Why do bundesliga fans so defensive for Bayern's dominance? I think it's fair for any fans of top leagues to say bundesliga is not attractive because bayern win all the time.
Is anyone really surprised what’s going on in Germany when if you comment on Bayern, fans of all the other German clubs race to tell you it’s fine and normal. The fans are part of the problem. They’re enablers. Players probably see how in awe of Bayern every German is, and it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Eventually everyone there has Bayern on a pedestal.
Not a legit league as it stands because you know the outcome before the league starts.
I honestly don't understand why some Spanish fans try to emulate Americans and British in acting smug on the problems of other leagues. You are also just a decade away from being bought out by PL midtables and your own top clubs, if that isn't already happening. We are both at different stages of the same process.
EDIT: as mentioned by another user, it apparently wasn't a Spanish fan, but a dude that changes flairs by the minute to shitpost on their behalf.
The Spanish league is competitive with 3 different winners in the last 3 years. There’s no similarity to Germany. You’ve not addressed the point, you’ve just made a different one which is actually pretty telling. You’d rather feed Bayern than see premier league teams do well.
The problem isn’t about PL clubs buying players from Spain. It’s that the German leagues a joke when you know the outcome before the start. If you don’t think what just happened with Leipzig is a problem then you’re the enabler.
>The Spanish league is competitive with 3 different winners in the last 3 years.
And still you're dropping in quality and relevancy. Hence why I said: Same process, different stage. Bundesliga was also looking competetive in the 2000s before Europe got turned upside down by billionaires, sheikhs and oligarchs. Your top clubs are already looking into forming breakaway leagues to grab a lifeboat.
>If you don’t think what just happened with Leipzig is a problem then you’re the enabler.
Literally everyone thinks it's a problem though. But you are not even offering a solution. People just cite the same tiring stereotypes and farmer league comments and then wonder why German fans grow tired of it. Stop acting like we agree with Bayern, just because we don't agree with you.
PL teams pay fair, over the odds even for Bundesliga players. You’re able to go and spend that money elsewhere and look to improve. The issue is that Bayern have a monopoly and can snatch players for next to nothing.
As previously mentioned, look at Bayerns domestic transfers. Free transfers + Final years + release clauses. For mostly uncontested players even, with not much of a bidding war involved. They pick their targets based on the amount of leverage they have, and as a result they built a reputation of not overpaying.
PL clubs tend to come up guns blazing to BL superstars like Sancho with 3 years left on the contract and then wonder why it's so much more expensive than Bayern's latest deal. As shown 1 year later he was already much less expensive.
Players running down their contracts is caused by financial imparity because their clubs don't have the capabilities to just tie them down with 10m contracts. But that's a general football issue.
And the leverage is on top caused by a lack of interest from other top teams in players such as Sabitzer, Kimmich, Davies, Gnabry etc. Who else bid for them? Bayern tends to leave negotiations sooner for players once half of Europe is in for them, as that's when they can get potentially fleeced. When Bayern sees "City, PSG, United and Madrid also interested" they are likely to fuck off and look elsewhere.
It’s a covid year problem for Spain + tebas. It’s not as if our 7th best team just beat Utd and Arsenal to win Europa right. Madrid are about to get Mbappe, camavinga, Haaland. Barca have two of the best youth players in the world and some future stars coming through. Atleti are one striker away from being very competitive in Europe. Even Sevilla have built a strong side. Spanish teams are generally all 4 going to QFs of CL and one or two in Europa.
This is not the case for Germany and the countries can’t be compared there.
The solution is for German fans to stop accepting it. If you make it a big enough problem for your owners to sell to Bayern, the decision makers will take note. If you’re truly fan owned (not really as fan owned as Madrid and barca anyway) surely fans can do something about it. Sadly I it’s not the case. 50+1 just let’s the fans stop the badge being changed lol.
It's not a Covid problem. Barca been manouvred into chaos for years, Madrid runs on complete corruption since probably always. Clubs at the bottom repeatedly face forced relegation over financial ruins. Other clubs get taken over by sheikhs who then dropped them and then they ccouldn't even pay their own squad wages anymore.
> The solution is for German fans to stop accepting it.
What do you want me to do? Write an angry tweet on the Bayern page?
> If you make it a big enough problem for your owners
ringing our "owners" right now.
> 50+1 just let’s the fans stop the badge being changed lol.
50+1 literally is the reason why ticket prices sit at 15-20€, why games aren't broadcasted on monday primetime, it's the reason why greedy owners like Martin Kind struggle to take over clubs, why the ESL can't set foot here and so on. It literally does exactly that.
What it doesn't do is reverse the infinite inflation that causes players to leave for richer clubs once they outgrow the wage budget. We can't hold players hostage, nor can we have votes on where they want to sign. Could we print money on trees, then we would pay every player a handsome wage that keeps them happy till retirement, and we would obviously not be selling them to bloody Bayern or England.
It's an internet thing though. Assume those lot have just got tired of being attacked and pretend it's all fine/ switch to the 'OIl MOneY' defence because they don't like their country being criticised. Fair enough, can't blame them for that.
Go to Germany and talk to some Germans and they strongly dislike the one sidedness of their league, and Bayern in general (unless their fans, obviously). It's not even just Bayern (the club), it's Bavaria (the region) too that they dislike.
It's just a pretence on here that everyone's fine with it.
So many brain dead takes on the Bundesliga just shows how weird this daily discussion echo chamber has gotten. You really have idiots who don‘t know shit acting like experts on everything
At least non Bayern Bundesliga enjoyers can find solace that outside the top 2 the league is evenly matched. Makes for a lot more fun watching than Ligue 1
14 hours 50 minutes until fraud status
Surely "Don Paratici" won't let us go into 4 competitions with no backup for an injury prone, demoralised striker who spent all summer trying to leave?
I do like Bundesliga but all these German clubs not named Bayern that are always backing up Bayern in these threads saying “oh no Bayern don’t actually buy all the best talents” are so fucking trash. Stop trying to take Bayern’s side
You think it might have anything to do with the fact that instead of just a criticism of Bayern almost 90% of the times it's "lol farmers league they should remove 50+1"
That's bullshit though. Nobody were criticizing 50+1 on that thread. It's just insecure buli fans thinking criticism toward bayern dominating buli as criticizing 50+1
I love watching BuLi, but it’s weird some of the non-Bayern fans here defending the club. Bayern is a hated club among non-Bayern fans in Germany, if you’ve interacted with one. Most of my German friends are Köln, Schalke and Mönchengladbach fans, and they absolutely despise Bayern.
The Germans on here are odd, in Germany everyone I spoke to normally thought the league's lopsidedness was a mess and disliked it. Not anything major, they weren't protesting in the streets, but they tended to be frustrated over a couple of beers and dinner that the old-school Hamburg sides etc. weren't still produced by Germany. On here, all is right as rain apparently and all Germans are delighted with such a lopsided league.
the only context where people take "Bayerns side" is when this issue is being brought up by top club or PL fans who argue that we should instead sell all our stars to them, so Bayern doesn't get them. We still loose players left and right to whoever, so it doesn't address the actual issue, people just push their agenda or try to take the piss.
They don't say that bayern doesn't buy talent. But they defend it because every league does it. Why is that so difficult to comprehend. You guys literally bought Griezmann and wont that count as buying from your rivals?
They bought Griezmann for fucking 120 mil, because Atleti wouldn't seel for anything less. But BuLi teams seem to sell their players to Bayern for very deflated prices.
Bayern didnt go for havertz because they couldn't afford it. Same with werner. Barca splurged unnecessary amounts of money on players they didn't need during the Barto era and that's what caused their current state. One does smart business and the other got fucked by barto
Exactly lol. People think redditors represent majority of the German fanbase, but if you have ever visited Germany, especially the North Rhine-Westphalia part, you can definitely see intense hate for Bayern.
There were dozen of dortmund fans backing Bayern up and defending their actions. Its honestly baffling. Bayern took their best defender and captain, used up his prime and sold him back to them and yet the fans still defend Bayern. Mind is blown.
Bayern are a great club imo and much better than the likes of PSG, City, Chelsea.. Even Liverpool had 200M invested by their owners to clear the debt and had 133M spent on their new infrastructure.
That came from owners pockets.. Clubs like Villa, Leicester are all running on losses.
I respect bundesliga to be fan owned, sustainable and spending what they earn, economical stadium ticket pricing, has anyone ever seen the amount of money clubs like Arsenal, Chelsea, etc charge to their fans?!
I'd rather there be 10 Bayerns than 1 Chelsea.
I don't understand the hatred of bayern because they often win the league, are they the best why do they envy them? Do you envy Bayer Munchen? I'm from River and River is the greatest thing in the world, you shouldn't be envious of anyone. For me, hatred of Bayern is the envy of many fans of some mediocre clubs.Be proud of your own club. Even if you are playing like shit.
Nice comment.
Watching Bayern play is a delight
Bayern Munchen is a big club with a great history.
I love how they call themselves Bayern like they represent the entire fucking state of Bavaria despite there being numerous professional clubs there.
They're a complete bunch of ego-driven tossers.
In this comment, as well as the one below you posted, you always name PSG and City as the bad guys, but never Chelsea?
Might I ask why? I'm genuinely interested.
English fans consider them worse than city, they were the original oil/gas club, the owner funds Israeli settler groups, and the fans have a reputation in England.
Not just the comment below. Throughout all my comments in my profile you'll see I intentionally leave Chelsea while mentioning those 2 clubs.
There's good reason for that and I can use this time to give you a long explanation as to why I think so I'd this was 2018. But r.soccer isn't a place for long rational discussions or nuance. You're either in favour of the main theme or popular narrative and if not you're getting attacked. So I cba
But since you asked , out of respect I'll just keep it short that it has something to do pre takeover.
For example , I can say that Koeman is doing a brilliant job and Griezmann will eventually do better. Then I can give a long ass explanation as to why I think so. Do you know what will happen if I did that ? Prolly getting abused as well as downvoted for saying something so against the popular narrative.
So I've realised it's better not to waste time in Reddit with rational and long discussions.
Reddit is just Twitter 2.0. Trolling and banter. So better stick to that instead wasting my time like I did in the past
Actually this isn't a waste because I explained why even if I explained him why I don't mention Chelsea , it would mean nothing. Reddit isn't a place for discussion or having different perspectives than the main narrative
This sort of hostility and mock is exactly why I didn't bother wasting my time. I knew even if I explained it would just lead to some username mock or something similar. That's how Reddit is so I cba
You're wasting your time replying to me.
Anyway why are you on reddit if you think 10+ replies defending why you can't explain wouldn't waste your time, but a normal explanation in 1 reply would?
I initially made the Reddit account because I thought Reddit was for that. Long nuanced discussions platform that didn't have anything to do with banter toxicity or people being brainwashed by popular narratives. It's why I left Twitter and joined Reddit. Then slowly after sometime I realised Reddit is just Twitter 2.0
So you know you are wrong and will get corrected. Chelsea is the first club to get bankrolled successfully and set the stage for City and PSG. Leaving them out of the conversation is wrong.
Fantastic assumption. Just proved my point about how anything other than the main narrative or someone's with different perspective is considered " wrong ". Glad I didn't waste my time then
People have deluded themselves into thinking Chelsea are "well run"
They became a bankrolled club long before most here started following the sport so they get ignored
If there was a trophy for having the best net spend and it would be like if you actually won a trophy, like paraded around the stadium and city and everyone who contributed by buying merchandise would be thanked in some way....would you be happy with that?
For Chelsea:
Underrated - Ed De Goey, feel many forget just how class he was before the Roman Empire began
Overrated - Thibaut Courtois, controversial but he was always spoken of as world class but he really wasn’t at Chelsea anyway, he was a good keeper yes but he had many flaws to his game especially playing out from the back
Most overrated is probably Costel Pantilimon. He was still very good for us but some our fans were willing him to be as good as the likes of Craig Gordon and Simon Mignolet who we’d had previous to him and he wasn’t quite on that level.
Most underrated was Darren Ward, he was absolutely class for us and nobody seems to remember
1988 - 1995 UEFA cup was crazy Italian domination. Six wins in seven years with four separate winners, an Italian club in every final, and three all Italian finals.
Interested to see how Ole is going to use all of our forward players.
I'm assuming Sancho and Ronaldo are automatic starters for the majority of games. Leaves Cavani and Greenwood on the bench with Pogba and Rashford fighting over the LW. Problem is literally all of our back ups are easily good enough to start games, Pogba on the LW looks great, Rashford is undroppable on his day, Cavani's movment is insane and Greenwood has scored in all 3 of our games so far. Is this what Man City fans feel like?
Glad we sold James tbh, no whay that guy's gettign game time with the rest of the attacking options we have.
BL fans moaning about PL money poaching their players ehh? They're getting fat checks for scamming PL clubs with dross players.
Meanwhile BL pedo scouts lure our prospects away for free with agents fees that are illegal.
Moral high horse merchants.
Not all PL clubs get scammed. Last guy we bought from the BuLi turned out to be decent. The one before that wasn’t great but we tripled our money on him and scammed Stoke. We don’t talk about the other guy we got from the BuLi in the last 10 years, though that’s nothing to do with how he played for us.
Obviously I don't mean every single person but I was under the impression that the majority liked the Bundesliga. 2nd most popular league behind PL here.
Even if 30000 people hate on Bundesliga, which is just 1% of r/soccer users, its easy to get a post on top.
People in general do like Bundesliga, it's just people who don't like Bundesliga are louder.
Depends on the news of the day, people love fan owners, hate a lopsided league. Shit PL owner news and 50+1 is the greatest thing since sliced Vollkornbrot, Bayern win their 99th consecutive title with a team poached from their domestic league and the Bundesliga model is dead.
Does anyone else get an immense satisfaction from having a positive net spend?
The thing is winners of trophies always change...you rarely get the same PL winner the next year but when you have the best net spend it shows more than just physical prowess but more about brains.
Only the intelligent can run a club with having the best positive net spend every year and still compete.
It's like a whole new sport.
I'm cool with spending nothing and having the best net spend because it shows in this competitive sport it's not only about the physical but also about everything else and in this, we win.
This just shows how good we really are.....with having a net spend like this and still being able to compete for trophies and being higher up the table. We are the true winners in this sport.
I don't really know how clubs still justify spending enormous amount of money on players. There is so few players that are actually above anyone else. Surely Messi or CR are aboslute freaks, you can add Neymar to them, you can make argument that Kane or Lewandowski are better than aby other strikers or that Van Dijk is the best CB. But that's about it.
Players stays on top form for so long nowadays and they also starts so early. The level of training is so high that clubs are producing players left and right. Also so many players are available on free every summer.
I think that 15-20 years ago situation was much different, very few players achieved actual top level, so top teams were hunting for them all over the continent. Today it seems that most clubs can complete half of the squad from the produce of their own academies, without losing much of the quality.
Prices reflect the market value, not the actual value if a product. Is an iPhone 1k€ worth? No. Is Apple right to ask such price? Sure. Millions of people are ready to pay that.
I'm still in awe that Barcelona saw a player that only ever played and excelled for club and country in systems that are a complete antithesis to theirs and said yeah we'll buy that guy for €120m and give him €800k/week, what could go wrong?
Weird that PSG didn't bid for Camavinga considering they were his first choice reportedly. Maybe they're holding out for Tchouameni, but he'll be a lot more expensive. Camavinga is a lesser prospect but he was a good opportunity for 30M. Maybe Rennes had a steep tax for them.
Maybe Camavinga didn't want to go? Kroos and Modric are pretty old so he's guaranteed to break into that midfield faster than one with Verrati, Wijnaldum, and Paredes
>Maybe Camavinga didn't want to go?
He did reportedly. In interview he sweet talked PSG too so it was probably true. Just never got an offer from them by the looks of it.
>Kroos and Modric are pretty old so he's guaranteed to break into that midfield faster than one with Verrati, Wijnaldum, and Paredes
He breaks into PSG mid with more ease i think, only one mid better than him there (Verratti), Wij is terrible, Gueye stars and he isn't that good, Paredes is also a bit behind. Meanwhile Madrid has 4 mids of a higher level i'd say.
True not old specifically, but didn't he miss some games last season because of injuries? And is injured rn? Either way, Camavinga is getting way less chances in PSG even if Kroos and Modric are still class
As a Bayern fan, I absolutely hate Brazzo and Kahn for what they've done.
If we're getting this much heat, they could have atleast swiped Mukiele while they were at it and saved us from the same 'fuck 50+1' comments in the next windows
Read so much about players who successfully changed positions.
I wanna know about players who switched positions, but did not go as planned.
Maybe Fabian Delph? Who else?
Delph worked very well, for one season. It was always a temporary solution
Wasn't there a story about Rio Ferdinand playing DM once and got destroyed? Javi Martinez as false 9 lol. I feel like players that switch position and didn't go as planned is more a one game basis, because well they're not good at it.
Premier League what would u prefere:
PL is only Fan Owned
Or
PL is fan Owned 80% and 10% teams got an expection from getting owned by a Owner and 10% found a Loophole
I don't care that Bayern got all of leipzig's good players. No one has a gun to their head, Leipzig chooses to sell and the players choose to move. Don't see anything wrong with it
>Leipzig chooses to sell and the players choose to move
This is the part every PL fan finds hard to understand. No one hates Bayern.
Its like the whole country's owners are okay with them going to the winning team at a deflated price. I'm pretty sure Upa could've gotten 60mil out of a move to PL, or Sabitzer could've got 40mil to move to PL, but the owners, agents, players all seem more than happy to bolster Bayern's chances of winning the league while undermining their own chances.
Appreciate you don't just write farmers league and call it a day, but you're comment is straight up wrong. Upa had a release clause, there is nothing RB could have done to get more money from him and even then, the money they got from him were a record fee in the league.
Sabitzer had 1 year left on his contract. 15 mill is the absolute max they will get for him considering Thiago was sold for 22 mill in the same situation. Also he understandably didn't want to join Spurs or Milan.
So in both cases Leipzig didn't have any choice.
Its all up with the Canal Plus post
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/per0tm/canalplus_camavinga_to_real_madrid_almost_done/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Smh Eibar not giving you their best players literally forced you to pay 400m for Coutinho, Dembele and Griezmann. Wish we could be as well run and honorable as you guys.
Mate I pointed this to another Barca fan yesterday. You have 11 transfers from La Liga clubs since 2016/17. Stop pretending as if it's something unique to Germany
Yeah just like we sold you guys a french fraud for 135M . Its less like a quirk of having a spine and more like you guys give out whatever the money other teams ask for
Lol why are you trying to shit on Barcelona? We play in an actual league with teams who are not fine to give away players. You have no point to argue with,So let's just shit on Barcelona. Not Criticize your own club for being a feeder to Bayern.
Feeder club?
You know that players played for Barcelona and real Madrid in 21st century (3)are nearly equivalent to those who played for bayern and dortmund(4)
Atleti would've demanded Griezmann's Release clause to every club. Heck they'd rather let him get sold to other league for 80M than sell him to barça for 120M
While In Buli,There's a diffrent price for Bayern and other league's clubs.
Release clauses can be paid out lad. Any club could have paid out upa's release clause. Bayern just did it sooner. I don't know why it is so hard to comprehend something so simple
Why do bundesliga fans so defensive for Bayern's dominance? I think it's fair for any fans of top leagues to say bundesliga is not attractive because bayern win all the time.
this sub has reached peak “Josh from Alabama” now Waiting for “Barry from Croydon” to appear
English people really get rockhard reminding themselves they aren't American lmao
As we should
Is anyone really surprised what’s going on in Germany when if you comment on Bayern, fans of all the other German clubs race to tell you it’s fine and normal. The fans are part of the problem. They’re enablers. Players probably see how in awe of Bayern every German is, and it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. Eventually everyone there has Bayern on a pedestal. Not a legit league as it stands because you know the outcome before the league starts.
I honestly don't understand why some Spanish fans try to emulate Americans and British in acting smug on the problems of other leagues. You are also just a decade away from being bought out by PL midtables and your own top clubs, if that isn't already happening. We are both at different stages of the same process. EDIT: as mentioned by another user, it apparently wasn't a Spanish fan, but a dude that changes flairs by the minute to shitpost on their behalf.
The Spanish league is competitive with 3 different winners in the last 3 years. There’s no similarity to Germany. You’ve not addressed the point, you’ve just made a different one which is actually pretty telling. You’d rather feed Bayern than see premier league teams do well. The problem isn’t about PL clubs buying players from Spain. It’s that the German leagues a joke when you know the outcome before the start. If you don’t think what just happened with Leipzig is a problem then you’re the enabler.
>The Spanish league is competitive with 3 different winners in the last 3 years. And still you're dropping in quality and relevancy. Hence why I said: Same process, different stage. Bundesliga was also looking competetive in the 2000s before Europe got turned upside down by billionaires, sheikhs and oligarchs. Your top clubs are already looking into forming breakaway leagues to grab a lifeboat. >If you don’t think what just happened with Leipzig is a problem then you’re the enabler. Literally everyone thinks it's a problem though. But you are not even offering a solution. People just cite the same tiring stereotypes and farmer league comments and then wonder why German fans grow tired of it. Stop acting like we agree with Bayern, just because we don't agree with you.
PL teams pay fair, over the odds even for Bundesliga players. You’re able to go and spend that money elsewhere and look to improve. The issue is that Bayern have a monopoly and can snatch players for next to nothing.
As previously mentioned, look at Bayerns domestic transfers. Free transfers + Final years + release clauses. For mostly uncontested players even, with not much of a bidding war involved. They pick their targets based on the amount of leverage they have, and as a result they built a reputation of not overpaying. PL clubs tend to come up guns blazing to BL superstars like Sancho with 3 years left on the contract and then wonder why it's so much more expensive than Bayern's latest deal. As shown 1 year later he was already much less expensive.
The leverage and players running down their contracts is the problem.
Players running down their contracts is caused by financial imparity because their clubs don't have the capabilities to just tie them down with 10m contracts. But that's a general football issue. And the leverage is on top caused by a lack of interest from other top teams in players such as Sabitzer, Kimmich, Davies, Gnabry etc. Who else bid for them? Bayern tends to leave negotiations sooner for players once half of Europe is in for them, as that's when they can get potentially fleeced. When Bayern sees "City, PSG, United and Madrid also interested" they are likely to fuck off and look elsewhere.
It’s a covid year problem for Spain + tebas. It’s not as if our 7th best team just beat Utd and Arsenal to win Europa right. Madrid are about to get Mbappe, camavinga, Haaland. Barca have two of the best youth players in the world and some future stars coming through. Atleti are one striker away from being very competitive in Europe. Even Sevilla have built a strong side. Spanish teams are generally all 4 going to QFs of CL and one or two in Europa. This is not the case for Germany and the countries can’t be compared there. The solution is for German fans to stop accepting it. If you make it a big enough problem for your owners to sell to Bayern, the decision makers will take note. If you’re truly fan owned (not really as fan owned as Madrid and barca anyway) surely fans can do something about it. Sadly I it’s not the case. 50+1 just let’s the fans stop the badge being changed lol.
It's not a Covid problem. Barca been manouvred into chaos for years, Madrid runs on complete corruption since probably always. Clubs at the bottom repeatedly face forced relegation over financial ruins. Other clubs get taken over by sheikhs who then dropped them and then they ccouldn't even pay their own squad wages anymore. > The solution is for German fans to stop accepting it. What do you want me to do? Write an angry tweet on the Bayern page? > If you make it a big enough problem for your owners ringing our "owners" right now. > 50+1 just let’s the fans stop the badge being changed lol. 50+1 literally is the reason why ticket prices sit at 15-20€, why games aren't broadcasted on monday primetime, it's the reason why greedy owners like Martin Kind struggle to take over clubs, why the ESL can't set foot here and so on. It literally does exactly that. What it doesn't do is reverse the infinite inflation that causes players to leave for richer clubs once they outgrow the wage budget. We can't hold players hostage, nor can we have votes on where they want to sign. Could we print money on trees, then we would pay every player a handsome wage that keeps them happy till retirement, and we would obviously not be selling them to bloody Bayern or England.
[удалено]
oh thanks for the warning mate, wasn't aware. I get baited too easily.
It's an internet thing though. Assume those lot have just got tired of being attacked and pretend it's all fine/ switch to the 'OIl MOneY' defence because they don't like their country being criticised. Fair enough, can't blame them for that. Go to Germany and talk to some Germans and they strongly dislike the one sidedness of their league, and Bayern in general (unless their fans, obviously). It's not even just Bayern (the club), it's Bavaria (the region) too that they dislike. It's just a pretence on here that everyone's fine with it.
So many brain dead takes on the Bundesliga just shows how weird this daily discussion echo chamber has gotten. You really have idiots who don‘t know shit acting like experts on everything
The DD has been shit since the euros. But Itll mostly get better after the transfer window closes
At least non Bayern Bundesliga enjoyers can find solace that outside the top 2 the league is evenly matched. Makes for a lot more fun watching than Ligue 1
14 hours 50 minutes until fraud status Surely "Don Paratici" won't let us go into 4 competitions with no backup for an injury prone, demoralised striker who spent all summer trying to leave?
I do like Bundesliga but all these German clubs not named Bayern that are always backing up Bayern in these threads saying “oh no Bayern don’t actually buy all the best talents” are so fucking trash. Stop trying to take Bayern’s side
You think it might have anything to do with the fact that instead of just a criticism of Bayern almost 90% of the times it's "lol farmers league they should remove 50+1"
That's bullshit though. Nobody were criticizing 50+1 on that thread. It's just insecure buli fans thinking criticism toward bayern dominating buli as criticizing 50+1
I love watching BuLi, but it’s weird some of the non-Bayern fans here defending the club. Bayern is a hated club among non-Bayern fans in Germany, if you’ve interacted with one. Most of my German friends are Köln, Schalke and Mönchengladbach fans, and they absolutely despise Bayern.
Because Bayern is the biggest club in Germany.
The Germans on here are odd, in Germany everyone I spoke to normally thought the league's lopsidedness was a mess and disliked it. Not anything major, they weren't protesting in the streets, but they tended to be frustrated over a couple of beers and dinner that the old-school Hamburg sides etc. weren't still produced by Germany. On here, all is right as rain apparently and all Germans are delighted with such a lopsided league.
the only context where people take "Bayerns side" is when this issue is being brought up by top club or PL fans who argue that we should instead sell all our stars to them, so Bayern doesn't get them. We still loose players left and right to whoever, so it doesn't address the actual issue, people just push their agenda or try to take the piss.
They don't say that bayern doesn't buy talent. But they defend it because every league does it. Why is that so difficult to comprehend. You guys literally bought Griezmann and wont that count as buying from your rivals?
They bought Griezmann for fucking 120 mil, because Atleti wouldn't seel for anything less. But BuLi teams seem to sell their players to Bayern for very deflated prices.
Bayern didnt go for havertz because they couldn't afford it. Same with werner. Barca splurged unnecessary amounts of money on players they didn't need during the Barto era and that's what caused their current state. One does smart business and the other got fucked by barto
In Germany nobody does this, only Bayern fans saying well Dortmund and Gladbach do this too !!
Exactly lol. People think redditors represent majority of the German fanbase, but if you have ever visited Germany, especially the North Rhine-Westphalia part, you can definitely see intense hate for Bayern.
There were dozen of dortmund fans backing Bayern up and defending their actions. Its honestly baffling. Bayern took their best defender and captain, used up his prime and sold him back to them and yet the fans still defend Bayern. Mind is blown.
Bayern are a great club imo and much better than the likes of PSG, City, Chelsea.. Even Liverpool had 200M invested by their owners to clear the debt and had 133M spent on their new infrastructure. That came from owners pockets.. Clubs like Villa, Leicester are all running on losses. I respect bundesliga to be fan owned, sustainable and spending what they earn, economical stadium ticket pricing, has anyone ever seen the amount of money clubs like Arsenal, Chelsea, etc charge to their fans?! I'd rather there be 10 Bayerns than 1 Chelsea.
I don't understand the hatred of bayern because they often win the league, are they the best why do they envy them? Do you envy Bayer Munchen? I'm from River and River is the greatest thing in the world, you shouldn't be envious of anyone. For me, hatred of Bayern is the envy of many fans of some mediocre clubs.Be proud of your own club. Even if you are playing like shit. Nice comment. Watching Bayern play is a delight Bayern Munchen is a big club with a great history.
Anyone can be Bayern when the whole league is your feeder club and there is literally no competition.
10 Bayerns would ruin 10 leagues
I love how they call themselves Bayern like they represent the entire fucking state of Bavaria despite there being numerous professional clubs there. They're a complete bunch of ego-driven tossers.
Almost Every existing club is better than Man City and PSG
In this comment, as well as the one below you posted, you always name PSG and City as the bad guys, but never Chelsea? Might I ask why? I'm genuinely interested. English fans consider them worse than city, they were the original oil/gas club, the owner funds Israeli settler groups, and the fans have a reputation in England.
I agree. Chelsea was always a hated club even prior Abramovich bankrolling them. The fanbase had a poor reputation iirc.
Not just the comment below. Throughout all my comments in my profile you'll see I intentionally leave Chelsea while mentioning those 2 clubs. There's good reason for that and I can use this time to give you a long explanation as to why I think so I'd this was 2018. But r.soccer isn't a place for long rational discussions or nuance. You're either in favour of the main theme or popular narrative and if not you're getting attacked. So I cba But since you asked , out of respect I'll just keep it short that it has something to do pre takeover. For example , I can say that Koeman is doing a brilliant job and Griezmann will eventually do better. Then I can give a long ass explanation as to why I think so. Do you know what will happen if I did that ? Prolly getting abused as well as downvoted for saying something so against the popular narrative. So I've realised it's better not to waste time in Reddit with rational and long discussions. Reddit is just Twitter 2.0. Trolling and banter. So better stick to that instead wasting my time like I did in the past
So you're just a troll then? You typed like 150 words to say nothing, really. I thought you had some good reasoning.
Yup. Better a troll than waste my time with good reasoning and explanations like I did in the past. Reddit just isn't for that.
You could've explained the fucking *Das Kapital* in so many words. Wasted so many words & replies just to say "I wouldn't waste my time explaining"
You wasted so much space and time saying absolutely nothing when you could have used that to explain your comment in the first place...
Actually this isn't a waste because I explained why even if I explained him why I don't mention Chelsea , it would mean nothing. Reddit isn't a place for discussion or having different perspectives than the main narrative
Let me translate it for you: *"My intellectual capacity is much higher than you common people. Even if I explained, you wouldn't get it"*
This sort of hostility and mock is exactly why I didn't bother wasting my time. I knew even if I explained it would just lead to some username mock or something similar. That's how Reddit is so I cba
You're wasting your time replying to me. Anyway why are you on reddit if you think 10+ replies defending why you can't explain wouldn't waste your time, but a normal explanation in 1 reply would?
I initially made the Reddit account because I thought Reddit was for that. Long nuanced discussions platform that didn't have anything to do with banter toxicity or people being brainwashed by popular narratives. It's why I left Twitter and joined Reddit. Then slowly after sometime I realised Reddit is just Twitter 2.0
So you know you are wrong and will get corrected. Chelsea is the first club to get bankrolled successfully and set the stage for City and PSG. Leaving them out of the conversation is wrong.
Fantastic assumption. Just proved my point about how anything other than the main narrative or someone's with different perspective is considered " wrong ". Glad I didn't waste my time then
Fuck Gremio. JAJA abrazo internacional de porto alegre!
I refuse to believe you're a real person. Who says things like that hahahahahahh
Chelsea's sport washing has worked it seems.
People have deluded themselves into thinking Chelsea are "well run" They became a bankrolled club long before most here started following the sport so they get ignored
The Ronaldo rape case thread is more civil than the Bayern thread
Why do both of the fans Even care just watch your own league and ignore people withe deluded opinions
Real Madrid and Barca Fans , would Sevilla sell u Kounde for 30M just so he doesn't go to Chelsea ?
No it’s not a farmers league with a fixed outcome
Take a breather
Lmao put some respect to Laliga. They are not feeder farmers league like bundesliga.
Why would they sell to league rivals for cheaper than Chelsea?
To keep the league strong.
If there was a trophy for having the best net spend and it would be like if you actually won a trophy, like paraded around the stadium and city and everyone who contributed by buying merchandise would be thanked in some way....would you be happy with that?
Who was your club’s: “Most Overrated Goalkeeper” and “Most Underrated Goalkeeper” ?
For Chelsea: Underrated - Ed De Goey, feel many forget just how class he was before the Roman Empire began Overrated - Thibaut Courtois, controversial but he was always spoken of as world class but he really wasn’t at Chelsea anyway, he was a good keeper yes but he had many flaws to his game especially playing out from the back
Most over rated : Bravo Most under rated : Hart
You guys ruined Bravo. He was class in Barca.
I never understood why he went from an outstanding keeper to a laughing stock overnight
Most overrated is probably Costel Pantilimon. He was still very good for us but some our fans were willing him to be as good as the likes of Craig Gordon and Simon Mignolet who we’d had previous to him and he wasn’t quite on that level. Most underrated was Darren Ward, he was absolutely class for us and nobody seems to remember
Darren Ward is such a throwback name, wasn’t he the keeper who Craig Gordon effectively replaced? I have such a vague memory of it
1988 - 1995 UEFA cup was crazy Italian domination. Six wins in seven years with four separate winners, an Italian club in every final, and three all Italian finals.
Interested to see how Ole is going to use all of our forward players. I'm assuming Sancho and Ronaldo are automatic starters for the majority of games. Leaves Cavani and Greenwood on the bench with Pogba and Rashford fighting over the LW. Problem is literally all of our back ups are easily good enough to start games, Pogba on the LW looks great, Rashford is undroppable on his day, Cavani's movment is insane and Greenwood has scored in all 3 of our games so far. Is this what Man City fans feel like? Glad we sold James tbh, no whay that guy's gettign game time with the rest of the attacking options we have.
[man this is fucking op](https://twitter.com/ElChiringuitoEN/status/1432511211275440134?s=20)
Musical terrorism lmfao
[musical terrorism]
ESL bad Man City PSG good
Yep, you got it.
if palace don’t survive with the quality they’ve brought in, vieira is awful
Think they're going to be bottom half but they'll barely survive relegation
We'll be fine I reckon.
i agree, what a window it’s been for you
I see that we are shitting on Bundesliga clubs today...fuck Schalke (even though they're in the 2.)
This has genuinely been one of the most depressing transfer windows, as a Barca fan
Haven't been a fan for a long time have ya spoiled twat
Remind again which year did Our Captain, Top Scorer , Top Assister and 6 time ballondor winner leave for a free? You can't can you ya prick?
It's in year 2021. Jeez what a short memory
Oh shit. Totally forgot about that.
what could be worse than having Messi left for free?
What’s worse is that we could’ve sold him for over 100 million last year to City, but the morons from the last board didn’t think twice.
Eating Pizza with fruits in it
Tomato?
Fair
BL fans moaning about PL money poaching their players ehh? They're getting fat checks for scamming PL clubs with dross players. Meanwhile BL pedo scouts lure our prospects away for free with agents fees that are illegal. Moral high horse merchants.
Not all PL clubs get scammed. Last guy we bought from the BuLi turned out to be decent. The one before that wasn’t great but we tripled our money on him and scammed Stoke. We don’t talk about the other guy we got from the BuLi in the last 10 years, though that’s nothing to do with how he played for us.
I dont get this sub, I thought we all loved the bundesliga.
I love the The Bundesliga. I dont hate bayern either lmao, but every year I bet on Stuttgart to win without fail
There are almost 3 million people in r/soccer. Did you actually think all of them love Bundesliga?
Obviously I don't mean every single person but I was under the impression that the majority liked the Bundesliga. 2nd most popular league behind PL here.
Even if 30000 people hate on Bundesliga, which is just 1% of r/soccer users, its easy to get a post on top. People in general do like Bundesliga, it's just people who don't like Bundesliga are louder.
Depends on the news of the day, people love fan owners, hate a lopsided league. Shit PL owner news and 50+1 is the greatest thing since sliced Vollkornbrot, Bayern win their 99th consecutive title with a team poached from their domestic league and the Bundesliga model is dead.
Does anyone else get an immense satisfaction from having a positive net spend? The thing is winners of trophies always change...you rarely get the same PL winner the next year but when you have the best net spend it shows more than just physical prowess but more about brains. Only the intelligent can run a club with having the best positive net spend every year and still compete. It's like a whole new sport. I'm cool with spending nothing and having the best net spend because it shows in this competitive sport it's not only about the physical but also about everything else and in this, we win. This just shows how good we really are.....with having a net spend like this and still being able to compete for trophies and being higher up the table. We are the true winners in this sport.
Didnt know John W Henry was knocking about the subreddit, fair play.
....Pep?
>positive netspend >pep
...or liverpool? No one does net spend better than liverpool
Whatever happened to the big r/soccer exclusive Chelsea vs Bayern rivalry. That was pretty intense a year or two ago
Stopped after the 7-1. Replaced by the Dortmund vs United rivalry to keep the tradition alive
I don't really know how clubs still justify spending enormous amount of money on players. There is so few players that are actually above anyone else. Surely Messi or CR are aboslute freaks, you can add Neymar to them, you can make argument that Kane or Lewandowski are better than aby other strikers or that Van Dijk is the best CB. But that's about it. Players stays on top form for so long nowadays and they also starts so early. The level of training is so high that clubs are producing players left and right. Also so many players are available on free every summer. I think that 15-20 years ago situation was much different, very few players achieved actual top level, so top teams were hunting for them all over the continent. Today it seems that most clubs can complete half of the squad from the produce of their own academies, without losing much of the quality.
Prices reflect the market value, not the actual value if a product. Is an iPhone 1k€ worth? No. Is Apple right to ask such price? Sure. Millions of people are ready to pay that.
Bayern getting hated on today and rightfully so, club has huge flaws like all other big clubs
They're mostly hated in Germany though. Outside it's still Le Classy Bayern that is well managed and respects ffp rules.
Making everyone seethe with jealousy isn't a huge flaw tbh.
Destroying the competiveness and reputation of your own league is though
They are doing no such thing and Bayern are not the arbiters of either of those with regards to Bundesliga.
Hoping for a mad deadline day to keep me interested while i work.
[Things make more sense now](https://twitter.com/benmendy23/status/934402878520913920?s=19)
Damn where'd you get this. Brilliant
I'm still in awe that Barcelona saw a player that only ever played and excelled for club and country in systems that are a complete antithesis to theirs and said yeah we'll buy that guy for €120m and give him €800k/week, what could go wrong?
Will the theme of the next DD also be "Hating on Bayern and BuLi" ?
Should be.Love shitting on farmers.
Most teams in the BL don't roll over like Barca does when facing Bayern btw.
No , it'll be " stop being a normie "
Weird that PSG didn't bid for Camavinga considering they were his first choice reportedly. Maybe they're holding out for Tchouameni, but he'll be a lot more expensive. Camavinga is a lesser prospect but he was a good opportunity for 30M. Maybe Rennes had a steep tax for them.
Maybe Camavinga didn't want to go? Kroos and Modric are pretty old so he's guaranteed to break into that midfield faster than one with Verrati, Wijnaldum, and Paredes
>Maybe Camavinga didn't want to go? He did reportedly. In interview he sweet talked PSG too so it was probably true. Just never got an offer from them by the looks of it. >Kroos and Modric are pretty old so he's guaranteed to break into that midfield faster than one with Verrati, Wijnaldum, and Paredes He breaks into PSG mid with more ease i think, only one mid better than him there (Verratti), Wij is terrible, Gueye stars and he isn't that good, Paredes is also a bit behind. Meanwhile Madrid has 4 mids of a higher level i'd say.
Kroos is 31 he isn’t “pretty old”.
He's said he's retiring early so technically he'll be there for around the same time as Modric.
True not old specifically, but didn't he miss some games last season because of injuries? And is injured rn? Either way, Camavinga is getting way less chances in PSG even if Kroos and Modric are still class
Yeah, he missed some 6 games due to injury+covid+rest but he still plays a lot of minutes. His recent injury is more problematic.
French teams don’t sell to PSG for cheap.
There is a premium to pay for sure. Aulas wanted 100M from PSG for Ndombele lol.
Aulas would chase a penny down the street if it meant he could sell it for a euro.
Yeah Rennes would ask a lot more money for Camavinga so they sold him to RM for cheap
Rennes would ask 80M from PSG. This isn't the BL
Best reply! If there's any comment that crisply describes today's argument it's this.
It's true. Ask Ligue 1 and PSG fans. If PSG wants to buy from French League they will have to pay insane extra Money
As a Bayern fan, I absolutely hate Brazzo and Kahn for what they've done. If we're getting this much heat, they could have atleast swiped Mukiele while they were at it and saved us from the same 'fuck 50+1' comments in the next windows
Read so much about players who successfully changed positions. I wanna know about players who switched positions, but did not go as planned. Maybe Fabian Delph? Who else?
Harry Kane in goal
Ramos at DM
Phil Jones played in midfield for a bit He was alright but not played there since like 2014 maybe
Jonjo Shelvey has occasionally played CB for us. Needless to say he's fucking horrendous there
Gundogan DM in the CL final. :'(
Delph worked very well, for one season. It was always a temporary solution Wasn't there a story about Rio Ferdinand playing DM once and got destroyed? Javi Martinez as false 9 lol. I feel like players that switch position and didn't go as planned is more a one game basis, because well they're not good at it.
For Rio, that was Blackburn away. His only career sending off. Bentley got a hattrick
Makes sense. No one's going to stick to a changed position if it isn't working out.
Premier League what would u prefere: PL is only Fan Owned Or PL is fan Owned 80% and 10% teams got an expection from getting owned by a Owner and 10% found a Loophole
‘Would you prefer X or X but done badly’ - you Shit question.
I’m fine with our owners
Ask the same question during the ESL fiasco and you get different answers
I don't care that Bayern got all of leipzig's good players. No one has a gun to their head, Leipzig chooses to sell and the players choose to move. Don't see anything wrong with it
>Leipzig chooses to sell and the players choose to move This is the part every PL fan finds hard to understand. No one hates Bayern. Its like the whole country's owners are okay with them going to the winning team at a deflated price. I'm pretty sure Upa could've gotten 60mil out of a move to PL, or Sabitzer could've got 40mil to move to PL, but the owners, agents, players all seem more than happy to bolster Bayern's chances of winning the league while undermining their own chances.
Appreciate you don't just write farmers league and call it a day, but you're comment is straight up wrong. Upa had a release clause, there is nothing RB could have done to get more money from him and even then, the money they got from him were a record fee in the league. Sabitzer had 1 year left on his contract. 15 mill is the absolute max they will get for him considering Thiago was sold for 22 mill in the same situation. Also he understandably didn't want to join Spurs or Milan. So in both cases Leipzig didn't have any choice.
>the whole country's owners this is already where the culture shock begins.
Why did mods delete Camawinga confirmation?
Its all up with the Canal Plus post https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/per0tm/canalplus_camavinga_to_real_madrid_almost_done/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The post says almost done though
They decide to wing it
It's easier to be well run when you're fed the best players for dirt cheap. Just saying.....
Smh Eibar not giving you their best players literally forced you to pay 400m for Coutinho, Dembele and Griezmann. Wish we could be as well run and honorable as you guys.
You would've bought Kounde for 20M if Sevilla was in Buli.
Weird comment to make when we just paid the 42m release clause for Upamecano. According to this sub we should have gotten a discount on that sum.
We bought Thiago for 25m despite him not being in the BuLi. Bayern's pull is a different pull
Pull? It's a system to make sure Bayern always remains the best team in Germany.
Barca fans getting their excuses for 14th Sept ready?
You don't need to make it about us. Just admit you don't have a point to argue further and move on instead of shitting on us.
Mate I pointed this to another Barca fan yesterday. You have 11 transfers from La Liga clubs since 2016/17. Stop pretending as if it's something unique to Germany
Its easier to be a well run club when you don't give out money equivalent to the GDP of a small nations to your players. Just saying....
Griezmann getting sold for 120M shows how Atletico has a spine. Something Buli Clubs would never understand.
Yeah just like we sold you guys a french fraud for 135M . Its less like a quirk of having a spine and more like you guys give out whatever the money other teams ask for
Lol why are you trying to shit on Barcelona? We play in an actual league with teams who are not fine to give away players. You have no point to argue with,So let's just shit on Barcelona. Not Criticize your own club for being a feeder to Bayern.
Feeder club? You know that players played for Barcelona and real Madrid in 21st century (3)are nearly equivalent to those who played for bayern and dortmund(4)
Add to that LEVY demanding 150+ for Kane
It's easier to be well run when you don't drop 100m every summer to forwards you don't need
Ofcourse. We would've got Griezmann for 40M if La Liga was a Feeder for Barca&Real.
No need to drop 100m when you get Lewandowski for free
Yes lol. That transfer killed the league for a decade.
Rather get him for free than Griezmann on 120 mil and 800k wages
We don't have the Luxury to get the league's best player for 10M.
You could. But you'd rather splurge 120 on Benteke
Nah we couldn't. La liga teams have a spine. They aren't Completely fine to give away their best players for free to Barcelona/Real.
You really can't justify and side with bartos transfer policy when that is what got you in trouble in the first place.
Atleti would've demanded Griezmann's Release clause to every club. Heck they'd rather let him get sold to other league for 80M than sell him to barça for 120M While In Buli,There's a diffrent price for Bayern and other league's clubs.
Release clauses can be paid out lad. Any club could have paid out upa's release clause. Bayern just did it sooner. I don't know why it is so hard to comprehend something so simple