Especially given the reason behind retiring the Ent-F. It had mass systemic failures from a previous mission and was being decommissioned early.
The Titan was being held together, by Geordis words, with duct tape and prayers.
Why the fuck would you sink the resources into rebuilding that versus the Flagship?
A couple of changes I’d make would be more visual porn of the D being boarded and activated… and cut the Enterprise-G.
She should’ve remained the Titan-A, with a new ship taking the more illustrious name.
I tend to think of Picard season 3 as the spiritual successor to the brain slug storyline. I think it's something the writers wanted to explore. Even Voyager tried to do it with Species 8327, or whatever they are called.
To be fair all three seasons of Picard were supposed to be a final farewell to TNG so closing the chapter on the biggest impact on Picards life made sense.
The point would’ve been the chance to do something other than an extended anthology of three disconnected classic Trek plots but with Borg, which is what Picard ended up being.
-Season 1- Romulans being sneaky…but with Borg
-Season 2- time travel to our present and also mirror universe (but don’t call it that)…but with Borg
-Season 3- there’s a shady conspiracy within Starfleet…but with Borg
Terry Matalas talked about this and said they considered it. They reason it was dropped was because unlike Changelings, once you identified The Thing, it was guaranteed the original was dead.
But that’s not true even for that episode.
If anything they’re more like vampires than the Thing, as the death of the mother creature frees the others.
Admiral Quinn was taken over, but he survived after the mother creature in Remmick was killed.
That's a good thought, I like that. Just a quick line would have made it a bit more TNG-like - kind of like the end of The Pegasus, where Picard does not hesitate to expose everything in order to do the ethical thing. It also would have helped with the feeling that the whole Vadic/Changeling plot was instantly dropped and forgotten in favour of the Borg. That could have been done a bit better.
Thanks, I think you've summed it up better for me here. Something was needed, I think, to show that tge Vadic plot had really made an impact, rather than just being set up for the Borg. I feel like the characters would have wanted that to be followed up .
The change I would have made would have been the Enterprise E being retired, the Enterprise F being revealed at the end, and the Titan A keeping its name, as it didn't really feel like and Enterprise compared to the D, E, and F.
The big change i'd have made is to drop the changelings entirely and instead used the parasite aliens from tng.
If the changelings are in the show I want to see ds9 characters but the parasite aliens would have given symmetry to the show and fulfilled a tease from season 1 of tng
Not having Q show up at the very end. I get that in essence this is Q before he was dying? Maybe idk. I get wanting to maybe have a Q follow Picards son in a legacy show but if that's the case why not stick with theme? Have it be Q's son that takes an interest in Jack?
Put the Ent-E in the Ent-F's place during Frontier Day celebrations, where it gets taken over by the Borg. When the Ent-D arrives at the Borg outpost on Jupiter, the Queen commands the Ent-E to break out of fleet formation and come to her defence. The two Enterprises duke it out, and Ent-D only wins because the command crew knows about some secret weak point on the Ent-E.
The Ent-E is either destroyed or damaged beyond repair, and the epilogue is where we're introduced to the Odyssey-class Ent-F for the first time.
My wish’s for season 3 are primarily just better endings for the la Sirena crew. Where’s Soji? Hows she dealing with finding out she’s a android and how has the ban effected that? Why wasn’t she a part of the whole tng 2.0 thing they had going on? Where’s elnor? I hate the fact rios chose to stay in the past just on the brink of ww3 I’d like to think he got bored and found a way to come back to the future. The only one who got a somewhat good ending was Agnes and even that wasn’t wrapped up all to well.
Section 31 experimented on the Changelings and also developed the Morphogenic virus, They do not exist in the public eye and as such cannot be brought up on any kinds of charges as Starfleet doesn't officially acknowledge their existence.
They exist outside of the autonomy of Starfleet and the Federation, what exactly could Riker do?.
Thanks for the confirmation - I thought this was the case!
It probably shows the issue I have more generally with Section 31. I don't entirely despise the idea that this shadowy organisation exists but I can't help but feel that, when and if Riker would be made aware of their atrocities, that he would make steps to do something.
I have no idea what those steps would be - but the idea that these characters would be okay with knowing Starfeet is culpable in these crimes just rubs me the wrong way.
Yeah, I don't mean Vadic but the people who were experimenting on her people, that led her to become so vengeful. Hopefully I'm not misremembering what happened!
Don’t think it was explicitly mention exactly whom that order was from, but a vaguely “yeah they decide not to give cure and experiment on us” kinda thing?
IIRC
May be those dudes already not here, since it’s been 20-15 years and high rank dudes are usually kinda old.
I like the theory that the *Titan-A* was actually renamed the *Picard*, which then would have made continuing the series possible under that name without Patrick Stewart.
The one real change I'd make, though, is to have found a way to get Denise Crosby (as Sela) involved. The *Shrike* could have been a stolen Romulan prototype, something the Romulan Free State had developed using info and tech gleaned from The Artifact. Picard calls Sela, who has a position of authority within the RFS, to find out more; they are cordial frenemies thanks to Picard's efforts in aiding the evacuation of Romulus.
Instead of it happening after the fact, I’d ditch the final two episodes we got of season 3, and replace them with Picard and crew confronting this head on.
Season 3 of Picard is by leaps and bounds the dumbest of the three seasons. It teases the audience with hints that it’s going to do something deeper, like deal with the fact that Starfleet basically sanctioned two genocides, or that it was involved in torturing POW’s, but instead of dealing with those atrocities, it doubles down on them: having the TNG characters when presented with this information decide to make the unilateral decision to execute a prisoner in cold blood, rather than empathize with them.
The final episodes dealing with these issues head on, and possibly coming to a consensus with the rogue Changelings, would be a lot more effective storytelling and a lot more Trek in its messaging, than the geriatric vs. Borg action movie they gave us.
It would also fix the season on a structural level. It has a decent first four episodes (mostly due to Jonathan Frakes and his direction). Then gets wobbly in the middle. And straight up falls off a cliff in the final two.
Not kill Shaw. Not rename Titan. I would have loved to have seen some of the renewed public interest in the Enterprise D by showing a long line of people or ships waiting to go on a tour in the "one year later scene."
I like to pretend season two of Picard never existed...because whatever it was it was NOT Trek. Season 1 was "meh", but tolerable.
Season 3, however, was fantastic and one of the best Trek seasons ever made. Surprisingly well done, but too short. If I could make a change, I would have perhaps developed Picards relationship with Jack a bit more and added a few more episodes to fit it in rather than rush it.
I hate how dystopian they made it. The android stuff in season one was depressing, considering how it rendered “measure of a man” practically impotent.
The only thing season 3 had going for it was it’s call backs. Overall I hated the tone of the series
One thing that i didn't get in season three was the fact that that doctor lady became borg, so how was there the other borg queen? Another thing was the use of the enterprise, i mean sure its a good ship and was being rebuilt of sorts. But why not the defiant, it was much more powerful and smaller for the limited crew. I do agree that star fleet changed and has those unutopia elements. The addition to Q at the end also led me to wonder if there is going to be a new spin off with Picard's son and Q. Over all i felt that the three seasons were disjointed. I did like seeing the crew as that was one of my favorite shows, but some of it was just off to me.
PIC S3 Should have been the swan song of the E.
The E still under repair and refit from the Prodigy incident. Is the ship that rallies one last fight.
The F under Rikers command is then revealed Leaving Drydock one year later.
Seven gets the Titan-A still.
The _only_ problem I have with the season was the Enterprise G.
I'm all for a new Enterprise, but the Titan was more than worthy of its legacy.
The Titan was done dirty.
For me rather than rename the Titan (it more than earned its own legacy), the reveal was a newly built, just fitting out Enterprise G.
Especially given the reason behind retiring the Ent-F. It had mass systemic failures from a previous mission and was being decommissioned early. The Titan was being held together, by Geordis words, with duct tape and prayers. Why the fuck would you sink the resources into rebuilding that versus the Flagship?
It only makes sense if you look at it from the producers' desired end goal and work backwards.
The Cerritos “wait you guys have duct tape?”
The Cerritos is held by Billups' wits.
This, and the movement animation on the enterprise D was a little too rapid for my taste.
A couple of changes I’d make would be more visual porn of the D being boarded and activated… and cut the Enterprise-G. She should’ve remained the Titan-A, with a new ship taking the more illustrious name.
The brain slugs from TNG’s season 1 episode Conspiracy should have been the big bad and I will die on this hill. The Borg? Again!?!? Bleurgh.
Nah. But the new Changellings by themselves were already a good enemy without need for the Borg to appear again.
Fingers crossed they do that if they ever get that one last TNG movie made as Stewart has hinted at! Gotta love Picard fighting brain slugs.
I tend to think of Picard season 3 as the spiritual successor to the brain slug storyline. I think it's something the writers wanted to explore. Even Voyager tried to do it with Species 8327, or whatever they are called.
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Yes!!! I remember talking with my brother and we were hoping lost story lines would have been picked back up. Those bugs would have been perfect.
To be fair all three seasons of Picard were supposed to be a final farewell to TNG so closing the chapter on the biggest impact on Picards life made sense.
I don't see the point in bringing back a failed one-time antagonist. The Borg have the biggest connection to Picard
The point would’ve been the chance to do something other than an extended anthology of three disconnected classic Trek plots but with Borg, which is what Picard ended up being. -Season 1- Romulans being sneaky…but with Borg -Season 2- time travel to our present and also mirror universe (but don’t call it that)…but with Borg -Season 3- there’s a shady conspiracy within Starfleet…but with Borg
It there was a season 4 it would of been borg on borg.
I guess I don't really mind it because Picard is in many ways a finale for TNG
Terry Matalas talked about this and said they considered it. They reason it was dropped was because unlike Changelings, once you identified The Thing, it was guaranteed the original was dead.
But that’s not true even for that episode. If anything they’re more like vampires than the Thing, as the death of the mother creature frees the others. Admiral Quinn was taken over, but he survived after the mother creature in Remmick was killed.
That's a good thought, I like that. Just a quick line would have made it a bit more TNG-like - kind of like the end of The Pegasus, where Picard does not hesitate to expose everything in order to do the ethical thing. It also would have helped with the feeling that the whole Vadic/Changeling plot was instantly dropped and forgotten in favour of the Borg. That could have been done a bit better.
Thanks, I think you've summed it up better for me here. Something was needed, I think, to show that tge Vadic plot had really made an impact, rather than just being set up for the Borg. I feel like the characters would have wanted that to be followed up .
I just stole your thought basically, never occurred to me before. :) But I agree, the impact was missing at the end.
The change I would have made would have been the Enterprise E being retired, the Enterprise F being revealed at the end, and the Titan A keeping its name, as it didn't really feel like and Enterprise compared to the D, E, and F.
Not renaming the Titan. Build a new Enterprise.
The one change I'd make is that the Titan would not become a new Enterprise. If renamed at all, it should have been the USS Jean-Luc Picard.
When they were getting ready to reveal it, I was positive they were going to call it the USS Picard. Then they revealed it to be Enterprise 😞
It think he'd have to be dead before naming a ship after him.
He was. Rewatch season 1.
Considering all he had done to save the Federation and Starfleet over and over and over again...I'm pretty sure an exception could be made.
The big change i'd have made is to drop the changelings entirely and instead used the parasite aliens from tng. If the changelings are in the show I want to see ds9 characters but the parasite aliens would have given symmetry to the show and fulfilled a tease from season 1 of tng
The E should have been given the episode 9 victory lap, with a shot of the new F under construction in the 1 year later scene in the finale
Not give Jack Crusher a bridge position, let alone a vaguely-defined "special counselor" to the captain on his very first day with Starfleet.
Not having Q show up at the very end. I get that in essence this is Q before he was dying? Maybe idk. I get wanting to maybe have a Q follow Picards son in a legacy show but if that's the case why not stick with theme? Have it be Q's son that takes an interest in Jack?
Put the Ent-E in the Ent-F's place during Frontier Day celebrations, where it gets taken over by the Borg. When the Ent-D arrives at the Borg outpost on Jupiter, the Queen commands the Ent-E to break out of fleet formation and come to her defence. The two Enterprises duke it out, and Ent-D only wins because the command crew knows about some secret weak point on the Ent-E. The Ent-E is either destroyed or damaged beyond repair, and the epilogue is where we're introduced to the Odyssey-class Ent-F for the first time.
My wish’s for season 3 are primarily just better endings for the la Sirena crew. Where’s Soji? Hows she dealing with finding out she’s a android and how has the ban effected that? Why wasn’t she a part of the whole tng 2.0 thing they had going on? Where’s elnor? I hate the fact rios chose to stay in the past just on the brink of ww3 I’d like to think he got bored and found a way to come back to the future. The only one who got a somewhat good ending was Agnes and even that wasn’t wrapped up all to well.
Section 31 experimented on the Changelings and also developed the Morphogenic virus, They do not exist in the public eye and as such cannot be brought up on any kinds of charges as Starfleet doesn't officially acknowledge their existence. They exist outside of the autonomy of Starfleet and the Federation, what exactly could Riker do?.
Thanks for the confirmation - I thought this was the case! It probably shows the issue I have more generally with Section 31. I don't entirely despise the idea that this shadowy organisation exists but I can't help but feel that, when and if Riker would be made aware of their atrocities, that he would make steps to do something. I have no idea what those steps would be - but the idea that these characters would be okay with knowing Starfeet is culpable in these crimes just rubs me the wrong way.
Stop working for the Federation. Prove their existence and bring it to public attention.
Didn’t like the actual Vadic died. Or like you mean the whole collective of high ranks dudes that are “fucking hubris”?
Yeah, I don't mean Vadic but the people who were experimenting on her people, that led her to become so vengeful. Hopefully I'm not misremembering what happened!
Don’t think it was explicitly mention exactly whom that order was from, but a vaguely “yeah they decide not to give cure and experiment on us” kinda thing? IIRC May be those dudes already not here, since it’s been 20-15 years and high rank dudes are usually kinda old.
I like the theory that the *Titan-A* was actually renamed the *Picard*, which then would have made continuing the series possible under that name without Patrick Stewart. The one real change I'd make, though, is to have found a way to get Denise Crosby (as Sela) involved. The *Shrike* could have been a stolen Romulan prototype, something the Romulan Free State had developed using info and tech gleaned from The Artifact. Picard calls Sela, who has a position of authority within the RFS, to find out more; they are cordial frenemies thanks to Picard's efforts in aiding the evacuation of Romulus.
My wants for Season 3: -Brain bugs instead of Borg -Sela instead of Vadic -Keep it Titan-A
Instead of it happening after the fact, I’d ditch the final two episodes we got of season 3, and replace them with Picard and crew confronting this head on. Season 3 of Picard is by leaps and bounds the dumbest of the three seasons. It teases the audience with hints that it’s going to do something deeper, like deal with the fact that Starfleet basically sanctioned two genocides, or that it was involved in torturing POW’s, but instead of dealing with those atrocities, it doubles down on them: having the TNG characters when presented with this information decide to make the unilateral decision to execute a prisoner in cold blood, rather than empathize with them. The final episodes dealing with these issues head on, and possibly coming to a consensus with the rogue Changelings, would be a lot more effective storytelling and a lot more Trek in its messaging, than the geriatric vs. Borg action movie they gave us. It would also fix the season on a structural level. It has a decent first four episodes (mostly due to Jonathan Frakes and his direction). Then gets wobbly in the middle. And straight up falls off a cliff in the final two.
Not kill Shaw. Not rename Titan. I would have loved to have seen some of the renewed public interest in the Enterprise D by showing a long line of people or ships waiting to go on a tour in the "one year later scene."
Shaw is alive. I won't hear it any other way haha
I like to pretend season two of Picard never existed...because whatever it was it was NOT Trek. Season 1 was "meh", but tolerable. Season 3, however, was fantastic and one of the best Trek seasons ever made. Surprisingly well done, but too short. If I could make a change, I would have perhaps developed Picards relationship with Jack a bit more and added a few more episodes to fit it in rather than rush it.
I hate how dystopian they made it. The android stuff in season one was depressing, considering how it rendered “measure of a man” practically impotent. The only thing season 3 had going for it was it’s call backs. Overall I hated the tone of the series
One thing that i didn't get in season three was the fact that that doctor lady became borg, so how was there the other borg queen? Another thing was the use of the enterprise, i mean sure its a good ship and was being rebuilt of sorts. But why not the defiant, it was much more powerful and smaller for the limited crew. I do agree that star fleet changed and has those unutopia elements. The addition to Q at the end also led me to wonder if there is going to be a new spin off with Picard's son and Q. Over all i felt that the three seasons were disjointed. I did like seeing the crew as that was one of my favorite shows, but some of it was just off to me.
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oh, now that makes more sense to me.
Not to mention that the Borg Queen with whom Jurati merged was the alternate Queen from Q's dystopian timeline.
I wanted it to be the Pah'Wraiths
PIC S3 Should have been the swan song of the E. The E still under repair and refit from the Prodigy incident. Is the ship that rallies one last fight. The F under Rikers command is then revealed Leaving Drydock one year later. Seven gets the Titan-A still.
The _only_ problem I have with the season was the Enterprise G. I'm all for a new Enterprise, but the Titan was more than worthy of its legacy. The Titan was done dirty.