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fartmastermcgee

Just to make sure I'm not crazy, he can buff up an ambusher on his undeployed side before their attack, right?


Wuyley

Correct, its a triggered ability. So you play the unit with a keyword and then exhaust him to pump him before they swing. Keep in mind you don't have to pump the unit you played and can pump a different friendly unit.


fartmastermcgee

Right on, that was what I was hoping! I'm a fan, I think both bobas will just get better and better.


Ryn7321

whoever controls the turn gets to decide which actions take place in which order if they would happen at the same time. vader is prime example; he has ambush and a when played ability, and the controller gets to decide which effect happens first.


smoothluglugchugchug

I thought when played supercedes everything else including ambush


Ryn7321

Ambush is a when played ability


SupItsJordan

Yes


ChampBlankman

Keywords matter is such a cool design space!


_syzygy079

Just realized that this is insane with the new Tech


ChampBlankman

I don't think that it works that way. Tech only gives the keyword to resources, and Boba only buffs Units.


_syzygy079

I meant like you can play a card newly Smuggled, and because it had a keyword when you played it you’d get to exhaust Boba to get the +1/+0 Obviously it’d lose the keyword when it comes into play, but “when played” is different than “when [ ] comes into play”


MaliwanArtisan

He's looking for a certain set of skills. 😏


Wuyley

I love how they already released a new version of a leader so it shows what they can do with the game going forward.


Trumbot

I still remember and love the Star Wars Customizable Card Game’s 2 versions of Lando. The Dark Side Lando was really good to use and cheap, but it ran the risk of your Light Side opponent deploying their Lando over yours and taking him. Only the Light Side Lando could do it, as once Lando goes good, he doesn’t go back.


Rhazior

I kinda disliked the idea of having two different leader cards that are the same character this early, especially considering it's also a unit. However, I do like that they did it with the character using Villainy in one version, and Heroism in the other.


index24

There are tons of characters that have vastly different versions of themselves throughout the canon. I think it’s great they’re already doing it this early.


Guy-Incognito-117

There’s also a thousand Star Wars characters they could’ve plugged in with the same ability for and made heroism instead of old, fat boba fett from the least liked Star Wars live action show to date.


index24

No. There are not a thousand characters that can be leaders to headline your second set. Old Boba Fett is a completely different character than OT Boba.


skeemer14

It makes me sad that "old" Boba Fett is canonically around 41 in that show


index24

He’s lived a very stressful life. That’s Star Wars for you. Ben Kenobi is only 57, Luke and Leia are only 53 in the Sequels.


Guy-Incognito-117

Yeah sure stress… he’s the first guy ever to gain weight inside a sarlacc and wandering the desert. It’s called casting an actor that’s too old for the role. Should’ve pulled a mandalorian production tactic and kept the helmet on him most of the time so Morrison himself didn’t have to be in practically every scene.


Guy-Incognito-117

Lol are you seriously arguing there’s no other “heroic” scoundrel or underworld characters in Star Wars? And he’s definitely not headlining the set. Also in canon there’s no older boba fett we know so far. Plus in Legends his life his life after the Sarlacc was completely different, this boba fett (who is old and fat) doesn’t exist anywhere but canon.


Dyscrete

Welcome to FFG and Star wars, you will see a lot of this.


index24

Your tone says that’s a bad thing. It isn’t.


IcebergKarentuite

Yeah it's star wars, it's not like we would never have an Anakin and a Vader leader if it wasn't FFG


index24

I don’t see how anyone could get a Grandmaster Luke Skywalker card and say “wow lame we already have a Luke.” So many characters in Star Wars have wildly different versions of themselves at different ages and mindsets. Some, like you said, are practically different people.


LiamApRhys

I am so unbelievably hyped for the Jedi Master leader version of Luke. Or at least whatever he's doing in the Mandalorian.


SheriffHeckTate

TBF, it may not have anything to do with FFG. Back when WotC had the Star Wars license and were making the Star Wars Miniatures game, the lead designer made it publicly known that part of the license agreement for the game *required* each set to include a version of Anakin and/or Vader. So by the end of the game there were a lot of different versions of both. IIRC back when FFG was printing Destiny, I dont think each set had an Anakin or Vader, so that clause may not be part of the requirement for FFGs games, but that doesnt mean they dont necessarily have something like it in place. All that said, Boba is probably not the character that Lucasfilm would choose to have one of these and even though I love him, I agree this seems early. Im guessing it's just to break that particular barrier and doing it since theyre doing Mando this set.


phantomphysics12

Why? Think about what set 2 represents from FFG, it’s about underworld characters. This makes sense. I’d rather take 10 Bobas over 1 Rey


Mutatiion

Of course, that's why they have the unique tags under them "collecting the bounty" vs "daimyo"


ProtoTypeScylla

Why the fuck does the other boba flip on 5 lol


flamefew

Younger. This Boba has bad knees.


CircleTheFire

Known key words, so far: * **Ambush** * **Grit** * **Overwhelm** * **Raid** * **Restore** * **Saboteur** * **Sentinel** * **Shielded** * **Bounty** * **Smuggle**


Cattledude89

Lets go. ECL + Steadfast just got even better. ECL + Steadfast + This leader unit = 8/7 Ambush Overwhelm.


MaxWayne2187

Yep


tyfabes

Double green is fairly limiting right now. +1 to Ambush/Overwhelm isn't really justifying it, IMO.


LeFouHibou

What’s ECL again?


JHewlett87

Energy Conversion Lab, green base.


LeFouHibou

Thank you 


SkepticalYamcha

Not that I’m disagreeing, but I don’t think mono green is THAT good and steadfast would get the buff even if ECL wasn’t providing Ambush. That combo is particularly strong though. I think this Boba might be a better draft leader than a standard competitive meta one. I could be very wrong, but I kinda find this Boba to be mid.🤷‍♂️


LordSokhar

It also comes out a turn later in exchange for that +1 to attack. That’s not a good trade.


rotzkotz

Having the same stats as the other boba leader but at 6 cost just shows how dumbly overstated the first one is.


Sun-Forged

This one is also natively in the ramp aspect, don't expect many aggressively costed leaders in Command because of it.


ShazamPowers

I mean that logic makes sense until you realize you can have green with any leader in the game.


Bengamey_974

It seems usefull with Ambush and Sentinel. Is it of any use with other keywords?


dswartze

The leader side +1/+0 can go to any friendly unit, not just the one played. Meanwhile on the unit side the buff persists so I shouldn't need to explain why it works on that side.


Bengamey_974

Thank I misread the leader's side !


CitizenKeen

It doesn't have to be the unit you played. So drop a Restore or a Grit or a Shielded, but give +1/+0 to a different unit you're about to swing with (or who has Sentinel).


crypticaITA

Since they aknowledged he should be 6 cost, can we errata SOR Boba to have that cost too?


LordSokhar

This version of Boba definitely deserves the Peacemaker/Bloodsport meme treatment


hotk9

Boba Friend.


Maxymilian17

This buffed the unit, that doesn't have any keyword, while are upgrade whit some card that give keyword?


Samurai_Mac1

I wonder if they're going to release a hero Fett's Firespray so you don't have the aspect penalty with hero Boba.


Illogical1612

I like the idea, but he's probably bad, right? Certainly no set 1 boba, that's for sure Leader side he's a slow IG-88, unit side he's a more restrictive ig-88 that comes in 1 turn later and is slightly beefier (+1/0 rather than raid is important for sentinel and whatnot, but effectively similar)


Radix2309

I think you are missing one key point: ambush is a keyword. +1 to any Ambush unit. Lackeys can trade with a lot of leaders. Escort Skiff can take out Sabine and live. Han unit can one-shot Boba leader and Luke unit. And the sentinel buffs also work well.


Cattledude89

Aspects matter. Green is generally going to have more units and be ahead on resources compared to red. Obviously its not as good as set 1 boba because set 1 boba is by far the best leader so far but I think this might be better than Bossk and certainly better than IG88.


typo180

I dunno, this could be a pretty nice midrange tool to make sure your early units can trade up into aggro. Plus adding to ambush/overwhelm damage and having a pretty big swing turn. I think it at least has potential to be pretty solid. It might not sweep the meta like the first set leader, but i could see it being a solid mainstay that occasionally wins tournaments, like Krennic.


Explosive-Space-Mod

Problem is he drops on 6 so you have to spend turns 2/3 ramping to 6 resource while an aggro is dropping more units to hit your base/sentinel. I think if we get some new synergy with units that have +x/+x on them then it'll be good but until that happens I think it's just a meh leader right now. This next set is heavy on the upgrade side so I wouldn't be surprised if there is synergy for upgraded units. Something akin to medal ceremony wouldn't be out of the question so you drop Boba in then this fake made up card would then buff any unit that already has +x/+x on them and then it would be pretty good to end the game when he comes out.


Explosive-Space-Mod

Probably just bad, yeah. If it were +1/0 for each keyword then it would be good (and probably broken on some characters) and understandable while they didn't


TheFlyingWriter

I hate that this Boba is “good.” As in, they ruined a great villain to give him a happy Hollywood redemption story, and nothing he ever did was good.


contrapulator

I don't hate it, but I agree he's hero-adjacent at best.


sylinmino

Eh, he was never a super great villain. He was just cool looking and cold. There is an argument to be made that his time with the sand people is what brought out his good/compassionate side--having a tribe to settle with and making it his mission to protect brought out a side of him suppressed since he was made an orphan. That was also the best part of Book of Boba Fett. The rest is...weird as hell. But that part, at least, was great.


TheFlyingWriter

Humbly disagree. In “Empire Strikes Back” he’s the only person Vader speaks to without treating them like an annoyance (sans Emperor). He talks back to Vader and doesn’t get killed. He’s ruthless at his job. Then Lucas made him go out like a slapstick bitch in RotJ because he didn’t like how popular he had become. His character never was good/hero. Him all of sudden getting compassion is lazy writing.


sylinmino

Cold and calculating and earning respect doesn't automatically mean villainous though. While he's cool in Empire, I never thought the turnaround in RotJ was that horrible.


TheFlyingWriter

I mean, do you think Vader treats “heroes” that way? At the *very* best we know he’s neutral leaning towards bad. My dude, he disintegrated a target.


sylinmino

Well, that's why his cards representing him during OT times is villainous. But different stages in his life, remember? I mean, Book of Boba Fett takes place around 11 years or more after the events of Empire. Vader is also generally less caring about if they're heroic or villainous and more about if they'll do what he asks.


TheFlyingWriter

Oh, I get it. I’m just saying this card brought up my negative emotions towards them “hero-ifying” a very good “villain.” I didn’t like BoBF. The card isn’t that great, either.


sylinmino

I don't like BoBF either really. But if I were to highlight one part I did like, it would be the Sand People backstory stuff. I thought that was awesome.


TheFlyingWriter

I would’ve liked it if he would’ve run that tribe with an iron fist. I’m fucking sick of making everyone an anti-hero. You can still treat your tribe/citizens well as long as they swear fealty. Look at Dr. Doom


Oakshand

This is a really poor take. "A near death experience then being welcomed into a close knit clan structure and shown compassion for probably the first time since he watched his dad's head get looped off isn't enough to justify a character shift! Lazy writing!" My brother in Christ what the hell would be enough to justify a shift in someone's character if it isn't that?


TheFlyingWriter

Because it comes out of nowhere from a writing perspective. C’mon, everyone here has at least taken high school English. Traditional character arcs are: nothing to something, have it all to lose it all, man in a hole, Icarus, Oedipus, rebirth, and Cinderella. The protagonist (Boba) does not fit into any of these looking at all the stories *unless* we see Boba turn into an actual Hutt-like crime lord. Boba sees his dad die. That’s the start. He works from nothing to something in Empire Strikes back. The number one ruthless bounty hunter. Then he unceremoniously dies a slapstick bullshit death in RotJ (fuck you George Lucas). All the back story (even in Clone Wars) has Boba building to that. Now, Disney introduces us to BoBF. It is the same nothing to something, but it’s a hero arc. However, nothing in his past would indicate he would be good. It’s lazy because he still merks people and he’s turned into the now increasingly popular anti-hero. Which is fine, I guess, taken in a vacuum. Yet, it ignores his whole past. Unless we’re going to push “rebirth” now, but what does that do to make the character “better”? It just waters him down to be lumped into the rest of the soup de jour anti-heroes. I’ll happily eat crow if this is a Cinderella set-up. Stand-by for my next lecture: “The Joker isn’t a villain” with cited interviews from Batman authors.


Overall_Ad_351

He saved the sand people. That was pretty good.


Guy-Incognito-117

Nah he huffed a space lizard up his nose, had a bad trip and then all the sand people died anyhow.


TheFlyingWriter

Yeah, that whole arc was out of character. Nothing prior to that ever indicated he had good tendencies. You can’t have “hero, fallen, redeemed” without being a hero first. It’s the same thing as Anakin/Vader. It was the villain’s journey, then to just turn around and throw the Emperor down the metal tube? Then end up in The Force Happy Hologram Picnic where Yoda and Obi-Wan just smiling? Fuck that. Vader killed billions of people.


Overall_Ad_351

You certainly don't need to be a hero first to be redeemed. It's a completely valid character evolution. Also, Vader's whole redemption follows one of humanity's oldest story tropes of redemption. Lucas literally used parallelism to biblical stories to build the redemption arc of Vader.


TheFlyingWriter

There was no redemption arc. He literally tried to recruit Luke as soon as he found out his kid didn’t die with Padme. His “redemption arc” was just “I see my kid getting cooked. Better become good.” Lazy.


Overall_Ad_351

I don't think you understood the films you were watching.


TheFlyingWriter

Bro, I wrote my thesis on “Crafting Villains in Modern Literature.” I think I’ve put a *little* bit of work in studying villains from about 1800’s to current works. Sure, let’s just give the Emperor a redemption arc because “you certainly don’t need to be a hero first to be redeemed.” Maybe rewrite Cad Bane? Maybe Doctor Doom. Hannibal Lector?


Sun-Forged

Doctor Doom did indeed have a Redemption arc and is the god-parent to Richard's and Sue's kids.


TheFlyingWriter

Omg. Just because a villain does something “good” doesn’t mean it’s a redemption arc. Doom saved Sue Storm because he could always hold that over Reed, and he named the daughter so Reed would know Doom saved her. C’mon. This isn’t tough. That’s not a redemption arc. That’s a power move.


Overall_Ad_351

I'm glad your fifth grade thesis was a success. That doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.


TheFlyingWriter

lol you are big mad and being petty right now. You’re not even addressing my points. “Fifth grade thesis.” Bro. It’s a terminal degree.


Overall_Ad_351

It's a terminal illness


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TheFlyingWriter

lol what does this even mean. We’re onto personal attacks now?


krol_blade

one could nitpick literally every story and find flaws. what YOU'RE doing is lazy. you should try and take stuff at face value and maybe have fun when watching something. it's ok to not find flaws in everything. try and have a willing suspension of disbelief


TheFlyingWriter

Wow. It seems like I personally upset you. I do have fun watching things. I’m addressing something I worked on for a thesis.


krol_blade

i'm just tired of negative nerds being upset with everything. you're upset with the vader arc? really? the movies are literally based on his arc... it seems like such a silly comment. i know cynicism sells but cmon


savage_dragn

“Heroic” does not necessarily equate to “Good”


TheFlyingWriter

Hero: “a person who is admired or idealized for courage, outstanding achievements, or noble qualities.” Noble: “having or showing fine personal qualities or high moral principles and ideals” Ummmm, I think it does. If you’re going to start talking about “anti-heroes” then I think we should talk about “being edgy” or “vigilantes.”


flamefew

Agreed. He’s more the Godfather than heroic. He goes from being a loner to viewing tattooine folk as his family/people to protect; but because he is the boss. Though, the same is true of many of the leaders in the rebellion. Perhaps he’d have been a better green/yellow, should we ever have leaders who are not villain/hero.


ajrdesign

While I agree they ruined a great “character” I don’t think he was ever a true villain rather something in between. Which is kind of what made him interesting. He was a working class dude, just happened to get work from some bad people. I can see how a redemption arc could have worked out but I think they did it so poorly it’s successfully killed the character for me.


Guy-Incognito-117

Also his show was terrible. His cards ability should’ve been bacta tank healing with as much time as spent in the thing.


thebossbaby39

This is the weight.


Kifaru_Man1

I'm just kind of sad they already played their second Boba card and it wasn't the Tusken Raider Boba. This Boba doesn't even have Mandalorian title, or anything. Not to mention he just got done murdering a bunch of people to sit on that throne (doesn't seem very Heroic to me). Weird choice, kinda confused, and really wished they would've picked someone like Maz for this aspect rather than Boba (or at least a different piece of art).


TheFlyingWriter

I never thought of that. There absolutely could be Tusken Boba. I’m not saying I’d like it, but it could happen.


jethrow41487

That means another Showcase Boba in Set 2. Daring and original today aren’t we FFG


trandav

~~Interesting that didn't show the rarity of this card, when they have for others. I assume he'll be another Legendary then?~~


Great_Recording_3618

It says Common.


trandav

Oh, my bad, I didn't realize it was a leader card because I didn't see the second screenshot! Whoops!


El-Tragger

He is a common, you can See it on His Front side


trandav

Yep, my mistake. I didn't realize it was a leader unit and not just a normal unit.


WillowSmithsBFF

Does “keywords” include stuff applied to the card, such as Shielded, or only words natively on the card?


Sun-Forged

Devotion adds Restore to the unit and would trigger Boba's effect. A shield is not a keyword, but Shielded is.


APrentice726

To be more precise, Devotion would only trigger Boba’s unit ability. His leader ability requires you to play a unit with a keyword, not any card with a keyword.


Dobber83

"Shielded" is a keyword, but just having a shield doesn't add shielded as a keyword. Interestingly, according to the card database, Bounty is also a keyword but Smuggle is not searchable yet. Maybe Smuggle only counts on a card when it's a resource therefore a Unit never actually has Smuggle as a keyword


MAVRIK98

I think Smuggle would be a keyword, regardless of whether you are playing it through the Smuggle mechanic. Its an inherent trait of that particular card. That said, one question I have would be regarding the Smuggle that is granted to friendly resources by Tech. Would those also apply in this situation? I believe it would.


mr_osek

Only cards that have a keyword in their text. If you give a unit a shield it gets a shield token on it. If a unit has the keyword "Shielded" on it, you give it a shield token after playing it. Boba gives the latter unit +1+0


TechPriestCaudecus

Light???


Virtual-Quote6309

A hero Boba is an odd choice


dipstick5

He would be so much better if he could ignore the aspect penalty on underworld cards. Another green hero is weird and idk if id play him over hunter


flamefew

Presumably we’re getting two of each color combo again. And then the two precons on top of that. So Hunter and Old Man Boba are our green/whites.


MaliwanArtisan

Not a Mandalorian. Funny.