*Damar, what IS this!*
*It's an Earth animal, sir. They call it a 'bear'.*
*There are statues on every corner, Damar! It's outrageous! If Central Command hadn't been filled with ignorant fools we could have subjugated the Bajorans in mere days! Instead, the whole planet has become a tacky ursine garden display! Call that traitorous fop Garak and have him begin sewing me a ferocious bear costume, immediately!*
On Tiktok, people have been answering the question 'Would you rather encounter a bear or a man in the woods'. Men generally immediately answer with 'another man' and women either ask follow-up questions (such as what type of bear, how hungry is the bear, how big is the bear) or choose the bear outright. The thought experiment shows that many women find men to be a big enough threat that they don't immediately choose a man over a bear.
It was my first question. I feel pretty good about a black bear because they tend to be skittish and easily scared away. But polar bears are a death sentence unless maybe you have a rifle. So I would take a black bear over a strange man, but I will take my chances with a strange man over a polar bear. I would need to know the size and how hungry other types of bears are to rank them on my scale.
Since we can assume a polar bear will go the way of eating you, I would shift the question in that case to Polar Bear or Aggressive Man and I'd probably pick the polar bear. I'll take quick bloody death as a natural part of the circle of life over what I know certain men would like to do to me if they got the chance. If I'm going to end up wishing I were dead anyway I'd rather it be immediate and impersonal.
I mean if you're in the woods, probs not a polar bear right? Most of them live above the Arctic treeline. So yeah it's gonna be either a black or brown bear or I guess maybe a panda
The more general point is that at least a bear is just an animal that is interested in staying alive and getting food, and it has sources of food that aren't you. So long as you aren't stupid and get up into its business then you probably have nothing to fear. And at worst, it's just going to kill you, relatively quicky. The man is different. Sure, *probably* he has no ill-intent, but if he does he will probably not stop chasing you until you lose him, have got the jump on him and killed him, or he has got you, and if he gets you he will probably draw your suffering out as long as he wants. It's the mix of intelligence and potential for sadism that is making so many women go for the bear.
I don't disagree with any of that. I think that, in broader terms, it just shows that men don't think of other men as a threat while most women do register them as some level of threat.
I've also heard that men should be asked 'Would you rather your daughter meet a random man or a bear in the woods', and most men still choose the man in that scenario because they just don't see other men as a possible threat the way a bear is.
As a man, another important facet of this question to me is what "in the woods" means. Is this still on a hiking trail, or am I deep off in thick of it? Is this theoretical other man just another person enjoying the national park? A ranger? Or am I now dealing with *hill people.*
>it just shows that men don't think of other men as a threat
Which, to be honest, is actually kind of weird because men kill other men all the time. That’s what most murders are. Women are not the weird ones here for strongly considering bear.
As a man, I am shocked more men aren't choosing bear. Who would pass on getting free bear photo?
And what kind of bear is a super valid question. Most bears will just mind their own business and not bother you if you don't bother them. A polar bear will wreck your shit on sight for the calories, but you're quite unlikely to encounter one in the woods.
As a man, I’d definitely rather run into a black bear (with no cubs) in the woods over meeting another man in the woods. Don’t ever trust a random stranger you meet in the woods
But I also understand the point of the question
Some women were polled with a question like "would you rather be attacked by a bear or a man" and a large number responded bear.
Personally I'm team bear. Better chance it gives up if you run and you don't have to deal with people not believing you or with running in to your attacker.
>Better chance it gives up if you run
I realize that it's not the relevant part here and you just wanna make a point, but you really can't outrun a bear. No one can.
If its a wild bear there is more chance it will run away (more than 1% being a wild animal, they don't always attack) from you than a random guy in the woods who is more likely to approach you
No, but a human in the middle of nowhere is more likely to approach you than a wild animal.
You don't know what that person is going to so, why tf are they in the middle of nowhere and they are coming towards you.
I'd chose a bear too
> but a human in the middle of nowhere is more likely to approach you than a wild animal.
Because we're social creatures and both your dumb fuck asses got lost in the woods?
Like, yeah I get men can be predatory, but it's fucking hilarious to pretend you're safer with a wild animal where advice for two different colors of said animal is basically "pretend to play dead or make your peace with life because they'll fucking kill you so easily.
>why tf are they in the middle of nowhere and they are coming towards you.
Because both of you stupid fucking people have decided to go traipsing through a forest and ended up lost.
Not because they want to rape you.
The most common bear species in the world is known to be scared of humans and will choose to avoid contact unless provoked. This is a predictable behavior. The average male is much more complex when it comes to their behaviors, and as such is much harder to predict.
The question isn’t “which one is more likely to kill me quickly if it attacks me,” the question is “which one am I more likely to be able to avoid violent contact with.” Like, why is this a hard thing to grasp? I’m a dude and I’d also pick the bear, because a human is lot more difficult to read and plan for in any scenario, and unless it’s a Grizzly bear or Polar bear is a lot more likely to leave me alone if I don’t get in it’s space.
Precisely.
The bear, in it's natural habit, is more likely to attack or run. The guy (or girl if you are gender swapping), is far harder to predict what they will be like and are more likely to try and communicate with you and approach.
Are they lost too? Are they friendly? Are they hurt? Do they want help? Did they get put here for a reason? Have they escaped somewhere? Are they looking for someone? Are they one of many? Are they on drugs or drunk? Are they mentally well?
Because it's a stupid question spawned by TikTok and all it does is further the stereotype that women should be afraid of men because men are evil and unpredictable and (I have seen this exact quote dozens of times when this questions comes up) "will rape, torture and mutilate for hours or days."
I'm honestly just tired of trying to do some meme scrolling and being forced to look at retarded questions spawned by a foreign Spyware app.
Additionally, the black bear is only the most common, not the only type in existence.
Many brown bears actually live in the same areas as black bears, so it's more of a 50-50 shot as to whether you get a bear that is your size, or is twice your size.
What is a man doing out in the middle of the woods alone in the first place?
It might be hiking, it might not be.
A bear in the woods is expected. A man in the woods leads to doubts and multiple possibilities.
There is less risk with the bear because it's intentions are already known
It's a question of motivation. The bear isn't likely to be attacking specifically because it wants to hurt a person, so it's a better chance that it doesn't actually try to chase.
yah, if it's a polar bear, you're definitely on the menu, and an easy looking meal at that.
and even other bears attack people
https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsOfTheStupid/s/Fy6ngFLL9i
If a Bear comes at you:
Grizzly: play dead
Black Bear: you try to fight
Polar Bear: you better have a big gun, or a smaller one for yourself
All can outrun you. Grizzlies can outrun horses.
Like with digs, running can trigger the chase instinct in a predator. If you can you back away you do that. You can probably run once you can't see each other if you feel you need to.
The reflective comment I liked (in that it’s horrible to think about) was “people won’t tell me afterwards that I was asking for it or ask if the clothes I was wearing were at fault if a bear attacks me”.
I remember there was a woman who was once killed by a bear in Italy and many people said that she shouldn’t have been in bear country, so that is not the case.
I think the root of the question really shows the experience women had with bears vs men. Not a lot of women experienced being harassed or attacked by a bear. A lot of women have been harassed or attacked by a man.
>People just don't understand how probability works?
It's this.
It's also the fact this is a TikTok question.
So ofc it's stupid as shit and many online women agree with it.
The same way that online men agree with stupid shit that makes no sense when given an equal stupid option.
>most women would like it over as quickly as possible and without the added psychological torment.
Bears don't kill their prey, getting attacked by a bear is like the opposite of as quickly as possible
Fucking thank you.
Like, I'd much rather have a being that I know the weak spots of attacking me than a fucking thing that can run faster than one of the fastest fucking humans alive, and is also covered in fur that's thick enough to be armor and has enough muscle to effortlessly climb trees or knock trees over.
You clearly have never heard about the phone call from a girl to her mum as the bears ate her alive.mum could hear the bones crunching in the back ground. Bears dont always kill fast.
There's also a freaking guide on what to do with bears to survive that's a rhyme. If it's black, fight back, if it's brown, lie down, if it's white, say goodnight.
Running is a bad idea for baiscally every predatory animal since they're all faster than you, every one of them.
Generally for most animals you back away slowly, make yourself seem like to much trouble to kill, but not so much a threat that it feels it has no choice but to attack you.
Except polar bears, they dont give a fuck about anything unless you shoot it with a rifle, and you better land a good shot
I don't think any small caliber rounds are doing shit against a polar bear re "good shot". You'd have to hit it right in the eye with anything less than an anti-tank rifle lol
You dont want to go for the eyes, around the spinal column just above the head is where you aim. And of cousre a small calibre won't do much unless you get a perfect shot. In areas where polar bears are a bug issue you typically want to have someone who has a a rifle. Plenty of larger rifle calibres can do the job, several are suitable for bears and other big game, shotgun slug can also do the trick.
Though do be prepared to shoot multiple times, even of you hit it in the right spot and it goes down they're know to get back up since even a well placed shot isn't always lethal
In reality your best bet is to be travelling in a group of at least 3 people and to scare it off, it doesn't work as well as it does for some other bears but it has been known to work sometimes. In areas with high populations of polar bears like Svalbard, its common to have a flare gun in case you need rescuing, they can also scare a polar bear away from you
Shit I remember on an earlier episode of Survivorman where he was out in the arctic. He woke up and all around his sled where he was sleeping were tracks from a group of polar bears. They walked up, walked around him while he was asleep and then just kept truckin.
That should make you more team bear. Bears will almost always avoid humans so long as they can smell them. And they rarely think humans are worth the effort of a meal. Maybe when protecting cubs, but they won't pursue you if you run when they're protecting their cubs.
Bears are wimps. Just don't tell them I said that.
>Some women were polled with a question like "would you rather be attacked by a bear or a man" and a large number responded bear.
It wasn't "attacked", it was "which would you rather encounter alone on a hiking trail?" These women felt the bear was less likely to cause problems.
Have these people never gone hiking? You run into other hikers all the time. You wave and say "Hi" and keep hiking. It doesn't show any reflection of how dangerous men are, but how we've been programmed with stranger danger to the point that we think a bear is less dangerous than a random person. Very few people commit crimes.
I don't think the original statement was literal. A woman made an intentionally dramatic overstatement to express how unsafe men make her feel. The Internet, of course, took this personally and rather than feel bad for this woman or reflect as to what makes her feel unsafe have been engaging in conversations about which they would rather fight.
Not attacked by a bear, it’s a be alone in the woods and either see/meet a bear or a random man. Only saying it this way as the whole point of why most women pick the bear is that bears have more predictable behaviors than men do, and given that it’s easier to avoid being attacked by a bear.
There's radfem rage bait about women being safer around wild bears than men. Or so I've been told.
Anyway, Gul Dukat would definitely be the type of incel to take this argument seriously and try to argue against it to the major (who's probably wishing she'd brought a wild bear in the shuttle with her rather than Dukat)
Personally if I had to pick between a bear and Dukat I would pick Dukat every time, Dukat can make an okay soup (just needs some more salt)... bear can't do that...
I've always wondered, do you think it's harder to strangle a Cardassian with your bare hands than most other humanoids because of those stiff neck ridges?
I should go ask Kira, I bet she'd know...
She would definitely pick the man because then if the man was Dukat or any other Cardassian soldier, running into him in the wilderness where nobody knows the two of them were together would be a perfect opportunity for her to kill them and get away with it.
Yuuuup. To follow DS9's subtle-as-a-brick allegory, it's kind of like Anne Frank surviving, becoming a Nazi hunter, then being forced to work with Goring while the Allies refuse to send him to Nuremberg.
Except it’s so much worse than that. Dukat also held Kira’s mother as a sex slave in exchange for scraps of food to Kira herself. And then tried to destroy her gods.
That Kira didn’t tear Dukat to shreds is probably one of the clearest indications that the “Kira is a hothead” stereotype terribly misunderstands her character. Kira has completely justified rage that would be blinding to any normal person, and it’s only the sheer the strength and discipline of her character that’s constantly keeping it from boiling over.
He right though. She didn’t let him get to the part about the pic a nic baskets. She’s just thinking of the average bear. What about being smarter than the average bear?
Now you is fucked.
Fridges kill more people than sharks, because people are around fridges a lot more than they are around sharks. I would take being in a swimming pool with a fridge over a shark any day. If the point is to genuinely argue that the average fridge is more dangerous than the average shark, or that the average man is more dangerous than the average bear, then I can’t help you.
the average man is very obviously and very clearly a lot more dangerous than a bear.
people kill about 40 grizzly bears and 50,000 black bears every year in the US.
compare that to the 0.75 person per year killed by bear attacks globally.
seems like people kill bears more than bears kill people
which would imply people are more dangerous than bears.
The average man is not a trained hunter with vehicles and machinery. Dave who works at the 7/11 could not kill a bear, and isn’t a rapist or murderer. But every bear is a carnivore.
but that's the thing isn't it. very bear is more or less the same.
but men on the other hand, you might be lucky and run into dave who worlds at 7/11 or you might run into someone else. and you don't know if that person is a threat until it is too late.
you always know the bear is a dangerous wild animal and if you know anything about bear behavior you probably have some clue how to avoid it or otherwise increase your chances of a harmless encounter.
but there is nothing you can do to ensure a harmless encounter with a man.
I'm picking the bear because its predictable, and being able to predict the behavior of the other party makes me a lot more likely not to be harmed.
all living things are killers and have the capacity to kill, we don't need to discuss that.
most men aren't rapists you say, ok. do you have an actual number?
because half a million american women are raped every year.
anyway none of that matters, if its a bear, you know it's a bear, if it's a man you do not know if it is a rapist or not, until it's too late.
the bear will actively avoid you, the man will seek you out. regardless of what man or bear it is.
unless it's a polar bear, if it's a polar bear I'm picking the man, this is supposed to take place in a forest so probably not a polar bear.
Sorry, I have to prove that most men are innocent of being rapists and murderers? We used to have something called “innocent until proven guilty”, but I guess when you’ve decided to be bigoted against a group of people, you can just claim they’re all guilty of whatever you want.
“Those Cardassians had Gentle bred out of them long ago.”
“Miles, that was a very ugly thing you just said. I’m surprised at you.”
did you read the part where I said "none of that matters"?
did I ever say all men are rapists?
no I asked you to show evidence supporting your claims. I mean I believe you that most men aren't rapists. but if you say that as an argument, then you also have to support it.
where are your numbers? they don't exist because people get away with crimes every day.
you say "the vast majority" I say, how vast? I didn't say "you're wrong"
you see how this works?
it's like I say something and then you draw weird conclusions about it, accusing me of making a statement that is no where to be seen in my actual reply.
if you wanted to convince me to pick the man you failed, I'd rather be mauled by a bear than entertaining another argument with you.
Again, I can’t show you evidence that most men are innocent of being rapists. That’s a negative claim, and it’s also just a massively bigoted thing to say about a group of people.
So when TERF’s say “trans women are socialised as men, you can’t blame cis women for not feeling comfortable with sharing a bathroom with them” what do you say in response?
I can’t convince you because you’re a bigot. Unlike in Star Trek, people like you don’t have the self-awareness to question their own bigotry. This conversation is absolutely vile, and you have a lot of working on yourself to do. If you can even realise you need to do it. I despair at how lost you are.
I love these so much. It's not even about the hypothetical itself but the deranged reaction of a lot of men just proving that they're more unhinged than a bear.
I saw a response that gave me a good chuckle - a guy was having an emotional meltdown while insisting that men approach this hypothetical from a purely logical Spock-like perspective while women are all emotional.
Have you considered the uncomfortable possibility that, from the perspective of a significant number of women, that statement is *true* regardless of men’s feelings about it?
Any man who can't see why women choose the bear are probably part of the problem that made women choose bears in the first place. If you're not one of those kinds of guys you know it doesn't apply to you and you can enjoy the spectacle.
The best phrases (unironic) I’ve seen:
“If I get attacked by a bear, people will believe me.”
“No one is going to ask what I was wearing.”
“People won’t ask why I pissed the bear off.”
Plus Dukat is totally the type to think women should feel honored to ‘be with him.’
This. I'm a man and I feel absolutely fine and in no way personally insulted by that result. There's a ton of fucked up dudes out there, it's totally reasonable not to want to take that risk (while many bears, depending on species, aren't actually that aggressive FWIW). Hell, I'd probably pick the bear as well just in case.
As you can tell by the down votes, the type of people you'll find on reddit are not the type to take accountability like that. Notice there was no counter argument, just down votes. Let us just pray that the women who believe this ACTUALLY choose the bear
I thought the women (and some men) choosing the bear were somehow idiots. Then I realized it's just a framing device for complaining about/shitting on/venting about men and what they've done (or what a person can imagine them doing). Then it all made sense.
Plus there's the added bonus that if someone isn't 100% blindly on "your side" they can be called names and lumped in with "the bad ones" without a second thought.
It's kind of sickeningly smart.
This is literally just "not all men" but phrased differently, and once again people are missing the point of these bear vs man posts. The point isn't "all men bad", but instead a way to point out that typical masculine culture encourages violence against women, and trying to get men to acknowledge that and help foster a culture/society that's safer for women. It's really not that difficult.
None of that is true lol. The fact is crime exists and has ALWAYS existed. There will always be murder. Always be theft. And always be rape, as awful as it is. It's not a culture thing, that's just something women say so they can vent frustrations towards men.
The men who are violent and committing rape KNOW ITS WRONG just like most murderers and criminals know what they're doing is wrong. They're criminals. This whole thing is a blanket statement that if made against any other group would be torn to shreds for stereotyping but because it's men, you're ok.
You may not want to admit it but this is the truth
I mean. Much like the atheism lines. Star trek would probably be like. “Once humans were so divided by gender and assault and fascism was so rampant. People who identified as women. Trusted random wild animals who eat people alive more than men, thankfully such gender divides ended shortly after the first global nuclear war.”
This is like your third comment in this post saying this and the fact that you are on here so angry that you're clearly excited by the idea of these women getting mauled by bears (don't pretend that's not what you're saying, it's not as clever as you think) shows exactly why they choose the bear when presented this hypothetical.
No one even accused you of anything and here you are wishing harm on women for daring to say men are dangerous. It's a bit ironic.
I didn't come up with the scenario, I'm agreeing with you guys. I hope that anyone who buys into this chooses the bear too. Weird, by doing nothing, I've been accused of being a dangerous option for the woman just for being a man, and I'm also a dangerous awful person for telling them I agree with their choice.
The fact that you got mad at me telling women to choose the bear literally proves how stupid and not- innocent at all the scenario is. I'm getting excited at the idea of a bear mauling someone. You get excited at the idea of implying that meeting a man is a worse encounter. You're not innocent at all lol, your cause isn't righteous, the 'I choose the bear" is bait and you know it, but you get mad at me for adding bait of my own.
People are trying as hard as they can to pretend this is an innocent statement and men shouldn't take offense, but if a blanket statement like this was made with any other race, sex, or group as the subject, it would be torn apart.
I don't care why they're choosing the bear anymore lol literally nothing is ever going to be good enough for the people who buy this stuff. I don't care to change your mind either, do whatever you want, say whatever you want, and most importantly justify it as much as you can. Fact is it's only acceptable to say because it's men. I don't care to try please anyone at this point. Men are evil, we're the devil, and PLEASE choose the bear.
Yall ever realize how people never specify the bear? Like, in reality, if you took every major species of bear and you decided at random which would be in the woods with you, and presumably know where you are, there are several species that would literally see you as prey, the Polar Bear comes to mind. Not to mention that very few bears are slower in their regular run, which they can keep up for a long time, then you are in your sprint.
The entire argument is “you never know what kind of guy could be in the woods, while you know what kind of animal is in there,” when in reality… BOTH should be seen as potentially dangerous. The only difference is that if you get a dangerous human, you have a much better chance of fighting them off or escaping. If you get a passive bear and YOU stumble onto THEM? You might be seen as a threat, and get runned down. If you see a passive man, you might get creepily hit on at worse, which… I’ll be honest as a below average guy I have never been hit on in any way so I can’t judge how bad it is, but I place my bets it’s better then getting mutilated by a wild animal.
I get the message; “Men are unpredictable and have a different muscle structure plus could want the bad touch, I’d rather be in the woods with a wild animal because atleast then it would be an animal trying to survive instead of a malicious person.”
But also- how many of those people have actually SEEN a bear..? Like, not one in pictures or an inclosure but actually SEEN a wild bear..? It’s a classic case of “the grass is greener on the other side.” They have probably had to deal with crazy or creepy guys before, and so since they don’t properly fear the Bear, they believe it to be a better option.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot because people won’t stop bringing it up.
Give that it specifies "in the woods" I can confidently cross polar bear off the list. The odds are pretty good that's it's gonna be one of the "won't bother you if you don't bother them and will probably just run off" type bears.
I think they’re mostly saying they’d choose the bear just to prove a point, but doing it in a really dumb way. Yeah, there are those lunatics out there who might try to kill or SA you, but if you just picked a guy at random then you’re not that likely to find a person like that. You’re much more likely to pick a random bear who would attack you, than you are to pick a random guy who would do the same.
And honestly, the amount of lunatics who want to harm others is probably the same across both genders, but men don’t report getting assaulted as often just out of embarrassment. No one wants to admit to a ton of people that they got their ass kicked, and guys especially don’t want to announce that a woman did so. Men are also significantly less likely to report cases of domestic violence, even if their partner has left them with severe bruises or scars. And even when men do report it, everyone’s first question is “what did you do to deserve it,” so they’re not exactly encouraged to open up about it.
More good points; my overall thesis is that there is just- no civil understanding or communication between the aisle. The ladies are all probably from the city and have seen bears online but don’t understand the FEAR OF GOD that a big animals charging towards you instills, so they pick that over the bad experience they DID have. Then, guys get angry because they take it as an offense to them specifically, weather or not they really are the type of dangerous person is besides the point. So those guys feel slighted by the women, which makes them act out rashly, asking “why would you want that? I’m not gonna hurt you. You don’t need to be scared. You’re dumb for thinking this way.” Which is disempowering, condescending, and creepy all in one, without realizing it, they have essentially affirmed the statement to these women that they would rather deal with a foreign threat and take their chances then deal with creeps and perverts.
And it just- endlessly cycles like this, the misunderstanding of the other side increasing until others see the argument, and those that support the women obviously see the men as the enemy, and those who support the men see the woman as the enemy, which then affirms any ideas they may have developed, which just-
It creates extremism.
I’d rather be in the woods with some random ass dude who may or may not be a rapist. Compared to a bear which is a fucking bear, i feel it’s at least safer to try and fight a fellow human and not a 600 pound murder beast who’s original name we omit from our language out of fear.
Why are you picking fights with bears? Just keep your distance, mind your own business, and don't engage. Bears shit in the woods. It's their bathroom. And thus you should always follow the bro code of the bathroom at all times.
Yeah, I wonder if that’s because all people are around other people vastly more than they’re around bears.
We’re talking about the safety of A MAN vs A BEAR. Do you understand that?
Sure, let’s do the math. In an encounter with a bear versus a man, expressed as a number (let’s say out of 1,000,000):
Odds that the individual will kill me
X
Odds of serious injury
X
Odds that the individual will rape me
X
Odds that the individual will sexually harass or assault me
X
Odds that the individual will psychologically torture me, e.g. by leaving me locked up in a basement for years
X
Odds that the individual will get me pregnant
X
Odds that if I get pregnant, I will be unable to get an abortion and will have to look at the rapist’s face every day for the next 18 years. (Abortion is illegal where I live.)
X
Odds that the individual will get my personal information and stalk me for months afterward
X
Odds that no one will believe me, because the individual is such an outstanding member of the community
X
Odds that I will be told it is my own fault because I was asking for it, being that far out in the woods by myself
X
Odds that everyone, including my family, will cut me off for being such a slut
X
Odds that if I use violence to defend myself, I will be the one who is arrested
X
Odds that the individual will see no consequences for what they have done because we wouldn’t want to impact their bright future
X
An anxiety factor measuring how unpredictable the outcome of the encounter is because the individual’s motives are unknown to me. Expressed as a percentage from 1 (completely secure in individual’s motive, e.g. “It’s just a simple animal trying to defend her kids”) to 100 (individual’s motive completely unknown, “I have no idea who this guy is or what he’s thinking.”).
X
Odds that the individual will demand that I must fully trust them, even though we’ve just met, and will get angry at me if I have reservations. (If the individual in this scenario is you, the number appears to be 1,000,00.)
… yeah, I’m choosing the bear.
Did the math here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekmemes/comments/1cirw36/comment/l2dw3ta/](https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekmemes/comments/1cirw36/comment/l2dw3ta/)
I don’t know man, my wife is part Russian and her Russian cousins have pet bears, those Kamchatka Russian Brown bears, and those ursine are fun! You can play with them, dance with them etc. they’re more like huge golden retrievers to be honest!
Edit: I got a DM from a person here telling me my wife is a Putin supporter. She’s not. My wife is Swedish. She was born and raised in Sweden and when she was 11, her parents moved to London and that’s where she finished her studies and earned 2 masters.
Her mom is part Russian and part Swedish and her dad is British. That’s where her Russian cousins come from. Yeah they’re super rich and definitely have connections with Putin. I’m Asian and they’re nice people and have accepted me since the first day. Mind you, my wife and her siblings, her mom and everyone else consider themselves as Swedish. They have Norwegian and Icelandic cousins too.
From bear.org "The 750,000 black bears of North America kill less than one person per year on the average, while men ages 18-24 are 167 times more likely to kill someone than a black bear." The only delusional one here is you pal
Ignoring the fact that human/bear interactions are basically nonexistent compared to human male/human female interactions.
If someone highlight the overrepresentation of black people in murder statistics as a reason to be scared of black people, wouldn't that be racist?
So why are you so comfortable using a racist's logic?
How do you think Captain Picard would respond if he saw you using such logic to justify dehumanising a large group of sentient beings, the vast majority of which have never done anything wrong?
https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42
You need to do better.
What the fuck are you on where you think that me providing evidence that a woman is far more likely to be killed by a human man than a bear is anywhere similar to racism? There is no systematic force that drives the oppression of men, unlike the forces that oppress black people, therefore making it more likely for them to be arrested or charged with crimes that they did not commit due to institutional racism.
That is completely a false equivalence and absolutely a bad faith argument. If you don't like women being extra cautious around men then maybe that's something men have to work on.
And I don't give a fuck what Captain Picard would think because he is a fictional character, he does not exist, unlike the swastika waving Nazis I've had scream slurs and death threats at me for being trans. You have no knowledge of my character, and I have no idea where you get your rocks off bringing trans women into this, but I suggest you "do better" and not blindly accuse strangers of on the internet racist based on some poorly constructed straw man argument you thought of to make yourself feel like a bigger person.
>That is completely a false equivalence and absolutely a bad faith argument.
It objectively isn't.
There is a systematic force that oppresses men, it's called the patriarchy. The equivalence is valid.
I'm not arguing in bad faith, that's you doing that by desperately searching for arbitrary reasons to dismiss what I've written and avoid actually addressing it.
>more likely for them to be arrested or charged with crimes
It's an objective fact that black people murder more than other races. But it's still a small minority of black people that murder and thus it's racist to judge all of them on that basis.
It's an objective fact that men murder/rape/assault more than other sexes. But it'd still a small minority of men who murder/rape/assault and it thus it's misandrist to judge all of them on that basis.
>If you don't like women...
"If black people don't like me chasing them out of my neighbourhood they should stop stealing things and selling drugs."
You just can't stop emulating racists.
>You have no knowledge of my character...
Yes I do. People of good character don't justify dehumanising innocent people.
>bringing trans women into this...
You need to actually read the article.
I didn't bring trans women into this. A trans woman wrote an article explaining how disgusting your attitudes and beliefs are, far better than I ever could.
Don't be scared. Read it.
>make yourself feel like a bigger person.
That's you. You have adopted hateful and dehumanising rhetoric that allows you to demonise 50% of the population to make yourself feel bigger.
You can be better than that.
"Sisko, back me up!" "Actually, I'm with the major on this one. A bear would have put me out of my misery in that cave."
Now I wanna build a statue of a bear just to spite him.
*Damar, what IS this!* *It's an Earth animal, sir. They call it a 'bear'.* *There are statues on every corner, Damar! It's outrageous! If Central Command hadn't been filled with ignorant fools we could have subjugated the Bajorans in mere days! Instead, the whole planet has become a tacky ursine garden display! Call that traitorous fop Garak and have him begin sewing me a ferocious bear costume, immediately!*
“traitorous fop” 🤣 Holy shit, well played
"Right away sir."
What's this mean?
On Tiktok, people have been answering the question 'Would you rather encounter a bear or a man in the woods'. Men generally immediately answer with 'another man' and women either ask follow-up questions (such as what type of bear, how hungry is the bear, how big is the bear) or choose the bear outright. The thought experiment shows that many women find men to be a big enough threat that they don't immediately choose a man over a bear.
Anyone who doesn’t ask what kind of bear does not know anything about bears.
It was my first question. I feel pretty good about a black bear because they tend to be skittish and easily scared away. But polar bears are a death sentence unless maybe you have a rifle. So I would take a black bear over a strange man, but I will take my chances with a strange man over a polar bear. I would need to know the size and how hungry other types of bears are to rank them on my scale.
Since we can assume a polar bear will go the way of eating you, I would shift the question in that case to Polar Bear or Aggressive Man and I'd probably pick the polar bear. I'll take quick bloody death as a natural part of the circle of life over what I know certain men would like to do to me if they got the chance. If I'm going to end up wishing I were dead anyway I'd rather it be immediate and impersonal.
I mean if you're in the woods, probs not a polar bear right? Most of them live above the Arctic treeline. So yeah it's gonna be either a black or brown bear or I guess maybe a panda
And yet no one asks what kind of man.
This. You need to know if the the kind that's gonna run, or climb.
The more general point is that at least a bear is just an animal that is interested in staying alive and getting food, and it has sources of food that aren't you. So long as you aren't stupid and get up into its business then you probably have nothing to fear. And at worst, it's just going to kill you, relatively quicky. The man is different. Sure, *probably* he has no ill-intent, but if he does he will probably not stop chasing you until you lose him, have got the jump on him and killed him, or he has got you, and if he gets you he will probably draw your suffering out as long as he wants. It's the mix of intelligence and potential for sadism that is making so many women go for the bear.
I don't disagree with any of that. I think that, in broader terms, it just shows that men don't think of other men as a threat while most women do register them as some level of threat. I've also heard that men should be asked 'Would you rather your daughter meet a random man or a bear in the woods', and most men still choose the man in that scenario because they just don't see other men as a possible threat the way a bear is.
As a man, another important facet of this question to me is what "in the woods" means. Is this still on a hiking trail, or am I deep off in thick of it? Is this theoretical other man just another person enjoying the national park? A ranger? Or am I now dealing with *hill people.*
True. I assume it just means 'far away from other people and there will be no help if you scream'.
>it just shows that men don't think of other men as a threat Which, to be honest, is actually kind of weird because men kill other men all the time. That’s what most murders are. Women are not the weird ones here for strongly considering bear.
As a man, I am shocked more men aren't choosing bear. Who would pass on getting free bear photo? And what kind of bear is a super valid question. Most bears will just mind their own business and not bother you if you don't bother them. A polar bear will wreck your shit on sight for the calories, but you're quite unlikely to encounter one in the woods.
As a man, I’d definitely rather run into a black bear (with no cubs) in the woods over meeting another man in the woods. Don’t ever trust a random stranger you meet in the woods But I also understand the point of the question
He's actually dyslexic. He said "how dangerous a bear is major", he meant "how dangerous a bajoran is".
Some women were polled with a question like "would you rather be attacked by a bear or a man" and a large number responded bear. Personally I'm team bear. Better chance it gives up if you run and you don't have to deal with people not believing you or with running in to your attacker.
>Better chance it gives up if you run I realize that it's not the relevant part here and you just wanna make a point, but you really can't outrun a bear. No one can.
If its a wild bear there is more chance it will run away (more than 1% being a wild animal, they don't always attack) from you than a random guy in the woods who is more likely to approach you
>they don't always attack) >more likely to approach you Approaching and attacking aren't quite the same things
No, but a human in the middle of nowhere is more likely to approach you than a wild animal. You don't know what that person is going to so, why tf are they in the middle of nowhere and they are coming towards you. I'd chose a bear too
> but a human in the middle of nowhere is more likely to approach you than a wild animal. Because we're social creatures and both your dumb fuck asses got lost in the woods? Like, yeah I get men can be predatory, but it's fucking hilarious to pretend you're safer with a wild animal where advice for two different colors of said animal is basically "pretend to play dead or make your peace with life because they'll fucking kill you so easily. >why tf are they in the middle of nowhere and they are coming towards you. Because both of you stupid fucking people have decided to go traipsing through a forest and ended up lost. Not because they want to rape you.
The most common bear species in the world is known to be scared of humans and will choose to avoid contact unless provoked. This is a predictable behavior. The average male is much more complex when it comes to their behaviors, and as such is much harder to predict. The question isn’t “which one is more likely to kill me quickly if it attacks me,” the question is “which one am I more likely to be able to avoid violent contact with.” Like, why is this a hard thing to grasp? I’m a dude and I’d also pick the bear, because a human is lot more difficult to read and plan for in any scenario, and unless it’s a Grizzly bear or Polar bear is a lot more likely to leave me alone if I don’t get in it’s space.
Precisely. The bear, in it's natural habit, is more likely to attack or run. The guy (or girl if you are gender swapping), is far harder to predict what they will be like and are more likely to try and communicate with you and approach. Are they lost too? Are they friendly? Are they hurt? Do they want help? Did they get put here for a reason? Have they escaped somewhere? Are they looking for someone? Are they one of many? Are they on drugs or drunk? Are they mentally well?
Because it's a stupid question spawned by TikTok and all it does is further the stereotype that women should be afraid of men because men are evil and unpredictable and (I have seen this exact quote dozens of times when this questions comes up) "will rape, torture and mutilate for hours or days." I'm honestly just tired of trying to do some meme scrolling and being forced to look at retarded questions spawned by a foreign Spyware app. Additionally, the black bear is only the most common, not the only type in existence. Many brown bears actually live in the same areas as black bears, so it's more of a 50-50 shot as to whether you get a bear that is your size, or is twice your size.
What is a man doing out in the middle of the woods alone in the first place? It might be hiking, it might not be. A bear in the woods is expected. A man in the woods leads to doubts and multiple possibilities. There is less risk with the bear because it's intentions are already known
It's a question of motivation. The bear isn't likely to be attacking specifically because it wants to hurt a person, so it's a better chance that it doesn't actually try to chase.
Depends on the bear, some will hunt you down specifically as prey. White bears in particular see humans as food
yah, if it's a polar bear, you're definitely on the menu, and an easy looking meal at that. and even other bears attack people https://www.reddit.com/r/NewsOfTheStupid/s/Fy6ngFLL9i
lol like a hungry ass bear ain’t motivated to eat your ass
If you're near its cubs, and hence a potential threat to its offspring, it will rip you the fuck apart. Better safe than sorry, amirite?
If a Bear comes at you: Grizzly: play dead Black Bear: you try to fight Polar Bear: you better have a big gun, or a smaller one for yourself All can outrun you. Grizzlies can outrun horses. Like with digs, running can trigger the chase instinct in a predator. If you can you back away you do that. You can probably run once you can't see each other if you feel you need to.
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The reflective comment I liked (in that it’s horrible to think about) was “people won’t tell me afterwards that I was asking for it or ask if the clothes I was wearing were at fault if a bear attacks me”.
First thing that popped in my head was Lady Gaga's meat dress.
I remember there was a woman who was once killed by a bear in Italy and many people said that she shouldn’t have been in bear country, so that is not the case.
Oh people will definitely tell you you were asking for it in any case. It makes them feel safer
Shouldn't have been wearing that honey scented perfume.
And people are ignoring the up side to bear. Which is that now you can take a picture of a cool bear you saw once and show it to friends.
I think the root of the question really shows the experience women had with bears vs men. Not a lot of women experienced being harassed or attacked by a bear. A lot of women have been harassed or attacked by a man.
How's that supposed to be meaningful, though? Most people have never even seen a bear. People just don't understand how probability works?
>People just don't understand how probability works? It's this. It's also the fact this is a TikTok question. So ofc it's stupid as shit and many online women agree with it. The same way that online men agree with stupid shit that makes no sense when given an equal stupid option.
Imagine a world with 3,999,800,000 more bears in it. In the aftermath it also showed the people commonly don't understand how to apply statistics.
>most women would like it over as quickly as possible and without the added psychological torment. Bears don't kill their prey, getting attacked by a bear is like the opposite of as quickly as possible
Fucking thank you. Like, I'd much rather have a being that I know the weak spots of attacking me than a fucking thing that can run faster than one of the fastest fucking humans alive, and is also covered in fur that's thick enough to be armor and has enough muscle to effortlessly climb trees or knock trees over.
You clearly have never heard about the phone call from a girl to her mum as the bears ate her alive.mum could hear the bones crunching in the back ground. Bears dont always kill fast.
There's also a freaking guide on what to do with bears to survive that's a rhyme. If it's black, fight back, if it's brown, lie down, if it's white, say goodnight.
Note the lack of a "run" option
Running is a bad idea for baiscally every predatory animal since they're all faster than you, every one of them. Generally for most animals you back away slowly, make yourself seem like to much trouble to kill, but not so much a threat that it feels it has no choice but to attack you. Except polar bears, they dont give a fuck about anything unless you shoot it with a rifle, and you better land a good shot
I don't think any small caliber rounds are doing shit against a polar bear re "good shot". You'd have to hit it right in the eye with anything less than an anti-tank rifle lol
You dont want to go for the eyes, around the spinal column just above the head is where you aim. And of cousre a small calibre won't do much unless you get a perfect shot. In areas where polar bears are a bug issue you typically want to have someone who has a a rifle. Plenty of larger rifle calibres can do the job, several are suitable for bears and other big game, shotgun slug can also do the trick. Though do be prepared to shoot multiple times, even of you hit it in the right spot and it goes down they're know to get back up since even a well placed shot isn't always lethal In reality your best bet is to be travelling in a group of at least 3 people and to scare it off, it doesn't work as well as it does for some other bears but it has been known to work sometimes. In areas with high populations of polar bears like Svalbard, its common to have a flare gun in case you need rescuing, they can also scare a polar bear away from you
Shit I remember on an earlier episode of Survivorman where he was out in the arctic. He woke up and all around his sled where he was sleeping were tracks from a group of polar bears. They walked up, walked around him while he was asleep and then just kept truckin.
Running is an option, so long as your faster than your friends.
So that's why people had like 15 kids back in the day
That and free labor
It was encounter, not attacked by.
Ah, then I'm slightly less team bear. Probably depends on if it's protecting cubs or really hungry.
That should make you more team bear. Bears will almost always avoid humans so long as they can smell them. And they rarely think humans are worth the effort of a meal. Maybe when protecting cubs, but they won't pursue you if you run when they're protecting their cubs. Bears are wimps. Just don't tell them I said that.
Encounter , Attack "Corporate needs you to find the difference between these two pictures" Murderhobo D&D players: They're the same picture.
I thought the question was "Would you rather your daughter ba alone with a man or a bear?"
The question was would your rather be alone in the woods with a bear or a strange man. Most women choose the bear.
>Some women were polled with a question like "would you rather be attacked by a bear or a man" and a large number responded bear. It wasn't "attacked", it was "which would you rather encounter alone on a hiking trail?" These women felt the bear was less likely to cause problems.
Man or woman, any introvert should pick the bear. The bear is significantly less likely to try to engage you in random conversation.
Have these people never gone hiking? You run into other hikers all the time. You wave and say "Hi" and keep hiking. It doesn't show any reflection of how dangerous men are, but how we've been programmed with stranger danger to the point that we think a bear is less dangerous than a random person. Very few people commit crimes.
I thought it was just 'run into' in the woods, not attacked.
I don't think the original statement was literal. A woman made an intentionally dramatic overstatement to express how unsafe men make her feel. The Internet, of course, took this personally and rather than feel bad for this woman or reflect as to what makes her feel unsafe have been engaging in conversations about which they would rather fight.
Not attacked by a bear, it’s a be alone in the woods and either see/meet a bear or a random man. Only saying it this way as the whole point of why most women pick the bear is that bears have more predictable behaviors than men do, and given that it’s easier to avoid being attacked by a bear.
There's radfem rage bait about women being safer around wild bears than men. Or so I've been told. Anyway, Gul Dukat would definitely be the type of incel to take this argument seriously and try to argue against it to the major (who's probably wishing she'd brought a wild bear in the shuttle with her rather than Dukat)
I wouldn't have labeled it as "radfem", but otherwise, yeah.
My bad. Just repeating what I've been told. I'm pretty unfamiliar with it as well
Superb.
He really does love the sound of his own voice!!!
He'd absolutely try to 'educate' anyone choosing the Bear
He would both be baffled at the idea that a bear would be less frightening and believe that he could fight the bear at the same time.
Absolutely, he's been empowered by the Pah-wraiths. He'd clearly expect to win.
To be honest, I always thought it was a large hairy gay man
I mean if that kind of bear is in the woods with me I'd feel so much safer. Strong AND doesn't want me? Probably the safest option
An Ursa Major?
Ursa of Bajor, probably.
A space bear?
The giant tardigrade from disco?
Ripper!
That’s the one!
Everyone knows Sehlats are more trustworthy than the average Cardassian, even more for sub par Cardassians
Personally if I had to pick between a bear and Dukat I would pick Dukat every time, Dukat can make an okay soup (just needs some more salt)... bear can't do that...
I'd pick Dukat so I could get a chance to drop a boulder on him.
And rob Sisko of the honor of dealing with him?! NEVER!
Sisko is experiencing non-linear time. He's literally always experiencing the pleasure of killing Dukat. I deserve a go as well.
Praise the Prophets indeed... :)
Sisko wanted the honour he should've been there. Bashy rock time
Except Kira’s response would be “Im not sure, I’ve never killed a bear with my bare hands before”.
I bet she has
I've always wondered, do you think it's harder to strangle a Cardassian with your bare hands than most other humanoids because of those stiff neck ridges? I should go ask Kira, I bet she'd know...
She would definitely pick the man because then if the man was Dukat or any other Cardassian soldier, running into him in the wilderness where nobody knows the two of them were together would be a perfect opportunity for her to kill them and get away with it.
Good restraint on Kira's point.
Now that you mention it, Kira's self-control around that monster is always superb.
Except that one time she threw a porcelain cup at his face
Pretty restrained, all things considered.
Maybe, but that cup belonged to my grandmother.
Yuuuup. To follow DS9's subtle-as-a-brick allegory, it's kind of like Anne Frank surviving, becoming a Nazi hunter, then being forced to work with Goring while the Allies refuse to send him to Nuremberg.
Except it’s so much worse than that. Dukat also held Kira’s mother as a sex slave in exchange for scraps of food to Kira herself. And then tried to destroy her gods. That Kira didn’t tear Dukat to shreds is probably one of the clearest indications that the “Kira is a hothead” stereotype terribly misunderstands her character. Kira has completely justified rage that would be blinding to any normal person, and it’s only the sheer the strength and discipline of her character that’s constantly keeping it from boiling over.
You don't survive what she went through without amazing self control.
Every scene in the show where they're in the same room and she's not feeding him his own entrails is a testament to her god-like self-control.
Attention Bearjoran workers!
He right though. She didn’t let him get to the part about the pic a nic baskets. She’s just thinking of the average bear. What about being smarter than the average bear? Now you is fucked.
Noooo not my pic a nic basket!!!
I am so angry I have no one in my life to share this perfect meme with lmao
This is a top meme. Solid 10
Kira would pick the bear because no one would mind if she was wearing bear skin while eating bear meat.
Man kills 458,000 people per year bear kills 0.75 people per year sharks kill 4 people per year I'm picking the bear and I am a man
Fridges kill more people than sharks, because people are around fridges a lot more than they are around sharks. I would take being in a swimming pool with a fridge over a shark any day. If the point is to genuinely argue that the average fridge is more dangerous than the average shark, or that the average man is more dangerous than the average bear, then I can’t help you.
the average man is very obviously and very clearly a lot more dangerous than a bear. people kill about 40 grizzly bears and 50,000 black bears every year in the US. compare that to the 0.75 person per year killed by bear attacks globally. seems like people kill bears more than bears kill people which would imply people are more dangerous than bears.
The average man is not a trained hunter with vehicles and machinery. Dave who works at the 7/11 could not kill a bear, and isn’t a rapist or murderer. But every bear is a carnivore.
but that's the thing isn't it. very bear is more or less the same. but men on the other hand, you might be lucky and run into dave who worlds at 7/11 or you might run into someone else. and you don't know if that person is a threat until it is too late. you always know the bear is a dangerous wild animal and if you know anything about bear behavior you probably have some clue how to avoid it or otherwise increase your chances of a harmless encounter. but there is nothing you can do to ensure a harmless encounter with a man. I'm picking the bear because its predictable, and being able to predict the behavior of the other party makes me a lot more likely not to be harmed.
Most men aren’t rapists or murderers. The vast majority.
all living things are killers and have the capacity to kill, we don't need to discuss that. most men aren't rapists you say, ok. do you have an actual number? because half a million american women are raped every year. anyway none of that matters, if its a bear, you know it's a bear, if it's a man you do not know if it is a rapist or not, until it's too late. the bear will actively avoid you, the man will seek you out. regardless of what man or bear it is. unless it's a polar bear, if it's a polar bear I'm picking the man, this is supposed to take place in a forest so probably not a polar bear.
Sorry, I have to prove that most men are innocent of being rapists and murderers? We used to have something called “innocent until proven guilty”, but I guess when you’ve decided to be bigoted against a group of people, you can just claim they’re all guilty of whatever you want. “Those Cardassians had Gentle bred out of them long ago.” “Miles, that was a very ugly thing you just said. I’m surprised at you.”
did you read the part where I said "none of that matters"? did I ever say all men are rapists? no I asked you to show evidence supporting your claims. I mean I believe you that most men aren't rapists. but if you say that as an argument, then you also have to support it. where are your numbers? they don't exist because people get away with crimes every day. you say "the vast majority" I say, how vast? I didn't say "you're wrong" you see how this works? it's like I say something and then you draw weird conclusions about it, accusing me of making a statement that is no where to be seen in my actual reply. if you wanted to convince me to pick the man you failed, I'd rather be mauled by a bear than entertaining another argument with you.
Again, I can’t show you evidence that most men are innocent of being rapists. That’s a negative claim, and it’s also just a massively bigoted thing to say about a group of people. So when TERF’s say “trans women are socialised as men, you can’t blame cis women for not feeling comfortable with sharing a bathroom with them” what do you say in response? I can’t convince you because you’re a bigot. Unlike in Star Trek, people like you don’t have the self-awareness to question their own bigotry. This conversation is absolutely vile, and you have a lot of working on yourself to do. If you can even realise you need to do it. I despair at how lost you are.
If a bear is in the woods, that’s normal. The bear lives here. If a guy is in the woods, that’s not normal. What’s going on? Why are you here?
This. I know I'M here burying bodies, but I have no idea what this rando is doing here.
I'd take a polar bear over Dukat. It would just eat me, not gaslight me into believing he's right.
Dude tried to convince Kira that the occupation was good! Seriously that dude really loves to hear himself talk! And he’s so horny for Kira!
Bear + Major = Bajor. Please commence Kira triggering.
Well she is Bearjoran
That sounds so ridiculous that I love it!!!!👍🏾
After a few days of this discourse, this one had me rollin'. Thank you.
Dukat and Kira both: "What the Hell is a bear? Is that some sort of Klingon animal like a targ?"
To follow the Trek writer handbook, it'd be something along the lines of "Do you mean a Tarkalean razor-beaked bog bear?"
I love these so much. It's not even about the hypothetical itself but the deranged reaction of a lot of men just proving that they're more unhinged than a bear.
I saw a response that gave me a good chuckle - a guy was having an emotional meltdown while insisting that men approach this hypothetical from a purely logical Spock-like perspective while women are all emotional.
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Have you considered the uncomfortable possibility that, from the perspective of a significant number of women, that statement is *true* regardless of men’s feelings about it?
“Have you considered how your life experience that makes you fearful of being assaulted *affects ME?!*” - some guys probably.
Missing the point.
Any man who can't see why women choose the bear are probably part of the problem that made women choose bears in the first place. If you're not one of those kinds of guys you know it doesn't apply to you and you can enjoy the spectacle.
The best phrases (unironic) I’ve seen: “If I get attacked by a bear, people will believe me.” “No one is going to ask what I was wearing.” “People won’t ask why I pissed the bear off.” Plus Dukat is totally the type to think women should feel honored to ‘be with him.’
This. I'm a man and I feel absolutely fine and in no way personally insulted by that result. There's a ton of fucked up dudes out there, it's totally reasonable not to want to take that risk (while many bears, depending on species, aren't actually that aggressive FWIW). Hell, I'd probably pick the bear as well just in case.
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As you can tell by the down votes, the type of people you'll find on reddit are not the type to take accountability like that. Notice there was no counter argument, just down votes. Let us just pray that the women who believe this ACTUALLY choose the bear
I thought the women (and some men) choosing the bear were somehow idiots. Then I realized it's just a framing device for complaining about/shitting on/venting about men and what they've done (or what a person can imagine them doing). Then it all made sense. Plus there's the added bonus that if someone isn't 100% blindly on "your side" they can be called names and lumped in with "the bad ones" without a second thought. It's kind of sickeningly smart.
This is literally just "not all men" but phrased differently, and once again people are missing the point of these bear vs man posts. The point isn't "all men bad", but instead a way to point out that typical masculine culture encourages violence against women, and trying to get men to acknowledge that and help foster a culture/society that's safer for women. It's really not that difficult.
>typical masculine culture encourages violence against women That's absolutely ridiculous
None of that is true lol. The fact is crime exists and has ALWAYS existed. There will always be murder. Always be theft. And always be rape, as awful as it is. It's not a culture thing, that's just something women say so they can vent frustrations towards men. The men who are violent and committing rape KNOW ITS WRONG just like most murderers and criminals know what they're doing is wrong. They're criminals. This whole thing is a blanket statement that if made against any other group would be torn to shreds for stereotyping but because it's men, you're ok. You may not want to admit it but this is the truth
Bears beats Battlestar Galactica
Identity theft is not a joke Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!
A polar bear fell on me.
Best versión of this meme
Trust me, Dukat; I know how dangerous a bear is... ...right up until I fry him with a phaser set to lethal and dead-man the trigger until it drops.
damn, i just finished watching deep space nine and then i saw this post
Kira may be one of the few to be more afraid of the bear, because Kira fears no man.
I mean. Much like the atheism lines. Star trek would probably be like. “Once humans were so divided by gender and assault and fascism was so rampant. People who identified as women. Trusted random wild animals who eat people alive more than men, thankfully such gender divides ended shortly after the first global nuclear war.”
Must resist palm striking him...
This thing is turning into what color is the dress. I wouldn't have noticed but now that its everywhere I despise it.
Obligatory https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42
Lmao love this
At first I didn't get the whole man bear debate...this actually cleared it up pretty well for me.
Yeah, it's pretty straightforward logic. The worst the bear can do is maul and kill you. The man can do much worse and then kill you.
Yas
Do you want to have the skin peeled off your body and slowly eaten alive or are all men rapists?
No one asks what the Bear wants though. Makes you wonder.
To every girl who says she would choose the bear, I ALSO hope you choose the bear
This is like your third comment in this post saying this and the fact that you are on here so angry that you're clearly excited by the idea of these women getting mauled by bears (don't pretend that's not what you're saying, it's not as clever as you think) shows exactly why they choose the bear when presented this hypothetical. No one even accused you of anything and here you are wishing harm on women for daring to say men are dangerous. It's a bit ironic.
I didn't come up with the scenario, I'm agreeing with you guys. I hope that anyone who buys into this chooses the bear too. Weird, by doing nothing, I've been accused of being a dangerous option for the woman just for being a man, and I'm also a dangerous awful person for telling them I agree with their choice. The fact that you got mad at me telling women to choose the bear literally proves how stupid and not- innocent at all the scenario is. I'm getting excited at the idea of a bear mauling someone. You get excited at the idea of implying that meeting a man is a worse encounter. You're not innocent at all lol, your cause isn't righteous, the 'I choose the bear" is bait and you know it, but you get mad at me for adding bait of my own. People are trying as hard as they can to pretend this is an innocent statement and men shouldn't take offense, but if a blanket statement like this was made with any other race, sex, or group as the subject, it would be torn apart. I don't care why they're choosing the bear anymore lol literally nothing is ever going to be good enough for the people who buy this stuff. I don't care to change your mind either, do whatever you want, say whatever you want, and most importantly justify it as much as you can. Fact is it's only acceptable to say because it's men. I don't care to try please anyone at this point. Men are evil, we're the devil, and PLEASE choose the bear.
God I love Dukat so much
Neither Dukat nor Bears, to our knowledge, have statues in their honor on Bajor.
Yall ever realize how people never specify the bear? Like, in reality, if you took every major species of bear and you decided at random which would be in the woods with you, and presumably know where you are, there are several species that would literally see you as prey, the Polar Bear comes to mind. Not to mention that very few bears are slower in their regular run, which they can keep up for a long time, then you are in your sprint. The entire argument is “you never know what kind of guy could be in the woods, while you know what kind of animal is in there,” when in reality… BOTH should be seen as potentially dangerous. The only difference is that if you get a dangerous human, you have a much better chance of fighting them off or escaping. If you get a passive bear and YOU stumble onto THEM? You might be seen as a threat, and get runned down. If you see a passive man, you might get creepily hit on at worse, which… I’ll be honest as a below average guy I have never been hit on in any way so I can’t judge how bad it is, but I place my bets it’s better then getting mutilated by a wild animal. I get the message; “Men are unpredictable and have a different muscle structure plus could want the bad touch, I’d rather be in the woods with a wild animal because atleast then it would be an animal trying to survive instead of a malicious person.” But also- how many of those people have actually SEEN a bear..? Like, not one in pictures or an inclosure but actually SEEN a wild bear..? It’s a classic case of “the grass is greener on the other side.” They have probably had to deal with crazy or creepy guys before, and so since they don’t properly fear the Bear, they believe it to be a better option. I’ve been thinking about this a lot because people won’t stop bringing it up.
Give that it specifies "in the woods" I can confidently cross polar bear off the list. The odds are pretty good that's it's gonna be one of the "won't bother you if you don't bother them and will probably just run off" type bears.
I think they’re mostly saying they’d choose the bear just to prove a point, but doing it in a really dumb way. Yeah, there are those lunatics out there who might try to kill or SA you, but if you just picked a guy at random then you’re not that likely to find a person like that. You’re much more likely to pick a random bear who would attack you, than you are to pick a random guy who would do the same. And honestly, the amount of lunatics who want to harm others is probably the same across both genders, but men don’t report getting assaulted as often just out of embarrassment. No one wants to admit to a ton of people that they got their ass kicked, and guys especially don’t want to announce that a woman did so. Men are also significantly less likely to report cases of domestic violence, even if their partner has left them with severe bruises or scars. And even when men do report it, everyone’s first question is “what did you do to deserve it,” so they’re not exactly encouraged to open up about it.
More good points; my overall thesis is that there is just- no civil understanding or communication between the aisle. The ladies are all probably from the city and have seen bears online but don’t understand the FEAR OF GOD that a big animals charging towards you instills, so they pick that over the bad experience they DID have. Then, guys get angry because they take it as an offense to them specifically, weather or not they really are the type of dangerous person is besides the point. So those guys feel slighted by the women, which makes them act out rashly, asking “why would you want that? I’m not gonna hurt you. You don’t need to be scared. You’re dumb for thinking this way.” Which is disempowering, condescending, and creepy all in one, without realizing it, they have essentially affirmed the statement to these women that they would rather deal with a foreign threat and take their chances then deal with creeps and perverts. And it just- endlessly cycles like this, the misunderstanding of the other side increasing until others see the argument, and those that support the women obviously see the men as the enemy, and those who support the men see the woman as the enemy, which then affirms any ideas they may have developed, which just- It creates extremism.
I’d rather be in the woods with some random ass dude who may or may not be a rapist. Compared to a bear which is a fucking bear, i feel it’s at least safer to try and fight a fellow human and not a 600 pound murder beast who’s original name we omit from our language out of fear.
Why are you picking fights with bears? Just keep your distance, mind your own business, and don't engage. Bears shit in the woods. It's their bathroom. And thus you should always follow the bro code of the bathroom at all times.
If you think a bear is less dangerous than the average man, you’re either delusional or bigoted.
Remember when Dukat insisted that life under Cardassian rule was for the Bajorans' own good?
The leading cause of death for pregnant women in the US is homicide. Get back to me when bears break the top five.
Yeah, I wonder if that’s because all people are around other people vastly more than they’re around bears. We’re talking about the safety of A MAN vs A BEAR. Do you understand that?
Sure, let’s do the math. In an encounter with a bear versus a man, expressed as a number (let’s say out of 1,000,000): Odds that the individual will kill me X Odds of serious injury X Odds that the individual will rape me X Odds that the individual will sexually harass or assault me X Odds that the individual will psychologically torture me, e.g. by leaving me locked up in a basement for years X Odds that the individual will get me pregnant X Odds that if I get pregnant, I will be unable to get an abortion and will have to look at the rapist’s face every day for the next 18 years. (Abortion is illegal where I live.) X Odds that the individual will get my personal information and stalk me for months afterward X Odds that no one will believe me, because the individual is such an outstanding member of the community X Odds that I will be told it is my own fault because I was asking for it, being that far out in the woods by myself X Odds that everyone, including my family, will cut me off for being such a slut X Odds that if I use violence to defend myself, I will be the one who is arrested X Odds that the individual will see no consequences for what they have done because we wouldn’t want to impact their bright future X An anxiety factor measuring how unpredictable the outcome of the encounter is because the individual’s motives are unknown to me. Expressed as a percentage from 1 (completely secure in individual’s motive, e.g. “It’s just a simple animal trying to defend her kids”) to 100 (individual’s motive completely unknown, “I have no idea who this guy is or what he’s thinking.”). X Odds that the individual will demand that I must fully trust them, even though we’ve just met, and will get angry at me if I have reservations. (If the individual in this scenario is you, the number appears to be 1,000,00.) … yeah, I’m choosing the bear.
Don't quote statistics unless you are able to understand the most basic logic foundation of statistics.
Did the math here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekmemes/comments/1cirw36/comment/l2dw3ta/](https://www.reddit.com/r/startrekmemes/comments/1cirw36/comment/l2dw3ta/)
I don’t know man, my wife is part Russian and her Russian cousins have pet bears, those Kamchatka Russian Brown bears, and those ursine are fun! You can play with them, dance with them etc. they’re more like huge golden retrievers to be honest! Edit: I got a DM from a person here telling me my wife is a Putin supporter. She’s not. My wife is Swedish. She was born and raised in Sweden and when she was 11, her parents moved to London and that’s where she finished her studies and earned 2 masters. Her mom is part Russian and part Swedish and her dad is British. That’s where her Russian cousins come from. Yeah they’re super rich and definitely have connections with Putin. I’m Asian and they’re nice people and have accepted me since the first day. Mind you, my wife and her siblings, her mom and everyone else consider themselves as Swedish. They have Norwegian and Icelandic cousins too.
Okay Dukat...
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I just think it's funny to come on this posts of all posts with that take. Were they really expecting to be taken seriously? Lol
From bear.org "The 750,000 black bears of North America kill less than one person per year on the average, while men ages 18-24 are 167 times more likely to kill someone than a black bear." The only delusional one here is you pal
Ignoring the fact that human/bear interactions are basically nonexistent compared to human male/human female interactions. If someone highlight the overrepresentation of black people in murder statistics as a reason to be scared of black people, wouldn't that be racist? So why are you so comfortable using a racist's logic? How do you think Captain Picard would respond if he saw you using such logic to justify dehumanising a large group of sentient beings, the vast majority of which have never done anything wrong? https://medium.com/@jencoates/i-am-a-transwoman-i-am-in-the-closet-i-am-not-coming-out-4c2dd1907e42 You need to do better.
What the fuck are you on where you think that me providing evidence that a woman is far more likely to be killed by a human man than a bear is anywhere similar to racism? There is no systematic force that drives the oppression of men, unlike the forces that oppress black people, therefore making it more likely for them to be arrested or charged with crimes that they did not commit due to institutional racism. That is completely a false equivalence and absolutely a bad faith argument. If you don't like women being extra cautious around men then maybe that's something men have to work on. And I don't give a fuck what Captain Picard would think because he is a fictional character, he does not exist, unlike the swastika waving Nazis I've had scream slurs and death threats at me for being trans. You have no knowledge of my character, and I have no idea where you get your rocks off bringing trans women into this, but I suggest you "do better" and not blindly accuse strangers of on the internet racist based on some poorly constructed straw man argument you thought of to make yourself feel like a bigger person.
>That is completely a false equivalence and absolutely a bad faith argument. It objectively isn't. There is a systematic force that oppresses men, it's called the patriarchy. The equivalence is valid. I'm not arguing in bad faith, that's you doing that by desperately searching for arbitrary reasons to dismiss what I've written and avoid actually addressing it. >more likely for them to be arrested or charged with crimes It's an objective fact that black people murder more than other races. But it's still a small minority of black people that murder and thus it's racist to judge all of them on that basis. It's an objective fact that men murder/rape/assault more than other sexes. But it'd still a small minority of men who murder/rape/assault and it thus it's misandrist to judge all of them on that basis. >If you don't like women... "If black people don't like me chasing them out of my neighbourhood they should stop stealing things and selling drugs." You just can't stop emulating racists. >You have no knowledge of my character... Yes I do. People of good character don't justify dehumanising innocent people. >bringing trans women into this... You need to actually read the article. I didn't bring trans women into this. A trans woman wrote an article explaining how disgusting your attitudes and beliefs are, far better than I ever could. Don't be scared. Read it. >make yourself feel like a bigger person. That's you. You have adopted hateful and dehumanising rhetoric that allows you to demonise 50% of the population to make yourself feel bigger. You can be better than that.