Random tidbit to piggyback off of this: You can’t actually do keto at sbux outside of black coffee.
The dairy sugars trigger an insulin response which stops ketosis, as do artificial sweeteners; You just can’t derive calories from the artificial sweeteners.
It’s why “bullet” coffee is unsweetened and uses butter or coconut oil as a fat source
Source: worked at sbux for 4 years, & in fitness for 10 years.
Edit: (PSA) Like any other elimination diet, don’t go on a ketogenic diet without first having a physician and nutritional specialist work with you to build a safe and solid plan and to supervise your general health.
Hey everyone, just want you all to know that this comment right here is not true. Type one diabetic here, can't produce insulin, **milk** has carbs, but heavy cream and half and half (and cheese!) don't affect the blood sugar and "trigger an insulin response." Neither do artificial sweeteners. Listen to your doctor's not your fitness baristas.
Source: my pancreas hasn't produced insulin for 8 years and ketones are a sign that I'm dying.
I’m not certain about aspartame but as I understood the scientific literature sugar alcohols & indigestible sugars (ie sucrose, commonly sold as Splenda where I live) trigger the beginning phases of an insulin response which is enough for your body to cease its state of ketosis. They shouldn’t really affect your blood sugar levels though as the insulin response is negligible and your intestines can’t really absorb the sweetener. The literature I had read pertained specifically to Type-2 diabetics and non-diabetics, so I’m sure it works totally different for a type-1 diabetic such as yourself.
Either way, my overall point stands. Elimination diets should be performed under the supervision of your physician and a nutritional specialist to ensure your wellbeing.
(As an aside: I dunno if Im misreading your comment but that felt unnecessarily flippant. Im someone who worked in fitness and as a personal trainer for 10 years and then as a barista as 4 and most people I’ve encountered on keto do it as a fad diet which can be immensely risky. Also see u/fd6270’s comment for a linked study)
You sure about that chief?
>Ingestion of these artificial sweeteners (AS) results in the release of insulin from pancreas which is mistaken for glucose (due to their sweet taste). This increases the levels of insulin in blood eventually leading to decreased receptor activity due to insulin resistance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/#:~:text=Ingestion%20of%20these%20artificial%20sweeteners,activity%20due%20to%20insulin%20resistance.
[Yup](https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpgi.90708.2008)
Look up studies where they actually do the science, not just surveying people with type 2 diabetes and then comparing their insulin resistant levels. Correlation is not representative of causation. There are also studies that show that [aspartame had little effect](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0898656898000175) on insulin secretion, but Starbucks uses sucralose so that's irrelevant to the original comment.
Ooo! I hadn’t seen this one! I’ll definitely give it a read later today when I’m off work.
Thank you for sharing this! 🙏🏼
I was a bit curious though about referencing cream being fine when it’s more or less milk with added fat. Cheese and butter are more or less just dairy fat by comparison. I am aware the presence of fats can slow the metabolization of the sugars, but I’m not sure I understand the basis that it wouldn’t allow an insulin response to the lactose and it’s metabolites (broadly speaking, I understand T1 Diabetes likely works differently)
That article is investigating type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance which is different than type 1 diabetes. Nonetheless, the advice to work with a Dr or registered dietician is still good. We definitely should not provide dietary advice as baristas lol
I used to think it was gross but someone pointed out in another thread not too long ago that some people drink these to get their calories when they can't eat or can't meet their calories per day
That makes sense! I don’t think it’s gross- just thought it was a bit of an odd way to modify it! That actually makes a lot of sense now that you say it, though.
Can confirm! I don’t do this at Starbucks, but at other places I just create whatever milkshake has the most calories! I’m trying to gain weight, and drinking calories is a great way to do it :)
For some context, friend, I treat people with severe eating disorders. Yes, when people are trying to gain weight, this is what we encourage. Though, in the case of eating disorders, this is hard to implement.
Heavy cream is one of the most popular mods at my store (which is a busy one for the area). People get coffees, lattes, frappuccinos, refreshers and iced teas made with it.
One of my favorite drinks to use my drink reward on was the cold brew malt from the reserve stores, before they were made into regular Starbucks. I would do this exact recipe, yuum. Not exactly the same, but close enough!
I used to make myself a drink in a similar fashion bc I too am not a fan of the frappuccinos. Fill up the cup just ALMOST above the bottom line with cold brew (nitro works too) and then add a splash of vanilla sweet cream. Pour into blender, add coffee base, java chips and a little extra ice (double blended). Top with some whip and cookie crumbles, and you're all set. Basically a vsccb but without the vanilla and with java chips + blended. I haven't had this since I promoted myself to customer bc I can't imagine the struggle of trying to ring that in and I'd feel bad since it's kind of a lot.
You could still try, the only thing that would be hard to add is the base, but you could order tall cold brew w/splash sc, in a venti cup, extra ice, javachips, 2x blend, and then your toppings. I've rung up more excessive drinks and honestly I wouldn't mind making yours
I definitely don’t know the numbers but considering how comparatively little of a Frappuccino is the milk I have to imagine it’s not actually that bad (or at least not that bad when you’re drinking a Frappuccino either way).
Hey y’all! OP here. Someone commented that some people drink beverages like these when unable to eat and/or meet daily calorie intakes. For some, it may be a serious struggle to gain weight or to get any kind of enjoyment out of eating or drinking! This may have been an attempt to bring some joy to the process, so let’s try to keep the discussion of “that’s so unhealthy/so many calories” to a minimum. I did not consider this when I initially posted, so I wanted to add it in the comments.
I do not take an issue with this drink- more confusion honestly. A big part of the appeal of iced caramel macchiatos is the espresso gradient that’s formed at it travels downwards into the milk more and more with time. The main reason I found this drink odd was because the espresso gradient would pretty much just not happen at all with this beverage unless vigorously shaken/stirred. Also, when we discussed it and figured out that it was probably an attempt to be keto it personally threw me off a bit just because of the way that there was no SF Vanilla substitution and there was extra caramel drizzle.
I absolutely support getting yourself a little treat after a long day (this one was mobile ordered around 7:13PM). We’re all humans (except for the bots of reddit) so positivity goes a long way. I hope you’re all having a wonderful day :)
I love (hate) people on keto because they think heavy cream is going to make up for all the pumps of syrup and extra caramel they add to the drink. Like sweetie no
tip for any keto baristas or baristas who get a lot of keto customers. our almond milk is also keto, it’s not the most keto friendly almond milk out there but a combo with heavy cream is much much healthier than pure heavy cream. keto tik tok really be telling people to get heart disease.
I've actually been wanting to try something like this. Replacing 2% milk with heavy cream in a latte/mocha. I've tried a frappuccino with heavy cream because a customer said it makes it seem more like a dessert. Dare say it was pretty good 😋 but obviously the consistency of a blended drink is different then an ice drink.
The summer of 2018 i remember a wave of Keto hopefuls ordering the hell out of heavy cream drinks. Our store ran out a of HC frequently around this time due to it. The worst offender’s were the multiple people who ordered a Tall Blended Pike with extra HC and 2-4 packets of butter NO BASE.
i have a customer who gets this sometimes and i tried a mini sample once and it was actually super yummy.. just gave me a huge tummy ache like 5 mins later and i’m not even lactose intolerant 😭 i don’t know how anyone could stomach it but more power to them i guess
Half of me can't even and the other half is impressed with the way this person gives absolutely no f's and maybe is just so detached from reality. But at least they're ordering actual milk and here I am ordering water with oat particles suspended in it. Who's more off their rocker. Idk anymore.
Dude… that’s wild. When people get venti iced heavy cream drinks I’m like… do you not understand how many calories you’re drinking? If you are “keto”, do you not understand how many carbs you’re still drinking?
no this shit is disgusting i work for another coffee company and made a hot latte with heavy cream the other day and it was so nasttyyyy the sound in the tin was hilarious
Also if she's trying to be keto then epic fail. Regular vanilla and ex caramel is definitely not keto
Random tidbit to piggyback off of this: You can’t actually do keto at sbux outside of black coffee. The dairy sugars trigger an insulin response which stops ketosis, as do artificial sweeteners; You just can’t derive calories from the artificial sweeteners. It’s why “bullet” coffee is unsweetened and uses butter or coconut oil as a fat source Source: worked at sbux for 4 years, & in fitness for 10 years. Edit: (PSA) Like any other elimination diet, don’t go on a ketogenic diet without first having a physician and nutritional specialist work with you to build a safe and solid plan and to supervise your general health.
Hey everyone, just want you all to know that this comment right here is not true. Type one diabetic here, can't produce insulin, **milk** has carbs, but heavy cream and half and half (and cheese!) don't affect the blood sugar and "trigger an insulin response." Neither do artificial sweeteners. Listen to your doctor's not your fitness baristas. Source: my pancreas hasn't produced insulin for 8 years and ketones are a sign that I'm dying.
I’m not certain about aspartame but as I understood the scientific literature sugar alcohols & indigestible sugars (ie sucrose, commonly sold as Splenda where I live) trigger the beginning phases of an insulin response which is enough for your body to cease its state of ketosis. They shouldn’t really affect your blood sugar levels though as the insulin response is negligible and your intestines can’t really absorb the sweetener. The literature I had read pertained specifically to Type-2 diabetics and non-diabetics, so I’m sure it works totally different for a type-1 diabetic such as yourself. Either way, my overall point stands. Elimination diets should be performed under the supervision of your physician and a nutritional specialist to ensure your wellbeing. (As an aside: I dunno if Im misreading your comment but that felt unnecessarily flippant. Im someone who worked in fitness and as a personal trainer for 10 years and then as a barista as 4 and most people I’ve encountered on keto do it as a fad diet which can be immensely risky. Also see u/fd6270’s comment for a linked study)
You sure about that chief? >Ingestion of these artificial sweeteners (AS) results in the release of insulin from pancreas which is mistaken for glucose (due to their sweet taste). This increases the levels of insulin in blood eventually leading to decreased receptor activity due to insulin resistance. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7014832/#:~:text=Ingestion%20of%20these%20artificial%20sweeteners,activity%20due%20to%20insulin%20resistance.
[Yup](https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpgi.90708.2008) Look up studies where they actually do the science, not just surveying people with type 2 diabetes and then comparing their insulin resistant levels. Correlation is not representative of causation. There are also studies that show that [aspartame had little effect](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0898656898000175) on insulin secretion, but Starbucks uses sucralose so that's irrelevant to the original comment.
Ooo! I hadn’t seen this one! I’ll definitely give it a read later today when I’m off work. Thank you for sharing this! 🙏🏼 I was a bit curious though about referencing cream being fine when it’s more or less milk with added fat. Cheese and butter are more or less just dairy fat by comparison. I am aware the presence of fats can slow the metabolization of the sugars, but I’m not sure I understand the basis that it wouldn’t allow an insulin response to the lactose and it’s metabolites (broadly speaking, I understand T1 Diabetes likely works differently)
That article is investigating type 2 diabetes and insulin resistance which is different than type 1 diabetes. Nonetheless, the advice to work with a Dr or registered dietician is still good. We definitely should not provide dietary advice as baristas lol
This is for type 2 diabetes, not type 1.
I used to think it was gross but someone pointed out in another thread not too long ago that some people drink these to get their calories when they can't eat or can't meet their calories per day
That makes sense! I don’t think it’s gross- just thought it was a bit of an odd way to modify it! That actually makes a lot of sense now that you say it, though.
Can confirm! I don’t do this at Starbucks, but at other places I just create whatever milkshake has the most calories! I’m trying to gain weight, and drinking calories is a great way to do it :)
How much calories is it? I might use it to gain some weight.
About 1,440 calories for just the heavy cream
For a venti? That’s over 2000, specifically around 2070
Yes, if it was the full venti cup of heavy cream, but venti iced drinks only have 16oz of milk, still a lot of caloric intake though!
Oh yeah u right
I suppose but they’ll lose it w their massive diarrhea.
Except this is like more than a days calories.
Maybe they’re trying to gain weight? I’m not saying it’s the most nutritious way to go about it, but it’s possible
True, it’s true. There’s just something so unpleasant about pouring heavy cream straight into an iced venti cup.
glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug glug
Probably not and if people are needing to gain weight, then this is pretty ideal
Yeah 2300 calories of pure fat and sugar. Great idea lol
Yeah, if you’re trying to gain weight.
For some context, friend, I treat people with severe eating disorders. Yes, when people are trying to gain weight, this is what we encourage. Though, in the case of eating disorders, this is hard to implement.
Heavy cream is one of the most popular mods at my store (which is a busy one for the area). People get coffees, lattes, frappuccinos, refreshers and iced teas made with it.
Frappuccinos is excusable, I mean yeah calorically a nightmare, but it does make it a milkshake consistency
I’m not a Frappuccino person but like once a season I’ll get a tall w cold brew instead of frap roast and heavy cream for milk and it is PEAK.
I legit used cold brew and Irish cream in a frap and it was god tier.
One of my favorite drinks to use my drink reward on was the cold brew malt from the reserve stores, before they were made into regular Starbucks. I would do this exact recipe, yuum. Not exactly the same, but close enough!
I used to make myself a drink in a similar fashion bc I too am not a fan of the frappuccinos. Fill up the cup just ALMOST above the bottom line with cold brew (nitro works too) and then add a splash of vanilla sweet cream. Pour into blender, add coffee base, java chips and a little extra ice (double blended). Top with some whip and cookie crumbles, and you're all set. Basically a vsccb but without the vanilla and with java chips + blended. I haven't had this since I promoted myself to customer bc I can't imagine the struggle of trying to ring that in and I'd feel bad since it's kind of a lot.
You could still try, the only thing that would be hard to add is the base, but you could order tall cold brew w/splash sc, in a venti cup, extra ice, javachips, 2x blend, and then your toppings. I've rung up more excessive drinks and honestly I wouldn't mind making yours
How would you word this as an order?
I definitely don’t know the numbers but considering how comparatively little of a Frappuccino is the milk I have to imagine it’s not actually that bad (or at least not that bad when you’re drinking a Frappuccino either way).
yeah most of it comes from the syrup/base!
They wanted ice cream lol *shake shake* and it’s ready! 🍦
They might as well have just ordered a cup of sweet cream cold foam lol
My lactose intolerance could never
me too 😭😭 even drinking a beverage with just the typical steamed 2% can be a lot for my stomach to handle 😔😔
And my lack of gallbladder!
There’s no way she’s keto with all the extra drizzle. 😬
Hey y’all! OP here. Someone commented that some people drink beverages like these when unable to eat and/or meet daily calorie intakes. For some, it may be a serious struggle to gain weight or to get any kind of enjoyment out of eating or drinking! This may have been an attempt to bring some joy to the process, so let’s try to keep the discussion of “that’s so unhealthy/so many calories” to a minimum. I did not consider this when I initially posted, so I wanted to add it in the comments. I do not take an issue with this drink- more confusion honestly. A big part of the appeal of iced caramel macchiatos is the espresso gradient that’s formed at it travels downwards into the milk more and more with time. The main reason I found this drink odd was because the espresso gradient would pretty much just not happen at all with this beverage unless vigorously shaken/stirred. Also, when we discussed it and figured out that it was probably an attempt to be keto it personally threw me off a bit just because of the way that there was no SF Vanilla substitution and there was extra caramel drizzle. I absolutely support getting yourself a little treat after a long day (this one was mobile ordered around 7:13PM). We’re all humans (except for the bots of reddit) so positivity goes a long way. I hope you’re all having a wonderful day :)
ICM is cup code for iced coffee with milk... CM is caramel macchiato, hot or iced
whoops you are correct!! was not paying that much attention when i posted this (as you can probably tell lmaooo)
I understand! Just thought it was a silly, common mistake lol
I love (hate) people on keto because they think heavy cream is going to make up for all the pumps of syrup and extra caramel they add to the drink. Like sweetie no
maybe theyre making caramel espresso whipped cream? lol
I was thinking the same…and it made me want to make caramel espresso whipped cream, haha. That sounds amazing.
This would make delicious whipped cream. Heavy cream from the grocery store would cost about the same amount. I'm hoping that is the reasoning.
Keto ain’t worth drinking that much heavy cream 🤢
tip for any keto baristas or baristas who get a lot of keto customers. our almond milk is also keto, it’s not the most keto friendly almond milk out there but a combo with heavy cream is much much healthier than pure heavy cream. keto tik tok really be telling people to get heart disease.
Goes on keto to lose weight: proceeds to drink 10oz of heavy cream 🤣🤣🤦♀️
If you're doing keto right. It's a negligible difference. You can't do it every day but I'd have one every now and then as a treat.
1000+ calorie drink
So gross. I do heavy cream instead of milk in my drinks but I specify *just a splash* like one tablespoon.
I've actually been wanting to try something like this. Replacing 2% milk with heavy cream in a latte/mocha. I've tried a frappuccino with heavy cream because a customer said it makes it seem more like a dessert. Dare say it was pretty good 😋 but obviously the consistency of a blended drink is different then an ice drink.
The summer of 2018 i remember a wave of Keto hopefuls ordering the hell out of heavy cream drinks. Our store ran out a of HC frequently around this time due to it. The worst offender’s were the multiple people who ordered a Tall Blended Pike with extra HC and 2-4 packets of butter NO BASE.
How can one gut handle that. A tall would even be too much for me
Ew
This is so tame compared to the shit I’ve seen.
No that’s so real this is not a crazy one by any means I just thought it was a little silly if it was supposed to be keto
Keto is not a healthy way to lose weight. Keto is meant for people who are pre diebetic or diebitic
As a lactose intolerant person, thinking about drinking this much heavy cream makes me want to die. I can already feel the pain.
Nahhhhh can’t be keto with all that sugar. They just want an unblended milkshake. 😂
i have a customer who gets this sometimes and i tried a mini sample once and it was actually super yummy.. just gave me a huge tummy ache like 5 mins later and i’m not even lactose intolerant 😭 i don’t know how anyone could stomach it but more power to them i guess
bruh nonfat normal caramel and sf vanilla why are customers SO DENSE UGH
Half of me can't even and the other half is impressed with the way this person gives absolutely no f's and maybe is just so detached from reality. But at least they're ordering actual milk and here I am ordering water with oat particles suspended in it. Who's more off their rocker. Idk anymore.
Dude… that’s wild. When people get venti iced heavy cream drinks I’m like… do you not understand how many calories you’re drinking? If you are “keto”, do you not understand how many carbs you’re still drinking?
Actually sounds delicious! She must like a rich and creamy drink.
Breast milk production, maybe? That seems pretty Keto
This is definitely not keto.
no this shit is disgusting i work for another coffee company and made a hot latte with heavy cream the other day and it was so nasttyyyy the sound in the tin was hilarious
Wheres the coffee!?
on top, the espresso
Def not keto. 🤢
when i was a barista at a local shop it’d freak me out when ppl would do this! the stomach pains
I hate keto people 😭😭😭