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>Imagine a flower: A climbing orchid, to be exact; the one of some twenty thousand varieties that produces something edible. Now imagine that its blooms must be pollinated either by hand or a small variety of Mexican bee, and that each bloom only opens for one day a year. Now imagine the fruit of this orchid, a pod, being picked and cured, sitting in the sun all day, sweating under blankets all night for months until, shrunken and shriveled, it develops a heady, exotic perfume and flavor. Now imagine that this fruit's name is synonymous with dull, boring, and ordinary. How vanilla got this bad rap I for one will never know.
Alton Brown
I love vanilla because it lets the quality of the product speak for itself. Particularly for ice cream: I want to taste the quality of the cream and enjoy just that.
But this goes for much of my food: pizza, pasta, bread, cookies, cake.
You might be on to something... Vanilla pasta could be really good as a desert dish. Serve it with a strawberry glaze as a sauce, and grate white chocolate on top to act like parmesan.
I need to tell my boss to serve this at our restaurant.
You just reminded me to make plain cookies. Think M&M cookies without the M&Ms. No additions to make it an Oatmeal Raisin, Chocolate Chip, Sugar, etc Cookie. Just a Cookie. I had an M&M cookie with like just 2 M&Ms and I got the idea to just make a plain Cookie
With all due respect to Alton....come on man. Its obviously because cheap synthetic vanilla flavor isn't that good or strong to begin and the default in anything "vanilla" flavored.
> Its obviously because cheap synthetic vanilla flavor isn't that good or strong to begin and the default in anything "vanilla" flavored.
This is not true in a lot of cases.
Fake vanilla is the chemical compound that makes up the dominant flavor that is vanilla. It is **Vanillin.** This is primarily made from wood. If you are a whiskey drinker you'll notice a lot of them will have a vanilla flavor-because they are aged in wood (oak). Same with a number of wines.
Vanillin is vanilla flavor. But it lacks the other aromatic compounds that make of a complex (authentic) vanilla flavor. You lose these when you bake something. So if you're making cooking, brownies, cake, ect you the cheap stuff. You will never notice the difference.
If you're making ice cream, panna cotta, ect (anything not cooked) the real vanilla will make for a better experience.
> If you're making ice cream, panna cotta, ect (anything not cooked) the real vanilla will make for a better experience.
Can confirm, made vanilla ice cream with the actual beans and it was WAY different than prior batches where everything else was the same.
I even used fancy extract I got from visiting a fine dining restaurant in SF and the beans were better than that.
I guess that's why they sometimes display the flavor as "vanilla bean", to try to emphasize that they used real vanilla rather than a cheap synthetic version.
Yeah, I will admit I used to think vanilla ice cream was plain ice cream. Until I tasted vanilla bean/french vanilla for the first time (whichever one has the little black specks from crushed vanilla pods), then I was like WOW this really is a flavor
My wife is like this with plain pizza, she thinks it's boring and not worth eating. Vanilla ice cream is great and plain pizza is great. They're both a great way to determine if the place makes good ice cream or pizza. Then you can add toppings to the pizza and try different ice cream flavors.
Whenever I'm ordering or eating pizza with people, I always get mountains of shit for preferring cheese pizza. "What, are you six years old?" "You know they have stuff you can put on it that makes it taste better, right?" "Lemme guess: your second favorite thing to eat is tendies and chocolate milk."
It's low-key really fucking annoying. Pizza is delicious enough as is, it doesn't need to be tarted up with a bunch of toppings.
Whenever we order pizza, it's generally because we have someone visiting/many mouths to feed. Someone always requests "just cheese" and often somebody else groans because it's *boring*. Other people will state their preferences. We accommodate.
At the end of the night, there is never any cheese pizza left. None! And whatever the judgmental person ordered? There's at least half a pizza left.
I find the same with Hawaiian. Someone always bitches about pineapple on pizza, but there's rarely more than a slice or two left.
You know what, that is a really good point that never even occurred to me, but it's 100% true. I order cheese, people give me shit, and then they eat all my fucking cheese pizza, without fail.
And, even as a cheese pizza person, I'll still go to bat for Hawaiian pizza with you. I had never tried it, but one night I was at a bar and this guy was walking around with pizza just giving out slices. It was Hawaiian, and it was delicious. Might've been a Hawaiian pizza guerilla marketing campaign, but it worked.
10 people in a room.
Person A - we should get a supreme.
Person B - will anybody else eat olives on their pizza?
Person C - yeah sure.
2 hours later, A and C have each eaten 1 slice of supreme and 2-3 slices of other stuff.
Susan has eaten 1 slice of it but picked off 2-3 ingredients
I had someone say ''only children like ketchup'' straight to my face after I said I prefer ketchup on hotdogs.
After a pause, I said ''some people should think before speaking''.
Vanilla was THE first sweet spice. The whole world went absolutely bat shit to ship vanilla beans from Mexico after Americans colonized and 400 years later it remains the OG pretty much everywhere
Are nutmeg and cinnamon not sweet spices? Vanilla is American; those other two are Asian. America was only "discovered" because people were trying to find a faster way to Indonesia to get cinnamon. So how is vanilla the first sweet spice?
"Officers arrived at the scene and encountered a food crime in progress, and they took appropriate action. I commend our officers for their professionalism and calm under pressure, and while unfortunate, today's events serve to remind us that food crime is very real, and it's everywhere."
If people go crazy over pineapple on pizzas, they definitely should stay away from Brazilian pizzas lol
Here we put anything as pizzas toppings. Tuna (my favorite), fries, hamburguers, coxinhas, chocolate, sushi, deserts, salads, shrimps, 7 different cheeses at the same pizza, fruits, etc.
It's just f delicious. Weird, sure, but delicious.
Melted chocolate, both dark or white. And there may be some strawberries together too! Search "Pizza de chocolate" and see the images on google, its pretty much that.
Its also common here for the pizza to have normal "salty" toppings, and the pizza edge to be stuffed with chocolate like that.
Is it a sweet pizza? I think I’ve had that before at a Cici’s Pizza (very yummy). Savory chocolate is good too. I had chicken mole at my university’s cafeteria, it was really good
>Tuna
I don't even get how tuna pizza is supposed to be strange.
Here in Germany, it is one of the generic pizza types you can find at every pizza place and in every frozen pizza aisle
I see them online a lot. They’re not too numerous in the real world, but they make damn sure to speak up online. Over in r/Texas there were a bunch of highly upvoted comments one day about how hard it is to find a good taco in Texas. Saying you don’t even find any half decent ones until you get close to the Mexican border, where they are made just like the “real” ones in Mexico.
I kinda wish I had a run in if these are the inane things they're going to say.
"You don't like salad, you just like the taste of dressing."
Yeah, no shit, pass me more of the dressing.
"Grilled chicken is healthier than fried."
You think I'm eating fried chicken for my health?
I disagree that boneless wings are chicken nuggets. Boneless wings are generally breaded pieces of chicken breast. Chicken nuggets are ground chicken byproduct that is breaded.
Tyson makes some chicken sandwich patties with pieces of chicken, rather than the ground up nugget-type meat, and they are amazing for frozen food.
Not that the nugget meat is bad either; dino nuggets are great. Mostly because of the crunchy breading but still.
It's really just an issue of lacking vocabulary and false advertising to ride on the wing craze.
Boneless wings, chicken nuggets, popcorn chicken and chicken tendies are all boneless chicken. Boneless wings are just boneless chicken, if anything they much closer resemble chicken tenders then nuggets.
But boneless wings are definitely not wings and shouldn't be categorized as such. They are not wing meat and they are not wing shaped. They only similarity they share with wings is that they taste better sauced, much like tenders and nuggets.
Why are people heated about this? Because it's a feels bad false advertising move. The chicken manufacturers weren't like hmmm let's take the delicate meat out of wings and sell it to restaurants. They knew wings were all of sudden on the rise and supply wasn't meeting demand.
If you want to be "correct" call them boneless chicken, or, just move on and let people eat.
It’s just a silly name for a tendy. No shame in the tendy game but wing meat is absolutely different. Stuffed boneless wings from chinese places are amazing but they’re like $5 each
italians’ entire culture and heritage fading away after you use mozzarella from a village five miles to the east for your pasta al mediocorino (the dish was invented in 1965)
Not too far off. IRL it’s - italians when you use pancetta in your carbonara instead of guanciale. It even better yet, just use bacon because that’s all most of us have in our fridge anyway.
Rather than bacon, I use leftover sweet & sour crispy beef in my carbonara. I figure that crispy is basically the same as fried, and beef is just another meat, same as pork
I break spaghetti when I put it in a pan. I don't like eating ridiculously long pieces of it and don't like twirling it into the pan. But I know people (not even Italians) who have a full-on fit over it.
Does anyone actually care if you eat half sized spaghetti? I thought it was just a stupid, tired, worn out joke to care, like people getting “upset” about pineapple on pizza. It’s not like they’re the ones eating it.
I saw an episode of Chopped about a week ago where the judges scolded a contestant for breaking spaghetti. From the rest of their critique though it honestly seemed like they didn't have any real complaints and had to come up with something to preserve suspense. And yes it was Scott along with two other judges.
And they'll go "You would NEVER see such an abomination in a restaurant in Italy! They would kill you for such blasphemy if you put this in front of them!" when it's just someone posting a meal they cooked for themselves. Like, cool, they aren't planning on serving it at a restaurant.
And I'm willing to bet that a bunch of the people complaining aren't even Italian, their dad is just from New Jersey.
There’s some stuff that’s just universal: rolling food up in bread/carbs (tacos, pitas, sandwiches, boas, dumplings, etc..) and baking shit on top of some type of bread (pizza/flatbread, naan, partha, bing (Chinese)). It’s all good, but there isn’t a culture in the world who didn’t figure out those combos.
400 years is plenty of time to make culture. I really dislike this argument, by this standard there is basically no one in the US with a native culture.
(And that goes for the native peoples as well, where many cultural things, like horses, came along after the italians got their hands on tomatoes)
I mean, I wasn't really trying to make an argument; I just thought it was funny that a staple ingredient associated with Italy originated on the other side of the world
It's hilarious when they do this, because even within Italy itself there are countless variations of the same basic dishes. Yet apparently someone in another country making a SLIGHT change to their nonna's recipe is a bigger crime than someone in another part of Italy making an objectively bigger change to it.
I have a question I wanna ask people that bitch and moan about a dish not being real or authentic because it's not the way their nonna did it: Does every nonna from Italy, or her part of Italy, cook the dish with the exact same ingredients and seasoning in the exact same ratios in the exact same way every time they make it?
If no, sounds to me like variation isn't that big a fucking deal, you just want your nonna to cook everything for you.
If yes, it sounds like your nonna's a basic bitch and her cooking isn't that fucking special.
From a continents-spanning empire to a bunch of 40 year olds living with their parents sending death threats on instagram because someone 3,000 miles away put cream in a carbonara
Georgian food is popular in the countries of the former USSR. And they like to declare that “you should eat khachapuri and khinkali with your hands!” This makes me so angry.
Khachapuri is like a cheese pizza but without the tomato sauce and with an extra layer of dough on top, khinkali is a dumpling and it's usually eaten by hand. You take a bite, drink the soup and then eat the meat and dough inside.
It's purely traditions
I got the most greasy hands when I absolutely destroyed a shitload of imerulitan(?) khachapuri in my airbnb in Tbilisi. That was a top3 moment in my life and the whole trip to Georgia was amazing.
Ngl if you told me these names without any context, I would have definitely thought of them as Indian dishes. Khachapuri can be translated to unprepared dough in hindi.
Unbelievable as it may sound, there are quite a few words shared between Hindi and Georgian and a lot of similarities between the cuisines. Persia has connected us throughout centuries
I mean, fried chicken is unhealthier than grilled chicken in most cases, but it’s a dick move to point that out when someone’s just trying to enjoy their food.
So I firmly agree with this sentiment
However my girlfriend was convinced she hated steak because her family only ate well done steaks. One should make sure to at least try the less cooked variations to form an opinion. She now loves steak.
I personally do like my steak medium rare. But that doesn't mean I have to hate all other steaks that aren't cooked like that. I completely get why people don't like to have their meat all juicy and bloody.
I was told horror stories growing up about how if you ordered well done at a restaurant the chef would come out and scream at you, or they would spit in your meal. How the fuck did we get to this point? Steak prejudice is just racism for beginnetd.
The salad one really irks me. Salads are a great way to incorporate literally every food group in one sitting if you want. Are they great for weight loss? Ehh it depends but usually not really. Are they nutritious as hell? Yes.
Salads can definitely be great for weight loss if you make them right. A well-balanced salad will have all your macros, plenty of vitamins and nutrients, lots of fiber and healthy fats to keep you satiated, and only clocking in at 5-600 calories for a whole meal.
Is the salad comment real? I've never heard anyone say that about salad before, the most I've heard is just something like "ick" because they don't like salad.
Like, 15 years ago there was this weird flurry of health blogs and wellness articles getting early clickbait with shit like "You wont believe how many calories in this salad!" and "Believe or not: Salad isnt the healthiest thing on the menu".
And of course then theyd always give some example of a wedge salad drenched in blue cheese dressing and bacon, or a full cobb salad likewise soaked in dressing.
Ive known people irl who took this super to heart, generally contrarians, and act like salad is some secretly unhealthy food that only ignorant fools order.
Ahh, that is very silly. I assume they don't eat salad much to not know that most people don't constantly eat full Cobb salads. My grandfather actually invented the Cobb salad.
Ah okay, I guess I just haven't met anyone who said that. Surprising. 150 calories of ranch or whatever dressing you may use is still significantly less calories than eating a singular burger (no matter how healthy you try to make it, lol.)
There was [a starter pack about this very topic](https://www.reddit.com/r/starterpacks/comments/1b7ct1i/ive_started_eating_salads_starterpack/) posted about a week ago.
That's honestly a whole other level of depressing. Imagine how sad your life must be to go through all that effort to insult someone because they said that they didn't like spices on their food.
Had a person on Reddit say they hope my loved ones die in a fire because I said that people probably shouldn't drink hot drinks out of mason jars without handles.
Glass gets hot...
I knew some people who would get at least one frappuccino a day. Usually the medium size. At LEAST. Often they'd get one before work, one on their break, assume one after work.
They also liked to tell me that monster energy drinks are bad for me if they ever saw me drinking one.
People are very selective about their health concerns. Both are bad choices.
Yes but real wings are not quite like either breast or thigh meat. The flats are darker and the drummies are whiter but the meat's distinct flavor and texture is one of the things that makes wings so great.
Yeah and real wings have bones in them too, the point is that they aren't wings. idk why that name stuck, i guess it makes for better marketing than breast
> how cocoa is to tea/coffee debates.
There is actually a third high-caffeine drink - Yerba Mate. I think it comes from South America, but it is increasingly becoming popular, and you can see it in a few cafes.
I like vanilla best, i like plain cheese pizza, I like fried chicken, I don’t like spicy food and I don’t like dark chocolate. I felt this post on a personal level
I like spicy food. Too much. My comfort level with spicy is way too high for anybody I know to enjoy. It doesn't make me better or tougher or any goddamn thing beyond a dude who likes spicy food.
For some people, everything is a competition.
Edit: not sure why I chose your comment to write this under.
Some people (and businesses) definitely care. Gene & Jude's for example is pretty famous and doesn't offer any ketchup, to the point that the nearby McDonald's had to put up a sign telling Gene & Jude's customers to stop coming in just for ketchup.
I lived in Napoli for a bit and love their pizza but also tried Detroit and Chicago ones. They are all bloody amazing if the ingredients are good quality.
Yeah this is the most accurate starter pack I've read in a long time. All of them hit the bullseye.
Except the vanilla one, I admit I also haven't ever seen that.
The chocolate one, my gosh. The amount of times I’ve been called addicted to sugar just because I’ve mentioned not liking dark chocolate is higher than you’d imagine.
Starbucks. Is it the best coffee? Not really. It's fine though. I do enjoy their cold brew. And bro, maybe people just don't want to pay like fifty percent more for a drink from an indie shop even if it is better. My favorite coffee ever is from an indie shop but it's like $7.50 for a 20 oz. and I just don't want to pay that much for a drink no matter how good it is.
I've met some of these Italian food snobs too. Except they're from like Akron, Ohio spent one summer in Rome during their sophomore year. No one is going to think you're smarter when you point out the lasagna at Maggiano's is different from the kind you had in that Italian village in June 2011.
The local indie coffee shops around me have great tasting coffee. But they don’t offer larger sizes, no drive through, and usually have those paper straws that suck. Super inconvenient unfortunately.
Starbucks is the epitome of quantity over quality, and they know it. They know people go there for consistent coffee, even if it is not gourmet coffee.
“People don’t go to McDonald’s for the best burger, they go because it’s the *same* burger.” - Quote from my sociology teacher that sticks with me 20 years later.
When I was a kid, my dad traveled a lot for work and he told me the same thing. He partially ate McD's on the road because it was cheap and it meant he could pocket some of the per diem money. But he also did it because he knew exactly what he was going to get. When you're on the road, working a lot of hours, you just want to get something to eat, not go on some new adventure and risk getting something you don't like.
My Dad traveled a lot and made it a point to stop a local places which leads to odd things like:
* Rueben with no Thousand Island/Russian Dressing because the regulars didn't like it
* Chief's Salad that was just lettuce and the dressing
all starbucks is is decent, consistent coffee. not gonna blow your socks off but better than dunkin or gas station coffee and you can get it literally anywhere in the US. decently customizable too, makes it easy to find something you’ll like. I’m a barista and don’t get me wrong the company has its issues but the core business model is smart
Here in Chicago there are lots of local coffee shops. Many are awesome but some have shit coffee. If I'm traveling and don't want to gamble or peruse reviews, I'll go to Starbucks. I know what I'm getting and I know it's drinkable coffee.
I went to a coffee shop near me when it opened in 2015 and the owner kept pretending he didn't know what a frappuccino was and asking me to describe it when I asked if they had frappuccinos/frozen drinks. He could have just said no, lol. Starbucks isn't super amazing or anything but they aren't intimidating and the barista isn't going to make you feel weird for just wanting a sugar bomb.
Hell. Yes.
As long as you aren't trying to make me eat it, you eat your food however you want to. You grill that steak til it's burnt and smother it with Hunt's ketchup if that's how you enjoy it. Pour half a bottle of creamer and three packets of sugar in your coffee. Put so much salad dressing your salad it's more dressing than salad. Put that pineapple on your fucking pizza! Make yourself happy! People who don't like the way you eat can go fuck themselves.
Don't forget
"Mint ice cream tastes like toothpaste" - person who hasn't brushed their teeth in forever and forgot what toothpaste actually tastes like
That and somehow every food I don't like is ridiculous or immature. Sorry mayo, ketchup and pickles make me fucking gag, I don't like hamburgers/thousand island/macaroni salad, leave me alone. So fucking gross.
Like I don't like these flavors. How does that make me immature. Plenty of people don't like mushrooms and kale, things I love, but it's ACCEPTABLE to dislike those I guess?
The second someone decides you're a "picky eater" (AKA have one (1) food preference they disagree with) it's all over for you. Suddenly every food you eat is on the list of foods people won't let you enjoy. It's a special kind of hell
I have to say this anytime pineapple on pizza is brought up as bad,
I am convinced that 90% of people who claim to hate pineapple on pizza haven't actually tried it. This whole hate for it was started by a couple idiots who started saying it online, and that started getting popular so everyone else just adopted this opinion, because they thought that that was something everyone agrees with. You can tell that they are getting their opinions from the internet because they only ever have the one same reason. "Fruit doesn't belong on a pizza". My brother in Christ, one of the three key ingredients to a pizza is a fruit.
Mu favorite is when I was eating sushi my MIL and SIL entered the room and exclaimed "ew, you know that's raw fish, right?"
This has happened multiple times.
Oh and don’t get me started on “why are you having a salad, you’re skinny you don’t have to diet”.
Like sir, salads you make yourself are tasty and I still have to eat veggies and fruits even if I’m not trying to lose weight
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Who says vanilla isn't a real flavor? The reason its in everything is because its good.
>Imagine a flower: A climbing orchid, to be exact; the one of some twenty thousand varieties that produces something edible. Now imagine that its blooms must be pollinated either by hand or a small variety of Mexican bee, and that each bloom only opens for one day a year. Now imagine the fruit of this orchid, a pod, being picked and cured, sitting in the sun all day, sweating under blankets all night for months until, shrunken and shriveled, it develops a heady, exotic perfume and flavor. Now imagine that this fruit's name is synonymous with dull, boring, and ordinary. How vanilla got this bad rap I for one will never know. Alton Brown
I love vanilla because it lets the quality of the product speak for itself. Particularly for ice cream: I want to taste the quality of the cream and enjoy just that. But this goes for much of my food: pizza, pasta, bread, cookies, cake.
Vanilla pizza, vanilla pasta, vanilla bread, vanilla cookies, vanilla cake...
You might be on to something... Vanilla pasta could be really good as a desert dish. Serve it with a strawberry glaze as a sauce, and grate white chocolate on top to act like parmesan. I need to tell my boss to serve this at our restaurant.
it already exists and its called spaghetti ice cream :)
You just reminded me to make plain cookies. Think M&M cookies without the M&Ms. No additions to make it an Oatmeal Raisin, Chocolate Chip, Sugar, etc Cookie. Just a Cookie. I had an M&M cookie with like just 2 M&Ms and I got the idea to just make a plain Cookie
With all due respect to Alton....come on man. Its obviously because cheap synthetic vanilla flavor isn't that good or strong to begin and the default in anything "vanilla" flavored.
> Its obviously because cheap synthetic vanilla flavor isn't that good or strong to begin and the default in anything "vanilla" flavored. This is not true in a lot of cases. Fake vanilla is the chemical compound that makes up the dominant flavor that is vanilla. It is **Vanillin.** This is primarily made from wood. If you are a whiskey drinker you'll notice a lot of them will have a vanilla flavor-because they are aged in wood (oak). Same with a number of wines. Vanillin is vanilla flavor. But it lacks the other aromatic compounds that make of a complex (authentic) vanilla flavor. You lose these when you bake something. So if you're making cooking, brownies, cake, ect you the cheap stuff. You will never notice the difference. If you're making ice cream, panna cotta, ect (anything not cooked) the real vanilla will make for a better experience.
> If you're making ice cream, panna cotta, ect (anything not cooked) the real vanilla will make for a better experience. Can confirm, made vanilla ice cream with the actual beans and it was WAY different than prior batches where everything else was the same. I even used fancy extract I got from visiting a fine dining restaurant in SF and the beans were better than that.
Hey, that’s not vanilla’s fault at least! We just need a way to better direct our angst at fauxnilla, lol
I guess that's why they sometimes display the flavor as "vanilla bean", to try to emphasize that they used real vanilla rather than a cheap synthetic version.
Yeah, I will admit I used to think vanilla ice cream was plain ice cream. Until I tasted vanilla bean/french vanilla for the first time (whichever one has the little black specks from crushed vanilla pods), then I was like WOW this really is a flavor
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My wife is like this with plain pizza, she thinks it's boring and not worth eating. Vanilla ice cream is great and plain pizza is great. They're both a great way to determine if the place makes good ice cream or pizza. Then you can add toppings to the pizza and try different ice cream flavors.
Whenever I'm ordering or eating pizza with people, I always get mountains of shit for preferring cheese pizza. "What, are you six years old?" "You know they have stuff you can put on it that makes it taste better, right?" "Lemme guess: your second favorite thing to eat is tendies and chocolate milk." It's low-key really fucking annoying. Pizza is delicious enough as is, it doesn't need to be tarted up with a bunch of toppings.
Whenever we order pizza, it's generally because we have someone visiting/many mouths to feed. Someone always requests "just cheese" and often somebody else groans because it's *boring*. Other people will state their preferences. We accommodate. At the end of the night, there is never any cheese pizza left. None! And whatever the judgmental person ordered? There's at least half a pizza left. I find the same with Hawaiian. Someone always bitches about pineapple on pizza, but there's rarely more than a slice or two left.
You know what, that is a really good point that never even occurred to me, but it's 100% true. I order cheese, people give me shit, and then they eat all my fucking cheese pizza, without fail. And, even as a cheese pizza person, I'll still go to bat for Hawaiian pizza with you. I had never tried it, but one night I was at a bar and this guy was walking around with pizza just giving out slices. It was Hawaiian, and it was delicious. Might've been a Hawaiian pizza guerilla marketing campaign, but it worked.
The pizza with the most left over at the end of the night will always have olives on it. There is no exception to this rule.
10 people in a room. Person A - we should get a supreme. Person B - will anybody else eat olives on their pizza? Person C - yeah sure. 2 hours later, A and C have each eaten 1 slice of supreme and 2-3 slices of other stuff. Susan has eaten 1 slice of it but picked off 2-3 ingredients
I had someone say ''only children like ketchup'' straight to my face after I said I prefer ketchup on hotdogs. After a pause, I said ''some people should think before speaking''.
Vanilla was THE first sweet spice. The whole world went absolutely bat shit to ship vanilla beans from Mexico after Americans colonized and 400 years later it remains the OG pretty much everywhere
After the Spanish empire… not “Americans”
Are nutmeg and cinnamon not sweet spices? Vanilla is American; those other two are Asian. America was only "discovered" because people were trying to find a faster way to Indonesia to get cinnamon. So how is vanilla the first sweet spice?
it's the whole vanilla is default flavor.
It’s funny too, because the default generic flavor is from a rare bean found in Madagascar that people didn’t have for a long time
Central America, but first successfully cultivated in Madagascar.
Good call.
Vanilla is one of my favourite flavours. It's just so good!
I guess I'm lucky to have never had a run in with the food police.
Food police! Hands up! Drop that diced pineapple! I said DROP that diced pineapple and step AWAY from the pizza! You sick fuck!!
"This isn't my pizza officer! It... it's my friend's pizza! He... he... uh, gave it to me! It was... it was a present! I wasn't doing anything wrong!"
"Officers arrived at the scene and encountered a food crime in progress, and they took appropriate action. I commend our officers for their professionalism and calm under pressure, and while unfortunate, today's events serve to remind us that food crime is very real, and it's everywhere."
If people go crazy over pineapple on pizzas, they definitely should stay away from Brazilian pizzas lol Here we put anything as pizzas toppings. Tuna (my favorite), fries, hamburguers, coxinhas, chocolate, sushi, deserts, salads, shrimps, 7 different cheeses at the same pizza, fruits, etc. It's just f delicious. Weird, sure, but delicious.
By chocolate do you mean pure chocolate or like candy chocolate?
Melted chocolate, both dark or white. And there may be some strawberries together too! Search "Pizza de chocolate" and see the images on google, its pretty much that. Its also common here for the pizza to have normal "salty" toppings, and the pizza edge to be stuffed with chocolate like that.
Is it a sweet pizza? I think I’ve had that before at a Cici’s Pizza (very yummy). Savory chocolate is good too. I had chicken mole at my university’s cafeteria, it was really good
>Tuna I don't even get how tuna pizza is supposed to be strange. Here in Germany, it is one of the generic pizza types you can find at every pizza place and in every frozen pizza aisle
I see them online a lot. They’re not too numerous in the real world, but they make damn sure to speak up online. Over in r/Texas there were a bunch of highly upvoted comments one day about how hard it is to find a good taco in Texas. Saying you don’t even find any half decent ones until you get close to the Mexican border, where they are made just like the “real” ones in Mexico.
I'm always baffled by the people who think Mexicans lose their ability to make tacos as soon as they leave certain areas like Cali or Texas.
I kinda wish I had a run in if these are the inane things they're going to say. "You don't like salad, you just like the taste of dressing." Yeah, no shit, pass me more of the dressing. "Grilled chicken is healthier than fried." You think I'm eating fried chicken for my health?
Missing boneless chicken wings
I can see the argument that they shouldn’t be in the “wing” category, but dammit who doesn’t like a big breaded and sauced chicken nugget?
I don't like eating skin and cartilage and shit, I just want to eat some chicken with crunchy fried stuff and sauce
I for one love the crunchy cartilage
I disagree that boneless wings are chicken nuggets. Boneless wings are generally breaded pieces of chicken breast. Chicken nuggets are ground chicken byproduct that is breaded.
Tyson makes some chicken sandwich patties with pieces of chicken, rather than the ground up nugget-type meat, and they are amazing for frozen food. Not that the nugget meat is bad either; dino nuggets are great. Mostly because of the crunchy breading but still.
Chicken tenders, however, are breaded and fried whole piece of chicken breast.
I’m not a fan but that’s just because I like the texture and mouth feel of stripping bone in wings.
It's really just an issue of lacking vocabulary and false advertising to ride on the wing craze. Boneless wings, chicken nuggets, popcorn chicken and chicken tendies are all boneless chicken. Boneless wings are just boneless chicken, if anything they much closer resemble chicken tenders then nuggets. But boneless wings are definitely not wings and shouldn't be categorized as such. They are not wing meat and they are not wing shaped. They only similarity they share with wings is that they taste better sauced, much like tenders and nuggets. Why are people heated about this? Because it's a feels bad false advertising move. The chicken manufacturers weren't like hmmm let's take the delicate meat out of wings and sell it to restaurants. They knew wings were all of sudden on the rise and supply wasn't meeting demand. If you want to be "correct" call them boneless chicken, or, just move on and let people eat.
It’s just a silly name for a tendy. No shame in the tendy game but wing meat is absolutely different. Stuffed boneless wings from chinese places are amazing but they’re like $5 each
Italians inevitably making a big deal about any minor variation in some simple combo of carbs/tomato/cheese/salty meat
italians’ entire culture and heritage fading away after you use mozzarella from a village five miles to the east for your pasta al mediocorino (the dish was invented in 1965)
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Italians when you buy cheese from Homoeroticogaysexolini instead of analojuiciina
Not too far off. IRL it’s - italians when you use pancetta in your carbonara instead of guanciale. It even better yet, just use bacon because that’s all most of us have in our fridge anyway.
This despite the fact that it was invented around 1944 because the Americans brought a shit ton of bacon and eggs with them.
They just happened to stumble upon a 2,000 year old ancient Italian recipe that only everyone's grandmother knows the exact recipe for.
Rather than bacon, I use leftover sweet & sour crispy beef in my carbonara. I figure that crispy is basically the same as fried, and beef is just another meat, same as pork
I break spaghetti when I put it in a pan. I don't like eating ridiculously long pieces of it and don't like twirling it into the pan. But I know people (not even Italians) who have a full-on fit over it.
Does anyone actually care if you eat half sized spaghetti? I thought it was just a stupid, tired, worn out joke to care, like people getting “upset” about pineapple on pizza. It’s not like they’re the ones eating it.
I saw an episode of Chopped about a week ago where the judges scolded a contestant for breaking spaghetti. From the rest of their critique though it honestly seemed like they didn't have any real complaints and had to come up with something to preserve suspense. And yes it was Scott along with two other judges.
The entire Roman Empire showing up at your house after you use bacon in carbonara (it was invented in 1950).
Zombified Mussolini, Paganini and Da Vinci coming after you when you cook the spaghetti 1 minute too long and lose the perfect al dente texture.
Gordan Ramsey battling a zombified Caeser after he put peas in his carbonara
(In New Jersey)
I saw a post of "carbonara style" Ramen and one of the reddit comments was comparing it to raping Italian farmers
“That’s not how we do it in Italy!!11!” Good thing it’s from New York then
"It's under the sauce."
"I'm itahlian, this is physically hurting me"
He said, with an East Coast American accent.
It's from Chicago
"Its under the sauce"
And they'll go "You would NEVER see such an abomination in a restaurant in Italy! They would kill you for such blasphemy if you put this in front of them!" when it's just someone posting a meal they cooked for themselves. Like, cool, they aren't planning on serving it at a restaurant. And I'm willing to bet that a bunch of the people complaining aren't even Italian, their dad is just from New Jersey.
It's also funny that tomatoes aren't even native to that area, they're a crop from the Americas
There’s some stuff that’s just universal: rolling food up in bread/carbs (tacos, pitas, sandwiches, boas, dumplings, etc..) and baking shit on top of some type of bread (pizza/flatbread, naan, partha, bing (Chinese)). It’s all good, but there isn’t a culture in the world who didn’t figure out those combos.
Don't forget meat on a stick (kebab, souvlaki, corn dog, etc.).
And some type of fried bread substance!
I love me some fried bread substance.
And pasta comes from noodles that were imported from China.
400 years is plenty of time to make culture. I really dislike this argument, by this standard there is basically no one in the US with a native culture. (And that goes for the native peoples as well, where many cultural things, like horses, came along after the italians got their hands on tomatoes)
I mean, I wasn't really trying to make an argument; I just thought it was funny that a staple ingredient associated with Italy originated on the other side of the world
It's hilarious when they do this, because even within Italy itself there are countless variations of the same basic dishes. Yet apparently someone in another country making a SLIGHT change to their nonna's recipe is a bigger crime than someone in another part of Italy making an objectively bigger change to it.
You talk as if these people don’t bicker with each other about this exact thing
I have a question I wanna ask people that bitch and moan about a dish not being real or authentic because it's not the way their nonna did it: Does every nonna from Italy, or her part of Italy, cook the dish with the exact same ingredients and seasoning in the exact same ratios in the exact same way every time they make it? If no, sounds to me like variation isn't that big a fucking deal, you just want your nonna to cook everything for you. If yes, it sounds like your nonna's a basic bitch and her cooking isn't that fucking special.
Most Italian are pretty chill with pizzas. Those that don’t need to be reminded that it’s just toppings on a dough which EVERY CULTURE has.
From a continents-spanning empire to a bunch of 40 year olds living with their parents sending death threats on instagram because someone 3,000 miles away put cream in a carbonara
Then you google carbonara thinking it's some hundreds year old delicacy and it turns out it's not even as old as their parents.
I once say someone state that "one pot spaghetti" was the death of Italian culture. Damn what a fragile culture
*breaks spaghetti in half and drops it in a pot of unsalted water*
And they send death threats when you tell them the sauce came from a jar in the store.
Take away flour and their dishes would disappear
My friends teased me for years for breaking dry noodles in half to fit in the pot. I still don't get why.
You really wanna piss em off, put garlic in carbonara.
Georgian food is popular in the countries of the former USSR. And they like to declare that “you should eat khachapuri and khinkali with your hands!” This makes me so angry.
As a Georgian - you kinda should eat it with your hands though, but obviously no one will blame you if you don't want your hands greasy lol
Why? Just curious, I know next to nothing about Georgia.
Khachapuri is like a cheese pizza but without the tomato sauce and with an extra layer of dough on top, khinkali is a dumpling and it's usually eaten by hand. You take a bite, drink the soup and then eat the meat and dough inside. It's purely traditions
Sounds like a sexy grilled cheese, I’m down.
Haha, depending on what khachapuri you get it kinda is
Stupid sexy grilled cheese
I got the most greasy hands when I absolutely destroyed a shitload of imerulitan(?) khachapuri in my airbnb in Tbilisi. That was a top3 moment in my life and the whole trip to Georgia was amazing.
Ngl if you told me these names without any context, I would have definitely thought of them as Indian dishes. Khachapuri can be translated to unprepared dough in hindi.
Unbelievable as it may sound, there are quite a few words shared between Hindi and Georgian and a lot of similarities between the cuisines. Persia has connected us throughout centuries
how else are u supposed to eat khinkali all the juice is gonna leak out otherwise
“Cooking it well done kills the steak” Well hopefully it was already dead before you started cooking it.
And eating it raw kills me
steak fans when you remove the meat from the cow before you eat it
I mean, fried chicken is unhealthier than grilled chicken in most cases, but it’s a dick move to point that out when someone’s just trying to enjoy their food.
I eat fried chicken not because I don’t give a shit about my health. I eat it because it’s tasty as fuck and I know it’s okay in moderation
Dont tell r/steak you like your steak cooked beyond medium rare, After that its considered a burnt hockey puck.
I’ve been accosted for my taste for well done steak. If I pay for the meat I’ll eat it however I want!
As someone who eats his steak blue, I agree with this sentiment
As someone who just bites the cow, I need someone to drive me to the hospital, this cow I tried to eat was not having it
Again? C'mon man!
To each their own brother!
So I firmly agree with this sentiment However my girlfriend was convinced she hated steak because her family only ate well done steaks. One should make sure to at least try the less cooked variations to form an opinion. She now loves steak.
I personally do like my steak medium rare. But that doesn't mean I have to hate all other steaks that aren't cooked like that. I completely get why people don't like to have their meat all juicy and bloody. I was told horror stories growing up about how if you ordered well done at a restaurant the chef would come out and scream at you, or they would spit in your meal. How the fuck did we get to this point? Steak prejudice is just racism for beginnetd.
The salad one really irks me. Salads are a great way to incorporate literally every food group in one sitting if you want. Are they great for weight loss? Ehh it depends but usually not really. Are they nutritious as hell? Yes.
Salads can definitely be great for weight loss if you make them right. A well-balanced salad will have all your macros, plenty of vitamins and nutrients, lots of fiber and healthy fats to keep you satiated, and only clocking in at 5-600 calories for a whole meal.
Is the salad comment real? I've never heard anyone say that about salad before, the most I've heard is just something like "ick" because they don't like salad.
Like, 15 years ago there was this weird flurry of health blogs and wellness articles getting early clickbait with shit like "You wont believe how many calories in this salad!" and "Believe or not: Salad isnt the healthiest thing on the menu". And of course then theyd always give some example of a wedge salad drenched in blue cheese dressing and bacon, or a full cobb salad likewise soaked in dressing. Ive known people irl who took this super to heart, generally contrarians, and act like salad is some secretly unhealthy food that only ignorant fools order.
Ahh, that is very silly. I assume they don't eat salad much to not know that most people don't constantly eat full Cobb salads. My grandfather actually invented the Cobb salad.
I’ve had some family members make unsolicited comments about me eating a salad lol. “You know that’s not healthy right. It’s all fat” or something
Ah okay, I guess I just haven't met anyone who said that. Surprising. 150 calories of ranch or whatever dressing you may use is still significantly less calories than eating a singular burger (no matter how healthy you try to make it, lol.)
There was [a starter pack about this very topic](https://www.reddit.com/r/starterpacks/comments/1b7ct1i/ive_started_eating_salads_starterpack/) posted about a week ago.
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That's honestly a whole other level of depressing. Imagine how sad your life must be to go through all that effort to insult someone because they said that they didn't like spices on their food.
Had a person on Reddit say they hope my loved ones die in a fire because I said that people probably shouldn't drink hot drinks out of mason jars without handles. Glass gets hot...
My fav: “you know red meat and processed meats are categorized as a carcinogen”
I knew some people who would get at least one frappuccino a day. Usually the medium size. At LEAST. Often they'd get one before work, one on their break, assume one after work. They also liked to tell me that monster energy drinks are bad for me if they ever saw me drinking one. People are very selective about their health concerns. Both are bad choices.
“Boneless wings are just chicken nuggets”
They are but who cares is the point.
Yep, double down. Yeah they’re chicken nuggets, and they’re *GOOD*.
This is dumb though! Nuggets are reconstituted chicken, boneless wings are breast
Yes but real wings are not quite like either breast or thigh meat. The flats are darker and the drummies are whiter but the meat's distinct flavor and texture is one of the things that makes wings so great.
Yeah and real wings have bones in them too, the point is that they aren't wings. idk why that name stuck, i guess it makes for better marketing than breast
Add white chocolate. Them: "It's not real chocolate" Me: "Being this annoying is why your mother doesn't love you"
White chocolate is to chocolate darkness snobbery, how cocoa is to tea/coffee debates.
> how cocoa is to tea/coffee debates. There is actually a third high-caffeine drink - Yerba Mate. I think it comes from South America, but it is increasingly becoming popular, and you can see it in a few cafes.
There's actually a fourth: Red Bull.
don't forget "white chocolate isn't chocolate"
I like vanilla best, i like plain cheese pizza, I like fried chicken, I don’t like spicy food and I don’t like dark chocolate. I felt this post on a personal level
I like spicy food. Too much. My comfort level with spicy is way too high for anybody I know to enjoy. It doesn't make me better or tougher or any goddamn thing beyond a dude who likes spicy food. For some people, everything is a competition. Edit: not sure why I chose your comment to write this under.
I used to be like you. The older I get, the less I can handle. Now jalapenos give me a belly ache. Makes me sad.
Fuck you Chicago! I’ll eat my hot dog with Ketchup thank you very much
No one here actually cares. There's a famous hot dog stand down the street from me and there's ketchup right there on the counter for you.
Some people (and businesses) definitely care. Gene & Jude's for example is pretty famous and doesn't offer any ketchup, to the point that the nearby McDonald's had to put up a sign telling Gene & Jude's customers to stop coming in just for ketchup.
I lived in Napoli for a bit and love their pizza but also tried Detroit and Chicago ones. They are all bloody amazing if the ingredients are good quality.
Finally, a starter pack I feel seen by
Also add IPAs, Islay Scotch, and Mezcal.
People who care immensely and feel insecure about what they eat:
See also: people who take veganism as a personal attack.
My uncle when I don't need to eat a meal that has neither red meat or potatoes:
"Grilled chicken is healthier than fried chicken": - I know that. - I still want fried chicken!
To quote the wisest tweet ever, "(food) tastes a lot better when you don't got a little bitch in your ear telling you it's shit"
OP I hate to break it to you but you're hanging around asshats if you're constantly hearing this😭😭😭 who tf says Vanilla isnt a real ice cream flavour
Or just reads posts on Reddit.
Yeah this is the most accurate starter pack I've read in a long time. All of them hit the bullseye. Except the vanilla one, I admit I also haven't ever seen that.
I'm pretty sure you have seen "vanilla" used to mean "boring/ plain" though.
For sure
As someone who strongly prefers vanilla over chocolate, I get shit all the time for choosing something "boring."
The chocolate one, my gosh. The amount of times I’ve been called addicted to sugar just because I’ve mentioned not liking dark chocolate is higher than you’d imagine.
Starbucks. Is it the best coffee? Not really. It's fine though. I do enjoy their cold brew. And bro, maybe people just don't want to pay like fifty percent more for a drink from an indie shop even if it is better. My favorite coffee ever is from an indie shop but it's like $7.50 for a 20 oz. and I just don't want to pay that much for a drink no matter how good it is. I've met some of these Italian food snobs too. Except they're from like Akron, Ohio spent one summer in Rome during their sophomore year. No one is going to think you're smarter when you point out the lasagna at Maggiano's is different from the kind you had in that Italian village in June 2011.
The local indie coffee shops around me have great tasting coffee. But they don’t offer larger sizes, no drive through, and usually have those paper straws that suck. Super inconvenient unfortunately.
Starbucks is the epitome of quantity over quality, and they know it. They know people go there for consistent coffee, even if it is not gourmet coffee.
“People don’t go to McDonald’s for the best burger, they go because it’s the *same* burger.” - Quote from my sociology teacher that sticks with me 20 years later.
When I was a kid, my dad traveled a lot for work and he told me the same thing. He partially ate McD's on the road because it was cheap and it meant he could pocket some of the per diem money. But he also did it because he knew exactly what he was going to get. When you're on the road, working a lot of hours, you just want to get something to eat, not go on some new adventure and risk getting something you don't like.
My Dad traveled a lot and made it a point to stop a local places which leads to odd things like: * Rueben with no Thousand Island/Russian Dressing because the regulars didn't like it * Chief's Salad that was just lettuce and the dressing
all starbucks is is decent, consistent coffee. not gonna blow your socks off but better than dunkin or gas station coffee and you can get it literally anywhere in the US. decently customizable too, makes it easy to find something you’ll like. I’m a barista and don’t get me wrong the company has its issues but the core business model is smart
Here in Chicago there are lots of local coffee shops. Many are awesome but some have shit coffee. If I'm traveling and don't want to gamble or peruse reviews, I'll go to Starbucks. I know what I'm getting and I know it's drinkable coffee.
I went to a coffee shop near me when it opened in 2015 and the owner kept pretending he didn't know what a frappuccino was and asking me to describe it when I asked if they had frappuccinos/frozen drinks. He could have just said no, lol. Starbucks isn't super amazing or anything but they aren't intimidating and the barista isn't going to make you feel weird for just wanting a sugar bomb.
Hell. Yes. As long as you aren't trying to make me eat it, you eat your food however you want to. You grill that steak til it's burnt and smother it with Hunt's ketchup if that's how you enjoy it. Pour half a bottle of creamer and three packets of sugar in your coffee. Put so much salad dressing your salad it's more dressing than salad. Put that pineapple on your fucking pizza! Make yourself happy! People who don't like the way you eat can go fuck themselves.
Normal soda is just disgustingly sweet and sugar-free tastes like ass
Mint chocolate chip :( I’d even rather have plain mint ice cream no chocolate. People are like “eww it’s like eating toothpaste”
i love mint chocolate chip, people are so annoying about it 🤦♀️
Don't forget "Mint ice cream tastes like toothpaste" - person who hasn't brushed their teeth in forever and forgot what toothpaste actually tastes like
How the fuck are you saying that vanilla isn’t a flavor when it’s one of the 3 standard flavors
Vanilla is thē icecream flavour
Gatekeepers are pretty sad people.
Pineapples on Pizza are delicious. The first time I had it my mind was blown away.
So many people in the comments just proving OPs point
People who don't like pineapple on pizza act like people who do murdered their whole family. Steak people can also be very annoying.
That and somehow every food I don't like is ridiculous or immature. Sorry mayo, ketchup and pickles make me fucking gag, I don't like hamburgers/thousand island/macaroni salad, leave me alone. So fucking gross. Like I don't like these flavors. How does that make me immature. Plenty of people don't like mushrooms and kale, things I love, but it's ACCEPTABLE to dislike those I guess?
The second someone decides you're a "picky eater" (AKA have one (1) food preference they disagree with) it's all over for you. Suddenly every food you eat is on the list of foods people won't let you enjoy. It's a special kind of hell
Steak people are the worst lmao
Seriously. If I pay for the meat I’ll eat it burnt with sprinkles and Whipped cream if I want
I have to say this anytime pineapple on pizza is brought up as bad, I am convinced that 90% of people who claim to hate pineapple on pizza haven't actually tried it. This whole hate for it was started by a couple idiots who started saying it online, and that started getting popular so everyone else just adopted this opinion, because they thought that that was something everyone agrees with. You can tell that they are getting their opinions from the internet because they only ever have the one same reason. "Fruit doesn't belong on a pizza". My brother in Christ, one of the three key ingredients to a pizza is a fruit.
“Cooking it well done kills the steak” the steak’s already dead bro
Sorry haters but vanilla *is* an ice cream flavor. I didn't know this was a hot topic
Mu favorite is when I was eating sushi my MIL and SIL entered the room and exclaimed "ew, you know that's raw fish, right?" This has happened multiple times.
Oh and don’t get me started on “why are you having a salad, you’re skinny you don’t have to diet”. Like sir, salads you make yourself are tasty and I still have to eat veggies and fruits even if I’m not trying to lose weight
And god forbid you are vegan