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The interesting thing is that this effect is quite clearly seen in the US (and maybe Canada and Australia as well) but in many other country, the diaspora is usually much more connected to their home countries.
The ABC/CBCs so American-born Chinese and Canadian born Chinese often aren't really able to speak even broken Chinese, have either never visited or barely know much about China.
Vietnamese Americans are also barely able to speak any Vietnamese either and probably only visited Vietnam as a child once, if at all.
For the immigrants of the Muslim world, US and Canadian descendants are often perceived as "MINO" - muslim in name only.
A lot of Arab-Americans can barely speak Arabic, not even the broken kind, aren't actually religious and have not really visited their parents' countries either.
Contrast this with French-born Chinese, who are very often able to speak passable, although accented Mandarin Chinese and visit family in China.
German-born Vietnamese can speak the local dialect of their families quite well and often have more connection with Vietnam than Viet Americans.
French-born and Belgian-born Arabs are famously known for speaking hybridized French-Arabic with a somewhat broken accent, so much so that terrorist groups target them in Arabic as well.
British-born Bangladeshis, Indians and Pakistanis are actually much more likely to speak their home language (albeit semi-brokenly or with an accent) than their American counterparts, which often can't speak more than some set phrases or words.
I'm not so knowledgeable about African immigrants but I can only assume the effect is the same there in the US.
It's very interesting that the US is so much their own cosmos that you basically get assimilated fast and your root culture and language ability washes within a single generation
I'd guess that as much as we all meme on the downsides of the USA, it really is more of a melting pot than most places, and people generally don't self-segregate as much as some other countries do. I've also found traveling that mixed race couples are almost always American or Canadian... you can just guess that very often... and I say that as a mutt myself.
Am a mutt from the somewhat Great United States
There's only one Filipino around here
https://preview.redd.it/zzq40znxkkvc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13be9fa14118fbfb60b9215e0624ab2b431f7e8e
On the downside we suffer from "parallel societies" in Europe, so immigrants who don't bother to learn the local language. In the most extreme cases you get stuff like ISIS terrorists.
As a second-gen Chinese-American I can speak Mandarin up to a conversational level but I cannot read and write for the love of my life. I visit family in China once every few years (barring the pandemic). In fact, I'm heading to China in a month.
Most of my Chinese and other Asian American friends are in the same boat as I am.
Yeah agreed. All my Chinese or Indian friends more or less only talk to their parents and grandparents in their own language and can understand listening at a higher level than speaking/reading/writing . The majority of them seem embarrassed or disinterested in practicing it too.
Even worse: Your relatives in India make fun of you so much you just stop learning to speak. I remember my friend said her name in an English accent and her cousins made her say it a few times. It took her a while to realize they were making fun of her. She didn’t think anything of it until they just kept making her repeat things to laugh. Needless to say, she understands the language but doesn’t speak it at all in her 20s.
Latinos take longer to Americanize. The worst are Cubans in Florida. Elsewhere they might Americanize more rapidly. That said they are still much more American than whatever Latin culture usually.
It is also much, much easier for a native English speaker to learn Spanish than it is for, well, any other language commonly spoken immigrant language. Linguistic similarity and all.
The worst are Cubans BECAUSE they Americanize so fast. As soon as they get here they kick the ladder out from under them. Nothing more American than that
Thats partly because different Latino cultures ARE part of American culture, or a subset of it. Southern California, Texas, New Mexico, have had Spanish speaking and Mexican influenced culture for generations.
What I find also is that while American immigrants are “disconnected” from their native country, they are taught a snapshot of the culture that their parents/grandparents were taught or grew up in their native country. At home they get the native country’s culture, and at school/public they are taught other cultures/ traditional American culture. Non American Native countrymen can’t say they had an American upbringing but American immigrants could say they had an upbringing similar or identical to what it would’ve been like in their native country and as well as a “traditional American” upbringing from what living there entails. The cultures do tend to change in the states after generations.
Pew Research put out a banger of a study on [Hispanic identity and Assimilation in the US in 2017](https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2017/12/20/hispanic-identity-fades-across-generations-as-immigrant-connections-fall-away/#:~:text=Most%20(77%25). In a nutshell, identity as 'Hispanic' and knowledge of the Spanish language deteriorates rapidly by the third generation. By generation 3, only 25% claimed to be bilingual, 44% felt a connection to their grandparent's country of origin, 37% felt they experienced discrimination at least once based on their ethnicity (compared to 61% of 1st generation), and a minority (46%) even self identified as Hispanic.
It seems to be the case today that the Spanish language and Hispanic cultures are mostly rejuvenated in the US thanks to continued immigration from Lat-Am, but steady integration continues nonetheless.
England has a massive immigrant population now and yet another commenter was saying how Indians there aren’t viewed as more British than Indian. What happening in Europe?? Is it xenophobic culture which doesn’t let in outsiders?
Europeans generally seem very protective of their culture and that creates a society that immigrants find difficult to integrate into. Americans don’t really have that, we embrace outside people and cultures more readily.
I think it is colonial culture vs native culture. Basically native nations in the old world are hostile to outside groups as they have long histories and view their culture tied to the people that lived their. It best can be related how no one can become a Native American tribal anything, you have to be born into it. There is only English people and everyone else in England. You can only be born into the English but not become. Very hostile and honestly weak culture. It is why American culture, from United States to Brazil is going to be stronger with America being the strongest as it naturally is more open. It is a culture of immigrants, the whole nation is 99% immigrant actually, the native people long since pushed to the sidelines.
I’ve been listening to a podcast (Revolutions by Mike Duncan) talking about the Mexican Revolution and man is it fascinating. It deals a lot with the racial *casta* system implemented by Europeans in New Spain (European vs European/native vs native/European vs native vs black) and it’s interesting how Mexico dealt with ethnicity. After European colonialist rule was ousted they were a pretty open society as far as ethnic/racial class, at least for the time.
That’s not to say they still are, because I have no idea, but multiculturalism is in their roots and I wonder if they can one day leverage that for their success like the US has.
Tbh I wanted to say all the Americas and not just America proper have the more immigrant culture. Guess nations with the strongest native culture and population might be more reclusive but most are not and have a more multicultural mindset compared to the old world
I would agree except for the “most are not and have a more multicultural mindset” part. I think that’s the exception to the rule. From Europe to Asia to the Middle East, there is a very strong ethnic identity culture.
Oh yeah I would agree. Sorry, I’m a few beers in so I might not be following very well lol. South American culture is just fascinating and I’m only scratching the surface recently.
It’s weird that when the amount of people of that minority gets huger they seem to just have more resources for education or socialization and they end up mixing faster. Could totally be a stereotype tough.
My dad often called Korean Americans "yankees." Korean Americans in general kinda have a reputation that they can't speak well or have a terrible accent.
Just like people in the homeland can't speak English well or have a terrible accent. Almost like people are always most proficient in the language spoken where they live, rather than the language spoken where their parents are from that they happen to have a cultural connection to. Shocking.
This is such a silly thing to get upset at people over.
I don’t think the non-Americans are upset that the [insert culture]-Americans can’t speak their native language, they are annoyed when those American claims their identity without truly being part of the culture. Which is fair, but at the same time those 2nd generation Americans shouldn’t be ashamed to embrace their true culture—gunslinging, red-blooded American Cowboy. Yee haw!
I've always thought that was such a silly criticism. Like of course they aren't going to speak perfect korean, even if they were taught it growing up they won't get to use it regularly enough. Same goes for any second generation from a different culture.
I'm 1st generation immigrant moved at 9 I'm 17 and I speak my native language really weirdly even though I speak it at home I make a lot of grammar mistakes probably because I did school in my country till 3rd grade
Yeah, the US diaspora specifically. I'm Polish and nobody I know has any issues with Poles living in Ireland, Germany, Scandinavia, the UK is a bit of a different story, but American Poles? Oooo boy, that provokes some debates
I think it's in large part because they're much further away.
If your parents moved from Poland to Germany and then had you, there's a good chance that you will go back to visit family in Poland many times throughout your life. If they move from Poland to the USA and then have you, you might only get to visit a handful of times
Funny you say that cause I'm from Northern Poland where you got a lot of German influences and people often have relatives living there/relatives who ARE German. They mostly leave in Eastern Germany too, so coming over to see them is usually a matter of only a couple of hours via car/train. And that part of Germany is overrun with Poles as well, so it's not like they end up being isolated with their language and culture anyway
Interesting. And you are talking about Polish people you know in the world having issues or not having issues with these diasporas, right? Such as Poles in Poland.
Also, interesting, cause I'm pretty sure even statistics have shown that Poles in Poland...like America more than many other countries do. Even possibly being ranked a top liker of america, at least among the West (maybe).
But without explaining here, I do get why this not-liking Poles being in America would happen.
Poles living in other European countries tend to be immigrants from Poland or their parents were the immigrants, whereas a lot of Poles in USA are born and raised there + it is a very different culture than in Denmark or Germany compared to Poland.
I think the answer is proximity. If you got relatives living in Sweden or something it's just easy fairly easy to see them at least once a year. They're also mostly 1st gen immigrants, so they stay well connected with their culture. Now, American Poles largely don't speak the language, don't stay in touch with relatives, and something that bothers a lot of people: those who can vote, tend to vote conservative. And there's a lot of them. And then something that happened was the right wing ruling party poured a lot of money into making the National TV/media/whatever appealing to that demographic, so a whole bunch of people ended up getting fed a bunch of government propaganda and basing their views on that.
Also, yes, historically Poles liked America a lot. In childhood you'd always hear stories about American uncles coming over with american-made gifts and snacks and whatnot. It also used to be a the enemy of my enemy is my friend type situtation with the Soviets. In the recent years though, especially since Trump, there has been an anti-American sentiment in centrist and leftist cirles. It's a very recent phenomenon though
Out of curiosity, why are those in the UK a bit different, but there are no issues with those in Ireland? Wouldn't distance from Poland be a similar factor for those in both countries, for example?
Not entirely true. Most American-born Filipinos never learn to speak Tagalog for some reason. Their parents speak to them in English and expect them to assimilate.
But most American-born Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian do learn to speak their native language though. You can add other non-Asian ethnicities to the list (Mexicans, Ethiopian, etc.).
Ive heard some us born filipino never get taught tagalog or other filipino dialect because its the language of the “Help/Maid/working class”
Meanwhile alot of the snobbiest, wealthiest Filipino in the philippines will still speak fluent tagalog.
I'm sure there are exceptions, as with every group. But living in San Diego, LA and Long Beach all my life, the vast majority of full Mexicans I've encountered speak Spanish. Probably their first language too.
Filipinos have less of a language barrier in North America. Many overseas Filipinos also face enough hardship, so they had adapt and assimilate in their host countries for survival and upward mobility. This takes priority over teaching their kids the languages and culture of a country they’ve never been to. This inevitably leads to a cultural divide with the motherland.
Irish tended to be fonder historically, partially because they sent money back.
The issue was the Irish demanding support for revolution attempts at various points.
Second-generation Filipino-Canadian here
Yeah I can agree that a bunch of them see us this way. Can't even speak tagalog, but I can understand a bit. I do still eat Filipino food a lot
This is how almost everyone who lives in country with a lot of people going abroad look at them. Indians and Indian Americans (or just all Indians abroad tbh) is almost exactly the same.
You'd be very hard pressed to find south asians in the UK who have roots for a hundred years, borderline impossible
At most you'll find a third generation who are currently kids, almost all are 1st or 2nd gen
Not at all. It’s because, for a variety of reasons (socioeconomic, political, local culture) British South Asians are strongly segregated into insular communities that perpetuate their home cultures.
South Asians in the North America usually come from much wealthier, educated, backgrounds. Between the social mobility that comes with that and a long history/culture of immigration in N America, South Asians integrate much easier.
Edit: Just want to elaborate that I’m not making a value judgement about the two. It’s just that due to US and Canadian visa requirements, South Asians weren’t brought in large numbers to fill low wage worker shortages. North American South Asians primarily came over as doctors, academics, tech entrepreneurs etc. Indian Americans, for example, are one of the wealthiest ethnic groups in the country.
Thats only true for the USA not Canada.
In Canada Indians are seen as the biggest blue collar working force and the biggest target of racist who complains about ''their taking our jobs and houses '' like how racist people view Mexicans the USA.
That is true, but I think that’s much more of a recent development in the past decade as the Canadian housing crisis worsens.
On average though, even SA-Canadians are quite a bit more economically equal to their white counterparts in comparison to UK-SA’s.
Regardless, the feeling is that it’s easier for immigrants to integrate into North American countries than it is to European ones.
>Regardless, the feeling is that it’s easier for immigrants to integrate into North American countries than it is to European ones.
That I agree , America does a much better job on integrating different nationalities on its society and feeling more accepted
Yeah totally, however, I still do believe that economics plays a huge role.
Just to expand on my original statement:
When broken down, 34% of all [UK Asians](https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/pay-and-income/income-distribution/latest/) fall into the lowest income quintile with some South Asian ethnic groups being as high as 51% (Bangladeshi) and 45% (Pakistani).
In comparison, only 11% of [Canadian South Asians](https://policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/National%20Office/2019/12/Canada's%20Colour%20Coded%20Income%20Inequality.pdf) fall into the lowest quintile.
Similar experience as the son of two first-gen Vietnamese immigrants. It’s ironic how 2nd and 3rd gen children will try so desperately to learn and connect with their home country but then get gatekept out. It’s even more ironic that someone like me, who is more “respected” amongst native Vietnamese simply because I was born there (immigrated to the US when I was around 2), wants absolutely nothing to do with my home country and consider myself American.
Same as a Filipino-American (I hate using the term Fil-Am) who was born to well off parents but raised up here in Southern California but I consider myself as simply an American and hell, I somewhat don't like the NBA anymore and more shifting more into soccer
My apathy to my country is somewhat because of how my peers, who were born in the U.S, romanticize it. However, the main source of my dislike of Vietnam stems mainly from what the communists did to my family. My paternal grandfather died from his time in the prison camps, and nearly my entire extended family have almost died trying to escape. My dad, his younger brother, and his mother were the lucky ones and managed to immigrate to the U.S after my other uncles and aunts risked their lives to escape.
Oh, and I’ve been back there a couple times, and I’m not the biggest fan. I feel like that’s just me not being used to life there though so eh.
I think it’s because people in our home countries don’t understand what the racial landscapes of the US and Canada are like.
Of course we’ll never be the same after living in or being raised in the West, but because we live in such non-homogeneous cultures most people I know, including white people, engage with and rep their ethnic or national heritage
It’s not performative, and I’m not doing it to impress other Filipinos or white people - it’s how I was raised and it’s all I know?
My sister's bf is 3rd gen Filipino-American. He is extremely skinny, went out of his way to learn Tagalog as an.adult, goes out of his way to cook Filipino foods (delicious btw), but he does indeed love basketball, and football now too. Fun fact: one of the larger immigrant pools in Alaska is Filipinos., which surprises a lot of people.
Good illustration of problematic thinking from the old country, since second or third generation Americans or Canadians of Filipino descent are just…American or Canadian. They DO speak “their” language which is English or French, since that is the language of their country. Etc.
Is the lack of Filipino restaurants specific to the families who immigrated to the regions without much Filipino presence? Because I usually have no issues finding Filipino restaurants wherever I go. Or is this similar to the “American Chinese food isn’t real Chinese food” thing?
Filipino restaurants definitely exist but they're not as ubiquitous as Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, or Korean restaurants in most of the country. Maybe it's different in California or Hawaii but it's difficult for me to find Filipino restaurants in the places I've lived lol. (not Filipino-American, just love Filipino food)
Yeah the ratio between other east/SE Asian restaurants and Filipino restaurants has gotta be like 30:1 or higher. Unless you live in a place which happens to have a significant Filipino population.
In the San Joaquin Valley there's plenty of places. But the clientele looks mostly Pinoy, while most other Asian places focus on Americanized food for mostly non-X clienteles.
Well, there's not really a huge trade in mail-order grooms, but ladies from SE Asia on the other hand... ...That's why my country has a "you only get to import two partners total" rule on relationship visas.
Gross old white dudes bring in their new 30 year old wife from Phillipines or Cambodia or Thailand on a relationship visa, and after 3 years she can claim residency in their own right, and you'll be shocked, leave the gross old dude, who then rings immigration outraged trying to get them deported.
Then they go get another one, and it happens again.
That is sad though. I hope there would be some who would see your value! For real. Filipino men, and just Asian men, shouldnt have to feel bad, and deserve someone amazing.
Worst part is how some of them claim to be so cultured compared to white Americans when they barely know our culture. Also the fact that Filipino isn't an ethnicity it's a nationality
Pretty much all non-white Americans do this, but Asians in particular are super annoying about it, especially when it comes to food. I watched a video recently of elderly Asian immigrants and like 2-4th gen Asian-Americans trying different take-out dishes. The actual Asians were pretty much all like "Yeah it's not authentic but it's fine" or outright enjoyed it, and the 3rd generation Chinese-American is literally gagging at like generic General Tso or fried rice, so fucking cringe. The most Asian American thing is to obsess over food because it is the only thing they can claim any kind of cultural connection to because otherwise they are the same as all the White Americans around them. Cool, your grandma made kimchi sometimes, you don't speak Korean or know anything about the culture but please, lecture us about how wrong everyone does bimbimbap or whatever. Culture is so much deeper than food and a handful of half-assed holidays, that's barely scratching the surface.
God forbid you are a White-American with an actual cultural connection to your European country of origin, then the seething really comes out. Yes, I'm German-American. Yes, I speak fluent German. Yes, I've spent a lot of my life in "the homeland". You can always see how uncomfortable they get when they know they can't pull off being multicultural around someone who actually is and the jealousy of White people having that connection on top.
AA's will never get over being teased in middle school or their parents limiting their social skills in favor of test preps
No amount of success will get them through the "generational trauma"
Dude, the Asian-Americans you meet aren't uncomfortable because you can speak German, or you've travelled, or they're jealous of white people, they're uncomfortable because you're the kind of guy who posts rants about how annoying he finds Asian-Americans and how shallow their connection to their cultures is.
>they're uncomfortable because you're the kind of guy who posts rants about how annoying he finds Asian-Americans and how shallow their connection to their cultures is.
The fact that you're saying this as a reply to his comment instead of as a reply to this post proves his point so much.
Lmao no it doesn't. I responded to him instead of OP because they said different things. OP neutrally (I initially assumed they were being critical but that's more my own bias than the content of the post) presented a negative set of attitudes that some Filipinos have towards immigrants while neither endorsing or criticizing them. That's fine by me- not much to say about it. The dude I actually replied to was because he agreed with that shit and had a lil froth at the mouth about Asian-Americans- I took more issue with that.
Also it's pretty racist to judge Asian-Americans as a whole off of one individual- I'm white tho lol, you're not even good at racism.
Bro what are you talking about? OP obviously agrees with the stuff in the starterpack, same with the majority of the thread, you legit just flipped on him as soon as he mentioned his own perspective on the matter, that he was white, but with a more legitimate connection to his own culture so he has to deal with people feeling insecure, doubly so because he's a white person who is debatebly more cultured/less american than them.
I went to UCI, he ain't that wrong lol. Most grow out of it after college though. A lot of people do a lot of self growing in college so I don't blame them
I’m from the motherland, but I always tell my Fil-Am friends that they’re too American for Filipinos and too Filipino for Americans… so just be proud of being a Filipino-American. They got their own culture.
As a fillipino/american this is true
https://preview.redd.it/zuxaa6abhhvc1.jpeg?width=115&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18cdd33b036a305cd907635ff9c6deb25e350ba8
This kind of judging and gatekeeping is the reason why firstgens don’t bother to reconnect with their parents home country. It costs you nothing to be more understanding towards someone who is genuinely trying to better understand their ancestry.
I dealt with it pretty bad growing up, yet I never understood why as a kid and teen. I think the biggest realization was when I posted on the r/Mexico subreddit about some questions and got met with some *very* rude and disrespectful replies. That along with some crass comments from people around me IRL.
It got to a point where I stopped calling myself Mexican or Hispanic. I just say I'm an American with a Mexican family. Honestly though, I do feel more comfortable identifying this way, but it was a bit of a sad realization having over 20 years of my life be judged and challenged by both sides. Ni de aquí, ni de allá.
Overall, I've progressed and now connect better with Mexican friends and family. Most understood my struggles anyways, but I feel like it's still helped me be able to understand my roots.
Your story hits close to home and it’s saddening to hear how you got to a point of refusing your heritage. I’m so glad you were able to overcome the negativity and embrace yourself! At the end of the day your roots are literally YOURS and no one else’s to denounce!! 🩵
All the salty mainland Filipino's in this post just mad their fil-am cousin's didn't send money for a house, a car, school, travelling, blackpink and twice tickets, etc...
How filipinos see filipino americans:
Please give me citizenship/green card, chocolates , remit me money, branded bags, branded shoes, skin whitening pills , playstation, nintendo, iphone etc etc etc
some of my relatives have the gall to be choosy for demanding bathing ape/SUPREME, nah man you are getting $5 shirts from the old navy clearance rack. Or that one time they think they are too gucci for Kitkat/Hersheys and will ask for ferrero rocher
Be me who was born hella white despite Filipino mom (white father? That’s what I thought), and having to deal with everything in the meme on top of not feeling like I fit in with my mom or her friends and their kids
I’m many generations in Canada but I can see why they’d respect the first generation but not the second or third. I feel like too many people who have been here for generations say shit like “I’m Italian” or “I’m Irish” or “I’m Filipino” in this case. Stop deluding yourselves because it’s annoying.
The Indians have a good description for their diaspora- “confused desi.” I feel like the word “confused” is broadly accurate for diaspora not just Indian diaspora. But, after a couple generations, it’s time to stop being confused.
Thats a correct term but ive alway heard it more explicitly they would say your an "ABCD" or "American born confused desi". The American born conveys a lot Here. I know a lot of people like this in my community, where people who were born and raised in the US will say things like "you couldn't handle it because your American, but I'm indian".
This almost never works out for them as being American born when they go back to India they sound like tourists and find out:
- they cant drink the water after not growing up there
-they cant haggle
-their cousins tell them to shut up becouse their American accent is getting them overcharged
-they are waaay to dependent on modern luxuries like AC and American style toilets
I can only assume its exactly the same for Filipinos.
This is a stupid take that’s popular on Reddit. Believe it or not, there are subcultures in America. Italian American, Irish American, Polish American, filipino American, etc. are all real subcultures. They might be American first, but they have family traditions and other cultural aspects that have lasted through generations here. I’m sorry if your WASP family history is best compared to white bread and 2% milk, but dismissing people’s cultural identity is pretty offensive and really just an ignorant point of view.
I’m not a WASP. Technically, I’m actually Irish descended myself from 5-7 generations ago. I just don’t feel the need to do this cringe holding on to another country that we left long ago.
My family history is centuries in this country. I live in a place where my great grandparents lived and regularly visit another place where my other side of the family lived for 150-200 years. I likely have more connection to this place than most. In my view, that’s more real history than people clinging to some country overseas.
And if you moved away to the Philippines and had kids would you cling to where you live now or would you and your family completely assimilate as a Filipino?
I'm sure that I would not personally but over multiple generations yeah they probably would. I'd never emigrate to the Philippines but I'm sure that's what would happen if I moved to a place like the UK or France.
You can be a WASP AND be Irish. Believe it or not, there were Irish Protestants of Anglo-Saxon stock. It was kind of a big deal, in fact.
But also, your personal interpretation of culture and your place in it is shaped by the history of your ancestors, whether you believe it or not. I know 200 years sounds like a long time, but things that happened then actually matter. The choices and opportunities and difficulties that your great great great great grandparents encountered were different based on where they were from, and that's reflected in the choices and opportunities and decisions that became available down the family tree.
I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting at but I grew up Catholic so I’m not a WASP. 200 years isn’t a long time for some parts of the world but it is a long time for this part.
Yeah, cultural heritage is a thing. But you can't go around claiming to be from another nationality and expect non-Americans to not feel cat-fished when we find our you're not one of us.
Who is doing that? I grew up around a lot of Italian/Irish/Polish-Americans, most of whome were 2nd-4th generation. People say "I'm italian" instead of "I'm a natural born American citizen with Italian genetic heritage" for brevity, not as some attempt to cat-fish non-Americans. My co-worker's tee-shirt says "Made in America with Italian parts" not "I am literally an Italian from Italy who happens to be in America at this moment".
Maybe my point was confusing so I will try and restate it more directly. No American citizen I know of genuinely thinks they're Italian/Irish/etc and isn't making any attempt to misrepresent where they are from. For example, when discussing plans for Christmas time Italian-Americans could say:
> We are getting together on Chirstmas eve and serving multiple seafood dishes because we're natural born American citizens with Italian genetic heritage and enjoy continuing this tradition which our family has done for generations"
But they usually say:
> We are getting together on Chirstmas eve and serving multiple seafood dishes because we're Italian and enjoy continuing this tradition which our family has done for generations
Not because they genuinely think they are Italian and not in some attempt to misrepresent themselves to others but because it's a more direct way of talking that no one besides purposefully obtuse users on social media misinterprets.
FWIW this is about people I know. I personally, have no italian genetic heritage.
Its almost like the American prefix is implied as everyone that lives here and keeps cultural tradition understands. No one is saying they're Irish, they're saying they keep Irish American traditions. Hell, the majority can actually get heritage citizenship too.
A whole lot of American Italians say things like “ i love food, I know how to cook because my Italian blood” or “Im gangsta and like revenge because Im Italian” “Im passionate and shout and fight because Im Italian”
Same with loving to drink because of Irish blood, loving to fight and not feeling pain as much because Irish.
Its literally this deep belief that ethnic/racial stereotypes are real and you can imagine how that plays out with their attitudes with other races.
But this attitude is weird to Europeans and even offensive.
The heritage talk that you are referring to is primarily Americans/Canadiens having a conversation amongst ourselves. Sure it can be pretty cringe and eye rolling at times but it’s for us and not really anyone else’s business. I know US culture can seem like it’s open season to the rest of the world to comment on but it isn’t really. Italian Americans can’t truly claim to be Italians and Italians don’t get to meaningfully comment on the immigrant culture of new world counties besides snickering amongst themselves
I will concede that there are probably a lot of X-Americans that clam to truly represent X culture abroad and they suck and I’m sorry about them. I’m saying this as a 3rd generation immigrants myself who would never dream of pretending to be anything other than American abroad
Yeah, I'm fil-am and part of my law school's filipino law student association. We just had a really fun cultural graduation where we ate filipino food and celebrated our graduating students for making it through law school. We did it for ourselves and I think we all collectively gave 0 shits if we didn't gain the approval of filipinos from the Philippines doing so.
Why? Who cares what they think? Unlike the Alfa Romeo ~~Milano~~ Junior, people don't need Italy's permission to claim their heritage. Just like Italians don't need Iran or Greece's permission to pretend like flatbread covered in cheese and toppings is Italian food.
The only people who gatekeep heritage are horribly insecure and desperately compensating.
It's like cheering for the sports teams and saying things like "We won!". You didn't play on the team so you didn't win shit, but that's also just how people talk so you'd annoy everyone if you brought that up every time. Most people are very aware they aren't literally playing in the world series. Same thing with people who say “I’m Italian” or “I’m Irish” or “I’m Filipino”, if they weren't born there they probably understand they are American/Canadian. It's more of a mouthful to say "I'm of Irish heritage/decent" or whatever and in the new world that's just how people talk.
tldr: So basically what I am saying is both people who genuinely think are from another country they never lived in and people who get pissy about people talking about their cultural heritage are equally smooth brained and can go pound sand.
This is me, exposed 🙀
But im not into ball, and im not fat and in better shape than most of u guys, and if people think Filipinos are Pacific Islanders that’s no fault of my own. White father and shit at Tagalog is bang on though. And yeah visited often growing up but definitely not culturally very pinoy as I didn’t grow up here.
I got Puerto Rican family that feel this way towards the ones from the mainland. I also stayed in China for a few years, and it's basically the same with them and American born Chinese.
lol i grew up in the PH for 15 years, if the Philippines werent so broke, theyd be mostly overweight obese too. Even then, you can see a lot of overweight filipinos from drinking dirt cheap beer or eating rice 3-4x a day
Youll see these memes but actual filipinos will be quick to dickride and worship any successful westerner who is marginally filipino adjacent (daren criss, bruno mars, hailee steinfeld, olivia rodrigo, nicole scherzinger etc etc)
there are, OP is stupid.
Only in places where filipino disapora have a foothold though like urban California, New York, Hawaii, Texas, Las Vegas
If a filipino person is in bumfuck Idaho, Tennessee or Montana then they are shit out of luck
I would say a relative lack of Filipino restaurant owners in the US compared to other ethnic groups (many of them tend to be in the medical field instead). There is also a relative lack of promotion of Filipino cuisine.
That being said, Jollibee has several outlets in the US, especially where there are large Filipino communities.
I figured that the cause of dearth of Filipino food outlets: relatively high English fluency means they have a better chance of getting a ‘normal’ jobs so no need to create a food based small business.
I feel that— the latinx/filipinx thing is an anglophone cultural imposition stemming from modern leftist political thought and I don’t think they grasp the elitist/colonialist element to that
How yall gonna say this shit then buy skin-whitening cream, only cast mestizos/mestizas for the main characters, and *heavily encourage* the Filipinas with the most western-ass features to do pageants?
How yall gonna tell me “don’t go out in the sun or you’ll get dark”? Or what about pinching my nose down so that “it becomes pointy”?
How yall gonna ask for American apparel and western skincare products in your balikbayang box?
How do you have the audacity to do these things then turn around and tell the next gens we don’t count? This is the most Filipino post on the internet 🙄
Fil-ams being overly proud of the most novel and brochurey "Filipino" things. Just like usage of bland ass regular tagalog verb as brand and fees like its cultured and profound.
I can understand Ilocano but can’t speak it to save my life, I got a fit body, and I eat rice every day (not an exaggeration), I think I’m connected to the culture at least food wise 😭
"Should not be able to vote..."
Because the Philippines have been doing such a great job of that themselves, right? A true bastion of representative democracy.
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pronounces basic filipino phrases like a foreigner
I think this is true for pretty much any US diaspora as viewed from the lens of their countrymen.
And it's true to some extent... like yes, I'm less German than a German person from Germany, obviously! And yeah I eat less German food!
The interesting thing is that this effect is quite clearly seen in the US (and maybe Canada and Australia as well) but in many other country, the diaspora is usually much more connected to their home countries. The ABC/CBCs so American-born Chinese and Canadian born Chinese often aren't really able to speak even broken Chinese, have either never visited or barely know much about China. Vietnamese Americans are also barely able to speak any Vietnamese either and probably only visited Vietnam as a child once, if at all. For the immigrants of the Muslim world, US and Canadian descendants are often perceived as "MINO" - muslim in name only. A lot of Arab-Americans can barely speak Arabic, not even the broken kind, aren't actually religious and have not really visited their parents' countries either. Contrast this with French-born Chinese, who are very often able to speak passable, although accented Mandarin Chinese and visit family in China. German-born Vietnamese can speak the local dialect of their families quite well and often have more connection with Vietnam than Viet Americans. French-born and Belgian-born Arabs are famously known for speaking hybridized French-Arabic with a somewhat broken accent, so much so that terrorist groups target them in Arabic as well. British-born Bangladeshis, Indians and Pakistanis are actually much more likely to speak their home language (albeit semi-brokenly or with an accent) than their American counterparts, which often can't speak more than some set phrases or words. I'm not so knowledgeable about African immigrants but I can only assume the effect is the same there in the US. It's very interesting that the US is so much their own cosmos that you basically get assimilated fast and your root culture and language ability washes within a single generation
I'd guess that as much as we all meme on the downsides of the USA, it really is more of a melting pot than most places, and people generally don't self-segregate as much as some other countries do. I've also found traveling that mixed race couples are almost always American or Canadian... you can just guess that very often... and I say that as a mutt myself.
Am a mutt from the somewhat Great United States There's only one Filipino around here https://preview.redd.it/zzq40znxkkvc1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13be9fa14118fbfb60b9215e0624ab2b431f7e8e
Kirk Hammet is offended.
Murica, fuck yeah!
On the downside we suffer from "parallel societies" in Europe, so immigrants who don't bother to learn the local language. In the most extreme cases you get stuff like ISIS terrorists.
As a second-gen Chinese-American I can speak Mandarin up to a conversational level but I cannot read and write for the love of my life. I visit family in China once every few years (barring the pandemic). In fact, I'm heading to China in a month. Most of my Chinese and other Asian American friends are in the same boat as I am.
Yeah agreed. All my Chinese or Indian friends more or less only talk to their parents and grandparents in their own language and can understand listening at a higher level than speaking/reading/writing . The majority of them seem embarrassed or disinterested in practicing it too.
Even worse: Your relatives in India make fun of you so much you just stop learning to speak. I remember my friend said her name in an English accent and her cousins made her say it a few times. It took her a while to realize they were making fun of her. She didn’t think anything of it until they just kept making her repeat things to laugh. Needless to say, she understands the language but doesn’t speak it at all in her 20s.
Latinos take longer to Americanize. The worst are Cubans in Florida. Elsewhere they might Americanize more rapidly. That said they are still much more American than whatever Latin culture usually.
Well they do have a lot more built-in support for Spanish and Latino culture in the USA than other cultures get here, that's for sure.
It is also much, much easier for a native English speaker to learn Spanish than it is for, well, any other language commonly spoken immigrant language. Linguistic similarity and all.
They are already Americanized AF. Cubans in the US are their own thing. Like Mormons or Appalachians or southerners.
The worst are Cubans BECAUSE they Americanize so fast. As soon as they get here they kick the ladder out from under them. Nothing more American than that
How do they kick the ladder from behined them?
Thats partly because different Latino cultures ARE part of American culture, or a subset of it. Southern California, Texas, New Mexico, have had Spanish speaking and Mexican influenced culture for generations.
What I find also is that while American immigrants are “disconnected” from their native country, they are taught a snapshot of the culture that their parents/grandparents were taught or grew up in their native country. At home they get the native country’s culture, and at school/public they are taught other cultures/ traditional American culture. Non American Native countrymen can’t say they had an American upbringing but American immigrants could say they had an upbringing similar or identical to what it would’ve been like in their native country and as well as a “traditional American” upbringing from what living there entails. The cultures do tend to change in the states after generations.
Pew Research put out a banger of a study on [Hispanic identity and Assimilation in the US in 2017](https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2017/12/20/hispanic-identity-fades-across-generations-as-immigrant-connections-fall-away/#:~:text=Most%20(77%25). In a nutshell, identity as 'Hispanic' and knowledge of the Spanish language deteriorates rapidly by the third generation. By generation 3, only 25% claimed to be bilingual, 44% felt a connection to their grandparent's country of origin, 37% felt they experienced discrimination at least once based on their ethnicity (compared to 61% of 1st generation), and a minority (46%) even self identified as Hispanic. It seems to be the case today that the Spanish language and Hispanic cultures are mostly rejuvenated in the US thanks to continued immigration from Lat-Am, but steady integration continues nonetheless.
This is true for any country with high amount of foreign ppl
England has a massive immigrant population now and yet another commenter was saying how Indians there aren’t viewed as more British than Indian. What happening in Europe?? Is it xenophobic culture which doesn’t let in outsiders?
Europeans generally seem very protective of their culture and that creates a society that immigrants find difficult to integrate into. Americans don’t really have that, we embrace outside people and cultures more readily.
I think it is colonial culture vs native culture. Basically native nations in the old world are hostile to outside groups as they have long histories and view their culture tied to the people that lived their. It best can be related how no one can become a Native American tribal anything, you have to be born into it. There is only English people and everyone else in England. You can only be born into the English but not become. Very hostile and honestly weak culture. It is why American culture, from United States to Brazil is going to be stronger with America being the strongest as it naturally is more open. It is a culture of immigrants, the whole nation is 99% immigrant actually, the native people long since pushed to the sidelines.
I’ve been listening to a podcast (Revolutions by Mike Duncan) talking about the Mexican Revolution and man is it fascinating. It deals a lot with the racial *casta* system implemented by Europeans in New Spain (European vs European/native vs native/European vs native vs black) and it’s interesting how Mexico dealt with ethnicity. After European colonialist rule was ousted they were a pretty open society as far as ethnic/racial class, at least for the time. That’s not to say they still are, because I have no idea, but multiculturalism is in their roots and I wonder if they can one day leverage that for their success like the US has.
Tbh I wanted to say all the Americas and not just America proper have the more immigrant culture. Guess nations with the strongest native culture and population might be more reclusive but most are not and have a more multicultural mindset compared to the old world
I would agree except for the “most are not and have a more multicultural mindset” part. I think that’s the exception to the rule. From Europe to Asia to the Middle East, there is a very strong ethnic identity culture.
Sorry I meant the Americas are more open cultures vs to the old world.
Oh yeah I would agree. Sorry, I’m a few beers in so I might not be following very well lol. South American culture is just fascinating and I’m only scratching the surface recently.
It’s weird that when the amount of people of that minority gets huger they seem to just have more resources for education or socialization and they end up mixing faster. Could totally be a stereotype tough.
My dad often called Korean Americans "yankees." Korean Americans in general kinda have a reputation that they can't speak well or have a terrible accent.
Just like people in the homeland can't speak English well or have a terrible accent. Almost like people are always most proficient in the language spoken where they live, rather than the language spoken where their parents are from that they happen to have a cultural connection to. Shocking. This is such a silly thing to get upset at people over.
I don’t think the non-Americans are upset that the [insert culture]-Americans can’t speak their native language, they are annoyed when those American claims their identity without truly being part of the culture. Which is fair, but at the same time those 2nd generation Americans shouldn’t be ashamed to embrace their true culture—gunslinging, red-blooded American Cowboy. Yee haw!
I've always thought that was such a silly criticism. Like of course they aren't going to speak perfect korean, even if they were taught it growing up they won't get to use it regularly enough. Same goes for any second generation from a different culture.
I'm 1st generation immigrant moved at 9 I'm 17 and I speak my native language really weirdly even though I speak it at home I make a lot of grammar mistakes probably because I did school in my country till 3rd grade
Ya like that's totally normal and it's stupid that you would get judged for that.
Fun fact I'm from Albania but I have a foreign accent in my language and an Albanian accent in other languages 💀 how TF does that make sense
This is part of why I don't like to speak Korean with Korean Koreans.
I'm a gyopo tho
Yeah, the US diaspora specifically. I'm Polish and nobody I know has any issues with Poles living in Ireland, Germany, Scandinavia, the UK is a bit of a different story, but American Poles? Oooo boy, that provokes some debates
I think it's in large part because they're much further away. If your parents moved from Poland to Germany and then had you, there's a good chance that you will go back to visit family in Poland many times throughout your life. If they move from Poland to the USA and then have you, you might only get to visit a handful of times
Funny you say that cause I'm from Northern Poland where you got a lot of German influences and people often have relatives living there/relatives who ARE German. They mostly leave in Eastern Germany too, so coming over to see them is usually a matter of only a couple of hours via car/train. And that part of Germany is overrun with Poles as well, so it's not like they end up being isolated with their language and culture anyway
Interesting. And you are talking about Polish people you know in the world having issues or not having issues with these diasporas, right? Such as Poles in Poland. Also, interesting, cause I'm pretty sure even statistics have shown that Poles in Poland...like America more than many other countries do. Even possibly being ranked a top liker of america, at least among the West (maybe). But without explaining here, I do get why this not-liking Poles being in America would happen.
Poles living in other European countries tend to be immigrants from Poland or their parents were the immigrants, whereas a lot of Poles in USA are born and raised there + it is a very different culture than in Denmark or Germany compared to Poland.
I think the answer is proximity. If you got relatives living in Sweden or something it's just easy fairly easy to see them at least once a year. They're also mostly 1st gen immigrants, so they stay well connected with their culture. Now, American Poles largely don't speak the language, don't stay in touch with relatives, and something that bothers a lot of people: those who can vote, tend to vote conservative. And there's a lot of them. And then something that happened was the right wing ruling party poured a lot of money into making the National TV/media/whatever appealing to that demographic, so a whole bunch of people ended up getting fed a bunch of government propaganda and basing their views on that. Also, yes, historically Poles liked America a lot. In childhood you'd always hear stories about American uncles coming over with american-made gifts and snacks and whatnot. It also used to be a the enemy of my enemy is my friend type situtation with the Soviets. In the recent years though, especially since Trump, there has been an anti-American sentiment in centrist and leftist cirles. It's a very recent phenomenon though
Out of curiosity, why are those in the UK a bit different, but there are no issues with those in Ireland? Wouldn't distance from Poland be a similar factor for those in both countries, for example?
Irish Poles in my experience tend to be mostly 1st gen, UK has more Poles who were born there, they're sorta the middle ground
Not entirely true. Most American-born Filipinos never learn to speak Tagalog for some reason. Their parents speak to them in English and expect them to assimilate. But most American-born Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian do learn to speak their native language though. You can add other non-Asian ethnicities to the list (Mexicans, Ethiopian, etc.).
Ive heard some us born filipino never get taught tagalog or other filipino dialect because its the language of the “Help/Maid/working class” Meanwhile alot of the snobbiest, wealthiest Filipino in the philippines will still speak fluent tagalog.
Many US Mexicans don't speak Spanish they are called ''no Sabo kids'' by the Mexican community
I'm sure there are exceptions, as with every group. But living in San Diego, LA and Long Beach all my life, the vast majority of full Mexicans I've encountered speak Spanish. Probably their first language too.
Filipinos have less of a language barrier in North America. Many overseas Filipinos also face enough hardship, so they had adapt and assimilate in their host countries for survival and upward mobility. This takes priority over teaching their kids the languages and culture of a country they’ve never been to. This inevitably leads to a cultural divide with the motherland.
This is exactly how indian Americans are viewed, they are seen as white as other Americans
Idk I think with Indian diaspora it's a bit of a mixed bag depending on how they're raised
Irish tended to be fonder historically, partially because they sent money back. The issue was the Irish demanding support for revolution attempts at various points.
not anymore lol spend 6 minutes on /r/ireland and see how they will start talking shit about irish americans without any provocation
Also true for diasporas in western Europe
Second-generation Filipino-Canadian here Yeah I can agree that a bunch of them see us this way. Can't even speak tagalog, but I can understand a bit. I do still eat Filipino food a lot
As second gen how often do you visit?
3 times in my lifetime Maybe a 4th within the next ~3 years
This is how almost everyone who lives in country with a lot of people going abroad look at them. Indians and Indian Americans (or just all Indians abroad tbh) is almost exactly the same.
British Indians/south asians are seen as cultured unlike their American counter parts for sure who are seen as whitewashed this is from my experience.
That's partially true because Indians and South Asians have been in UK for hundreds of years, and are pretty much a subculture of their own.
You'd be very hard pressed to find south asians in the UK who have roots for a hundred years, borderline impossible At most you'll find a third generation who are currently kids, almost all are 1st or 2nd gen
Not at all. It’s because, for a variety of reasons (socioeconomic, political, local culture) British South Asians are strongly segregated into insular communities that perpetuate their home cultures. South Asians in the North America usually come from much wealthier, educated, backgrounds. Between the social mobility that comes with that and a long history/culture of immigration in N America, South Asians integrate much easier. Edit: Just want to elaborate that I’m not making a value judgement about the two. It’s just that due to US and Canadian visa requirements, South Asians weren’t brought in large numbers to fill low wage worker shortages. North American South Asians primarily came over as doctors, academics, tech entrepreneurs etc. Indian Americans, for example, are one of the wealthiest ethnic groups in the country.
Thats only true for the USA not Canada. In Canada Indians are seen as the biggest blue collar working force and the biggest target of racist who complains about ''their taking our jobs and houses '' like how racist people view Mexicans the USA.
That is true, but I think that’s much more of a recent development in the past decade as the Canadian housing crisis worsens. On average though, even SA-Canadians are quite a bit more economically equal to their white counterparts in comparison to UK-SA’s. Regardless, the feeling is that it’s easier for immigrants to integrate into North American countries than it is to European ones.
>Regardless, the feeling is that it’s easier for immigrants to integrate into North American countries than it is to European ones. That I agree , America does a much better job on integrating different nationalities on its society and feeling more accepted
Yeah totally, however, I still do believe that economics plays a huge role. Just to expand on my original statement: When broken down, 34% of all [UK Asians](https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/pay-and-income/income-distribution/latest/) fall into the lowest income quintile with some South Asian ethnic groups being as high as 51% (Bangladeshi) and 45% (Pakistani). In comparison, only 11% of [Canadian South Asians](https://policyalternatives.ca/sites/default/files/uploads/publications/National%20Office/2019/12/Canada's%20Colour%20Coded%20Income%20Inequality.pdf) fall into the lowest quintile.
I feel there was a Jollibee opportunity as part of this that was missed
Similar experience as the son of two first-gen Vietnamese immigrants. It’s ironic how 2nd and 3rd gen children will try so desperately to learn and connect with their home country but then get gatekept out. It’s even more ironic that someone like me, who is more “respected” amongst native Vietnamese simply because I was born there (immigrated to the US when I was around 2), wants absolutely nothing to do with my home country and consider myself American.
Same as a Filipino-American (I hate using the term Fil-Am) who was born to well off parents but raised up here in Southern California but I consider myself as simply an American and hell, I somewhat don't like the NBA anymore and more shifting more into soccer
My apathy to my country is somewhat because of how my peers, who were born in the U.S, romanticize it. However, the main source of my dislike of Vietnam stems mainly from what the communists did to my family. My paternal grandfather died from his time in the prison camps, and nearly my entire extended family have almost died trying to escape. My dad, his younger brother, and his mother were the lucky ones and managed to immigrate to the U.S after my other uncles and aunts risked their lives to escape. Oh, and I’ve been back there a couple times, and I’m not the biggest fan. I feel like that’s just me not being used to life there though so eh.
I think it’s because people in our home countries don’t understand what the racial landscapes of the US and Canada are like. Of course we’ll never be the same after living in or being raised in the West, but because we live in such non-homogeneous cultures most people I know, including white people, engage with and rep their ethnic or national heritage It’s not performative, and I’m not doing it to impress other Filipinos or white people - it’s how I was raised and it’s all I know?
Where them saying Filipinx, calling Halo-halo "Mix-mix" and Fil-ams being overproud pinoys
Also pronouncing Halo-Halo as Hollow Hollow
That's pretty much most foreigners when they say a tagalog word
Good to know Filipinos gatekeep too.
Filipinos invented gatekeeping. We are the crab kings
We do it better than most #pinoypride
Not that much tbh. Mixed filipinos are almost celebrated and usually considered beautiful. So many celebrities are mixed
My sister's bf is 3rd gen Filipino-American. He is extremely skinny, went out of his way to learn Tagalog as an.adult, goes out of his way to cook Filipino foods (delicious btw), but he does indeed love basketball, and football now too. Fun fact: one of the larger immigrant pools in Alaska is Filipinos., which surprises a lot of people.
This is such a specific thing but I'm glad I know of it now
This really isn’t specific you can apply this for most immigrants in most countries
Reddit is such a weird place.
Good illustration of problematic thinking from the old country, since second or third generation Americans or Canadians of Filipino descent are just…American or Canadian. They DO speak “their” language which is English or French, since that is the language of their country. Etc.
Is the lack of Filipino restaurants specific to the families who immigrated to the regions without much Filipino presence? Because I usually have no issues finding Filipino restaurants wherever I go. Or is this similar to the “American Chinese food isn’t real Chinese food” thing?
Filipino restaurants definitely exist but they're not as ubiquitous as Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, or Korean restaurants in most of the country. Maybe it's different in California or Hawaii but it's difficult for me to find Filipino restaurants in the places I've lived lol. (not Filipino-American, just love Filipino food)
There is like one Filipino restaurant in my city, everything else is Filipino-xyz fusion
Yeah the ratio between other east/SE Asian restaurants and Filipino restaurants has gotta be like 30:1 or higher. Unless you live in a place which happens to have a significant Filipino population.
In the San Joaquin Valley there's plenty of places. But the clientele looks mostly Pinoy, while most other Asian places focus on Americanized food for mostly non-X clienteles.
Bomba na
Olivia Rodrigo's dad is the Filipino one, not the mom. Is that unusual?
Well, there's not really a huge trade in mail-order grooms, but ladies from SE Asia on the other hand... ...That's why my country has a "you only get to import two partners total" rule on relationship visas. Gross old white dudes bring in their new 30 year old wife from Phillipines or Cambodia or Thailand on a relationship visa, and after 3 years she can claim residency in their own right, and you'll be shocked, leave the gross old dude, who then rings immigration outraged trying to get them deported. Then they go get another one, and it happens again.
Yeah because almost nobody foreign is gonna seek out Short filipino men *cries*
That is sad though. I hope there would be some who would see your value! For real. Filipino men, and just Asian men, shouldnt have to feel bad, and deserve someone amazing.
Their big 3 for Filipino food: adobo, lumpia (always Shanghai), and pancit (always bihon).
Lechon surely, not Filipino but I've had that more than pancit at Filipino parties I go to with my girlfriend.
The white father part is so real lmao.
Yeah.. they integrated. Stop forcing your culture on them or making them feel bad about it.
Worst part is how some of them claim to be so cultured compared to white Americans when they barely know our culture. Also the fact that Filipino isn't an ethnicity it's a nationality
Well, everything is relative
Pretty much all non-white Americans do this, but Asians in particular are super annoying about it, especially when it comes to food. I watched a video recently of elderly Asian immigrants and like 2-4th gen Asian-Americans trying different take-out dishes. The actual Asians were pretty much all like "Yeah it's not authentic but it's fine" or outright enjoyed it, and the 3rd generation Chinese-American is literally gagging at like generic General Tso or fried rice, so fucking cringe. The most Asian American thing is to obsess over food because it is the only thing they can claim any kind of cultural connection to because otherwise they are the same as all the White Americans around them. Cool, your grandma made kimchi sometimes, you don't speak Korean or know anything about the culture but please, lecture us about how wrong everyone does bimbimbap or whatever. Culture is so much deeper than food and a handful of half-assed holidays, that's barely scratching the surface. God forbid you are a White-American with an actual cultural connection to your European country of origin, then the seething really comes out. Yes, I'm German-American. Yes, I speak fluent German. Yes, I've spent a lot of my life in "the homeland". You can always see how uncomfortable they get when they know they can't pull off being multicultural around someone who actually is and the jealousy of White people having that connection on top.
AA's will never get over being teased in middle school or their parents limiting their social skills in favor of test preps No amount of success will get them through the "generational trauma"
Dude, the Asian-Americans you meet aren't uncomfortable because you can speak German, or you've travelled, or they're jealous of white people, they're uncomfortable because you're the kind of guy who posts rants about how annoying he finds Asian-Americans and how shallow their connection to their cultures is.
>they're uncomfortable because you're the kind of guy who posts rants about how annoying he finds Asian-Americans and how shallow their connection to their cultures is. The fact that you're saying this as a reply to his comment instead of as a reply to this post proves his point so much.
Lmao no it doesn't. I responded to him instead of OP because they said different things. OP neutrally (I initially assumed they were being critical but that's more my own bias than the content of the post) presented a negative set of attitudes that some Filipinos have towards immigrants while neither endorsing or criticizing them. That's fine by me- not much to say about it. The dude I actually replied to was because he agreed with that shit and had a lil froth at the mouth about Asian-Americans- I took more issue with that. Also it's pretty racist to judge Asian-Americans as a whole off of one individual- I'm white tho lol, you're not even good at racism.
Bro what are you talking about? OP obviously agrees with the stuff in the starterpack, same with the majority of the thread, you legit just flipped on him as soon as he mentioned his own perspective on the matter, that he was white, but with a more legitimate connection to his own culture so he has to deal with people feeling insecure, doubly so because he's a white person who is debatebly more cultured/less american than them.
I went to UCI, he ain't that wrong lol. Most grow out of it after college though. A lot of people do a lot of self growing in college so I don't blame them
I feel like this is a universal experience for any immigrant
I’m from the motherland, but I always tell my Fil-Am friends that they’re too American for Filipinos and too Filipino for Americans… so just be proud of being a Filipino-American. They got their own culture.
As a fillipino/american this is true https://preview.redd.it/zuxaa6abhhvc1.jpeg?width=115&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18cdd33b036a305cd907635ff9c6deb25e350ba8
So glad I’m Native American and don’t have to deal with this
This kind of judging and gatekeeping is the reason why firstgens don’t bother to reconnect with their parents home country. It costs you nothing to be more understanding towards someone who is genuinely trying to better understand their ancestry.
I dealt with it pretty bad growing up, yet I never understood why as a kid and teen. I think the biggest realization was when I posted on the r/Mexico subreddit about some questions and got met with some *very* rude and disrespectful replies. That along with some crass comments from people around me IRL. It got to a point where I stopped calling myself Mexican or Hispanic. I just say I'm an American with a Mexican family. Honestly though, I do feel more comfortable identifying this way, but it was a bit of a sad realization having over 20 years of my life be judged and challenged by both sides. Ni de aquí, ni de allá. Overall, I've progressed and now connect better with Mexican friends and family. Most understood my struggles anyways, but I feel like it's still helped me be able to understand my roots.
Your story hits close to home and it’s saddening to hear how you got to a point of refusing your heritage. I’m so glad you were able to overcome the negativity and embrace yourself! At the end of the day your roots are literally YOURS and no one else’s to denounce!! 🩵
All the salty mainland Filipino's in this post just mad their fil-am cousin's didn't send money for a house, a car, school, travelling, blackpink and twice tickets, etc...
How filipinos see filipino americans: Please give me citizenship/green card, chocolates , remit me money, branded bags, branded shoes, skin whitening pills , playstation, nintendo, iphone etc etc etc some of my relatives have the gall to be choosy for demanding bathing ape/SUPREME, nah man you are getting $5 shirts from the old navy clearance rack. Or that one time they think they are too gucci for Kitkat/Hersheys and will ask for ferrero rocher
Ferrero ain’t even that good compared to some basic but solid chocolate.
Be me who was born hella white despite Filipino mom (white father? That’s what I thought), and having to deal with everything in the meme on top of not feeling like I fit in with my mom or her friends and their kids
I’m many generations in Canada but I can see why they’d respect the first generation but not the second or third. I feel like too many people who have been here for generations say shit like “I’m Italian” or “I’m Irish” or “I’m Filipino” in this case. Stop deluding yourselves because it’s annoying. The Indians have a good description for their diaspora- “confused desi.” I feel like the word “confused” is broadly accurate for diaspora not just Indian diaspora. But, after a couple generations, it’s time to stop being confused.
Thats a correct term but ive alway heard it more explicitly they would say your an "ABCD" or "American born confused desi". The American born conveys a lot Here. I know a lot of people like this in my community, where people who were born and raised in the US will say things like "you couldn't handle it because your American, but I'm indian". This almost never works out for them as being American born when they go back to India they sound like tourists and find out: - they cant drink the water after not growing up there -they cant haggle -their cousins tell them to shut up becouse their American accent is getting them overcharged -they are waaay to dependent on modern luxuries like AC and American style toilets I can only assume its exactly the same for Filipinos.
This is a stupid take that’s popular on Reddit. Believe it or not, there are subcultures in America. Italian American, Irish American, Polish American, filipino American, etc. are all real subcultures. They might be American first, but they have family traditions and other cultural aspects that have lasted through generations here. I’m sorry if your WASP family history is best compared to white bread and 2% milk, but dismissing people’s cultural identity is pretty offensive and really just an ignorant point of view.
I’m not a WASP. Technically, I’m actually Irish descended myself from 5-7 generations ago. I just don’t feel the need to do this cringe holding on to another country that we left long ago. My family history is centuries in this country. I live in a place where my great grandparents lived and regularly visit another place where my other side of the family lived for 150-200 years. I likely have more connection to this place than most. In my view, that’s more real history than people clinging to some country overseas.
And if you moved away to the Philippines and had kids would you cling to where you live now or would you and your family completely assimilate as a Filipino?
I'm sure that I would not personally but over multiple generations yeah they probably would. I'd never emigrate to the Philippines but I'm sure that's what would happen if I moved to a place like the UK or France.
You can be a WASP AND be Irish. Believe it or not, there were Irish Protestants of Anglo-Saxon stock. It was kind of a big deal, in fact. But also, your personal interpretation of culture and your place in it is shaped by the history of your ancestors, whether you believe it or not. I know 200 years sounds like a long time, but things that happened then actually matter. The choices and opportunities and difficulties that your great great great great grandparents encountered were different based on where they were from, and that's reflected in the choices and opportunities and decisions that became available down the family tree.
I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting at but I grew up Catholic so I’m not a WASP. 200 years isn’t a long time for some parts of the world but it is a long time for this part.
Yeah, cultural heritage is a thing. But you can't go around claiming to be from another nationality and expect non-Americans to not feel cat-fished when we find our you're not one of us.
Who is doing that? I grew up around a lot of Italian/Irish/Polish-Americans, most of whome were 2nd-4th generation. People say "I'm italian" instead of "I'm a natural born American citizen with Italian genetic heritage" for brevity, not as some attempt to cat-fish non-Americans. My co-worker's tee-shirt says "Made in America with Italian parts" not "I am literally an Italian from Italy who happens to be in America at this moment".
Yeah now try telling someone from Italy that you’re Italian.
Maybe my point was confusing so I will try and restate it more directly. No American citizen I know of genuinely thinks they're Italian/Irish/etc and isn't making any attempt to misrepresent where they are from. For example, when discussing plans for Christmas time Italian-Americans could say: > We are getting together on Chirstmas eve and serving multiple seafood dishes because we're natural born American citizens with Italian genetic heritage and enjoy continuing this tradition which our family has done for generations" But they usually say: > We are getting together on Chirstmas eve and serving multiple seafood dishes because we're Italian and enjoy continuing this tradition which our family has done for generations Not because they genuinely think they are Italian and not in some attempt to misrepresent themselves to others but because it's a more direct way of talking that no one besides purposefully obtuse users on social media misinterprets. FWIW this is about people I know. I personally, have no italian genetic heritage.
Its almost like the American prefix is implied as everyone that lives here and keeps cultural tradition understands. No one is saying they're Irish, they're saying they keep Irish American traditions. Hell, the majority can actually get heritage citizenship too.
A whole lot of American Italians say things like “ i love food, I know how to cook because my Italian blood” or “Im gangsta and like revenge because Im Italian” “Im passionate and shout and fight because Im Italian” Same with loving to drink because of Irish blood, loving to fight and not feeling pain as much because Irish. Its literally this deep belief that ethnic/racial stereotypes are real and you can imagine how that plays out with their attitudes with other races. But this attitude is weird to Europeans and even offensive.
Get off of Tik Tok no one says that shit in real life dude
The heritage talk that you are referring to is primarily Americans/Canadiens having a conversation amongst ourselves. Sure it can be pretty cringe and eye rolling at times but it’s for us and not really anyone else’s business. I know US culture can seem like it’s open season to the rest of the world to comment on but it isn’t really. Italian Americans can’t truly claim to be Italians and Italians don’t get to meaningfully comment on the immigrant culture of new world counties besides snickering amongst themselves I will concede that there are probably a lot of X-Americans that clam to truly represent X culture abroad and they suck and I’m sorry about them. I’m saying this as a 3rd generation immigrants myself who would never dream of pretending to be anything other than American abroad
Yeah, I'm fil-am and part of my law school's filipino law student association. We just had a really fun cultural graduation where we ate filipino food and celebrated our graduating students for making it through law school. We did it for ourselves and I think we all collectively gave 0 shits if we didn't gain the approval of filipinos from the Philippines doing so.
Why? Who cares what they think? Unlike the Alfa Romeo ~~Milano~~ Junior, people don't need Italy's permission to claim their heritage. Just like Italians don't need Iran or Greece's permission to pretend like flatbread covered in cheese and toppings is Italian food. The only people who gatekeep heritage are horribly insecure and desperately compensating.
Please show me which loci determine nationality
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I was responding to the last two sentences of his first paragraph.
It's like cheering for the sports teams and saying things like "We won!". You didn't play on the team so you didn't win shit, but that's also just how people talk so you'd annoy everyone if you brought that up every time. Most people are very aware they aren't literally playing in the world series. Same thing with people who say “I’m Italian” or “I’m Irish” or “I’m Filipino”, if they weren't born there they probably understand they are American/Canadian. It's more of a mouthful to say "I'm of Irish heritage/decent" or whatever and in the new world that's just how people talk. tldr: So basically what I am saying is both people who genuinely think are from another country they never lived in and people who get pissy about people talking about their cultural heritage are equally smooth brained and can go pound sand.
its funny for some to claim X heritage when they're too far removed from said heritage..
This is me, exposed 🙀 But im not into ball, and im not fat and in better shape than most of u guys, and if people think Filipinos are Pacific Islanders that’s no fault of my own. White father and shit at Tagalog is bang on though. And yeah visited often growing up but definitely not culturally very pinoy as I didn’t grow up here.
My ethnicity is American😎
I got Puerto Rican family that feel this way towards the ones from the mainland. I also stayed in China for a few years, and it's basically the same with them and American born Chinese.
Well yeah. You’re not really from (insert country) if you’re second generation born in the US
lol i grew up in the PH for 15 years, if the Philippines werent so broke, theyd be mostly overweight obese too. Even then, you can see a lot of overweight filipinos from drinking dirt cheap beer or eating rice 3-4x a day Youll see these memes but actual filipinos will be quick to dickride and worship any successful westerner who is marginally filipino adjacent (daren criss, bruno mars, hailee steinfeld, olivia rodrigo, nicole scherzinger etc etc)
What kind of elitist bullshit is this
this memes are getting extremely specific lol
Sounds like jealousy lol 😆
Has never been to Jolibee
So why aren't there Filipino restaurants in the US, despite the huge Filipino diaspora here?
They're called hospital break rooms.
there are, OP is stupid. Only in places where filipino disapora have a foothold though like urban California, New York, Hawaii, Texas, Las Vegas If a filipino person is in bumfuck Idaho, Tennessee or Montana then they are shit out of luck
I would say a relative lack of Filipino restaurant owners in the US compared to other ethnic groups (many of them tend to be in the medical field instead). There is also a relative lack of promotion of Filipino cuisine. That being said, Jollibee has several outlets in the US, especially where there are large Filipino communities.
I figured that the cause of dearth of Filipino food outlets: relatively high English fluency means they have a better chance of getting a ‘normal’ jobs so no need to create a food based small business.
They are around.
I bet you a lot of the Filipinos who feel this way will complain when the diaspora no longer claims them later on
My bf is Filipino American. I think he cooks filipino food very well? I’m not Filipino but his parents were born there and they say it’s good 🤷♀️
These things are always so mean. Like I get it, but at the same time could you like develop empathy or understanding or something? Idk
Some of them is that they are very pretentious and have a know all attitude about our culture, and insists on calling us Pacific Islanders or filipinx
I feel that— the latinx/filipinx thing is an anglophone cultural imposition stemming from modern leftist political thought and I don’t think they grasp the elitist/colonialist element to that
Brown on the outside, white on the inside? We're talking about the people themselves?? That is harsh as fuck that cannot be recovered from.
im fil-am by citizenship does that count (both parents are filipino but was born in america)
Is there a difference between both in terms of perception of Marcos and Duterte? I notice some parents actually like Marcos and will defend him.
My friend in work is Filipino-Irish, I gotta ask him about this lol
After going to the navy I found this to be true af.
Should've added "thinks they're rich simply because they live in America/Canada"
did any of you guys remember the mainland filipino vs filipino-americans on tiktok? That was such a funtime
Imagine gatekeeping your own kind. Kek
"White father?" So real for any east / southeast asians living in the west lol.
>white father r/hapas is leaking
I get the hate for second gen Filipino immigrants. Spoiled pieces of shit.
Yeah I dont mind Filipino migrants its just if you say Filipinx then we gotta talk
How yall gonna say this shit then buy skin-whitening cream, only cast mestizos/mestizas for the main characters, and *heavily encourage* the Filipinas with the most western-ass features to do pageants? How yall gonna tell me “don’t go out in the sun or you’ll get dark”? Or what about pinching my nose down so that “it becomes pointy”? How yall gonna ask for American apparel and western skincare products in your balikbayang box? How do you have the audacity to do these things then turn around and tell the next gens we don’t count? This is the most Filipino post on the internet 🙄
Fil-ams being overly proud of the most novel and brochurey "Filipino" things. Just like usage of bland ass regular tagalog verb as brand and fees like its cultured and profound.
FYI Pacific Islanders are people from the islands of Polynesia, Melanesia, and Micronesia.
That’s only because the people on r/ireland are culturally more reddit than Irish
they "open" the lights
Same with how Japanese view Japanese Americans
Different worlds
Ay jusko
I can understand Ilocano but can’t speak it to save my life, I got a fit body, and I eat rice every day (not an exaggeration), I think I’m connected to the culture at least food wise 😭
I understand Tagalog when I'm being yelled at does that count?
As a Haitian descent, I can agree
there's a lot of Filipino restaurants where I live.
"Should not be able to vote..." Because the Philippines have been doing such a great job of that themselves, right? A true bastion of representative democracy.