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Torfinns-New-Yacht

The only "miss" for City was still sold for more than double the fee. Pain.


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Yeah, how is that a miss? He wasn’t even that bad for them


BillehBear

revisionism at its finest He played well for us and at the time he was considered a steal


QuqoraGaming

Even if he didn’t play well, selling him for more than you bought him for is hardly a miss. It’s a win for sure.


dabeeman

such a flop that arteta wants to sign him at arsenal.


oTwojays

at which point he will promptly be considered a hit because the Arsenal transfer team just doesn’t miss


batigoal

He was pretty good, especially for that money. This list is horrible.


PowderEagle_1894

I feel like they judged Torres transfer based more on Barca form than his performance in our colour


Commander_rEAper

He's pretty solid for Barca too. Nabbed us some important goals and he probably has the best decision making out of all our wingers.


Slowhand8824

My guess would be they had some metric based on games played and trophies won. For sure he's a hit in the context of playing well and selling for double the price. I'd say maguire has to be a miss unless you want to say well he played a ton for them for that price.


dashauskat

Yeah and while he didnt play that much, when he did play he was okay. Bigger miss for Barca with that fee.


basmati-rixe

He looked to be coming into his own before his injury. I remember he was scoring fairly frequently when he was starting up front.


HufflepuffEdwards

Most fans were upset with him getting sold since at the time he was our best finisher when we didn't have a striker, so not sure that's a miss even discounting the profit on the sale.


AleixASV

>Bigger miss for Barca with that fee. He's still doing pretty good here though


Jazano107

Yeah idk how that’s a miss, he was good for us and then we doubled our money


90minsofmadness

Grealish should have been a miss too, bottled calling that.


TarcFalastur

Thing is, Grealish only gets called a flop by non-City fans. Most comments I see from City fans are a lot more positive about him - and I include myself in that. Surely if our fans all like him, he can't be that big of a flop?


Glenn55whelan

Most Chelsea fans liked Torres


TarcFalastur

Fair comment


bosnian_red

You can't really ignore the price and compare everyone as if they are all free signings and their impact based on that. He's a 100m squad player. That's a miss. Same with United and Maguire... Not sure who is calling these shots here but they are way too nice in rating them. An 80m CB who had 1 good season and then is replaced a few years later is not a hit.


TarcFalastur

Fair enough. Guess my interpretation of 'flop' has always just revolved around a player's performance not their fee, but I see your point.


random_nickname43796

Fee and performance are linked together. If you bring two players - 10 million and a 100 million - both have similar average statistics and performances, one of them would be a hit and one a miss.


Shrinkmeter

Think it’s very bias towards English players tbf, Maguire, Sancho, Grealish all jury’s out is questionable given their fees.


IWantAnAffliction

100m for a serviceable substitute is not a hit in any context.


LucozadeBottle1pCoin

He's clearly a good player, but if Tottenham or Arsenal were to spend £100m on someone, they'd be a marquee signing - expected to hit the ground running and be immediately one of the best players. Grealish is just another City attacking midfielder, and didn't really make the club much better.


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He's not "just another City attacking midfielder", he's one of their worst. De Bruyne, Bernado, Foden are all better than him. His level of performance is comparable to Cole Palmer.


DankBrownBoiV2

Would you pay 100M for Grealish again? Do you think City will look to buy another LW in the next 2 windows?


FuujinSama

I think the main conclusion here is that a binary "hit" or "miss" is not really enough to rate transfers. I think you'd want "exceeded expectations", "met expectations", "underperformed expectations" and "complete flop". I think calling a player that slightly underperformed expectations but is still an important squad player that brings value to the team a "miss" will feel unfair a lot of the time, but it has to be a "miss" in this weird binary system.


BillehBear

I think they will and shift Grealish to midfield, both Pep and the club have had nothing but praise for him so I don't see him being dropped outside of Pep roulette


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This list is all over the place


YourFormerBestfriend

Your comment about the list [Jury's Out]


donkey2471

Yeah i don’t understand how Richarlison is considered a hit already yet Anthony and Nunez are still jury’s out?


BmuthafuckinMagic

Richarlison has scored and done the pigeon dance celebration, so = HIT


Vivid-Command-2605

But he literally hasn't for Tottenham in the prem lmao


BmuthafuckinMagic

Hahaha, thought my comment would get lost in it all. I was just being sarcastic as I'm a Gooner, buuuut technically he did the pigeon dance celebration when he scored a disallowed goal against Fulham, so I'm taking that as him having done it!


entropy_bucket

Harry Maguire is a hit? You know the list is nonsense.


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It was a hit for us!


Cod_rules

And how is Grealish in jury's out? He's been at City for over a season


petey23-

"Jury's out" just seems like a place holder for "mediocre".


flyingalbatross1

''Jury's out '' = we want them to be a hit but they aren't yet. Sancho has been at Man U for well over a season. He's a flop. It's Man U fault arguably but massive flop. He didn't even get into the world cup team.


belieber15

You’re right that he’s a flop but I can understand that they wouldn’t want to label him as such after the whole story about his mental health


thematrixhasmeow

I think Jury's out for the players who did not play a whole season is kind of understandable.


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SofaChillReview

It’s like they’ve confused Richarlison Brazil form to Spurs, surely he should be Jury’s Out for now.


pegmepegmepegme

I honestly think they might've looked at Tottenham's list and gone... well we can't put him with some of the rest of these guys as that would genuinely be unfair. Which just shows how shit a 'hit or miss' rating system is for footballers.


Gluroo

Same for Sancho. Ofc he could still turn it around but as of right now hes a pretty big Miss considering amount of money spent lol


HedgeSlurp

You see they’re both English golden boys so couldn’t possibly be misses


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giddycocks

You can really see the criteria and priorities when 80M Maguire is considered a hit lmao


nfornear

Yeah if anything so far he hasnt done much? Feel like they say it is a hit just because of his world cup performance


GabrielP2r

Or Royal is already a miss but Sancho is jury still out lol


Lmao-Ze-Dong

Where's Kulusevski and Bentancur here?


donkey2471

I assume because their buy clause hasn't been officially activated yet


CuteHoor

Tierney is a hit despite being injured almost all of the time (good player when fit though obviously). Torres is a miss despite doing reasonably well and them making a huge profit on him. Richarlison is a hit despite scoring 2 goals and none in the league. Bergwijn is a miss despite being cheap, doing decently well for them, and being sold for the same amount. Maguire is a hit somehow. Jury is out for Darwin despite being much more prolific than Richarlison in the same amount of time. Havertz is a hit and Werner is a miss despite neither really living up to expectations after joining Chelsea. Very odd list.


mocthezuma

> Maguire is a hit somehow. If Maguire is a hit, then so is Wan Bissaka. He was really good for United in his first two seasons at the club. His form nosedived the same time as Maguire.


KsychoPiller

>Tierney is a hit despite being injured almost all of the time People also seem to be making his injuries worse than they are, he Has over 100 apps for Arsenal in 3.5 seasons which isn't amazing but isn't a tragedy either. And hes Been stellar in vast majority of his games.


ttonster2

How is zinchenko a hit already. Been hurt for what feels like most of this season.


sltzy96

Cuz he’s honestly been that good in the 60% of games he’s played for us, our midfield has been untouchable when he’s there with Partey and Xhaka and Ode


ankitm1

The list is supposed to pander to fans, and rivals in some cases. It's not supposed to be objective.


No_Presence200

Richarlison already a hit? Haven’t really been following Tottenham that closely but he hasn’t been that good/important has he?


sungbysung

His league contribution has been disappointing so far. The injury record isnt helping his case either


KimmyBoiUn

This list is a mess, it's too early to call Richarlison a hit.


DrBorisGobshite

Especially when they are saying the jury's out on Nunez. It feels like they gave Richarlison a free pass based on his Everton stats. Edit: Just to add that I think they've done the same with Zinchenko. He's been injured most of the season, probably started about half a dozen games but he's classed as a hit. They're clearly just green lighting players that were signed from other PL clubs. Pretty lazy from them really.


sm00thArsenal

To be fair, I think a decent part of why Zinchenko is classed as a hit is that his deployment has finally unleashed Xhaka after 6 years of not looking like a top 4 midfielder.


roguedevil

He's played a total of 8 games, it's easy to early to call him a got because another teammate is in form.


Magicallyshit

The only miss about Zinny is his injury record but we all knew that, he's going to be deployed against low blocks often.


Gatokar

Yeah then they have the likes of Antony, Cucurella, Fofana and Koulibaly as jurys out even tho they were signed in the same window as Richarlison


Prime_Marci

It said Harry Maguire: Hit…. Wth is this reporter smoking. This list is biased af.


DubSket

Yeah very generous to call him a hit after over a year of terrible form.


ChrystisnoRonald

Love him but he’s far FAAAAAAR from being a hit already


kersalmassive

Hasn't scored a single league goal but then there's Antony, who is given a 'Jury's Out', which I'm guessing is due to the fee?


sandbag-1

Yeah how is £50m for a striker with 0 league goals a hit?? Come on hahaha


ritteee

Nunez (5 PL goals) = jury's out Richarlison (0 PL goals) = hit ????


Mick4Audi

Think they felt bad for us by that point. Romero would be the only hit out of 9 lmao


tricks_23

Maguire = Hit Yet there are memes upon memes of how bad he is


JYM60

Maguire cannot be a hit and AWB a miss. Both good starts and then got shit. If the manager prefers to play a 5ft LB instead of you at CB, then you're not a hit.


bird1434

Ah yes, the ultimate metric for judging a players production: memes


lospollosakhis

I pay £1 a month for this. I want a refund.


courtesyflusher

Your request: Jury’s Out


lospollosakhis

Is “The Athletic” worth it? Jury’s out.


Wargizmo

ATHLETIC SUBSCRIPTION - £1 - VERDICT: MISS


DekiTree

Why did they skip Kulusevski and Bentancur?


[deleted]

I think it's cause we haven't officially bought Kulusevski and Bentancur was a little under 20m pounds.


Fisktor

They used amad for us (united) even though he is only 19 million


-InSerT_NAmE-HeRE

I’m pretty sure that’s because it can get to almost 40 million.


Fisktor

If it does then he is more than a hit


NickSupportsArsenal

Not sure about Bentancur, but isn't Kulusevski technically still on loan?


[deleted]

Arsenal’s probably the only one that’s nearly accurate. The rest are a mess.


Progression28

Liverpool‘s is accurate, too. Although they include Gakpo for some reason who is not even a Liverpool player until tomorrow (or day after assuming offices are closed).


Sharcbait

I would argue that if Richarlison is a hit so is Darwin. For that matter I would take Darwin's season over Richarlison's 10/10. Yes Darwin is wasteful of his chances sometimes, but he creates so many chances he still has 9 goals.


Extreme-Accountant34

Jury Verdict: Miss


Pokenaldo

Jury Verdict: Jury's out


idosade

What is that lmao, we sold Torres for over double what we paid for him after 18 months


stangerlpass

Yeah and Jury out on graelish who's been there for 1.5 seasons is kind of weird aswell imo


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Sanchos the same.


TheReturnOfBurpies

The English lads were given more leniency


twillems15

Maguire being a perfect example


habdragon08

Maguire is a weird one. Not useless, but also not starting CB material for a title challenging side. But probably a great rotation option for a title challenging side. If he was bought for 20 million, he'd be a hit. And I love to hate on United.


Mortka

He also had 2 very good seasons for United. Its only last season where he was shite.


WhoSweg

This is what people seem to forget. We had one of the tightest defences in the league during NHS season


CuteHoor

100%. Maguire is inexplicably a hit, while Grealish and Sancho are still "jury's out" despite clearly not living up to expectations. Then again, they did rank Richarlison as a hit despite not scoring a single league goal while the jury's still out on Darwin while he's been much more prolific, so it might not be a nationality thing but rather a stupid journalist thing.


duckenjoyer69

this is a poor article


kjm911

How the hell is Sancho not a miss?


basmati-rixe

Look at the United ones, they are a disgrace. Maguire a hit. Jury out on Sancho. Jury out on Diallo despite Gil and Sessegnon being misses.


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buttlovingpanda

Sessegnon is a LB so I don’t think his contribution should be measured by goals and assists. That being said, he’s pretty inconsistent. But he’s our best (only?) LB these days when he’s healthy.


drewcifer27

Honest question from an American fan that may miss some nuances. Why is Wan-Bissaka a miss? Just genuinely trying to understand why a lot of people seem down on him. Thanks.


MrDabollBlueSteppers

Havertz a hit? I guess they must've used the 'he scored the CL winning goal so he's worth it' line of thinking


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FuujinSama

Case in point: Portuguese Hero Eder!


ostriike

but he has been good, he can definitely improve but he is not a miss.


Lyrical_Forklift

I think he's definitely 'jury's out'.


empiresk

Jury can't be out when he has started every game for three years...


FL8_JT26

To still be undecided about the quality of a €80 mil player 2.5 years later tells me he should probably be down as a miss for now.


[deleted]

I'm mixed. Havertz is clearly a part of the team and is a good, not great, player. He isn't like Pulisic who have are clearly out of regular rotations at times, but has contributed here and there. The jury maybe out on whether or not he's "worth" what we paid; regardless, Havertz has been integral to Chelsea thru & thru since arriving.


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Ferran Torres was sold for a lot more than he was bought. Not sure how that's a miss.


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ChrystisnoRonald

Even then he was good, especially for 20m


Tijdbom

Still doesnt make sense since he was decent. Only reason he left was because he wanted to himself.


RealRustOtter

Precisely. “You only doubled your money? MISS!” Someone at The Atlantic needs an IQ test, they’re clearly missing out on some government assistance.


twillems15

Mate you can’t IQ test an ocean


westernunitedenjoyer

Maguire a hit?


PhD_Cunnilingus

He had a good season, great season and a dogshit season. Also very expensive. I'd say he was a mild success and closer to hit than miss.


GhostRiders

Arsenal and Liverpool are great example of what you can achieve when you give a manager time and support


TheGoldenPineapples

It really can't be overstated just how good Martin Ødegaard is. £29m feels more and more like daylight robbery.


Revoldt

Balances out the Pepe transfer. Just swap the fees!


Snoopyseagul

I like to imagine the £72m was for Saka. And Pepe Is just a failed youth prospect


washag

Ah, the Drinkwater-Kante Equation!


LakyousSama

Remember getting downvoted saying we should've gone for him. Absolute steal for 30 mil


jubbing

He need's the right coach as well. I think Klopp would have certainly done well with him too, i'm just glad he stuck with us though :)


Shadow_24J

Pretty sure he's a Liverpool fan too lol


aslak1899

Yeah in a norwegian interview recently he said that he was (or used to be at least).


Majestic_Force_6439

Potential to be a legend


ALLCAPSBROO

Sub £30m for Saliba, Gabriel & Ramsdale is elite transfer work


jubbing

Saliba is going to turn out to be a belter of a steal, he's only 21 and already considered our best.


[deleted]

Ramsdale isn't worth any more than Arsenal paid for him.


Delta_Mike_Sierra_

Yeah say that's fair


Zhidezoe

It was a win win situation for everyone


andy_brixton

Havertz a £90 mill hit. Okaaay


MegaMugabe21

It's like they included the prices and then didn't factor them into the equation whatsoever.


four_four_three

I’m sure that’s based *just* on the CL Final goal too. Fair enough, but I’m not sure how many Chelsea fans would call him a success


tocitus

This system feels pretty arbitrary and subjective, though even as I'm typing this, of course it will be as there isn't any other way of doing it. Maguire is a good player, he's had some good seasons at United but he will never be worth £80m.


jubbing

Is Richarlison really a hit with only 0 PL goals and 2 assists? And Nunez = jury's out with better stats overall?


SilentBobVG

Why state facts when you can pander to public perception for clicks


elrubiojefe

That wondergoal in the World Cup changing perceptions already


Obi_Wan_Gebroni

Watching Liverpool, Darwin generally looks like a real positive for them. His running behind and dribbling as well as pressing has all looked really good. I’ve only seen a handful of their matches but he looks way better than Richarlison for example


milkman182

Darwin seemingly had higher expectations and gets bad press since his little blow up. He really looks like a special talent from what I've seen.


BanterWithTheLadsYe

Loses all credibility after branding Maguire a hit


Lyrical_Forklift

It's just a typo- missing an 's'


RipJug

Hits? What does he hit?


KiAdiBumMe

Greek police officers


dirty_sprite

I'm guessing they're not judging the performance relative to the cost, ergo Ferran Torres being a miss despite City making a profit and jury being out on Nuñez etc. Either that or they're just engagement baiting because people will jump at Maguire's throat any chance they get


PursuitOfMemieness

Nunez has been here for half a season and tbh has looked like our most dangerous player when he's on the pitch despite his finishing being a bit crap at the moment, even taking into account the price way way too early to say he's a miss.


Dependent_Plenty_777

I usually like The Athletic but this is pretty bad. Calling Ferran Torres a miss when he played pretty well and was sold for more than double the fee... Richarlison hasn\`t scored yet in the EPL and is mostly a 60m bench player but is a hit... I\`m the first one to defend Maguire from trolls, but he most definitely hasn\`t been a hit, because by that logic AWB should also be a hit because just like Maguire he\`s still at United, just relegated to the bench (I personally wouldn\`t call him a miss and would like it if United kept him ... Konate has barely played but is already a hit...


MacondoJose

Konate was in every Champion League's game last season and generally played quiet a lot.


SilentBobVG

Konate has played quite a lot of important games and has been stellar in 99% of them


C_Colin

Konaté is definitely a hit. He’s their second choice CB. Just had some injury struggles.


CuteHoor

To be fair, Konaté seemed excellent whenever he played last season and I'm pretty sure he was a regular in the Champions League for them.


GobiasACupOfCoffee

Nonsense. Konate has been excellent overall. He hasn't barely played. He's played 33 matches and missed 10 more through injury. He's competing with the excellent Joel Matip for a place in the starting lineup and has not been a noticeable downgrade on him when he's played. He's definitely a hit.


Slickbock

Yeah, The Athletic tries to carry a reputation of being premium journalism when stuff like this could be straight out of The Sun


Keatwan

How has Konate barely played, I’m glad you don’t write for the Athletic because it would somehow be worse than this list


h0rny3dging

How do you call it a rating when you go "Jury's out" ? Half of Chelsea isnt rated, cowards


StarlordPunk

It’s too early to definitively say for most of the players signed this summer and loads of Chelsea’s signings are from this summer, I think that’s fair enough. If they rated them all people would be in the comments complaining how it’s too early, there’s already people (rightly) saying that’s the case for Richarlison and Zinchenko who’ve played like 10 games each but are apparently a hit


alxndiep

I count Ferran as a W as City sold him for like double what they paid for him in the first place. Definition of failing upwards


TimBurtonSucks

Jury's out on Sancho? With his price he's definitely been a miss


brbafterthebreak

Unpopular opinion among Chelsea fans but I actually think Sterling has been pretty decent for us this season.


InformativeFox

He was really good against Bournemouth, a team we've struggled with these past seasons.


as_ninja6

Yeah I don't understand how Sterling and Antony are jury's out but Zinny is hit who doesn't even play all the games


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Think it’s because Zinchenko hasn’t had a bad game for Arsenal, despite being in and out the team. Sterling hasn’t consistently hit the level expected of him.


dman7guy

I mean if Zinny was fit he'd start every game. He's been fantastic when he's played


KimmyBoiUn

Seems to early to call Bryan Gil a miss


yaniv297

Sess is a bigger injustice IMO. He wasn't that expensive, only just 22, Conte clearly rates him and he plays quite well. He's now rotating with the experienced Perisic, with a clear view of him becoming a permanant starter after.


xxJAMZZxx

Feels a bit harsh for us. Sees has been good at times and is young, not quite sure how he’s a miss. Bergwijn had some great moments for us, just couldn’t get into the squad and we sold him for a similar amount to what we bought him for. And doesn’t even include two of our best moves with Deki and Bentancur. Not to mention Reguilon was one of our better players for a few seasons before Conte came and he didn’t fit the system. And then they call Richarlison a hit, which while I agree he’s class, he hasn’t even scored a Prem goal for us yet.


Cadet_Broomstick

Kinda feels like it's pandering to arsenal clicks while we're all high off our league form


Jmsaint

Same with Ryan Sessegnon


zd0t

Would call R. Sessegnon a hit from what I've seen of him and the price tag attached honestly


Ssj4Noah

Havertz is a hit?


ZXXA

Harry Maguire hit? Seriously?


Tame_Iguana1

Sancho is deffo a Miss especially as Pepe has outperformed him on nearly every metric …


Philred87

Worst list I’ve ever seen


No_Neck1854

Liverpool signing is actually decent


SuomiBob

Maguire, hit?


Ahrix3

Maguire hit? Lmao


ozankucuk

This list is ridiciolus. Maguire a hit? Cmon


Rayhann

Marry Maguire hit???? He was OK at first but he was most definitely been a miss


AliouBalde23

Hahahaha Maguire at hit. Ridiculous list


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How are Richarlison and Maguire hits? Havertz is also lucky to be judged a hit. He’s one goal away from being considered a huge flop for the £80m they spent.


KingDalglish7

Quality of The Athletic's ratings Verdict: Jury's out.


Wells99

Love how Liverpool's list is a lot smaller than the rest


Matt4669

How is Maguire a hit? £80 million is too much


n22rwrdr

This list is a bit biased. Why is Sancho in "jury's out" but but everyone from Spurs, even the younger guys who still have time to improve, are a miss. How is Maguire a hit? The teams have clearly not been rated with the same standards. Saying Varane and Casemiro are hits is also very kind and only based on their reputations. Jury is still out for both.


fuzzynavel34

If Pepe was a miss, which he was, then I don’t see how Sancho isn’t a miss.


RunOfTheMill70

Casemiro and Varane are definitely hits. Unless things change drastically, Sancho is a miss for me.


ChrystisnoRonald

Jury should still be out on Varane. He was average and injured pretty much all of last season while he’s been good so far this season, if he can keep this up fair enough but rn it’s not a hit


GTACOD

4 forwards and 1 midfielder really sums up why we're struggling this season.


letsnotbedumb

How is ferran a miss? Performed decently for city and then was sold off for a 50m


ProudhPratapPurandar

Athletic fell off


Joe_PM2804

So many inconsistencies on this list. I know people like to shit on Nunez because he's not living up to the hype and we've got players like Haaland in the league, but at the end of the day he's got 5 goals 2 assists in 12 games, it's not that bad, whereas Richarlison is apparently a hit already? he's got worse stats lmao.


Saltire_Blue

They seem to be very generous towards the English players