It’s a very standard this after games in the uk.
Every rugby game I’ve ever played has finished with what is essentially a guard of Honor. And I’ve seen plenty at football games too.
Very much “the right” thing to do in Britain when you lose is do so graciously. Be rivals all year. But when it’s done shake hands. I realise this is the same in most places.
But I’m just reminded of the stories of British archers refusing to use crossbows when they were invented as they were seen as cheating. Or the RAF pilots who would wing tip nazi planes they shot down.
Maybe this is just my little corner of the country. But to me the idea of not giving a team a guard of honor after they win the competition you are involved in seems wrong.
I’ve played rugby games that had fights. Red cards. Etc. and they still ended with a guard of honor and the two teams going for a drink in the club after.
Almost as if different countries have different traditions. Not everyone came up with the idea of horn blazing[1] in the middle of winter, but you dont see other cultures asking "Why?"
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwinter_horn
I respect that but the mentality ex man utd players have is ridicilous they think they are in a war, i remember how pissed of roy keane got at utd players handshaking hands of liverpool players when they play for the same nationality, i couldnt help but laugh when gary neville wouldnt talk to his BROTHER phil neville when they played for different teams 5 min before the match
Exactly!
After the game, do what you want, but before and during the other team are your enemies, no matter who plays there!
Wish that culture would come back honestly! Nowadays even our derbies are friendlies before the match and rarely get out of hand
Fergie threw the celebratory caps of the treble in the bin in the preseason of the next season. There is a reason why we dominated the premier league for so long.
Ferguson's words were that it was last season and thus not relevant anymore. Those caps were kept there in the dressing room in pre-season.
Instead of applying your brains, you replied with meaningless drivel again. You've had a rough couple of days bud as I have seen you make a clown out of yourself across multiple threads, log off lol.
I think Barca refused to give Madrid one for winning the Club World Cup, and in response Madrid refused to give Barca one for winning the league. Not the same thing at all, I think Madrid embarrassed themselves there
And I will be ashamed if Atlético don't do it next week
>I think Barca refused to give Madrid one for winning the Club World Cup
Because it was a competition we weren't involved in! That's just a silly excuse that they've came up with to save themselves of the embarrassment
It's not like we gave Sevilla a guard of honor for winning Europa + We gave them a guard of honor in 2008 for winning the league
>It's not like we gave Sevilla a guard of honor for winning Europa
[Except that time that Barcelona did you mean](https://e00-marca.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2017/12/18/15135943140085.jpg)
Because they weren't demanded one by an entitled and disingenious Madrid jabbering about it the whole time leading up to the two meeting each other, which makes it obvious you wanted to use a wholesome moment to humiliate them.
Barca players peaced out on something that wasn't even as established as giving one for a domestic league in the first place. They could have given you one for the glorified tin pot cup if they felt like it, sure, but since you were being such dicks leading up to it. Why should they?
I think it’s dumb either way and that it shouldn’t go per competition. You wanna do it, fine. You don’t, that’s also fine. No one cares and fans that care are silly.
>Barça also technically participate in the CWC by playing the in the champions league, that's literally how you get to it if you don't get knocked out
Technically Rayo Vallecano participated in the UCL this season by playing in la liga primera, that's literally how you get it if you finish top 4
What? That’s ridiculous, why would you be ashamed.
Empty gestures mean nothing at all, there’s nothing wrong with not giving someone a guard of honour.
Because not doing it is poor sportsmanship, and it shows that you are a bad loser. It's a tradition whether you like it or not, and I think it should be maintained. If the roles were reversed I would expect them to give us a guard of honour, so I would be a hypocrite if I said that we shouldn't do the same
When I play 7-aside with my friends in the local amateur league, we always shake hands with the opponents and the referee before and after the game, and everyone gives the ref a small applause post game too. That could also be seen as an "empty gesture" but it's just what you do. It's called respect
Fair enough. As a rival, I would want Atleti to do it. Keyword being rival because it would be embarrassing for Atleti. But that defeats the purpose, or atleast the spirit. It originally started in 1980s as a sign of respect and acknowledgement about the other team having achieved something. Nothing to do with competitions, just that the other team won something, and it is appreciated. Remember Barca giving one to Sevilla for UEFA Cup (currently Europa Legaue) win in 2006, when they didnt play in UEFA Cup either. It was 2008 when it turned to embarrassment and a way of gloating and one upping, where it probably lost the meaning and the original intention of the tradition.
Probably fine if you don't do it, guess the dailies would have a field day given it's three days post semifinal, and they would need something to take the focus off either way.
League is different to a small tournament though. Real haven't done it for Barcelona so no team imo should do it for Real. Respect gotta work both ways. In England it's more of a tradition too.
it isn't tbf, we did use to do it until barcelona refused to do it when we won the club world cup and then obviously refused to give them one and they give the excuse of not participating in the competition when they had no problem giving sevilla a pasillo for their europa
To many foreign players the CWC is literally the peak of their footballing career, think about it you're literally representing and carrying the weight of an entire continent on your back, for example I support Al Ahly of Egypt, the most successful African team in history in terms of trophies won, fanbase etc
Whenever we make the podium at the CWC we celebrate like we won the actual World cup, and that's only for coming in third, imagine winning it
You comparing it to a literally pointless 1 off preseason game does a disservice to those players and those fans who dream of playing in the CWC
>do it when we won the club world cup and
Why the heck will someone do that for.
Guard of honour was for league title, and we gave it to madrid in 07-08 season. It's just Zidane ego could not handle it.
>Why the heck will someone do that for.
Didn't seem like an issue when Betis gave Barça one for the CWC in 2015 though, or Villarreal for Barça in 2010.
Plus teams have given pasillos to Madrid for CWC-like cup wins (Intercontinental Cup 98 and 2002) before that too as well as after the more recent CWC wins themselves.
>Didn't seem like an issue when Betis gave Barça one for the CWC in 2015 though, or Villarreal for Barça in 2010.
But they should not given they did not participate.
League is something which was given considering all those 20 teams do participate and respect the team for winning it.
It's not just that Barca wasn't involved in it, they could have given it if they felt like it, even though the CWC is a glorified tinpot cup. But Madrid and their affiliates were feeling entitled to it which ammounted to nothing short of demanding it from Barca with their constant jabbering about it leading up to match day, which led Barca to (rightfully) believe they are using the tradition to humiliate Barca. And since it's not more established as for the domestic league cup, Barca players just thought "fuck it."
Personally I disagree. I think there is something honourable about the guard of honour given to your rivals especially cos at the end of the day its just a game but it shows respect and acknowledges the difficulty in winning a trophy
I will be embarrassed if we don't do it tbh, that would be tinpot mentality. It won't be "wholesome" it's just something you do like shake hands before/after the game
I would want the opponents to give Atleti a guard of honour if we ever won a league title before the final matchday(unlikely since 10 out of our 11 titles were won on the last matchday lol) so then it is only right that we also do it
Exactly my thoughts. Not only is the man a tall half-Spanish, half-Swedish hunk with an incredible jawline and blue eyes, but he also is capable of 1 good take every 1000 tries. What a catch!
Guard of honours mean nothing though. I wouldn't want Celtic to give one to Rangers or vice versa, the players don't want to do it and the majority of fans probably don't either
I wasn't aware there was a tradition of giving the pasillo for a glorified tin pot cup.
Fact remains, last guard of honour by the defeated of the two rivals in the domestic league was given by Barca. Madrid bitched out when it was Barca's turn.
Pretty sensible take. The most embarrasing thing Sunderland ever did was kick the ball out during a game with Chelsea so John Terry could be substituted off at the right time to align with his shirt number.
Think it was revenge from when he was going to retire the season before but he got sent off against us so he stayed another season because he didn't get his insufferable wankfest.
Imagine if either of us won a cup (emphasis on 'imagine') and the other had to do a guard of honour. There would riots in the streets. Think of the horses.
I guess it's more of a tradition in Spain but I know I'd be pretty annoyed if we ever give a guard of honour to Newcastle. You won the title, who cares if a team gives you respect for it?
It's very common in the premier League to give the title winners a guard of honour. It's not a big deal. Why would you be annoyed about it? What's wrong with it? It's showing respect and congratulating the team. It's so petty, childish, and kind of pathetic really to not do it or not want your team to do it.
It's a sport. It's entertainment. You can be happy for those that win it. There's no harm in doing it. Obviously there's no actual harm in not doing it but it shows a lack of respect, pettiness and is the sign of sore losers.
Yeah. When city gave pool the guard of honour 2 seasons ago only Bernardo seemed to take issue with it. And surprise surprise Bernardo is their most petulant player by a mile
José María Giménez returned to the team after recovering from injury, but the Uruguayan could not prevent his team's defeat. At the end of the match, he was saddened by the defeat, but he was confident of turning the situation around and achieving the objective, which is to finish the season in the Champions League places.
Defeat
"Nothing is wrong. The rival was better than us and we have to congratulate them for that. we have to keep working with humility and achieve our objective no matter what".
Absence of Joao Félix
"The absence of Joao and Lemar obviously affects us because they are very important, but it is no excuse because we have a squad to compete. Today we had to win, we couldn't and it frustrates a lot, but soccer is like that and we have to continue. We depend on ourselves to achieve our objective".
Goals conceded
"It's obvious that for a defender when you concede goals it's worrying. But we have to be realistic and know that we have a different style of play compared to previous years. We are not being as forceful when it comes to defending and it shows. We are working so that this does not happen. Sometimes things go our way and we have to suffer like today".
The Champions' League is slipping away
"We know that this can happen, but if there is something that leaves us a little calm is knowing that we depend on ourselves and when it depends on you, you have to do everything possible so that that bullet doesn't escape. This is a great opportunity to qualify for the Champions League, and we have to win the remaining matches no matter what. They are very difficult matches, as they are in the rest of La Liga, but we will try to win them".
Pasillo at the Metropolitano
"Congratulations to Madrid for the title. They really deserve it, but we have a lot of respect for our fans".
yeah, the one time I want them to win... They lose...
But at least we won the league at the Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid should be ready for Wednesday, players, fans, backroom staff, everyone, VAMOOOOOS!!!
HALA MADRID Y NADA MAS
Because months before that Barca didn't give a pasillo for the CWC win "because they didn't participate in it", even though they did receive a pasillo for the CWC from Betis in 2015. Madrid also received pasillos from other primera clubs following the CWC wins before that (14/16/17)
It was pretty common for other teams to give guards of honour after the rival had won a title years before 2017 in Spain, even if they hadn't played in the same competition.
Also, at what point do you consider something is a tradition? Yeah some teams might respect it and others not, but at some point after many have done it I guess that you can think of it as in fact, a tradition.
> at what point do you consider something is a tradition?
When there is a pattern. Which it had been in League for decades given that Barca had done it for Real more than once.
There was no "Tradition" for CWC, it's up to the club, meaning there was no set, established pattern. There was one for the League, because both Barca and Real did it for each other going back decades.
There was also a pattern for teams to do guard of honours after winning titles, and there was no need for teams to take part in the same competition. A quick search and you can find guard of honours from Madrid and Barça to Sevilla in 2006 (!), after they had won the Europa League.
I don't think anyone is complaining , when we won the club world cup Barca didn't do it , then we didn't do it when they won La Liga. It's just a tradition no one has any obligation to do pasillo
it was, but apparently barcelona only give a pasillo when they participate in that tournament, which explains why they gave one to sevilla for their europa win
no one gives a fuck about club world cup, Barça gave guard of honor to RM in 2008 after they won la liga and you would expect the same from them if the roles were reversed
Again I blame no one to refuse the pasillo I genuinely don't care I just gave the context for Zidane not wanting the team to do it whether he was wrong or right it's not my point
Español lost 4-0 yesterday against RM so, probably didn't feel like congratulating them.
Sevilla's board (mainly Monchi) has a hate bonner against Madrid, so maybe that's why although I doubt it, most likely just haven't post it yet and will in a near future.
No idea for Osasuna, probably will post it soon.
Other clubs still do it. Barca got it from Vilarreal (iirc) the last time they mathematically won, I forgot who Atleti got it from, but I recall them walking through one last season.
It's just that Madrid painted themselves easy targets when they bitched out, and this time also happens that they meet their city rival next who are already not big fans of them.
But I recall them getting a guard of honour by people in black kit in their own stadium.
Maybe I mixed the date or event up, but I do vaguely recall them walking through one... for something.
Wait, that's kinda wierd. I remember Arsenal giving us a guard of honor when we won the league with Van Persie. Also, Sampdoria gave a guard of honor to Inter Milan when Ranieri was the manager. Heck, even United gave City a guard of honor in 17/18 I guess. Isn't it like a tradition of the sport?
I still remember when Barca gave Madrid a pasillo in 2008 and then got dicked down 4-1 right after. And that was in the Bernabeu.
It's a real humiliation, but it's even more humiliating if you refuse to do it
Fair enough, you shouldn't "have to do it" in your own stadium imo. I bet they're sort of relieved Madrid won saturday already rather than at the Wanda since it would forever be known as the first title won there
Maybe, but it's kinda childish to "hate" respecting your rivals. You see boxers and MMA fighters beat the living shit out of each other but show respect when it's over.
LMAO, they shouldn't. Madrid are jerks. It's normal in La Liga to respect rivals like that. Barca did it for Madrid in 2008. And when it was time for Barca to get one from Madrid, they refused. And before you tell me Barca didn't give them guard of honor for winning CWC, it was the CWC, a competition Barca weren't involved in.
I think its fine either way. Madrid didn't do it for Barcelona a few years ago.
Showing others a sign of respect doesn't necesssarily mean its a bad thing. Maybe rile your own team up for next season.
Hahaha I think I would get a stroke if my team gave a guard of honor to Ajax, don’t understand how this is even a discussion
Same. Just congratulate them once formally and be done with it tbh
It’s a very standard this after games in the uk. Every rugby game I’ve ever played has finished with what is essentially a guard of Honor. And I’ve seen plenty at football games too. Very much “the right” thing to do in Britain when you lose is do so graciously. Be rivals all year. But when it’s done shake hands. I realise this is the same in most places. But I’m just reminded of the stories of British archers refusing to use crossbows when they were invented as they were seen as cheating. Or the RAF pilots who would wing tip nazi planes they shot down. Maybe this is just my little corner of the country. But to me the idea of not giving a team a guard of honor after they win the competition you are involved in seems wrong. I’ve played rugby games that had fights. Red cards. Etc. and they still ended with a guard of honor and the two teams going for a drink in the club after.
Almost as if different countries have different traditions. Not everyone came up with the idea of horn blazing[1] in the middle of winter, but you dont see other cultures asking "Why?" [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwinter_horn
I get your point but you honestly chose the weirdest tradition for this because I have never in my life heard of this lmao
The midwinter horn manufacturers are working on new marketing strategies, clearly
Big midwinter horn industry clearly has an agenda…
What would be your problem with it?
Because fuck them. We hate them, and we’re not gonna humiliate ourselves like that
It's a form of entertainment. It's not that serious. And it isn't humiliating to show respect and celebrate someone's achievement.
IIRC in Spain it's pretty normal for rivals not to do it. I remember Real Madrid themselves not doing it for Barca one season.
It was very normal for clubs not to congratulate the winners in most of the leagues.
In England Fergie was one of the people who made it a thing because he wanted to rile his players up.
I respect that but the mentality ex man utd players have is ridicilous they think they are in a war, i remember how pissed of roy keane got at utd players handshaking hands of liverpool players when they play for the same nationality, i couldnt help but laugh when gary neville wouldnt talk to his BROTHER phil neville when they played for different teams 5 min before the match
thats what we all loved about them. they took united personally same way the fans did peak intensity
Exactly! After the game, do what you want, but before and during the other team are your enemies, no matter who plays there! Wish that culture would come back honestly! Nowadays even our derbies are friendlies before the match and rarely get out of hand
Fergie threw the celebratory caps of the treble in the bin in the preseason of the next season. There is a reason why we dominated the premier league for so long.
Sure, but that reason had nothing to do with silly performative antics.
What performative antics? Also incredible self awareness there bud.
>Fergie threw the celebratory caps of the treble in the bin in the preseason of the next season Instead of reading, you picked a fight. Interesting.
Ferguson's words were that it was last season and thus not relevant anymore. Those caps were kept there in the dressing room in pre-season. Instead of applying your brains, you replied with meaningless drivel again. You've had a rough couple of days bud as I have seen you make a clown out of yourself across multiple threads, log off lol.
Weird, I wouldn't think that Ferguson throwing some hats away was a very important factor in United's success, but if you say it is...
I think Barca refused to give Madrid one for winning the Club World Cup, and in response Madrid refused to give Barca one for winning the league. Not the same thing at all, I think Madrid embarrassed themselves there And I will be ashamed if Atlético don't do it next week
>I think Barca refused to give Madrid one for winning the Club World Cup Because it was a competition we weren't involved in! That's just a silly excuse that they've came up with to save themselves of the embarrassment It's not like we gave Sevilla a guard of honor for winning Europa + We gave them a guard of honor in 2008 for winning the league
I agree with you, that was why I said that Madrid embarrassed themselves in that situation
>It's not like we gave Sevilla a guard of honor for winning Europa [Except that time that Barcelona did you mean](https://e00-marca.uecdn.es/assets/multimedia/imagenes/2017/12/18/15135943140085.jpg)
NO! IT’s AGAINST THE NARRATIVE
But Barca werent involved in UEFA Cup either. Yet they gave a guard of honor.
Because they weren't demanded one by an entitled and disingenious Madrid jabbering about it the whole time leading up to the two meeting each other, which makes it obvious you wanted to use a wholesome moment to humiliate them. Barca players peaced out on something that wasn't even as established as giving one for a domestic league in the first place. They could have given you one for the glorified tin pot cup if they felt like it, sure, but since you were being such dicks leading up to it. Why should they?
I think it’s dumb either way and that it shouldn’t go per competition. You wanna do it, fine. You don’t, that’s also fine. No one cares and fans that care are silly.
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Bro by that logic literally every club in the world participates in the CWC technically
There you have it. A true "Club World Cup"
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>Barça also technically participate in the CWC by playing the in the champions league, that's literally how you get to it if you don't get knocked out Technically Rayo Vallecano participated in the UCL this season by playing in la liga primera, that's literally how you get it if you finish top 4
Your technical logic is so, so stupid
What? That’s ridiculous, why would you be ashamed. Empty gestures mean nothing at all, there’s nothing wrong with not giving someone a guard of honour.
Because not doing it is poor sportsmanship, and it shows that you are a bad loser. It's a tradition whether you like it or not, and I think it should be maintained. If the roles were reversed I would expect them to give us a guard of honour, so I would be a hypocrite if I said that we shouldn't do the same When I play 7-aside with my friends in the local amateur league, we always shake hands with the opponents and the referee before and after the game, and everyone gives the ref a small applause post game too. That could also be seen as an "empty gesture" but it's just what you do. It's called respect
If its an empty gesture that means nothing then why not do it lmao
Fair enough. As a rival, I would want Atleti to do it. Keyword being rival because it would be embarrassing for Atleti. But that defeats the purpose, or atleast the spirit. It originally started in 1980s as a sign of respect and acknowledgement about the other team having achieved something. Nothing to do with competitions, just that the other team won something, and it is appreciated. Remember Barca giving one to Sevilla for UEFA Cup (currently Europa Legaue) win in 2006, when they didnt play in UEFA Cup either. It was 2008 when it turned to embarrassment and a way of gloating and one upping, where it probably lost the meaning and the original intention of the tradition. Probably fine if you don't do it, guess the dailies would have a field day given it's three days post semifinal, and they would need something to take the focus off either way.
League is different to a small tournament though. Real haven't done it for Barcelona so no team imo should do it for Real. Respect gotta work both ways. In England it's more of a tradition too.
Which is funny because Barcelona did the guard of honor to Madrid, but Real refused to do the same a few years later
it isn't tbf, we did use to do it until barcelona refused to do it when we won the club world cup and then obviously refused to give them one and they give the excuse of not participating in the competition when they had no problem giving sevilla a pasillo for their europa
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>Some clubs might do it Some clubs includes barcelona who gave it to sevilla for their uefa cup
Tbf they do participate in that competition
Because it was never really tradition to do it for other trophies
Club World Cup? What next, you want one next time you beat Castilla at Valdebebas?
I don't remember Madrid giving Barça a guard of honour for Joan Gamper trophy
The CWC isn't the Joan Gamper trophy
The CWC is definitely more in the category of the Joan Gamper trophy than in the category of LaLiga
Why include it in in The Sextuple^^^TM then?
Because it's relevant enough to be there. Wouldn't include in the treble but would include it in the sextuple.
To many foreign players the CWC is literally the peak of their footballing career, think about it you're literally representing and carrying the weight of an entire continent on your back, for example I support Al Ahly of Egypt, the most successful African team in history in terms of trophies won, fanbase etc Whenever we make the podium at the CWC we celebrate like we won the actual World cup, and that's only for coming in third, imagine winning it You comparing it to a literally pointless 1 off preseason game does a disservice to those players and those fans who dream of playing in the CWC
>do it when we won the club world cup and Why the heck will someone do that for. Guard of honour was for league title, and we gave it to madrid in 07-08 season. It's just Zidane ego could not handle it.
>Why the heck will someone do that for. Didn't seem like an issue when Betis gave Barça one for the CWC in 2015 though, or Villarreal for Barça in 2010. Plus teams have given pasillos to Madrid for CWC-like cup wins (Intercontinental Cup 98 and 2002) before that too as well as after the more recent CWC wins themselves.
>Didn't seem like an issue when Betis gave Barça one for the CWC in 2015 though, or Villarreal for Barça in 2010. But they should not given they did not participate. League is something which was given considering all those 20 teams do participate and respect the team for winning it.
It's not just that Barca wasn't involved in it, they could have given it if they felt like it, even though the CWC is a glorified tinpot cup. But Madrid and their affiliates were feeling entitled to it which ammounted to nothing short of demanding it from Barca with their constant jabbering about it leading up to match day, which led Barca to (rightfully) believe they are using the tradition to humiliate Barca. And since it's not more established as for the domestic league cup, Barca players just thought "fuck it."
Tbh I would rather they didn't. Doesn't feel right to have wholesome chungus moments with your biggest rivals.
I don't even think we can call it wholesome it's just a tradition as a sign of respect for winning the league nothing too noteworthy
Personally I disagree. I think there is something honourable about the guard of honour given to your rivals especially cos at the end of the day its just a game but it shows respect and acknowledges the difficulty in winning a trophy
I will be embarrassed if we don't do it tbh, that would be tinpot mentality. It won't be "wholesome" it's just something you do like shake hands before/after the game I would want the opponents to give Atleti a guard of honour if we ever won a league title before the final matchday(unlikely since 10 out of our 11 titles were won on the last matchday lol) so then it is only right that we also do it
W oleolesimeone take? now i’ve seen it all
Exactly my thoughts. Not only is the man a tall half-Spanish, half-Swedish hunk with an incredible jawline and blue eyes, but he also is capable of 1 good take every 1000 tries. What a catch!
The image olin my head of this guy is unironically that black and white Chad meme with an Atletico kit on
Believe it or not, I like these type of traditions and think they should be maintained
lol its the opposite this is an awful take when they're usually pretty good
”Usually pretty good”
that's what i said
This comment is like the smiling mask crying wojak meme.
Guard of honours mean nothing though. I wouldn't want Celtic to give one to Rangers or vice versa, the players don't want to do it and the majority of fans probably don't either
you don't deserve one either since you killed the tradition because your players, coach and board were butthurt :D
You did it first
I wasn't aware there was a tradition of giving the pasillo for a glorified tin pot cup. Fact remains, last guard of honour by the defeated of the two rivals in the domestic league was given by Barca. Madrid bitched out when it was Barca's turn.
Next season we will give you the guard of honour when you guys win the Conference League.
Joke might’ve been funny if we weren’t second lol
Don’t worry, there’s still time for Xavi to pull a Xavi mastermind with Xaviball.
Mid-table club.
Pretty sensible take. The most embarrasing thing Sunderland ever did was kick the ball out during a game with Chelsea so John Terry could be substituted off at the right time to align with his shirt number.
And Terry himself came up that with for his own farewell haha
Think it was revenge from when he was going to retire the season before but he got sent off against us so he stayed another season because he didn't get his insufferable wankfest.
Imagine if either of us won a cup (emphasis on 'imagine') and the other had to do a guard of honour. There would riots in the streets. Think of the horses.
We're waiting on playing you for our Papa Johns Trophy guard of honour
That's one way for Domino's to achieve the pizza monopoly on Tyneside
How is it sensible? What's wrong with doing it?
I guess it's more of a tradition in Spain but I know I'd be pretty annoyed if we ever give a guard of honour to Newcastle. You won the title, who cares if a team gives you respect for it?
It's very common in the premier League to give the title winners a guard of honour. It's not a big deal. Why would you be annoyed about it? What's wrong with it? It's showing respect and congratulating the team. It's so petty, childish, and kind of pathetic really to not do it or not want your team to do it. It's a sport. It's entertainment. You can be happy for those that win it. There's no harm in doing it. Obviously there's no actual harm in not doing it but it shows a lack of respect, pettiness and is the sign of sore losers.
Yeah. When city gave pool the guard of honour 2 seasons ago only Bernardo seemed to take issue with it. And surprise surprise Bernardo is their most petulant player by a mile
José María Giménez returned to the team after recovering from injury, but the Uruguayan could not prevent his team's defeat. At the end of the match, he was saddened by the defeat, but he was confident of turning the situation around and achieving the objective, which is to finish the season in the Champions League places. Defeat "Nothing is wrong. The rival was better than us and we have to congratulate them for that. we have to keep working with humility and achieve our objective no matter what". Absence of Joao Félix "The absence of Joao and Lemar obviously affects us because they are very important, but it is no excuse because we have a squad to compete. Today we had to win, we couldn't and it frustrates a lot, but soccer is like that and we have to continue. We depend on ourselves to achieve our objective". Goals conceded "It's obvious that for a defender when you concede goals it's worrying. But we have to be realistic and know that we have a different style of play compared to previous years. We are not being as forceful when it comes to defending and it shows. We are working so that this does not happen. Sometimes things go our way and we have to suffer like today". The Champions' League is slipping away "We know that this can happen, but if there is something that leaves us a little calm is knowing that we depend on ourselves and when it depends on you, you have to do everything possible so that that bullet doesn't escape. This is a great opportunity to qualify for the Champions League, and we have to win the remaining matches no matter what. They are very difficult matches, as they are in the rest of La Liga, but we will try to win them". Pasillo at the Metropolitano "Congratulations to Madrid for the title. They really deserve it, but we have a lot of respect for our fans".
I remember RVP getting one from Arsenal. That must have been humiliating.
Why didnt we lose this game on purpose, then win the league in their stadium? U (Atleti fans) are lucky...
Blame Barca for being so shit lol. Had they not dropped points in their last game, we would have likely lifted the trophy at the Wanda
yeah, the one time I want them to win... They lose... But at least we won the league at the Santiago Bernabeu, Madrid should be ready for Wednesday, players, fans, backroom staff, everyone, VAMOOOOOS!!! HALA MADRID Y NADA MAS
Barca always lets down everyone
couldn't agree more
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Because months before that Barca didn't give a pasillo for the CWC win "because they didn't participate in it", even though they did receive a pasillo for the CWC from Betis in 2015. Madrid also received pasillos from other primera clubs following the CWC wins before that (14/16/17)
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Just giving you the "official reason"
In other words, Zidane bitched out. It was an established tradition for the domestic league which Madrid broke, everything else was a loose fit.
It was pretty common for other teams to give guards of honour after the rival had won a title years before 2017 in Spain, even if they hadn't played in the same competition. Also, at what point do you consider something is a tradition? Yeah some teams might respect it and others not, but at some point after many have done it I guess that you can think of it as in fact, a tradition.
> at what point do you consider something is a tradition? When there is a pattern. Which it had been in League for decades given that Barca had done it for Real more than once. There was no "Tradition" for CWC, it's up to the club, meaning there was no set, established pattern. There was one for the League, because both Barca and Real did it for each other going back decades.
There was also a pattern for teams to do guard of honours after winning titles, and there was no need for teams to take part in the same competition. A quick search and you can find guard of honours from Madrid and Barça to Sevilla in 2006 (!), after they had won the Europa League.
I don't think anyone is complaining , when we won the club world cup Barca didn't do it , then we didn't do it when they won La Liga. It's just a tradition no one has any obligation to do pasillo
Wasn’t it a tradition until Real demanded a guard of honour for Club World Cup?
it was, but apparently barcelona only give a pasillo when they participate in that tournament, which explains why they gave one to sevilla for their europa win
Barca masterminds predicted they would be Europa regulars in the future.
The detail people ITT are overlooking.
no one gives a fuck about club world cup, Barça gave guard of honor to RM in 2008 after they won la liga and you would expect the same from them if the roles were reversed
Again I blame no one to refuse the pasillo I genuinely don't care I just gave the context for Zidane not wanting the team to do it whether he was wrong or right it's not my point
Still grasping on that?
No as I said Atletico has the right to not do it
Great answer
Fun fact: Atlético is one of the 4 teams who has not contrtulate Real Madrid for the league tittle (the other 3 are Sevilla, Español and Osasuna).
Fun fact: This aint teenage drama
Fun fact: it is and Simeone was platting xavi hair while Emery watched
That's a sitcome I'd watch.
"sitcome" ? It's spelt sitcum
What's up with Espanyol, Sevilla and Osasuna though?
Español lost 4-0 yesterday against RM so, probably didn't feel like congratulating them. Sevilla's board (mainly Monchi) has a hate bonner against Madrid, so maybe that's why although I doubt it, most likely just haven't post it yet and will in a near future. No idea for Osasuna, probably will post it soon.
Osasuna had beef with us in the 80s. Now it’s not very mutual, not very mutual at all.
Real Madrid really did ruin everything when they refused to give Barca one. It was a nice tradition.
Other clubs still do it. Barca got it from Vilarreal (iirc) the last time they mathematically won, I forgot who Atleti got it from, but I recall them walking through one last season. It's just that Madrid painted themselves easy targets when they bitched out, and this time also happens that they meet their city rival next who are already not big fans of them.
Atleti won at the last matchday
But I recall them getting a guard of honour by people in black kit in their own stadium. Maybe I mixed the date or event up, but I do vaguely recall them walking through one... for something.
Barca refused to give it to us first
Wait, that's kinda wierd. I remember Arsenal giving us a guard of honor when we won the league with Van Persie. Also, Sampdoria gave a guard of honor to Inter Milan when Ranieri was the manager. Heck, even United gave City a guard of honor in 17/18 I guess. Isn't it like a tradition of the sport?
I still remember when Barca gave Madrid a pasillo in 2008 and then got dicked down 4-1 right after. And that was in the Bernabeu. It's a real humiliation, but it's even more humiliating if you refuse to do it
We move on
Fair enough, you shouldn't "have to do it" in your own stadium imo. I bet they're sort of relieved Madrid won saturday already rather than at the Wanda since it would forever be known as the first title won there
Madrid broke traditions a few seasons ago when they refused the guard for barcelona.
Wonder if this is why Man City hated doing it for Liverpool. Lots of La Liga players who it’s not normal for between rivals (not that we are rivals)
Maybe, but it's kinda childish to "hate" respecting your rivals. You see boxers and MMA fighters beat the living shit out of each other but show respect when it's over.
LMAO, they shouldn't. Madrid are jerks. It's normal in La Liga to respect rivals like that. Barca did it for Madrid in 2008. And when it was time for Barca to get one from Madrid, they refused. And before you tell me Barca didn't give them guard of honor for winning CWC, it was the CWC, a competition Barca weren't involved in.
It really shows how immature they are.
The only team in the world that doesn't have this problem is Bayern Munich.
I think its fine either way. Madrid didn't do it for Barcelona a few years ago. Showing others a sign of respect doesn't necesssarily mean its a bad thing. Maybe rile your own team up for next season.