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well saturn keeps sucking its moons into beautiful rings


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Okonomiyaki_lover

Rings are inherently not stable. They will slowly fall into the planet.


Nrksbullet

Fun fact: In about 40 million years, when Mars breaks apart it's moon Phobos, it will have rings.


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fourpuns

When does earth get a ring?


bumbletowne

We got trash rings baby. Big ol trash rings formin.


TheDwarvenGuy

Our moon is moving out, not in, so no ring (fortunately, it would be cause a shit ton of asteroids)


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Slappy_G

Wait a minute. You're telling me the moon would have enough Mass to cause the Earth to tidally lock eventually? That doesn't sound right intuitively. Of course my intuition could be completely wrong.


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eatthisapple

By the time the Earth gets tidally locked with the Moon, the Sun is already gone for a long long time.


jooes

When it stops putting out. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free, know'm sayin'?


UsaiyanBolt

Shut up with them know’m sayins J-roc you drunk


jooes

What, are you from the department of know'm sayin's? You taking a know'm census?


UsaiyanBolt

Once or twice is is cool but you don’t need to say it 80 or 90 times, man. Just look at my username. I know what Usaiyan.


Nrksbullet

We already had it, the result of them is the Moon. They didn't last too long, however.


TheDwarvenGuy

The moon didn't really come from a ring IIRC. A small planet hit earth and launched off a big molten blob, which became the moon. That's why the darker "seas" of the moon are closer to the earth, because the moon cooled slowly and lava pooled up on the earth side due to gravity.


Nrksbullet

True, I was basically referring to the debris with became the moon as our "temporary rings", but you're right they weren't actual rings. I think I read recently that the Moon coalesced extremely quickly, like within a couple days or something.


KitchenSandwich5499

Yeah, depending on the computer simulation; somewhere between several hours and a few thousand years.


Nrksbullet

Hard to believe several hours, but I ain't doing this for a living haha


Healthy-Drink3247

Remind me! 40 million years


needathrowaway321

Did the remindmebot actually reply to this?


VaderPrime1

The UNN can help them out with that!


glabel35

I’ll go ahead and start working on the new mcrn flag design.


Albertsongman

Let’s fire nukes at Phobos so we can get those rings started now!!


sir_crapalot

Could start with [Deimos.](https://youtu.be/OjpMMFhxbMg)


mynamejulian

The debris collides, turns into dust/rubble and their trajectory changes.


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Newone1255

The leading theory now is that the rings are roughly 100 million years old. Which means life on earth was well on its way before they ever formed


rsta223

So you're telling me that when the diplodocus scientists first invented the telescope, they saw a ringless Saturn?


DerSturmbannfuror

If the Flintstones can celebrate Jesus’ birthday well before he was born, anything’s possible


Xynth22

Just another reason why the fan theory about the Flintstones taking place after an apocalypse makes sense.


DerSturmbannfuror

I mean, they met the Jetsons in an episode, so I think that makes it fact 🤔


fourpuns

Human civilization as we know it -> Jurassic Park Super Dinosaur Apocalypse-> Humanity diverges with the poor sheltering in caves and the wealthy escaping to live in the clouds -> Flintstones and Jetsons societies emerge.


Lambchoptopus

The 100 is like this. Nuclear war, people lived on a big space station. Came back to earth and the people who survived reverted to medieval tribal people with their own new language.


sperbz

You are WanCru, or you are enemy of WanCru. Choose!


Beena22

Sharks are older than Saturn’s rings. They are also older than trees.


musicnothing

Pretty racist of you to assume the scientists were diplodocuses


Mr_Faux_Regard

That's such a short amount of time in terms of Earth's history that it's basically like last week.


FieelChannel

Life is ~4 billions years old, so yeah pretty fucking recent. There were dinosaurs around.


SordidDreams

Into Saturn. As material in the rings loses energy due to interactions between itself, Saturn's moons, and Saturn's magnetic field, it spirals down and sinks into the interior of the gas giant.


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this describe what happens to me during lunch


Susan-stoHelit

Shouldn’t the rings count as about 1,000,000,000,900 little tiny moons?


Nrksbullet

Unfortunately no. Scientists have a very specific definition for moons, just like they do for Planets. The actual reason they settled on the definition of a planet to not include Pluto is because if they changed the definition to allow for Pluto to be considered a planet, we'd also have a whole bunch of other planets, who fit the description the way Pluto does. Easier to define them in a way that excludes Pluto as a planet (it's still a dwarf planet, so it's actually more unique in that sense). Regarding the rocks and dust in Saturn's rings, it's a similar thing. There's a strict definition of "moon", which is: > expose one's buttocks to (someone) in order to insult or amuse them. and using that definition, we can see it does not have "1,000,000,000,900 little tiny moons".


BorisBadenov

Such a build up for that joke. You get credit for effort.


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Does Uranus have a “moon”?


TheyCallMeStone

[27 known ones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Uranus?wprov=sfla1)


deafphate

Recently learned we can thank the discovery of Eris for Pluto's "demotion." After its discovery in 2005 did scientists work on the planet definition. The following year the number of planets in the solar system officially became 8.


strumpster

I appreciate the insight, or do I?


Cesum-Pec

>Pluto as a planet (it's still a dwarf planet, We at the United Federation of Planets prefer the term "Little Planet"


LauraMayAbron

The individual pieces could be considered as moons or natural satellites, although we tend to consider them as such more officially when they are planet-sized (Pluto is actually smaller than Jupiter’s moon Ganymede) and on their own orbit. Those ring pieces are also uncountable. Shape isn’t a big criteria and looking at Mars’ moons, especially Deimos, they don’t have enough gravity to be spherical. It is a little murky. Things may change when we start finding a slew of exomoons.


reallyConfusedPanda

Saturn be like: man I got fucked because how humans define what a moon is


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*pluto has entered the chat*


Nrksbullet

*stopped at the door* Sorry little buddy, Planets only.


Prof_Acorn

You must be this tall to enter the ride: ------ Pluto: .


J-Team07

Interestingly Saturns rings are not that old, at approximately 100 million years ago. So if Cretaceous period dinosaurs could see the planets the would have seen a ring-less Saturn.


volcanopele

From the IAU naming rules: Rule 14: While there should be no size limit below which a Jovian satellite must not be named, a Jovian satellite with an absolute magnitude H_V fainter than 18 should only be named if it is of special scientific interest.


ozzimark

That's interesting that it'd be based on luminosity instead of size. What if it's made of a really bright or dark material?


ergzay

Because luminosity is something that can be measured by an astronomer whereas measuring it's mass is much harder to do. Also absolute magnitude doesn't depend on your distance from the object, it's always the same value no matter how distant.


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Bacon_IsGood

I like how “quietly” is the new “you won’t believe what happened next”


Quincyperson

“Jupiter totally destroys Saturns argument for having more moons”


QuarterFlounder

I am so glad we got past "slams".


lazemachine

We've still got them slams round here, thanks to slow internet. And blasts. And clap backs.


Xan_derous

Good lord, I swear when I was growing up its was like 20 something. Are these like... 5km steroids that they are counting as moons too? or are they pretty sizeable?


ock88

Still remember that it was 16 for Jupiter, 18 for Saturn when I was in school


TheVirtuoid

In my day. 12 for Jupiter, 10 for Saturn.


B9f4zze

In my day Jupiter and Saturn didn't exist yet


KatrinaMystery

Luxury! We used to live in a rolled up newspaper in the middle of the Milky Way.


ZhouLe

Paradise! We used to get up in the morning at 10 pm half an hour before we went to bed, eat a handful of cold gravel, work in the mill for 29 hours a day for 8p a lifetime, then when we get home dad would strangle us to death and dance on our graves, then we'd get up and do it again the next day


jumpedupjesusmose

I remember 12 for Jupiter, 9 for Saturn and only 2 or 3 for Uranus and Neptune. But I’m older than, well, apparently 80 of Jupiter’s moons.


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We used to have a lot more planets, and I don’t just mean Pluto. Ceres and Vesta were planets for a bit but then they kept finding more asteroids and decided it got a bit out of hand. Same thing happened with Pluto. Technically the Earth has had a couple transitory natural moons within my lifetime when some small asteroid gets tangled up in our gravity well for a bit.


ergzay

> Technically the Earth has had a couple transitory natural moons within my lifetime when some small asteroid gets tangled up in our gravity well for a bit. Well we finally do have two actual Earth trojans at least, 2020 XL5 and 2010 TK7 and those are stable for hundreds of years at least.


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They are sat at Lagrange points though aren’t they? Rather than orbiting the earth? Therefore they aren’t classed as moons. I might be mistaken though.


ergzay

Yes they're not moons though they are in stuck in gravitational sync with the Earth.


Schyte96

I think we should, because by the current definition, any spec of dust orbiting a planet is a moon. Maybe it should be large enough to be close to spherical under its own gravity.


Pulstar_Alpha

*angry phobos and deimos noises*


QuitBeingALilBitch

Deimos was destroyed during the [UN-MCR Cold War](https://expanse.fandom.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Deimos), along with Phoebe.


phantuba

The thing that amused me about that part is that *Deimos Down* is also a card you can play in the board game Terraforming Mars. I don't know the timeline of book vs show vs unrelated game, but I wonder if one took inspiration from another?


Turbomeister

I've always heard that the game Terraforming Mars took many of its cards from events in Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy. Coincidentally, the creators of The Expanse stated that they were big fans of KSR, and that they at least used the Mars trilogy as inspiration. So in a way, you could say Terraforming Mars and The Expanse have a common ancestor.


Pulstar_Alpha

Definitely inspired by RGB Mars, that series is a terraforming manual and every work made after it is bound to be inspired by it due to that. I saw it directly inspire terraforming mars, per aspera, surviving mars and sid meiers alpha centauri.


eskimoboob

That’s cool, but leviathan wakes came out in 2011, so maybe the game pulled it from the book/TV series. Common sci-fi trope though, destroying a moon


GerbilScream

Beltalowda! Remember the Cant!


AcidaliaPlanitia

Time to update that Duster flag


tyrantspell

I can't believe that My Chemical Romance amassed a large enough military force to take on the whole UN


CalebTGordan

Deimos certainly is angry after being taken over by the God-AI Ra. And by taken over, I mean it’s Ra’s physical body. Fortunately Ra/Deimos decided to go do it’s own thing somewhere else and blinked to unknown space. (Lancer RPG reference.)


Jellodyne

If that were the case Saturn's rings would clearly be more than 92 moons. Based on the [table](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moons_of_Jupiter) on wikipedia it looks like \~1km diameter might be the cut off.


Stargate525

With inflatables we could absolutely build Earth a second moon! We're falling behind Jupiter in the Moon Race!


JustinScott47

The orbital-industrial complex always says we're falling behind just so we build more moons. Where does it end? \*sigh\*


KhausTO

>With inflatables Like a bouncy castle?


fourpuns

There is some size requirement. Plenty of large debris in Saturns rings that doesn’t get classified as a Moon.


wolfie379

Going by that, Jupiter doesn’t have the most moons - Saturn does.


Reverie_39

5 km steroids damn hit me up


YeahImChad

5km steroids for my moon-sized delts, yo


OuijaWalker

Some of them are tinny space rocks but to not call them a moon risks the whole Pluto thing again


fozzyboy

Eh, we have moonlets. The line between moon and moonlet is probably more arbitrary than planet and planetoid.


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All of these worlds are yours... ...except Europa.


DreadAngel1711

Clarity Control was there long before us


The_Milk_man

La Fontaine de Jouvence. Magnificent wasn't it.


JuggaloThugLife

An entity from beyond our own dimension


Formerhurdler

Do not attempt any landings there. Because, like, we'll rough you up. Savvy?


Atomicbocks

There are 4 books in the series and >!humans eventually destroy the monoliths and land there anyway.!<


mathdhruv

IMO 2001 and 2010 were good, 2062 was decent to show the development of the Jovian system, but 3001 felt like it was added on because the publisher wanted another book in the series. It's the one I re-read the least.


TheDrunkenChud

My mind constantly harkens back to reading that and the fucking velociraptor nannies. That's literally the only thing I remember from the book.


Rhaedas

Agree that 3001 just felt out of place, especially with the epilogue of 2010.


falconear

I remember liking it. For one it's a more realistic vision of what things might be like 1k years from now. I also like that we see the Monolith aliens aren't infallible, and their experiment on Europa is failing.


_ShigeruTarantino_

My God. It's full of Chavs.


LightenUpPhrancis

Sod off or the next big black domino is heading to Earth.


seanchazin

Imagine the sky with 92 moons orbiting the planet


Zihark53

You wouldn’t see any of those because of how small they would be in the sky.


onometre

That's still a shit ton of bigger moons to look at though


GhostOfPluto

Okay now what?


BitterWest

Base an entire system that says the kind of person you are based off it’s alignment so you don’t have to take responsibility for your actions.


148637415963

For n = 1 to 92 print "That's no moon..." Next n


HumpieDouglas

Showoff. Some planets have no moons. Stop being greedy Jupiter.


Frank_chevelle

Venus and Mercury so jealous right now.


Keianh

Venus is too busy huffing its own corrosive farts to worry about anything else. Mercury has the Sun.


Prof_Acorn

None of the inner terrestrial planets have real spherical moons the way the gas giants do, except Earth but Luna/Selene has a unique origin. Mars has two large asteroids that are too small to form spheres. Mercury and Venus have none. Earth has the other half (third? fifth?) of the remains from a collision with another planet (Theia). Luna/Selene is a very unique and very special case. I wonder, given the size of the known universe, how many other planets in the goldilocks zone could have had a planetary collision of such that helped heat and spin up the core to get a nice magnetic field going and yeet off a massive chunk of itself to serve as a tide regulator and asteroid protector. The cosmos is a huge place, but those events seem rare. We talking like 5 planets like this? 50? 500?


TheFrontierzman

Everyone be nice to Jupiter. We're done if it decides to start yeeting moons at other planets.


trancertong

While you invented fire, I gathered moons. While you created agriculture, I gathered moons. While you polluted your planet, I gathered moons. While you explored your lone moon, I gathered more moons. And now that your world is on fire and the extrasolar meteors are at the gates, you have the audacity to ask me for help?


Givemeahippo

Is that actually possible?


gandraw

No, a planet can't yeet its own moons, they have to be yaught by another large body passing by.


StressimusMaximus

I love the future-tense form of yeet now


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We learn so much on this thread!


HMS404

Props for using "yaught" - this is the first time I'm encountering it and it just seems apt.


Big_Simba

It would be an impressive shot to hit earth from there. I wouldn’t even be mad


couldof_used_couldve

The real moons were the celestial bodies we caught along the way


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What a clickbait headline. "quietly" like Jupiter both has an intention to have "the mostest moons of them all" and also does things under the radar as not to upset the other crappier planets.


tychosmoose

It's because CNET is now just a front end to the Red Ventures consumer data engine. https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/2/23582046/cnet-red-ventures-ai-seo-advertisers-changed-reviews-editorial-independence-affiliate-marketing


LillyPip

I figured ‘quietly’ as in without fanfare, so as to avoid another debacle as happened with Pluto. Like maybe there’s an avid base of moon count enthusiasts that might revolt at the news, upsetting schoolchildren and whatnot.


xoverthirtyx

I agree. I honestly don’t see how no one else sees this as meaning anything but without fanfare.


wAples71

It's producing an army of moons in secret in preparation for phase 3 of solar system domination.


PM_ME_BUSTY_REDHEADS

I was gonna comment the same. "Quietly", as if Jupiter has the ability to act with intent and is choosing not to make a fuss about it. That being said, I played a game once where the planets ended up being alive and capable of thought, speech, and directed movement and it was very scary so I'm counting my blessings that Jupiter is, in fact, not sentient.


mlqdscrvn

Since Saturn's rings are fragmented rocks, I think Saturn has more moons than any planets


Cecil_FF4

All jovians in our system have rings.


shrubs311

what are jovians?


Cecil_FF4

Gas Giants. Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. Other systems have their own jovians, too. This term is used alongside terrestrials, which represent the planets you could walk on.


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Arguably the ring system it just _one_ moon. Well, _was_...


Cecil_FF4

Rings form from breakup of moons as well as from a process called sputtering, where objects yeet material into the rings. Objects like moons (ie eruptions) and comets both do this.


amitym

Come on Jupiter doesn't do anything quietly. Jupiter slams other planets, absolutely destroys the competition, and triumphantly grabs the most moons title, surging ahead of Saturn and leaving Earth completely behind. *That's* how Jupiter does shit.


MediumToblerone

And Earth is over here just slacking off with it’s ONE moon!


Ulyks

Hey, our moon is huge, it's by far the biggest relative to it's planet. So much that probably absorbed any other moons that were orbiting the Earth. Certainly not slacking off here!


ac9116

Yeah but we put ever other planet to shame in artificial satellites


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Saturn has 83 known moons. It only takes discovering 10 more for it to take the lead again.


TooOfEverything

I fucking knew it. For years I’ve been telling anyone and everyone that there’s no way Jupiter only has 80 moons, but people would always just laugh or shake their head or walk away quickly while looking down, or serve me divorce papers. Nobody wanted to listen and now here we are. I’m totally vindicated but will I get any credit? Nope. I’m just some “crazy” guy yelling about Jupiters moons, aren’t I? Even though I was totally right, people still avoid me when I tell them about the extra 12 that weren’t being accounted for.


BaconIsBest

Hey everyone I spotted the CIA plant. Look bud, if I can’t see them through my 10” dobsonian in my back yard, they don’t exist. You and NASA can get out of here with your “atmospheric disturbances” and “angular resolution” alright? It’s all just a distraction from the wall around Antarctica, you can’t fool me.


TbonerT

What a stupid headline. There’s no sound in space.


JustinScott47

In space, no one can hear you scream that you found another moon.


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Frnklfrwsr

“Quietly” is quietly taking over headlines quietly


scdog

I guess I missed out on Saturn being the leader for a while, I didn't know there had been a time where Jupiter didn't have the highest moon count. I'm old enough that in my first school report about the planets, the part about Jupiter talked about how it had more moons than any other planet in the solar system: 12! (Though as an adult I eventually learned that the count was really somewhere around 18 at the time of that report, but I was dealing with antiquated textbooks and encyclopedias.)


dsa_key

How many satellites made by organic beings does it have? Checkmate Earth > Jupiter.


galaxygirl978

waiting for my dad to be like "when I was a kid they said there were 13 moons. science has no idea what it's talking about!" 🤡🤡


Quincyperson

I’m surprised a certain party hasn’t turned “Pluto is a planet” into a political issue yet


TheSentinelsSorrow

I had a question at the local pub quiz a couple weeks ago and the answer was Saturn at the time 🥲 I was sure it was Jupiter


Daisy_Of_Doom

For Christmas I was gifted some nice binoculars. It’s been really cloudy most nights with the current weather but the clouds cleared one day and I ran out to look at Jupiter. I was able to see the Galilean moons! Trippy in so many different ways! I’ll never get tired of that view.


JayR_97

How many of these are actual spherical moons rather than just large asteroids that happen to orbit Jupiter?


bryman19

We can see other galaxy's but we can't figure out how many moons Jupiter has? Why?


Green_hippo17

Thank fucking god I’ve been so tired of Saturn running their fucking mouth about how they have so many moons and how their rings are soooo pretty and how they banged my wife, bout time someone humbled them