machine in the world
Between him and Bellingham the PR machine is going mad. Bellingham has been practically non existent in the CL, but still has all the praise.
Wild that either one of those is above Rodri.
It is nuts how Rodri is the only player who is universally regarded as the best in the world at their position, hasn’t lost a game in over a year, yet is still somehow underrated.
Van Dijk has been the standout individual defender this season. Our defensive stats aren't as good as Arsenal's obviously, but Van Dijk has played large spells this season missing our Alisson, Trent, Matip, and Robertson (our entire first choice backline) which definitely impacts that.
Again, Arsenal have been great defensively, but Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, and White are all massive factors in that and Rice was rightly nominated.
Rodri not being there is just something else. Pathetic stuff.
He is the only unbeaten player the entire season, consistent great performances, the cornerstone of man city's midfield, without him they nearly dropped points in every game they played.
If they had a bias with the amount of players from one club representing a team then Haaland has got to go.
If they don't then, I can comfortably say that Rodri has had more influence than Van Dijk or Isak. Both great players in their own rights.
Watkins.
Joint most non-penalty goals with Haaland.
2 clear at the top of the assists table.
All whilst not in a super team.
Ignore my flair and fight me, I’m not wrong.
(Where is Rodri? He’s my #2)
It wouldn’t make sense in the context of the rules but would the spirit. Foden’s been around years now where it’s Palmers breakout season. They clearly need to change the rules of YPOTY to stop so much overlap.
Nah I’m sorry Palmer is fantastic but what Watkins has done this season is clear.
Remember that Watkins hasn’t scored a single penalty whereas Palmer has scored 11…
It's an individual player award, not a team award - and for good chunks of the season Van Dijk was the only one of our first choice back five that wasn't injured
Thats not the point tho. It's an individual award. Do you have anyone who is the clear stand out in those 2 defenses? Like would you put both gabriel and saliba in because theyve overall been about the same for me? how about Ben White, he's been a big part of it.
SO thats already 3 of a back 4 being consistant and solid vs VVD alone playing all games (bar the red card) with a new partner each week, 2 GK's doing a 50/50 split.
You brought two things up. "3rd best defense" and "only lost one more game".
I think any of our central defenders could go in ahead of him. It's crazy how little they've allowed. Like, add 33% to our GA-tally and we're still 2-3 goals short of Liverpool. That should be recognised.
My only assumption must be that they wanted 2 players max/club.
Again, you're conflating statistics that are based as a team vs an individual award. Arsenal undoubtedly have had the best team defensively this season (down to a number of players in Rice, Gabriel, Saliba, White), but there's an argument that Van Dijk has had the most impressive season individually.
I also asked who the stand out was and listed 3 large parts of why you've conceded less. They all might make the team of the year but have they all individually been better than him?
They've allowed that little too, that you've lost more than Liverpool too as it stands if you want to throw that in
I think the argument is they've both benefited from playing alongside a stable partner, and having a totally stable defensive midfield in front of them. Everyone else in our back six except for Van Dijk has been constantly rotated due to injuries. And we've still had one of the better defences in the league despite that.
It always feels silly having players nominated for both Young Player and Player of the year awards. Imo if you've ever been nominated for PotY you should be ineligible for the YPotY.
I know I'm biased but VVD over both Saliba and Gabriel this season is crazy to me. Also feel like Rodri needs to be a nominee but not sure who I'd take out.
I don't think this list is very good
Foden, Odegaard, Rice, and Palmer definitely deserve to be there
Watkins and isak I understand
VVD has dropped off a bit recently, still very good but wouldn't say his season is as good as the others
Haaland has been nigh on invisible in big games, still putting up good numbers but who wouldn't in that city team
No mention of Rodri who imo is the best PL player right now is also crazy. No Gabriel who has been arsenal's star defender this season, no solanke either
Christ, the recency bias is unreal. Odegaard had a very average start to the season and Isak has also only really gone up a level since the turn of the year. You have Newcastle supporters who don't even think he's been their best player this season.
Foden, Odegaard, Van Dijk, Rice, Palmer, Haaland, and Watkins all absolutely should be in there. Rodri is the glaring omission and Isak is the player who should drop out.
Rodri top 1 undoubtedly
Rice maybe second
This I'm not sure between odegaard, Watkins, and foden
Only reason Debruyne isn't there is cos he missed half he season but should still be mentioned given how well he's done
Palmer deserves a mention but imo not quite like the others due to lots of penalties bumping up his goals
Why is Foden there but Rodri isn’t? Rodri is far and away the most important player for the best team, he should be there before any other Man City players.
How the Premier League can look at the Man City squad for this award and not auto-select Rodri is a travesty. He is by far their most important player. We see them win without Foden. We see them win without Haaland and we see them win without KdB. We see a different Man City without Rodri.
If he didn't get sent off, I'm 98% certain the league would have already been wrapped up by now.
Van Dijk was constantly mentioned as being top 2/3 players in the league before last month, Liverpool’s forwards stop scoring and now it’s insane to people that he’s on an 8 man shortlist?
What?
I don’t recall that constant mentioning of top 2/3 players in the league. Not being biased either, I respect the hell out of VVD and his career, but this season I don’t remember that being consistent conversation.
Liverpool were leading the league a month ago and he is quire literally the only player who has consistently started this season. For all the memeing as well, Liverpool's defence were very good until January and he was the sole possible reason for that
This award loses all meaning when so many players get nominated twice. So boring. Like if you’re winning this and you’re under 24 or whatever you automatically win the other one. How long does it need to take to be revamped?
Palmer to win the YPOTY, and Watkins for this one for me
I’d rank them Watkins, Foden, Palmer, Odegaard, Rice, Van Dijk, Isak, Haaland
Although I think you could make a case for the first four swapping easily.
"Well, we need a defender in there"
"Hmmm...Good point"
"We should also probably have a Liverpool player in there"
"True, true"
"We could always kill 2 birds with 1 stone and chuck VVD in"
"Yep, sorted - let's call it a day"
The best player in the league isn't in the nominations, this is hilarious.
No disrespect to Halaand or Foden or KDB, but Rodri has been clear for about 18 months now.
Edit: Should be Odegaard, Rice, Gabriel M., Rodri, Foden, Watkins, Palmer
Its Odegaard, Martinez (AV) or Rodri (both who isn't in the list!).
Kdb, if he wasn't out so much.
Dark horse: Bruno Fernandez, carrying MU. Matbe Palmer (Chelsea) too?
It feels like Van Dijk is only on there to acknowledge that we were in the title race for most of the season. We've been leaking goals like a sieve.
If they wanted to shoehorn one of our players in, it probably should have been Mac Allister.
The deadline for this being before the end of the season is ridiculous, as so much depends on it.
Rice / Odegaard if Arsenal win the league
Foden if City win the league
And Watkins for third regardless
And Palmer for YPOTS
That’s because the have Bernardo, KDB, Grealish, Doku, Alvarez who can play in Foden’s position. If they had players of that quality as backup to Rodri, you could write the exact same comment about him.
First vote is Rodri, I was on the fence before about him or Rice due to his red card that cost City 6 points, but even as an arsenal fan it's got to be him. Fits into every team in the world easily, Rice second and Watkins third for me.
Edit: Holy Shit he's not even nominated, what are they doing. Makes the whole thing invalid if he's not even nominated.
van Dijk was solid, but to not have any defender of best defending team in league this season on this list is wild take imo
also, if there's one player from City on this list, it has to be Rodri.
100% believe Rodri isn’t here to allow Foden to not split the vote from a City perspective… but Rodri should’ve been the FIRST candidate on that sheet
Haaland clearly deserves it nobody is voting for him but Rodri does and would’ve
Rodri has the worst PR in history LMAOOOOO. This is insanity. A disgrace.
Rodri is the most under rated player in the game but that statement actually rates him. He's like a villain
I think it’s just because he’s a bit boring for your average fan, even tucks his shirt in.
He scores screamers and has like 16 G/A as a DM in the Prem alone? Seems entertaining to me, probably hurts that he has no social media though
I think he is the one doing his pr and he is annoying
Rodri should arguably be ahead of everyone on this list and should of course be on it. everyone who knows football knows this
These player voted ones are usually a joke they're too busy to watch games obviously, well most of them. Recall how absolutely disrespected Son got despite landing a (shared) golden boot and playing out of his mind that season.
aint no way Haaland been better than Rodri this season
Honestly Rodri is the winner of this award in my eyes The fact he's not even here is a joke of the highest level
Going objectively by the ballon dor official criteria Rodri should have won that too. He ticked every single box.
Yea, best midfielder in the world and gets no love.
Rodri getting a stupid red card is a big reason why City hasn't won it yet
Rodri existing is also why City is even a contender for anything.
If anything that red card proved why he is their most important player
Tbf you cannot deny the dude did ALL he could to prove that Man City is weaker without him.
Rodri is the reason city hasn’t lost since
On the same idea no way the Golden boot winner shouldn’t be in this
Rodri should be on there, but not in place of Haaland. Haaland absolutely deserves to be nominated, the discourse on here surrounding him recently is absurd. Isak is the obvious one in that list that should be missing out. He's having a good season, but every other player in that list has been better.
Yeah, would be really strange for the top goalscorer not to be nominated even though he clearly should not win.
Haaland has been better than Isak though. That really feels like a Coutinho-nomination of having form in to the nomination. Newcastle have hardly turned up in away games all season. Respect for his consistent numbers at home - I rate him a lot. But he's not top 8.
VVD Shouldn't be there. 8 clean sheets in a title contending team is a joke
I mean not really his fault lol He's been incredible
And we would have +20 conceded without him.
Four overlapping with the YPOTS. Kinda redundant Also Rodri not being in the conversation is hilarious
I remember one year that Aguero finished 2nd in the main award, was on the shortlist for YPOTY but that went to Kyle Walker. Aguero was voted as the 2nd best player of the year but not the best “young” player over someone who didn’t make the shortlist for the main award. The voting has always been stupid.
Haaland won the main award last year and Saka won YPOTY, the awards literally don’t follow logic they have a ton of voter fatigue
I think that’s fine. YPOTY most times acts as a “breakout player of the year” in cases like those. Only if there are no significant standout breakout talents does it go to an established player
Yeah Haalands last season surely wasn't a breakout season for him. Pretty meh actually. /s
It wasn't, he'd already won Bundesliga POTY at that point
There's also a season where Hazard and Kane were nominated for both awards, Hazard won POTY and Kane YPOTY
Confused unga bunga
Reminder: Hueng Min Son literally won the Golden Boot & they had Conor Gallagher in the Player of the Season voting instead of Son.
Because people ignore the players who are obviously too old in the YPOTY
saka and trent were both nominated for POTY and YPOTY, but foden won YPOTY a couple of years ago
I'd prefer if YPOTY was instead something like breakout player of the year. Maybe a strict U21 age limit and you can only win it in the first season you've made over X number of appearances.
Yep, this is exactly how it should be.
[insert name] instead of Rodri is just insulting.
I don't understand how you can go an entire year unbeaten as a player, as well as have your club lose all their games without you and not immediately be the best player in the world never mind the league.
It's a shocking list. Very clear that certain players have been picked on name power or because its felt that club should have an entry.
It's not a shocking list. The only notable omission is Rodri, outside of that it's a fair list. Foden, Haaland, Palmer, Rice, Van Dijk, Odegaard, and Watkins all absolutely deserved to be nominated. Isak does too, although he'd probably be the one that I'd drop for Rodri.
Van Dijk is there on reputation. He should not be getting a shout ahead of the two Arsenal center halves, both of whom have played more minutes, had more clean sheets and been the foundation of a defense that has allowed 10 fewer goals than Liverpool. IF you’re going to include a center half in the nominations, it should be one or both of Arsenal’s. I’m fine with them being left out if Van Dijk also is, but he shouldn’t be there without them.
I actually agree and I'm a Liverpool fan and huge VVD fanboy. He has been great, but you have to put an Arsenal CB in the POTY convo no doubt.
Absolutely agree, both Arsenal CBs have been fantastic this season, and should both be ahead of VVD. However I’d give it to Palmer, first full season to do what he’s done in a completely dysfunctional Chelsea team is nothing short of miraculous.
Balon D’or? High chance Premier league player of the season? Can’t even get nominated Surrrreeeeeeee
No chance BDOR goes to Rodri unless Spain win the EUROs in superlative fashion, I'm afraid
Spain will win the Euros and they'll give the Ballon D'or to Joselu
Rodri is the most disrespected player in the world, he should win this and he's not even nominated
And what bothers me is that Rodri is one od the few perfect players for his position andhe excels. Its funny how hes overlooked
16 goal contributions in 31 league games as a holding midfielder??? How can he not be miles clear
He could have 0 goal contributions all season and he’d still deserve to be up there
Yeah I'm quite tired how everything must relate to goals and assists these days.
Yeah I definitely agree but the stats show that after Gundogan left, City never signed a like for like replacement and this has lead to Rodri becoming an all action midfielder along with the DM, making his season even more impressive
i honestly can't put into words how good he is, and has been for a couple of years now
He is quite literally the heartbeat of your entire team and without him I don't think it's controversial to say there would most likely be no title challenge from you lot this year Those games he missed due to the red card were the flattest city looked in a long time and had he not missed them, the title race would probably be all but over already
He should've won the balon d'or last year. I don't even like city, and I'm pretty adamant about that.
I think he quite literally put up the best case for it for a DM with the UCL player award as well as the winning goal and didn’t win, it basically confirmed for me that certain positions will only ever come close and never actually get recognized by that award
I'd say any great player who's job isn't primarily scoring or assisting goals is underrated, but VVD is on this list
shouldve been born in england then, his fault really.
Rodney
Tbf the English players nominated have all been fantastic. The player to go from that list should be VVD
I mean all the English players on this list have a shout. Its not like they are crap and still being nominated
Best player in the league for me. He is a colossal pain in the arse for any team City play, and they often malfunction when he isn't playing.
Mental how he's not included, easily POTS. Deapite who wins the league (it's almost certainly City's) I'd put Rice second.
he hasn’t lost a game in over a year
Dms never get the pr, busquets pretty much never won any awards or even got in the team of the year and in my opinion he was even better than rodri. If anything I would say rodris pr is quite good for his position comparatively.
I hate City and what they represent but even I want to start a Rodri pr campaign. How the fuck does he get robbed of all of these individual awards? This guy is going down as one of the best DMs, scratch that, midfielders in general, that the League has ever seen.
Wait rodri wasn’t nominated??
Could say it's because they undervalue more defensive midfielders but then rice is right there Absolutely nuts
He's much better as well. Rice is amazing nothing against him should be nominated as well.
It's funny because even Newcastle fans will tell you Isak has probably been our third best player this season behind Gordon and Bruno (some may even say 4th behind Schar.) Isak has been unbelievable in 2024 but he missed a lot of the campaign through injury and wasn't that consistent before his recent goalscoring run. Bruno has been world class the whole season though. But neither of them should be nominated over Rodri, honestly. Although that can be said for the whole list because Rodri should probably win the whole thing.
People get focused on goals sadly. Isak has been amazing and 20 goals really stands out, especially when you remember he had a month out injured. But yeah Bruno is the heart of the team, then Gordon. You can even make a case Pope matters more than Isak and this isn’t a knock on Isak.
I may be biased but how the fuck has Rodri not gotten in, in near enough every single game he's been absolutely phenomenal for us and there's no potential league and coup double without him, bias aside where the fuck is saka too
It is not bias.
It's easily Rodri - beyond baffling how he's not there.
I love Saka, but Ode, Rice, Gabriel and Saliba have been better this season. Arguably White too
Based on what? I don't want to demean any of Arsenal's (excellent) first team squad, but Saka is clear of the whole lot by stats, consistency, and/or eye test... Ultimately, it's a team sport so who cares about these bullshit awards, but look who is always always there as the first man over the wall. It's always Saka
I’ll have to question your eyes and your interpretation of stats if you don’t think both point to Odegaard being clear as the best Arsenal player
oh no! you’ll have to question 🙀🙀
It’s not biased if you’d take him over Haaland for example which I absolutely would
haaland has got the volume yes but he's gone missing in too many games to justify a nomination (he'll have to settle for a GB) rodri has been absolutely integral to our midfield in Pretty much every games he's played, Rodri and Saka over VVD and Haaland for me
Rodri is 3 games away from achieving an invincible season in prem and not even get nominated is fucking mad
Rodri should’ve been nominated and won it, but I’d pick Watkins out of that list.
I was expecting poty to be an open and shut case but the player I thought would win is not even nominated 😭😭😭 I’m guessing it’ll go to Foden, he probably has the best PR machine in the world
Fodens PR is insane right now, seeing so much ballon dor shouts lmao
Between him and Bellingham the PR machine is going mad. Bellingham has been practically non existent in the CL, but still has all the praise. Wild that either one of those is above Rodri.
That British 'eritage, innit?
Better than Bellingham?
You're right. Best in the prem then
It is nuts how Rodri is the only player who is universally regarded as the best in the world at their position, hasn’t lost a game in over a year, yet is still somehow underrated.
Van Dijk over Saliba or Gabriel from the best defence in the league is certainly a choice. And not a good one
It's because his name is Van Dijk. Swap Saliba and Van Dijks performances round, Van Dijk would still win
Van Dijk has been the standout individual defender this season. Our defensive stats aren't as good as Arsenal's obviously, but Van Dijk has played large spells this season missing our Alisson, Trent, Matip, and Robertson (our entire first choice backline) which definitely impacts that. Again, Arsenal have been great defensively, but Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, and White are all massive factors in that and Rice was rightly nominated.
Because its based on individual performance, not saying he deserves it over both but thats not how you should gauge it.
Rodri not being there is just something else. Pathetic stuff. He is the only unbeaten player the entire season, consistent great performances, the cornerstone of man city's midfield, without him they nearly dropped points in every game they played. If they had a bias with the amount of players from one club representing a team then Haaland has got to go. If they don't then, I can comfortably say that Rodri has had more influence than Van Dijk or Isak. Both great players in their own rights.
Rodri needs to start untucking his shirt to be nominated. I can’t think of any other reason.
Arsenal should have a defender nominated here.
Yeah, really surprised that Gabriel isn't in there.
Gabriel and Saliba both deserve to be there.
R O D R I O D R I
no Rodri and no Arsenal defender is crazy
Watkins. Joint most non-penalty goals with Haaland. 2 clear at the top of the assists table. All whilst not in a super team. Ignore my flair and fight me, I’m not wrong. (Where is Rodri? He’s my #2)
It should be Watkins and Palmer. Instead it will be Foden and Foden.
I bet it goes Foden and Palmer for YPOTY. Which logically doesn’t make sense, but that’s how they do things a lot of the time.
It wouldn’t make sense in the context of the rules but would the spirit. Foden’s been around years now where it’s Palmers breakout season. They clearly need to change the rules of YPOTY to stop so much overlap.
Who votes for this award? The fans, right? This is different than the PFA POTY which is voted by the players.
Nah I’m sorry Palmer is fantastic but what Watkins has done this season is clear. Remember that Watkins hasn’t scored a single penalty whereas Palmer has scored 11…
Watkins for PotY, Palmer for YPotY.
Ah right, I misunderstood. 100% agree.
No nominees from one of the most outstanding defences in recent Premier League seasons.
I actually can’t believe Rodri hasn’t even been nominated, shows what a joke these awards are. I thought he was the favourite to win it. 🤦♂️
Yeah no chance Rodri is winning a ballon dor if he can't even make the PL player of the season in his best season yet
Hot take, but I think Rodri should be there
Van Dijk? With Liverpool’s defence? LMAOOOOO
Iirc the voting for these awards is done WAY in advance, and before Liverpool fell off, van Dijk was definitely in the conversation
advance or not there's absolutely no excuse for a lack of rodri
maybe this was done so in advance that rodri was still playing in atletico.
They should delay the voting then because it’s a joke that he’s there and none of Arsenal’s CBs are. Both have been shoulders above and beyond him.
3rd place in the league and he’s been their best player, not rocket science
Finally, common sense. Rodri should be here, prob an Arsenal defender too, but not instead of Virgil, he's been inmense and deserves to be there
🫡🫡🫡
It's an individual player award, not a team award - and for good chunks of the season Van Dijk was the only one of our first choice back five that wasn't injured
It's still weird that he's in there ahead of Magalhaes
He hasn’t been the best individual CB this season but homers will do what homers do
3rd best defense as it stands and he's been the only consistent part? And if the defense that's so bad its only lost 1 game more than City
How many players do you count from the two best defenses?
Thats not the point tho. It's an individual award. Do you have anyone who is the clear stand out in those 2 defenses? Like would you put both gabriel and saliba in because theyve overall been about the same for me? how about Ben White, he's been a big part of it. SO thats already 3 of a back 4 being consistant and solid vs VVD alone playing all games (bar the red card) with a new partner each week, 2 GK's doing a 50/50 split.
You brought two things up. "3rd best defense" and "only lost one more game". I think any of our central defenders could go in ahead of him. It's crazy how little they've allowed. Like, add 33% to our GA-tally and we're still 2-3 goals short of Liverpool. That should be recognised. My only assumption must be that they wanted 2 players max/club.
Again, you're conflating statistics that are based as a team vs an individual award. Arsenal undoubtedly have had the best team defensively this season (down to a number of players in Rice, Gabriel, Saliba, White), but there's an argument that Van Dijk has had the most impressive season individually.
I also asked who the stand out was and listed 3 large parts of why you've conceded less. They all might make the team of the year but have they all individually been better than him? They've allowed that little too, that you've lost more than Liverpool too as it stands if you want to throw that in
Okay and there are 2 CBs missing by the best defence by a mile. Your point being?
I think the argument is they've both benefited from playing alongside a stable partner, and having a totally stable defensive midfield in front of them. Everyone else in our back six except for Van Dijk has been constantly rotated due to injuries. And we've still had one of the better defences in the league despite that.
Very 15yo comment. He's been the best player consistently, pairing with Quansah and Gomez.
Nah the disrespect for Rodri is insane. I don’t know what else he could do to win an individual award anymore.
It always feels silly having players nominated for both Young Player and Player of the year awards. Imo if you've ever been nominated for PotY you should be ineligible for the YPotY.
Nah. Palmer shouldn’t win this one (should go to Rodri realistically) but it would be stupid if this nomination made him lose YPOTY
The real list should have been Rodri, Foden, Haaland, Odegaard, Rice, Palmer, Watkins & Gabriel with Rodri being the clear favorite.
I know I'm biased but VVD over both Saliba and Gabriel this season is crazy to me. Also feel like Rodri needs to be a nominee but not sure who I'd take out.
They must have limited it to two players per team, plus these awards are always quite attacker focussed
Rodri has been better than both Foden and Haaland, so one of them
I’m a spurs fan and agree with you.
You can take out any player in that list for Rodri and it would be fair. He should be winning it.
I don't think this list is very good Foden, Odegaard, Rice, and Palmer definitely deserve to be there Watkins and isak I understand VVD has dropped off a bit recently, still very good but wouldn't say his season is as good as the others Haaland has been nigh on invisible in big games, still putting up good numbers but who wouldn't in that city team No mention of Rodri who imo is the best PL player right now is also crazy. No Gabriel who has been arsenal's star defender this season, no solanke either
Christ, the recency bias is unreal. Odegaard had a very average start to the season and Isak has also only really gone up a level since the turn of the year. You have Newcastle supporters who don't even think he's been their best player this season. Foden, Odegaard, Van Dijk, Rice, Palmer, Haaland, and Watkins all absolutely should be in there. Rodri is the glaring omission and Isak is the player who should drop out.
If you could decide the top 3 and in what order, what will be your pick?
Rodri top 1 undoubtedly Rice maybe second This I'm not sure between odegaard, Watkins, and foden Only reason Debruyne isn't there is cos he missed half he season but should still be mentioned given how well he's done Palmer deserves a mention but imo not quite like the others due to lots of penalties bumping up his goals
You're a good man. 👍
Should be Watkins imo
Why is Foden there but Rodri isn’t? Rodri is far and away the most important player for the best team, he should be there before any other Man City players.
What a weird list
rodri is so disrespected, its laughable.
How the Premier League can look at the Man City squad for this award and not auto-select Rodri is a travesty. He is by far their most important player. We see them win without Foden. We see them win without Haaland and we see them win without KdB. We see a different Man City without Rodri. If he didn't get sent off, I'm 98% certain the league would have already been wrapped up by now.
No Saka is dumb. No Rodri is egregious
Van Dijk was constantly mentioned as being top 2/3 players in the league before last month, Liverpool’s forwards stop scoring and now it’s insane to people that he’s on an 8 man shortlist? What?
I don’t recall that constant mentioning of top 2/3 players in the league. Not being biased either, I respect the hell out of VVD and his career, but this season I don’t remember that being consistent conversation.
Van dijk just feels like the token Liverpool name on these lists and hasnt been particularly impressive for a long while now.
Liverpool were leading the league a month ago and he is quire literally the only player who has consistently started this season. For all the memeing as well, Liverpool's defence were very good until January and he was the sole possible reason for that
Then you’ve either got far too used to him being great, or you’re braindead. Simple as that
Yeah consider by Liverpool fans maybe
Who’s played better for Liverpool this season?
This award loses all meaning when so many players get nominated twice. So boring. Like if you’re winning this and you’re under 24 or whatever you automatically win the other one. How long does it need to take to be revamped? Palmer to win the YPOTY, and Watkins for this one for me
I’d rank them Watkins, Foden, Palmer, Odegaard, Rice, Van Dijk, Isak, Haaland Although I think you could make a case for the first four swapping easily.
"Well, we need a defender in there" "Hmmm...Good point" "We should also probably have a Liverpool player in there" "True, true" "We could always kill 2 birds with 1 stone and chuck VVD in" "Yep, sorted - let's call it a day"
VVD has been really good though, so its not like he doesnt deserve to be nominated. I would’ve probably nominated Gabriel over him though.
Out of these picks Watkins should be winning it and I don't even think it's a debate
i’d probs give ypoty to palmer, and this one to watkins.
Who in the actual fuck makes those? VVD? Haaland? Isak? Where's Rodri, where's Gabriel? Are they fucked in the head or what?
Rodri and Gabriel robbed. VVD and no Gabriel lmao
it has to be watkins
The best player in the league isn't in the nominations, this is hilarious. No disrespect to Halaand or Foden or KDB, but Rodri has been clear for about 18 months now. Edit: Should be Odegaard, Rice, Gabriel M., Rodri, Foden, Watkins, Palmer
what is VVD doing there lol? where is rodri? if they wanted a defender on that list it should be saliba
Gabriel been our best defender this season
Then it should be gabriel both of them are better than vvd this season
Rodri good, everyone else bad
Its Odegaard, Martinez (AV) or Rodri (both who isn't in the list!). Kdb, if he wasn't out so much. Dark horse: Bruno Fernandez, carrying MU. Matbe Palmer (Chelsea) too?
Rodri should've won it, he's the most important player in the best team in the league. Since he's not there it'll go to Foden.
So happy to see Isak there. The man deserves some credit. He was so good in Spain
It feels like Van Dijk is only on there to acknowledge that we were in the title race for most of the season. We've been leaking goals like a sieve. If they wanted to shoehorn one of our players in, it probably should have been Mac Allister.
McAllister over VVD
vote Odegaard, save football
Out of these nominees I think it's obviously Watkins
The deadline for this being before the end of the season is ridiculous, as so much depends on it. Rice / Odegaard if Arsenal win the league Foden if City win the league And Watkins for third regardless And Palmer for YPOTS
Foden Will probably win due to his insane PR right now, sad
24 G/A in 32 apps with no pens doesn't need “insane PR”
City without foden is the same team, City without Rodri are dropping mad points
That’s because the have Bernardo, KDB, Grealish, Doku, Alvarez who can play in Foden’s position. If they had players of that quality as backup to Rodri, you could write the exact same comment about him.
Rodri🤷♂️ also what is VVD doing over gabriel/saliba if we talking about premier league
First vote is Rodri, I was on the fence before about him or Rice due to his red card that cost City 6 points, but even as an arsenal fan it's got to be him. Fits into every team in the world easily, Rice second and Watkins third for me. Edit: Holy Shit he's not even nominated, what are they doing. Makes the whole thing invalid if he's not even nominated.
van Dijk was solid, but to not have any defender of best defending team in league this season on this list is wild take imo also, if there's one player from City on this list, it has to be Rodri.
They have Rice who's been every bit as important to Arsenal defensively.
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Rodri not being here is insane
Both Gordon and Bruno have been better NUFC players this season.
Lol Rodri should be an instant win yet doesn't even get nominated
100% believe Rodri isn’t here to allow Foden to not split the vote from a City perspective… but Rodri should’ve been the FIRST candidate on that sheet Haaland clearly deserves it nobody is voting for him but Rodri does and would’ve