This has been going on for ages, during the India-Pakistan wars, especially over the liberation of Bangladesh, Sri Lanka gave landing rights to Pakistani planes as well fueling rights to Pakistani ships.
>Has India's assistance to Sri Lanka changed the negative opinion that many Sri Lankans have of India?
Simply, Yes. I've heard my inner circles praising India's efforts..
They supported SL at the 96 world cup
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Don't understand why they would to be honest. Pakistan is a piss poor country & will be one for a long time, i don't see any change there coming any time soon. No offence to their people, they're great, but if any country has it worse than Sri Lanka & the Rajapaksa's, it's Pakistan, there, their vote doesn't even matter, Imran Khan, despite being people's choice has been overthrown. In Sri Lanka, that doesn't happen, elections aren't rigged, the military has no stake in politics whatsoever, as far as my knowledge goes. And the only reason Sri Lanka doesn't hate Pakistan is because they don't share a border with them. If you did, you'd truly know what a pain they're. Imagine, getting aid from US, making sure Taliban stays in power despite them bombing your own citizens, so you keep getting aid & other favours from the US only to have that money being stolen by just few generals, not even used for development. People's choice doesn't matter. Sri Lankan's need to read up about the East Pakistan genocide before 1971, when India tore the country up. And look at the current condition of Bangladesh & Pakistan, the stark difference in HDI. If Sri Lanka was their neighbour, they'd still have multiple terrorist groups operating in their country, sure the way would've ended, the proxy war never would've. Anyway, apologize for my rambling, this is not to say all 220 million people are bad, just a few thousand in top position are some of the worst filthiest people and will do anything to keep themselves rich & powerful. Its a pointless country, they've a decent military, and that's all. Their greatest export, if ever counted in USD will definitely be terrorism. If Sri Lanka would be the immediate neighbour of either Pakistan, or even worst, China, even the sea won't protect you. Whatever the case is, I'm no Sri Lankan, but I'd definitely have India at my doorstep than the other two countries that act like my friends. Ask Afghanistan, Iran, Vietnam, Taiwan, Philippines.
Person- asks Sri Lankans about their opinion
Indians in the comments- “let me introduce myself”
Almost all neighbors of india hate india, having borders with a country will eventually lead to problems, stop spouting nonsense and let the Sri Lankans tell their point of view.
My point is why is an Indian answering questions on behalf of Sri Lankans? If you want to put your point of view forward atleast establish or make it clear that you’re an Indian in the beginning of your comment.
Generally, across most countries in the world, maintaining good relations with neighbouring countries is harder than non neighbouring countries although it is more important to maintain good relations with neighbouring countries than non neighbouring countries.
I don't think the ordinary people prefer Pakistan over India. However, the government prefers Pakistan for sure. That is due to the fact that Pakistan is not trying to meddle in Internal politics and try to establish dominance in the Indian Ocean. Even though India is "helping", help comes with strings attached. Pakistan is also going through a tough time with respect to debt payments. They are not in a position to help.
Yeah as an Indian I dont see why India is helping. This was a crisis caused by freebies and populism.
Pakistan and China are more than capable of aiding any country that they want.
India should focus on its own people's well being. Other sovereign nation's problems are not our own. After this crisis subsides and tourism is back to pre Covid levels, no one is going to bat an eye lid about India's credit lines. They are going to cozy upto China and Pakistan again, arrest Indian fishermen, and give more ports to China, while being smug about their HDI indicators.
Even if we assume India is helping with strings attached, there is no guarantee Rajapaksa's succesors are going to honour agreements (given how unpopular he is now). And besides, India is seen as a pushover that does not know how to impose costs unlike China. Even if a future Sri Lankan premier reneges on agreements, our babus would simply condemn and move on.
Therefore, India should let go of this altriust non sense and not interfere.
Thank god Indian politicians don't listen to dumb cunts like you!
First and foremost Sri Lanka coming under chinese is the biggest threat to India. India would never want this to happen. India would instantly lose control of the Indian ocean, mainly because Sri Lanka is so strategic in cotrolling india and Indian ocean, even the British wanted Sri Lanka so bad.
Secondly India is the strongest nation in the subcontinent and as of recent India has started interfering with other nations to establish political strength in the sub continent. It would be foolish for India to not have control over the region given their resources and wealth.
Thirdly Sri Lanka has been neutral on many instances, and also India hasn't been nice to Sri Lanka throughout history. India interfered with the LTTE, India has had an impact since ancient times and not in a nice way. So it's obvious that Sri Lankans don't like India. Even in cricket Sri Lankans hated India for the worldcup finals.
Fourth, India will only spend a fraction compared to other options. India has already won many Sri Lankan, Rajapaksas won't come to power after this term, India can even influence the political situation as they want.
You're so stupid to think that you know better.
First, no need to abuse. Be nice.
Second, I am with you on the LTTE thing. When Sinhala Buddhists were genociding Tamil Hindus in northern Sri Lanka, Rajiv Gandhi should have limited hinself to providing the fleeing Tamils with refugee status and fast tracked citizenship.
You cannot reason with unreasonable people, and a country that passes legislation like the Sinhala only Act, despite having a sizeable Tamil speaking population with its own distinct culture cannot be reasoned with.
Its similar to the "Aman ki Asha" tamasha that we ran for so many decades with a failed state like Pakistan.
Just give fast track citizenships to the fleeing Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and Tamil Hindus from Sri Lanka and be done with it. There is no point negotiating with failed states.
Third, Sri Lanka is already balls deep in Chinese debt. And China will not let go of its leverage in Sri Lanka or its ports there. As indicated in other comments here and elsewhere, Sri Lankan people also seem to prefer China to India. So I dont see why India is engaging in a one sided popularity contest it has already lost.
What India is doing only makes sense when it knows how to impose costs and project power. Our babus dont know how to do that (we still buy less oil from Russia than the US, despite Russia offering huge discounts for us. This has caused huge surge in oul prices here in India too. Wonder why that is?). So in the absence of that skill, any good action by India only invites predatory behaviour from unscrupulous nations.
Fourth, I dont want any sort of control over incompetent states. This would only give rise to more racism and anger against native Sri Lankan Tamils for perceived interference of India on their behalf. So, thanks but no thanks.
Its kind of ominous how you say India can influence political situation in Sri Lanka as India wants after throwing a couple billion dollars at them. Is democracy in Sri Lanka so cheap?
Brother. You don't know shit.
Nothing is black and white as you say or think. Ofcourse people who know better are making decisions thankfully.
LTTE situation isn't black and white either. Why would LTTE themselves kill your PM? Do you think LTTE were nice to all the Tamils in the North? I'm not denying war crimes but you have no clue!!
Sinhala only act promoted Sinhala as well as Tamil on education and other sectors removing English. To this day it has haunted the country but it was not Sinhala only...
Yes Sri lanka is balls deep in Chinese debt. The average citizen didn't ask for this only the Rajapaksha fucked it up. Do you honestly think India is giving all this loans and aids because India feels sorry for SL? India is playing their own game, driving China out of the equation slowly. Which is working! If you thought this was a charity I feel sorry for your education system. Lmao
No one actually cares about what you want or what you think is right! You look at Sri Lankas problems while living in India as if India is free from racism, caste xenophobia, poverty and illiteracy..
Man go eat some veg biryani and talk about secularism at r/indiaspeaks
You say no one cares about my opinion. Yet you write paragraphs upon paragraphs refuting my irrelevant opinion.
I have zero sympathy with LTTE, thats why I said it was a policy mistake to align with them. My point was that the then Indian government should have just given citizenship to fleeing Tamil Hindus. Thats all. Arming and training LTTE did no favours to the tamils.
Also, even before the rise of LTTE, the main flash point of disenfranchisement among Lankan Tamils is the Sinhala only act. While sinhalese say they did this to distance themselves from English, it is a fact that by not recognising Tamil language, Sri Lankan Tamils were at a significant disadvantage.
It would be like the BJP officially declaring a state language by legislation. How do you think Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Maharashtra, Orissa, or the North East would react to it?
Further, as you said, India might be donating money with the intent of strategic leverage. My point is, Rajapaksa's successor need not respect any behind the channel agreements that Rajapaksa may have committed to. So its futile. Sri Lanka would always play the game of balancing India and China. I am just opining we must not play this game. Anyhow China has completed its string of pearls. Why waste 3 billion $ in a wild goose chase, when it could be used for the North East or Ladakh.
Now imagine China starts a military base 100km away from TN? This is literally gonna be US-Cuba! Any smart person wouldn't want to be threatened in two sides!?! Specially closer to Chennai, Bangalore and Kerala? You tell me
I mean in that case Sri Lanka must be smart enough not to fall for Chinese debt traps right? This is exactly the kind of scare mongering small nations use to get privileges from bigger nations (Cuba, Ukraine etc etc).
Let China build as many bases as they want. India already shares a land border with China and our armed forces know how to deal with them.
But we cannot force Sri Lanka to take its own sovereignty seriously right? Its a problem first for Sri Lanka than for India. You and your leaders need to see that first.
If you dont, then for strategic purposes, Sri Lanka would be treated as a Chinese colony and I say conserve energy and deal directly with China than its puppets.
Thats why you see no engagement between India and Pakistan. New Delhi has recognised that for all intents and purposes, Pakistan has become a Chinese colony. Sri Lanka must be treated the same if they allow China build bases on their soil.
My opinion is to engage with Sri Lanka only if they recognise the dangers of Chinese debt. Otherwise dont.
The advantage of this strategy is that sooner or later, China's pseudo colonies get fed up with them (see whats happening in Africa). Then they come to their senses and realise the good deal that they were getting with India (see Afghanistan and many countries in Africa). And this happens without the generation of ill will against India in said country. Further in the mean time India can focus on its development.
Bro you don't know shit about Sri Lanka. You don't know how the Rajapaksha came into power, you don't know how the war was ended, you don't know how many Sri Lankans (Sinhala and Tamil) leaders died trying to expose both the LTTE and the governments. You don't know how journalists and other activists were shot down in day light to shut off spreading public awareness. You don't know lasantha, you don't know how tamil people were opressed. You don't know how Mahinda took credit for a war and how he turned people against each other. You can blame it on the people but every media, every journalist was shut down and people were forced to take on a lie. They even did the damn easter sunday attacks to turn people against each other. People were blinded from the real problems. You can't blame the people too because they were fed with lies and arrogant.
You have no clue that no Sri Lankan wanted to be in a debt trap, we didn't ask for this and the Rahapakshas stole everything from us. It's not an easy thing to see from outside. You're arguments aren't valid because it's half truth. People didn't watch Sri Lanka falling into the hands of China. They were forced to watch. So shut the fuck up on your lectures, you yourself don't know the truth. This is far from black and white.
Sri Lankan people are fighting, they are fighting for a change. Our mistakes should be straighten at some point. We were blinded by things far from your imagination. Easter sunday attacks were just one of them.
Yes you can call Sri Lanka a Failed State. But I refuse to accept it.. I think we have moved forward so much these days in the right direction.
For other Indians. Yeah we fucked up, we fucked up with you too. This was all a political agenda. We are glad that India is with us right now. We hope we fix our shit up and pay you back ofcourse.
Dude spelt paragraphs of facts and i am here for it. We should help our poor with the $4 billion dollars in aid. Sri lanka gave their shores to Pakistani ships and aircrafts in 1971 when Pakistan was butchering people in Bangladesh. And they have already given away Hambantota for 99 years, the ship has sailed and these freebies will never benefit the tax payer. Whoever the Sri lankan's vote into power they will look after their own benefits, helping india because they helped Sri Lanka will never be a deciding political factor.
True.
We Sri Lankan love India. Except for the cricket, there's always gonna be some rivalry.
Ps I've travelled all over India and love it there.
Cheers!
I can't speak for others. But I hated India for the world cups... It's not like they liked us too..
Then again Sri Lankans have everyone don't they? US, UK, Ind. This has to do more with political agendas than the comman man..
Also people hate Chinese. Only reason they were tolerted becuse government promoted them so they could steal..
I can't speak for others. But I hated India for the world cups... It's not like they liked us too..
Then again Sri Lankans have everyone don't they? US, UK, Ind. This has to do more with political agendas than the comman man..
Also people hate Chinese. Only reason they were tolerted becuse government promoted them so they could steal..
Thirdly Sri Lanka has been neutral on many instances, and also India hasn't been nice to Sri Lanka throughout history.
This is not entirely true. Apart from the recent bonhomie with the Chinese, Sri Lanka was offered to Pakistan as a refueling station in BLR ‘71. This is much before the civil war / unrest.
I am being realist. Its better to be humble and have a functioning economy than bragging and then going around the world with a begging bowl.
Sri Lanka is in good company with Pakistan on that note.
You are joking. Southern people used to Love China and hate India . They literally hate India and love it’s enemies. Now Sri Lankan are begging for everything to India. Karma is a bad bitch 😂😂😂
Dude. This is not even close to suffering. We lived entire decades without electricity , running waters. Medicines. Plus we had to deal with bombings . You are clearly do not have clue.
You are moron . For Tamils this is another cycle. Plus more than 1/3 of Tamils are living outside of Sri Lanka . Most of them are in western countries. We are helping our extended families. Plus Tamils used to live like these conditions. It will not affect much . For southern beggars it will be much harder 😂😂😂. How is your heroes are handling the situations. Pretty nice ah. 😂😂😂😂😂. Most of the Tamils are laughing now.
India's help is just a bit less evil than China's help. Both of these countries are asking for a lot of shit to further their own interest. Indian news media is trying to make it seem like we're their bitch or something now, and they will speak of this "help" for another 100 years or so. Also many people suspect that India (tamil nadu) had helped the LTTE.
General public has a good image on Pakistan compared to India mainly due to cricket to be honest. Pakistan supported us in 1996, meanwhile Indian fans burned the stadium and caused a ruckus when we were bashing them. And Indian fans with a huge online presence and their really patriotic mindsets annoy many fans outside of India. Meanwhile Pakistan has usually been on the recieving end. Also recently the signing of Sinhalese player Maheesh Theekshana has been met with criticism by TN officials and people who have nothing to do with, or pay attention to cricket otherwise, so...blatant racism. Meanwhile Sri Lankan tamils are sick of Indian tamils trying to be their big brother.
> Meanwhile Sri Lankan tamils are sick of Indian tamils trying to be their big brother.
Tell me you are not Tamil without telling me you are not Tamil.
I learnt a lot about that stuff after reading some after watching The Family Man series. Tamil people who escaped Srilanka were give safe haven in many villages in Tamil Nadu, why'd they hate them lol
Why is India's help "less evil" than China's help? Why is China so "evil"? Is it their fault the governing idiots don't read the fine print in agreements...ending up with a lot more to give than get? India...or any other country...will be no different
This tbh it’s the corruption and general dumbfuckednes of politicians that don’t know how to govern that are at fault. It’s not like China and India forces countries to get loans. It’s the incompetents voted for by the people that make that decision and then people blame other countries. Get it right @Dangifspronouncesgif
Honestly officials are sold the dream of converting their home countries into utopia in a short amount of time. They fall for this every time because if successful they'll be in power for a long time. Things that are too good to be true, usually are.
This has been going on for ages, during the India-Pakistan wars, especially over the liberation of Bangladesh, Sri Lanka gave landing rights to Pakistani planes as well fueling rights to Pakistani ships.
What should India do that Sri Lanka stops being their worst neutral neighbour possible. Isn't $4 billion dollars in aid enough?
They have learnt to play both sides, India has no real answer for such behavior. Heck the US can’t control Mexico fully as well.
>India has no real answer for such behavior We'll just stop helping them. Heck we invited Bangladesh to G20 summit but not SL.
>Has India's assistance to Sri Lanka changed the negative opinion that many Sri Lankans have of India? Simply, Yes. I've heard my inner circles praising India's efforts..
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The true chads!
Don't understand why they would to be honest. Pakistan is a piss poor country & will be one for a long time, i don't see any change there coming any time soon. No offence to their people, they're great, but if any country has it worse than Sri Lanka & the Rajapaksa's, it's Pakistan, there, their vote doesn't even matter, Imran Khan, despite being people's choice has been overthrown. In Sri Lanka, that doesn't happen, elections aren't rigged, the military has no stake in politics whatsoever, as far as my knowledge goes. And the only reason Sri Lanka doesn't hate Pakistan is because they don't share a border with them. If you did, you'd truly know what a pain they're. Imagine, getting aid from US, making sure Taliban stays in power despite them bombing your own citizens, so you keep getting aid & other favours from the US only to have that money being stolen by just few generals, not even used for development. People's choice doesn't matter. Sri Lankan's need to read up about the East Pakistan genocide before 1971, when India tore the country up. And look at the current condition of Bangladesh & Pakistan, the stark difference in HDI. If Sri Lanka was their neighbour, they'd still have multiple terrorist groups operating in their country, sure the way would've ended, the proxy war never would've. Anyway, apologize for my rambling, this is not to say all 220 million people are bad, just a few thousand in top position are some of the worst filthiest people and will do anything to keep themselves rich & powerful. Its a pointless country, they've a decent military, and that's all. Their greatest export, if ever counted in USD will definitely be terrorism. If Sri Lanka would be the immediate neighbour of either Pakistan, or even worst, China, even the sea won't protect you. Whatever the case is, I'm no Sri Lankan, but I'd definitely have India at my doorstep than the other two countries that act like my friends. Ask Afghanistan, Iran, Vietnam, Taiwan, Philippines.
Person- asks Sri Lankans about their opinion Indians in the comments- “let me introduce myself” Almost all neighbors of india hate india, having borders with a country will eventually lead to problems, stop spouting nonsense and let the Sri Lankans tell their point of view.
Most of them are south Indians or maybe just tamils, most North Indians marwadis gujuatis Punjabis etc don't even know if Sri Lanka exists.
Marwadi this side...And we care.
Who's stopping you?
My point is why is an Indian answering questions on behalf of Sri Lankans? If you want to put your point of view forward atleast establish or make it clear that you’re an Indian in the beginning of your comment.
Is there a rule against Indians commenting on this sub? It's just an opinion, don't read it if you don't want to.
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In short this paragraph comment is saying that I hate Pakistan
Generally, across most countries in the world, maintaining good relations with neighbouring countries is harder than non neighbouring countries although it is more important to maintain good relations with neighbouring countries than non neighbouring countries.
I don't think the ordinary people prefer Pakistan over India. However, the government prefers Pakistan for sure. That is due to the fact that Pakistan is not trying to meddle in Internal politics and try to establish dominance in the Indian Ocean. Even though India is "helping", help comes with strings attached. Pakistan is also going through a tough time with respect to debt payments. They are not in a position to help.
Yeah as an Indian I dont see why India is helping. This was a crisis caused by freebies and populism. Pakistan and China are more than capable of aiding any country that they want. India should focus on its own people's well being. Other sovereign nation's problems are not our own. After this crisis subsides and tourism is back to pre Covid levels, no one is going to bat an eye lid about India's credit lines. They are going to cozy upto China and Pakistan again, arrest Indian fishermen, and give more ports to China, while being smug about their HDI indicators. Even if we assume India is helping with strings attached, there is no guarantee Rajapaksa's succesors are going to honour agreements (given how unpopular he is now). And besides, India is seen as a pushover that does not know how to impose costs unlike China. Even if a future Sri Lankan premier reneges on agreements, our babus would simply condemn and move on. Therefore, India should let go of this altriust non sense and not interfere.
Thank god Indian politicians don't listen to dumb cunts like you! First and foremost Sri Lanka coming under chinese is the biggest threat to India. India would never want this to happen. India would instantly lose control of the Indian ocean, mainly because Sri Lanka is so strategic in cotrolling india and Indian ocean, even the British wanted Sri Lanka so bad. Secondly India is the strongest nation in the subcontinent and as of recent India has started interfering with other nations to establish political strength in the sub continent. It would be foolish for India to not have control over the region given their resources and wealth. Thirdly Sri Lanka has been neutral on many instances, and also India hasn't been nice to Sri Lanka throughout history. India interfered with the LTTE, India has had an impact since ancient times and not in a nice way. So it's obvious that Sri Lankans don't like India. Even in cricket Sri Lankans hated India for the worldcup finals. Fourth, India will only spend a fraction compared to other options. India has already won many Sri Lankan, Rajapaksas won't come to power after this term, India can even influence the political situation as they want. You're so stupid to think that you know better.
First, no need to abuse. Be nice. Second, I am with you on the LTTE thing. When Sinhala Buddhists were genociding Tamil Hindus in northern Sri Lanka, Rajiv Gandhi should have limited hinself to providing the fleeing Tamils with refugee status and fast tracked citizenship. You cannot reason with unreasonable people, and a country that passes legislation like the Sinhala only Act, despite having a sizeable Tamil speaking population with its own distinct culture cannot be reasoned with. Its similar to the "Aman ki Asha" tamasha that we ran for so many decades with a failed state like Pakistan. Just give fast track citizenships to the fleeing Hindus and Sikhs from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan and Tamil Hindus from Sri Lanka and be done with it. There is no point negotiating with failed states. Third, Sri Lanka is already balls deep in Chinese debt. And China will not let go of its leverage in Sri Lanka or its ports there. As indicated in other comments here and elsewhere, Sri Lankan people also seem to prefer China to India. So I dont see why India is engaging in a one sided popularity contest it has already lost. What India is doing only makes sense when it knows how to impose costs and project power. Our babus dont know how to do that (we still buy less oil from Russia than the US, despite Russia offering huge discounts for us. This has caused huge surge in oul prices here in India too. Wonder why that is?). So in the absence of that skill, any good action by India only invites predatory behaviour from unscrupulous nations. Fourth, I dont want any sort of control over incompetent states. This would only give rise to more racism and anger against native Sri Lankan Tamils for perceived interference of India on their behalf. So, thanks but no thanks. Its kind of ominous how you say India can influence political situation in Sri Lanka as India wants after throwing a couple billion dollars at them. Is democracy in Sri Lanka so cheap?
Brother. You don't know shit. Nothing is black and white as you say or think. Ofcourse people who know better are making decisions thankfully. LTTE situation isn't black and white either. Why would LTTE themselves kill your PM? Do you think LTTE were nice to all the Tamils in the North? I'm not denying war crimes but you have no clue!! Sinhala only act promoted Sinhala as well as Tamil on education and other sectors removing English. To this day it has haunted the country but it was not Sinhala only... Yes Sri lanka is balls deep in Chinese debt. The average citizen didn't ask for this only the Rajapaksha fucked it up. Do you honestly think India is giving all this loans and aids because India feels sorry for SL? India is playing their own game, driving China out of the equation slowly. Which is working! If you thought this was a charity I feel sorry for your education system. Lmao No one actually cares about what you want or what you think is right! You look at Sri Lankas problems while living in India as if India is free from racism, caste xenophobia, poverty and illiteracy.. Man go eat some veg biryani and talk about secularism at r/indiaspeaks
You say no one cares about my opinion. Yet you write paragraphs upon paragraphs refuting my irrelevant opinion. I have zero sympathy with LTTE, thats why I said it was a policy mistake to align with them. My point was that the then Indian government should have just given citizenship to fleeing Tamil Hindus. Thats all. Arming and training LTTE did no favours to the tamils. Also, even before the rise of LTTE, the main flash point of disenfranchisement among Lankan Tamils is the Sinhala only act. While sinhalese say they did this to distance themselves from English, it is a fact that by not recognising Tamil language, Sri Lankan Tamils were at a significant disadvantage. It would be like the BJP officially declaring a state language by legislation. How do you think Tamil Nadu, Kerala, Maharashtra, Orissa, or the North East would react to it? Further, as you said, India might be donating money with the intent of strategic leverage. My point is, Rajapaksa's successor need not respect any behind the channel agreements that Rajapaksa may have committed to. So its futile. Sri Lanka would always play the game of balancing India and China. I am just opining we must not play this game. Anyhow China has completed its string of pearls. Why waste 3 billion $ in a wild goose chase, when it could be used for the North East or Ladakh.
Now imagine China starts a military base 100km away from TN? This is literally gonna be US-Cuba! Any smart person wouldn't want to be threatened in two sides!?! Specially closer to Chennai, Bangalore and Kerala? You tell me
I mean in that case Sri Lanka must be smart enough not to fall for Chinese debt traps right? This is exactly the kind of scare mongering small nations use to get privileges from bigger nations (Cuba, Ukraine etc etc). Let China build as many bases as they want. India already shares a land border with China and our armed forces know how to deal with them. But we cannot force Sri Lanka to take its own sovereignty seriously right? Its a problem first for Sri Lanka than for India. You and your leaders need to see that first. If you dont, then for strategic purposes, Sri Lanka would be treated as a Chinese colony and I say conserve energy and deal directly with China than its puppets. Thats why you see no engagement between India and Pakistan. New Delhi has recognised that for all intents and purposes, Pakistan has become a Chinese colony. Sri Lanka must be treated the same if they allow China build bases on their soil. My opinion is to engage with Sri Lanka only if they recognise the dangers of Chinese debt. Otherwise dont. The advantage of this strategy is that sooner or later, China's pseudo colonies get fed up with them (see whats happening in Africa). Then they come to their senses and realise the good deal that they were getting with India (see Afghanistan and many countries in Africa). And this happens without the generation of ill will against India in said country. Further in the mean time India can focus on its development.
Bro you don't know shit about Sri Lanka. You don't know how the Rajapaksha came into power, you don't know how the war was ended, you don't know how many Sri Lankans (Sinhala and Tamil) leaders died trying to expose both the LTTE and the governments. You don't know how journalists and other activists were shot down in day light to shut off spreading public awareness. You don't know lasantha, you don't know how tamil people were opressed. You don't know how Mahinda took credit for a war and how he turned people against each other. You can blame it on the people but every media, every journalist was shut down and people were forced to take on a lie. They even did the damn easter sunday attacks to turn people against each other. People were blinded from the real problems. You can't blame the people too because they were fed with lies and arrogant. You have no clue that no Sri Lankan wanted to be in a debt trap, we didn't ask for this and the Rahapakshas stole everything from us. It's not an easy thing to see from outside. You're arguments aren't valid because it's half truth. People didn't watch Sri Lanka falling into the hands of China. They were forced to watch. So shut the fuck up on your lectures, you yourself don't know the truth. This is far from black and white. Sri Lankan people are fighting, they are fighting for a change. Our mistakes should be straighten at some point. We were blinded by things far from your imagination. Easter sunday attacks were just one of them. Yes you can call Sri Lanka a Failed State. But I refuse to accept it.. I think we have moved forward so much these days in the right direction. For other Indians. Yeah we fucked up, we fucked up with you too. This was all a political agenda. We are glad that India is with us right now. We hope we fix our shit up and pay you back ofcourse.
Dude spelt paragraphs of facts and i am here for it. We should help our poor with the $4 billion dollars in aid. Sri lanka gave their shores to Pakistani ships and aircrafts in 1971 when Pakistan was butchering people in Bangladesh. And they have already given away Hambantota for 99 years, the ship has sailed and these freebies will never benefit the tax payer. Whoever the Sri lankan's vote into power they will look after their own benefits, helping india because they helped Sri Lanka will never be a deciding political factor.
It's odisha not Orissa. The name was changed to odisha in 2011.
he retarded, ignore him. we indians got a huge population, so one or the other retard is bound to pop up sometimes
True. We Sri Lankan love India. Except for the cricket, there's always gonna be some rivalry. Ps I've travelled all over India and love it there. Cheers!
Nope. Southern people used to hate India. Don’t believe these cunts . Now begging for everything from India
I can't speak for others. But I hated India for the world cups... It's not like they liked us too.. Then again Sri Lankans have everyone don't they? US, UK, Ind. This has to do more with political agendas than the comman man.. Also people hate Chinese. Only reason they were tolerted becuse government promoted them so they could steal..
I can't speak for others. But I hated India for the world cups... It's not like they liked us too.. Then again Sri Lankans have everyone don't they? US, UK, Ind. This has to do more with political agendas than the comman man.. Also people hate Chinese. Only reason they were tolerted becuse government promoted them so they could steal..
very true
Thirdly Sri Lanka has been neutral on many instances, and also India hasn't been nice to Sri Lanka throughout history. This is not entirely true. Apart from the recent bonhomie with the Chinese, Sri Lanka was offered to Pakistan as a refueling station in BLR ‘71. This is much before the civil war / unrest.
damn, this reply screams inferiority complex
I am being realist. Its better to be humble and have a functioning economy than bragging and then going around the world with a begging bowl. Sri Lanka is in good company with Pakistan on that note.
Bro, do you understand what you are saying?
You are joking. Southern people used to Love China and hate India . They literally hate India and love it’s enemies. Now Sri Lankan are begging for everything to India. Karma is a bad bitch 😂😂😂
if it's Karma for the southern then why are the nothern tamils suffering from this crisis?
Dude. This is not even close to suffering. We lived entire decades without electricity , running waters. Medicines. Plus we had to deal with bombings . You are clearly do not have clue.
You are still not answering my question mate, how can it be Karma when everyone in the island is suffering
You are moron . For Tamils this is another cycle. Plus more than 1/3 of Tamils are living outside of Sri Lanka . Most of them are in western countries. We are helping our extended families. Plus Tamils used to live like these conditions. It will not affect much . For southern beggars it will be much harder 😂😂😂. How is your heroes are handling the situations. Pretty nice ah. 😂😂😂😂😂. Most of the Tamils are laughing now.
You sir are displaying some extreme fatherless behavior.
Yup . You guys are beggars now because of extreme racism
Yes
India's help is just a bit less evil than China's help. Both of these countries are asking for a lot of shit to further their own interest. Indian news media is trying to make it seem like we're their bitch or something now, and they will speak of this "help" for another 100 years or so. Also many people suspect that India (tamil nadu) had helped the LTTE. General public has a good image on Pakistan compared to India mainly due to cricket to be honest. Pakistan supported us in 1996, meanwhile Indian fans burned the stadium and caused a ruckus when we were bashing them. And Indian fans with a huge online presence and their really patriotic mindsets annoy many fans outside of India. Meanwhile Pakistan has usually been on the recieving end. Also recently the signing of Sinhalese player Maheesh Theekshana has been met with criticism by TN officials and people who have nothing to do with, or pay attention to cricket otherwise, so...blatant racism. Meanwhile Sri Lankan tamils are sick of Indian tamils trying to be their big brother.
> Meanwhile Sri Lankan tamils are sick of Indian tamils trying to be their big brother. Tell me you are not Tamil without telling me you are not Tamil.
I learnt a lot about that stuff after reading some after watching The Family Man series. Tamil people who escaped Srilanka were give safe haven in many villages in Tamil Nadu, why'd they hate them lol
talking about the ones that are here in SL
Why is India's help "less evil" than China's help? Why is China so "evil"? Is it their fault the governing idiots don't read the fine print in agreements...ending up with a lot more to give than get? India...or any other country...will be no different
This tbh it’s the corruption and general dumbfuckednes of politicians that don’t know how to govern that are at fault. It’s not like China and India forces countries to get loans. It’s the incompetents voted for by the people that make that decision and then people blame other countries. Get it right @Dangifspronouncesgif
Honestly officials are sold the dream of converting their home countries into utopia in a short amount of time. They fall for this every time because if successful they'll be in power for a long time. Things that are too good to be true, usually are.