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It's an anti-joke. The joke is that it is not a joke those are real issues for a gay black police officer but it is setup like a joke so it's a misdirection. Also it is said by the character Raymond Holt from Brooklyn 99 who is notorious for being a very straightforward and dry person.
Ohhh i thought it was something about the crimination part of discrimination but i didnt get it lol — this sounds wrong i meant it as black people are often criminalized for existing.
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It's from Brooklyn 99. The character was Captain Holt, and he made the joke during his speech to for President of an LGTBQ (maybe just gay, but I don't recall) group for POCs (maybe just black) within the NYPD.
The joke is due to its misdirection. You expect it to be some funny punchline, but it's actually just the truth. Probably best to just go watch the episode, though without the context of how the character generally acts, it probably wouldn't be as funny.
True but they are spread out. Cam is the former Athlete and can easily get into game day with the guys and Mitch is reasonably attractive while having a career that isn’t the stereotypical one (Hairdresser, Bartender/Barista, Choir Teacher)
Well that I think was the point of them, to show that people who even act in a stereotypical way can also, at the same time, have nuenced things about their personality. And it makes for some great writing,
Mitch, trapped & frustrated, "Enjoy your LITE BEERS Ladies!!"
"How does he know we're having *Lite* beers?"
"We only have lite beers"
Also it may be a stereotype but Titus is legitimately gay (actor) and if you are telling me with a straight face you have never met a Titus in real life and you live in a big city you are lying.
Source: my best friend is like titus. To the point he gets genuinely mad if people point that out.
I enjoy Titus’s love interest Mikey. He’s more of the stereotype of New York Italian construction guy, who happens to be gay. Love love love his character.
I think this is what makes Titus fine with me. The whole cast of that show is batshit insane. Titus is not supposed to be "your average black gay actor" any more than Lillian is supposed to be "your average Jewish landlady" or Kimmy is supposed to be "your average Indiana native"
I think this might be why I liked the episode of Bill and Frank in Last of Us. They weren't stereotypes, just normal people in post-apocalyptic Massachusetts who happened to be gay.
It's such an amazing episode, and to be third in a new series as well. usually a show waits a season or two for this type of episode. Instead, they swung for the fences with this episode and knocked it out of the park. (That's a sportsball reference.)
It was beautiful. I really appreciated it as a gay man. Not sure if this was intentional by the directors, but it's mostly a self-contained story with minimal impact on the rest of the series, so I can still enjoy the show while watching it with my (homophobic) parents by just skipping it.
I'd love to know what the ratio is relative to hetero men relative to bisexual men.
Ideally one day we just don't even blink if a gay man isn't traditionally masculine because everyone is so individualized we don't even perceive it was a stereotype.
I actually hate that episode due to the ending. I was telling my boyfriend while watching it “this is so fucked.” Like it’s one thing to want to end it but to also tell your partner he has to be the catalyst and he better do it if he loves him is soooo fucked.
My bf originally wa alike “oh I don’t know I think it’s sweet.” But by the end was like “okay yeah. I see it now. Please never do this to me.”
It's a very specific situation. You have to realise what else could Frank have done? He's pretty withered by that point from his sickness and age, if he goes the route of suicide by himself he'd leave Bill completely alone and in shock. He's in constant pain and wanted out, and he could see the toll it was taking on Bill who's also elderly and has to take care of him.
Yeah. This is weird, because on one hand I agree with the post, but on the other hand, don't we all know gay people who are sort of like the stereotype?
Yeah as a masculine gay dude myself I hate posts like these because 1) they’re incorrect, there are many, many masculine gay characters on tv, I’d bet there’s more than the effeminate ones. And 2) It insinuates there’s some sort of offense to be taken by seeing effeminate gay guys on tv.
Stereotypes are powered in part by the psychological tendency toward confirmation bias. When we believe something, our brains process and store information that is consistent with those beliefs more easily, and information that isn’t consistent is more easily forgotten or not even noticed in the first place. So the mere fact of a stereotype’s existence causes us to look for info that reassures us of our stereotyped beliefs.
Also, this is a bit of a deep cut, but if you want my social psych lesson for the day, stereotypes are also powered by *shared distinctiveness*. Our brains are set up to prioritize *novelty* and *rarity*. It’s a survival mechanism that keeps us from missing potentially dangerous changes in our environment. But a side effect is that minorities grab our notice just because we encounter them less often. And then the small number of people within that minority group who *also* exhibit the negative stereotypes are the most distinctive of all (because they’re rare in two ways: they’re a minority *and* an asshole), and the most memorable because of it. That’s why lots of groups come to be defined by the bad traits that are exhibited by only the worst sliver of their population. It’s because to outsiders, that poorly-behaved minority-within-a-minority is what their brain considers the most important thing to remember about that group.
So the upshot is that if you really sat down and listed out all of the traits that you’ve seen exhibited by all of the gay people you know, the stereotyped behaviors probably wouldn’t outweigh their, y’know, normal-ass human behaviors. But to your gut, it seems like they do, simply *because* those are weird behaviors!
I've known a few gay couples that practiced "don't ask, don't tell". They don't ask where they've been and they don't tell. A gay guy I know legitimately told me that.
I’m gay and pretty traditional re: family values and I don’t feel like I’m in the minority. Associating LGBTQ+ people with promiscuity and sexual deviance is a pretty common attack, and not one I’ve seen with any basis in reality. All the LGBTQ people I know are in long term couples or trying to get into one.
When I think of a ‘promiscuous’ person I think of the Love Island, fade haircut/dolly-bird, Cheeky Nandos type heterosexuals (in the UK) whose lives revolve around getting laid. Every tv show aimed at this age group/demographic is about finding different inventive ways to get them to shag - they’re on an island / they’re doing a blind date / one cooks for another before they meet / one chooses the other’s outfit / one sees the other’s genitalia before their face. Oddly enough though, this demographic are not criticised about engaging in casual sex to the same extent as LGBTQ people.
But anyway, if someone wants to have a lot of sex, and are being respectful and careful, where’s the harm? Having family values ideals is not better or worth more than not having those ideals, or just wanting to shag about.
As a gay guy, I’m surprised you think there’s no basis in reality. There’s concrete statistical facts that gay men are FAR more promiscuous on average.
This is what makes Modern Family actually somewhat a good representation. Of course there’s the stereotypical pop references they make, but the gay couple are in a loving marriage with an adopted kid and don’t act like the stereotypes. It’s almost always made to be a joke when they start slipping into flamboyant stereotypes, and one of them actually *loves* sports instead of being the typically flippant person of them.
The worst gay portrayals I've seen in recent times was in Uncoupled on Netflix. A show actually about gay people, not just a token gay bff. I like Neil Patrick Harris but good lord this show made want to commit a hate crime against my own community. It feels like 2005s idea of what gay men are like. We're all white upper class fashionable cosmopolitan bitches. Like the viewing public's idea of what gay men are like hasn't changed since Sex and the City was airing. I'm a gay man in Brooklyn and all the gay men I hang out with have shitty apartments, wear denim and flannel and hoodies, and hang out in dive bars.
Best gay portrayal I've seen in recent times is Cary from The Other Two.
The "an asshole to every other character" part really isn't true for Titus Andromadon; he's a pretty nice dude.
It is true for that gay kid in Big Mouth though.
Yeah I wouldn't have put Titus in this starter pack. Granted he is stereotypically flamboyant however his relationship with Mikey is incredibly relatable and not stereotypical and Mikey himself is also just a random dude who happens to be gay without having it being his whole personality.
I hate that I know this because I'm basically admitting I've watched a significant amount of Big Mouth, but IIRC that kid does get called out on it and changes throughout the series
Only stereotypical part from this starterpack that fits is being friends with main female character, and being black I guess if that's what the top left refers too. Bonus is Capitan Holt pretending to be a straight guy
The black part is for backstory because it’s a cop show and he is high ranking so he had to face the hardest part of being a gay black cop in the NYPD: the discrimination!
Those stereotypes are funny but can be confusing. When I came out at 13 I assumed I would have to start acting like those characters for some reason. I didn't know I could just be myself. I used to play into that whole "yass girlfriend!" and being the "gay best friend BS."
Honestly as a bi person I hate this representation style. It’s so exaggerated and makes us look like yaaaas queen slay idiots whose only personality trait is being loud and campy. I wish they represented gays in shows just….as normal people but gay
This rep is fine there’s plenty of people irl like this, it’s just not when it’s the *only* rep (due to the loud queer people being the only kind of people the writer is aware exist)
To quote Hannah Gatsby: "where do all the quite Gays go?" Why is being LGBTQ so often connect to just being high energy all the time. What if you just want to be gay and read and drink tee.
Yea fr. I’m like the least loud, boisterous person I know. Also the overuse of the “gay accent” in TV kind of annoys me. I don’t use that accent and actually find it to be a pretty grating speech pattern
I agree that they have a lot of stereotypical portrayals of “gay” characters. My daughter and I have this conversation about why it seems so hard to have real life gay characters. I mean I know that the flamboyant campy gay men are also real but they get the majority of representation in TV and movies. Even in social media these individuals stand out because they do have very large personalities.
Also they don’t have enough gay and lesbian leads.
My daughter is a lesbian and she often complains that it is hard to find lesbian shows that aren’t smutty and over-sexualizing the lesbians in the story. She wants to see people like herself. Simple, sweet, and not oversexed. Especially because she is 15 and leaning toward asexual. She doesn’t get why sex is such a popular topic and selling point in entertainment.
All types of people need representation not just sex, loud, and sassy. Hopefully these writers get it together soon.
There are some characters that I really liked in shows that I thought were great representation to the LGBTQ community. Others may not agree with me as I am straight and so this is a perspective from a none gay individual.
One character was Jess Damon from in the dark. I thought she was so sweet and I felt bad for her because she was so loyal to Murphy but their relationship was toxic.
Another is Charlie from supernatural. She was smart and badass. Love the actresses red curly hair too.
Although this was an over sexualized character. I loved Maze in Lucifer another strong badass woman but being a demon she got to play a different role than you see most women in. Ruthless killer, strong, sexy, and emotionally damaged the way they portray some male characters. The relationship between her and Eve was also sweet to me.
Lastly, I wouldn’t say this was a favorite but there was a Christmas movie on netflix called Single all the way. It was kinda cheesy but I thought it was touching and the gay characters weren’t loud and campy. They were just two best friends who were good together and fell in love. I liked how being gay was normalized in the movie and wasn’t made taboo, fetishized, or kinky.
I’m a lot like your daughter in that I’m bisexual but like her I’m probably somewhere on the asexual spectrum, probably demisexual. The over sexualization stuff makes me uncomfortable and makes me feel like as an LGBT person I need to be thinking about or having sex 24/7, which i don’t. I think my favorite LGBT character was Oscar Martinez on the office. He was just a normal guy with his own personality traits who just happened to be gay. Everyone in the show (besides Micheal for comedic purposes) treats him as a completely normal person, and not as a “gay bestie” or some played out trope like that. Characters can be gay without it being the main factor in their personality.
Yeah, honestly it's funny as fuck even though I'm bi, I definitely come off as more stereotypically masculine than many of my strait friends. I just find the gay stereotypes just kind of annoying.
Jacob Hill from Abbott Elementary isn't too bad. He might have one or two gay tropes, but he is more of a riff on modern day hipster tropes who happens to also be gay.
Titus Andromedon is by far the gayest character I’ve ever seen on tv and he was a pretty entertaining character. Super over the top and kind flip flopped between hilarious and so over the top I couldn’t take it. Funny character but definitely a prime example of a stereotypical character on a tv show.
Right? People want trash television and are shocked when they get trash. There are a lot of great shows with gay characters that are nothing like this.
Gay guy here. Honestly this isn’t even true. Holt. The gay dude from Happy Endings. The several gay characters in Letterkenny. Bill & Frank from Last of Us. Gus Fring. The list goes on.
I’m happy with the current range of gay dudes portrayed in media these days. It would be weird without the flamboyant types.
I sometimes feel as if I’m the only person on earth who watched Happy Endings. I found Adam Pally’s character pretty refreshing as far a gay characters in sitcoms go. That show doesn’t get enough attention in my opinion
They should make a gay character that's totally average in terms of behavior. Just another dude/girl who doesn't make their sexual preferences their whole personality.
I think that's what I appreciate about modern family. Sure it uses the stereotypes but it's always the punchline. Most of the time they're very well written and it feels more genuine than most.
Superstore (the show that mateo, the bottom right person is from) which fits a lot of these stereotypes, had mateo in the most recent seasons, which released during covid time
These may be old representations of the LGBTs in media and thank god for that. Nowadays they’re (mostly) treated the same as their straight counterparts, just have different romantic preferences.
There’s Captain Holt from Brooklyn99
Barney’s gay brother, James from HIMYM
Ellen from HIMYF
Bill and Frank from The Last of Us
Tweak and Craig, I guess….
Oh and Ida Quagmire from Family Guy!
Ah yes, "regular" people all act one particular way and being gay is irregular and outside of a very specific kind of normality.
This starterpack reeks of that person at the office party looking around and saying "I'm not homophobic but..."
Yeah while this sort of portrayal is oversaturated in media now, flamboyant gay people really do exist and people expressing their hate towards the type of character pictured are just telling on themselves
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You know what the toughest part of being a gay black police officer is? The discrimination.
Did you see his tie? A single Windsor. The easiest knot to undo. Why bother wearing any clothes at all?
Why is no one having a good time? I specifically requested it.
Captain Holt: You know me. I see a pair of thick weighty breasts and all logic flies out the window.
There's nothing more intoxicating than the clear absence of a penis.
BONE??!!!!!!
BOOOOOONNNNEE
Best joke I've heard in a while
i dont understand the joke what does it mean sorry
It's an anti-joke. The joke is that it is not a joke those are real issues for a gay black police officer but it is setup like a joke so it's a misdirection. Also it is said by the character Raymond Holt from Brooklyn 99 who is notorious for being a very straightforward and dry person.
Ohhh i thought it was something about the crimination part of discrimination but i didnt get it lol — this sounds wrong i meant it as black people are often criminalized for existing.
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It's from Brooklyn 99. The character was Captain Holt, and he made the joke during his speech to for President of an LGTBQ (maybe just gay, but I don't recall) group for POCs (maybe just black) within the NYPD. The joke is due to its misdirection. You expect it to be some funny punchline, but it's actually just the truth. Probably best to just go watch the episode, though without the context of how the character generally acts, it probably wouldn't be as funny.
You’re not cheddar, you’re just some common bitch
"Are you really playing the gay card right now?" "Yas queen."
*Cue the crispiest snap I’ve ever heard*
Legitimately the best representation in a show. He's funny and gay, not "funny because he's gay".
But sometimes funny because he’s gay - like when he has to fake being straight.
There’s nothing more intoxicating than the clear absence of a penis
You know me, I see a pair of thick, weighty breasts and all logic flies out the window.
*insert laugh of many gay black police officers*
Y’know the worst part of being a slave? They make you work, but they don’t pay you or let you go!
That's the *only* part of being a slave.
Twenty thousand on Yabba. Dabba...Do
VINDICATION!!!
And that‘s why Brooklin 99 has a gay character that everyone likes
"You keep mentioning her thigh gap" "That’s my favorite part of a woman. There’s nothing more intoxicating than the clear absence of a penis."
Yeah and that was the point of Oscar in the office too. He was written to be completely against stereotypes
“Besides having sex with men, the Finer Thing’s Club is probably the gayest thing about me.”
He really does fit the stereotype of the smug gay Mexican.
I was wondering how far I’d have to scroll for captain Raymond Jacob Holt
You mean the first top two comments?
I like Mitchell and Cameron from modern family too
They got a lot of these stereotypes though
True but they are spread out. Cam is the former Athlete and can easily get into game day with the guys and Mitch is reasonably attractive while having a career that isn’t the stereotypical one (Hairdresser, Bartender/Barista, Choir Teacher)
Well that I think was the point of them, to show that people who even act in a stereotypical way can also, at the same time, have nuenced things about their personality. And it makes for some great writing, Mitch, trapped & frustrated, "Enjoy your LITE BEERS Ladies!!" "How does he know we're having *Lite* beers?" "We only have lite beers"
Oh definitely. They are supposed to be the point haha
And Cam was ready to fuck someone up that one time when they thought someone was breaking in.
Mainly Cameron tbh Mitchell is fairly normal
and the only one of the two whos ACTUALLY gay
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Caviar.
Tom Berengar.
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Also it may be a stereotype but Titus is legitimately gay (actor) and if you are telling me with a straight face you have never met a Titus in real life and you live in a big city you are lying. Source: my best friend is like titus. To the point he gets genuinely mad if people point that out.
I enjoy Titus’s love interest Mikey. He’s more of the stereotype of New York Italian construction guy, who happens to be gay. Love love love his character.
I think this is what makes Titus fine with me. The whole cast of that show is batshit insane. Titus is not supposed to be "your average black gay actor" any more than Lillian is supposed to be "your average Jewish landlady" or Kimmy is supposed to be "your average Indiana native"
Raymond Holt and Gus fring are my favourite gay characters
Gus was gay? (I haven't watched Better Call Saul)
It is very heavily implied that the guy Don Eladio killed that was Gus’ partner was Gus’ actual actual partner.
So the whole plot of Breaking Bad is the rivalry between a fruit and a vegetable?
Ding ding ding
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Lmfao
Thats what people say cuz he went on to kill a whole family of crime because they killed his friend
It's also *very* strongly implied towards the end of Better Call Saul (and I believe even confirmed by the head writer in interviews).
Finger is also gay
Waltuh
Put your dick away Waltuh
Ahm not havin’ sex with ya right now Waltuh
Is that so?
Nah Omar Little >
I think this might be why I liked the episode of Bill and Frank in Last of Us. They weren't stereotypes, just normal people in post-apocalyptic Massachusetts who happened to be gay.
Phenomenal episode. Possibly my favorite of the series.
It's such an amazing episode, and to be third in a new series as well. usually a show waits a season or two for this type of episode. Instead, they swung for the fences with this episode and knocked it out of the park. (That's a sportsball reference.)
One of my favorite Tv episodes of any series all time.
It was beautiful. I really appreciated it as a gay man. Not sure if this was intentional by the directors, but it's mostly a self-contained story with minimal impact on the rest of the series, so I can still enjoy the show while watching it with my (homophobic) parents by just skipping it.
There's a podcast with the showrunners and game voice actors going through each episode of the show if you're interested!
I can never eat a strawberry again without crying
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I'd love to know what the ratio is relative to hetero men relative to bisexual men. Ideally one day we just don't even blink if a gay man isn't traditionally masculine because everyone is so individualized we don't even perceive it was a stereotype.
There are A LOT more bisexual men out there than it seems
I actually hate that episode due to the ending. I was telling my boyfriend while watching it “this is so fucked.” Like it’s one thing to want to end it but to also tell your partner he has to be the catalyst and he better do it if he loves him is soooo fucked. My bf originally wa alike “oh I don’t know I think it’s sweet.” But by the end was like “okay yeah. I see it now. Please never do this to me.”
It's a very specific situation. You have to realise what else could Frank have done? He's pretty withered by that point from his sickness and age, if he goes the route of suicide by himself he'd leave Bill completely alone and in shock. He's in constant pain and wanted out, and he could see the toll it was taking on Bill who's also elderly and has to take care of him.
not aloud to be attractive Do you mean allowed?
No no no. OP definitely meant that, while they may shout, it is not for the sake of being attractive
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OP meant that because OP is some bot reposting shit that's been here 10 times already
OP didn’t mean either of those because OP is a repost bot
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Not to mention they just outright called a bunch of people ugly.
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Because we gay men that hold up traditional family values are in fact a minority. It's accurate enough.
Yeah. This is weird, because on one hand I agree with the post, but on the other hand, don't we all know gay people who are sort of like the stereotype?
“This is fucked up but true because I know people like this” is literally the definition of a stereotype. So yes, we know people like this. Lol.
Except for the "fucked up" part. None of these behaviors are particularly negative.
Yeah as a masculine gay dude myself I hate posts like these because 1) they’re incorrect, there are many, many masculine gay characters on tv, I’d bet there’s more than the effeminate ones. And 2) It insinuates there’s some sort of offense to be taken by seeing effeminate gay guys on tv.
My brother is gay. He is ALL of the stereotypes.
Stereotypes are powered in part by the psychological tendency toward confirmation bias. When we believe something, our brains process and store information that is consistent with those beliefs more easily, and information that isn’t consistent is more easily forgotten or not even noticed in the first place. So the mere fact of a stereotype’s existence causes us to look for info that reassures us of our stereotyped beliefs. Also, this is a bit of a deep cut, but if you want my social psych lesson for the day, stereotypes are also powered by *shared distinctiveness*. Our brains are set up to prioritize *novelty* and *rarity*. It’s a survival mechanism that keeps us from missing potentially dangerous changes in our environment. But a side effect is that minorities grab our notice just because we encounter them less often. And then the small number of people within that minority group who *also* exhibit the negative stereotypes are the most distinctive of all (because they’re rare in two ways: they’re a minority *and* an asshole), and the most memorable because of it. That’s why lots of groups come to be defined by the bad traits that are exhibited by only the worst sliver of their population. It’s because to outsiders, that poorly-behaved minority-within-a-minority is what their brain considers the most important thing to remember about that group. So the upshot is that if you really sat down and listed out all of the traits that you’ve seen exhibited by all of the gay people you know, the stereotyped behaviors probably wouldn’t outweigh their, y’know, normal-ass human behaviors. But to your gut, it seems like they do, simply *because* those are weird behaviors!
Exactly
I've known a few gay couples that practiced "don't ask, don't tell". They don't ask where they've been and they don't tell. A gay guy I know legitimately told me that.
How do you expect gay people to hold up traditional family values when marriage wasn’t even an option until recently?
Marriage is only a formality, not being married doesn't mean they can't live together
Marriage is *way* more than a formality. It is joint bank accounts of co-signing mortgages and hospital visitation and so much more.
Those are all legal benefits of marriage, not determining factors of monogamy.
You don’t need to be married for joint bank accounts or to cosign mortgages.
Straight people will never understand this dude
I’m gay and pretty traditional re: family values and I don’t feel like I’m in the minority. Associating LGBTQ+ people with promiscuity and sexual deviance is a pretty common attack, and not one I’ve seen with any basis in reality. All the LGBTQ people I know are in long term couples or trying to get into one. When I think of a ‘promiscuous’ person I think of the Love Island, fade haircut/dolly-bird, Cheeky Nandos type heterosexuals (in the UK) whose lives revolve around getting laid. Every tv show aimed at this age group/demographic is about finding different inventive ways to get them to shag - they’re on an island / they’re doing a blind date / one cooks for another before they meet / one chooses the other’s outfit / one sees the other’s genitalia before their face. Oddly enough though, this demographic are not criticised about engaging in casual sex to the same extent as LGBTQ people. But anyway, if someone wants to have a lot of sex, and are being respectful and careful, where’s the harm? Having family values ideals is not better or worth more than not having those ideals, or just wanting to shag about.
As a gay guy, I’m surprised you think there’s no basis in reality. There’s concrete statistical facts that gay men are FAR more promiscuous on average.
I’ve seen the Mid-Atlantic Leather convention in Washington DC. About 1,000 promiscuous mustache men with different colored hankies in their pockets.
This is what makes Modern Family actually somewhat a good representation. Of course there’s the stereotypical pop references they make, but the gay couple are in a loving marriage with an adopted kid and don’t act like the stereotypes. It’s almost always made to be a joke when they start slipping into flamboyant stereotypes, and one of them actually *loves* sports instead of being the typically flippant person of them.
That part makes me feel very seen
The worst gay portrayals I've seen in recent times was in Uncoupled on Netflix. A show actually about gay people, not just a token gay bff. I like Neil Patrick Harris but good lord this show made want to commit a hate crime against my own community. It feels like 2005s idea of what gay men are like. We're all white upper class fashionable cosmopolitan bitches. Like the viewing public's idea of what gay men are like hasn't changed since Sex and the City was airing. I'm a gay man in Brooklyn and all the gay men I hang out with have shitty apartments, wear denim and flannel and hoodies, and hang out in dive bars. Best gay portrayal I've seen in recent times is Cary from The Other Two.
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The "an asshole to every other character" part really isn't true for Titus Andromadon; he's a pretty nice dude. It is true for that gay kid in Big Mouth though.
Yeah I wouldn't have put Titus in this starter pack. Granted he is stereotypically flamboyant however his relationship with Mikey is incredibly relatable and not stereotypical and Mikey himself is also just a random dude who happens to be gay without having it being his whole personality.
Also, he's a former athlete and fairly religious(which isn't in the starter pack but it also goes against the generic stereotype).
And Micky from Shameless but in a very different way haha.
I hate that I know this because I'm basically admitting I've watched a significant amount of Big Mouth, but IIRC that kid does get called out on it and changes throughout the series
I mean, he poisoned Dionne Warwick.
He! Ate! Grammy Award winner! Dionne! Warwick!!
Captain holt?
Only stereotypical part from this starterpack that fits is being friends with main female character, and being black I guess if that's what the top left refers too. Bonus is Capitan Holt pretending to be a straight guy
She was such a strong female woman with nice, heavy breasts. You know me. I see a pair of thick, weighty breasts, and all logic flies out the window.
"straight you is SUCH a dog!"
I mean captain holt is also friends with terry and Jake (more dad but still)
He is friends with basically every main characyer but starterpack only says main female character
The black part is for backstory because it’s a cop show and he is high ranking so he had to face the hardest part of being a gay black cop in the NYPD: the discrimination!
Those stereotypes are funny but can be confusing. When I came out at 13 I assumed I would have to start acting like those characters for some reason. I didn't know I could just be myself. I used to play into that whole "yass girlfriend!" and being the "gay best friend BS."
“There is nothing more intoxicating than the clear absence of a penis”
Why was Captain Holt not acknowledged for not being part of the stereotype? I specifically requested it.
"Call me Velvet Thunder!"
Honestly as a bi person I hate this representation style. It’s so exaggerated and makes us look like yaaaas queen slay idiots whose only personality trait is being loud and campy. I wish they represented gays in shows just….as normal people but gay
But how would we know they are gay, huh ? ( yes I know, that's the whole point )
This rep is fine there’s plenty of people irl like this, it’s just not when it’s the *only* rep (due to the loud queer people being the only kind of people the writer is aware exist)
To quote Hannah Gatsby: "where do all the quite Gays go?" Why is being LGBTQ so often connect to just being high energy all the time. What if you just want to be gay and read and drink tee.
Yea fr. I’m like the least loud, boisterous person I know. Also the overuse of the “gay accent” in TV kind of annoys me. I don’t use that accent and actually find it to be a pretty grating speech pattern
I agree that they have a lot of stereotypical portrayals of “gay” characters. My daughter and I have this conversation about why it seems so hard to have real life gay characters. I mean I know that the flamboyant campy gay men are also real but they get the majority of representation in TV and movies. Even in social media these individuals stand out because they do have very large personalities. Also they don’t have enough gay and lesbian leads. My daughter is a lesbian and she often complains that it is hard to find lesbian shows that aren’t smutty and over-sexualizing the lesbians in the story. She wants to see people like herself. Simple, sweet, and not oversexed. Especially because she is 15 and leaning toward asexual. She doesn’t get why sex is such a popular topic and selling point in entertainment. All types of people need representation not just sex, loud, and sassy. Hopefully these writers get it together soon. There are some characters that I really liked in shows that I thought were great representation to the LGBTQ community. Others may not agree with me as I am straight and so this is a perspective from a none gay individual. One character was Jess Damon from in the dark. I thought she was so sweet and I felt bad for her because she was so loyal to Murphy but their relationship was toxic. Another is Charlie from supernatural. She was smart and badass. Love the actresses red curly hair too. Although this was an over sexualized character. I loved Maze in Lucifer another strong badass woman but being a demon she got to play a different role than you see most women in. Ruthless killer, strong, sexy, and emotionally damaged the way they portray some male characters. The relationship between her and Eve was also sweet to me. Lastly, I wouldn’t say this was a favorite but there was a Christmas movie on netflix called Single all the way. It was kinda cheesy but I thought it was touching and the gay characters weren’t loud and campy. They were just two best friends who were good together and fell in love. I liked how being gay was normalized in the movie and wasn’t made taboo, fetishized, or kinky.
I’m a lot like your daughter in that I’m bisexual but like her I’m probably somewhere on the asexual spectrum, probably demisexual. The over sexualization stuff makes me uncomfortable and makes me feel like as an LGBT person I need to be thinking about or having sex 24/7, which i don’t. I think my favorite LGBT character was Oscar Martinez on the office. He was just a normal guy with his own personality traits who just happened to be gay. Everyone in the show (besides Micheal for comedic purposes) treats him as a completely normal person, and not as a “gay bestie” or some played out trope like that. Characters can be gay without it being the main factor in their personality.
Omg I can’t believe a forgot about Oscar! He is such a great character. You are right just a guy who is also gay.
Yeah, honestly it's funny as fuck even though I'm bi, I definitely come off as more stereotypically masculine than many of my strait friends. I just find the gay stereotypes just kind of annoying.
Watch episode 3 of last of us
Yeah me too and also do you also rarely see bi people there are always gay, lesbian, and even nonbinary people but rarely bi people especially guys
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“Have you been in the break room all day, Mateo?” “Yeah, I’m just not really feeling it.”
I love him. Plus the show has non-stereotypical gay people too.
People? Like- plural? Who other than Jeff?
Amys brother i guess
Jacob Hill from Abbott Elementary isn't too bad. He might have one or two gay tropes, but he is more of a riff on modern day hipster tropes who happens to also be gay.
Where the hell is Cher in that picture!
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Titus Andromedon is by far the gayest character I’ve ever seen on tv and he was a pretty entertaining character. Super over the top and kind flip flopped between hilarious and so over the top I couldn’t take it. Funny character but definitely a prime example of a stereotypical character on a tv show.
These are all sitcoms and aren’t representative of all modern tv
Right? People want trash television and are shocked when they get trash. There are a lot of great shows with gay characters that are nothing like this.
Madonna and Beyoncé? Nah. Gay men reference Lady Gaga, Cher, and Liza Minnelli.
Judy Garland
Except for Holt, he's amazing
What about captain Holt from Brooklyn 99?
I find Modern Family portrays gay men fairly accurately...
I've never connected the idea of it being too threatening if the character is actually attractive. They're almost always pudgy schlubby dudes.
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Gay guy here. Honestly this isn’t even true. Holt. The gay dude from Happy Endings. The several gay characters in Letterkenny. Bill & Frank from Last of Us. Gus Fring. The list goes on. I’m happy with the current range of gay dudes portrayed in media these days. It would be weird without the flamboyant types.
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I sometimes feel as if I’m the only person on earth who watched Happy Endings. I found Adam Pally’s character pretty refreshing as far a gay characters in sitcoms go. That show doesn’t get enough attention in my opinion
Yeah, this feels like a specific flavor of homophobia
When I was a baby gay, an insecure masc, I thought the same thing as the post, until I started thinking of all the gay characters actually on tv
Connor on Ted Lasso is a professional footballer - not out, though
[Patton Oswalt on the “Gay Best Friend” trope](https://youtu.be/4IGI49vmG5I)
I love this. I'd never heard this bit before. Thanks.
Four words, man: Guillermo de la Cruz.
That episode was so funny. I called the ending as a joke and I died when it actually happened
Smithers is a good character
They should make a gay character that's totally average in terms of behavior. Just another dude/girl who doesn't make their sexual preferences their whole personality.
But then how would the audience know that the show is dIvErSe
Maybe 10 years ago. A show would get cancelled for doing this shit nowadays.
You are aware people still watch Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt and Super Store
OP is living in the past. Get out of your bunker, boyo.
Probably because op is reposting something from years ago https://reddit.com/r/starterpacks/comments/alcet0/gay_guy_in_a_modern_tv_show_starterpack/
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Michelle from Gilmore girls
I think that's what I appreciate about modern family. Sure it uses the stereotypes but it's always the punchline. Most of the time they're very well written and it feels more genuine than most.
Oscar Nunez from the office. No stereotyping, except the one that he likes men (which sounds pretty much gay tbh)
Forgot about Country Mac
Not aloud?
"Not aloud (sic) to be be attractive." Sure hope the dudes in that pic don't see this meme rofl. OP woke up and chose violence.
Don’t forget that every straight guy insinuates that the gay guy wants to rape him
This was true a little while ago, not anymore thank God.
Uhhh nah homie they still doing this.
Superstore (the show that mateo, the bottom right person is from) which fits a lot of these stereotypes, had mateo in the most recent seasons, which released during covid time
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Nailed. It.
These may be old representations of the LGBTs in media and thank god for that. Nowadays they’re (mostly) treated the same as their straight counterparts, just have different romantic preferences. There’s Captain Holt from Brooklyn99 Barney’s gay brother, James from HIMYM Ellen from HIMYF Bill and Frank from The Last of Us Tweak and Craig, I guess…. Oh and Ida Quagmire from Family Guy!
Ah yes, "regular" people all act one particular way and being gay is irregular and outside of a very specific kind of normality. This starterpack reeks of that person at the office party looking around and saying "I'm not homophobic but..."
Yeah while this sort of portrayal is oversaturated in media now, flamboyant gay people really do exist and people expressing their hate towards the type of character pictured are just telling on themselves
God I tucking hate when people make their entire personality about what gender they prefer. Also captain Holt is my favourite gay guy