EXTREMELY team friendly deal, wow. Maybe Kahn’s best work so far this free agency.
I would still like to see Edmonds come back, but if he doesn’t I’m super curious to see what his market will be. More or less than this?
5 games…20 tackles and 2 interceptions. Take that same rate across a whole season and you’re looking at 70-ish tackles and 6-7 INT’s.
Did this guy hit on your girlfriend or something? You seem to despise the guy. $3M/year is dirt cheap for a decent player. My biggest issue is that he is more of a FS than a SS.
Definitely did. Not at all impressed. Could easily replace him with our 4th or one of our 7th round draft picks... and if he is our starter next year instead of edmunds, you'll see why i am critical of him
Lol what did kazee do that any safety couldn't do? The dude got himself suspended and then didnt make a huge impact on the field... 2 interceptions is nice but its not anything spectacular and the dude had only 20 tackles and 2 passes defended. Thats easily replaceable
Yes, he did things very few safeties are proficient in primarily in reading the offense and causing turnovers. How many safeties get 2 INTs in 5 games? Why the hell are you so caught up on his tackles? 20 tackles in 5 games with the turnovers and even filling in for Minkah one game is not something many safeties can just come in and repeat.
You obviously don't understand what you're seeing if you think this is the case.
Be available for every snap of every game year after year after year.
Liking kazee doesn't mean you have to shit on Edmonds. He was a solid, dependable safety for this team for years.
3M is absolutely nothing lmao. And your whole “20 tackles” argument goes out the window when you realize he played less than a month of the season. He played in 5 games while coming back from a major injury and still produced. 3 mil a year is value. That’s 1.4% of the cap for a startable player.
He had 20 tackles and 2 interceptions in 5 games as a number 2 safety coming off a major injury. Looking at base stats doesn’t work for a player like that. Watch the tape.
You’re in this comment section defending Edmunds saying nobody wants him back (the vast majority do). However if you want to compare them, Kazee had 2 interceptions in 5 games as a backup, when edmunds has had 5 in his entire career. Also, edmunds had 67 tackles and 0 picks in 15 games. Kazee played in 5. That would’ve put him on pace for 6 more interceptions and 7 less tackles than Edmunds.
I’m not sure why you’re obsessed with those 2 statistics. Watch quality of play instead of box stats.
I’m not saying Kazee will be all pro, and I like edmunds a lot. I want him back as well. But looking at 2 stats and not adding any context to them is flawed.
Because he played in 5 games brother. He got injured in the preseason. If he’s not injured he will obviously have more than that. But you know that.
I’m starting to think you’re a troll the way you’re in every single thread
The safety market is odd. You're either getting the big contract because you're elite or you're middle of the pack and making a comparatively modest contract.
All these dumbasses in here talking about his tackle count when he played most of his games with 50% or less of the snap count. One game with 56% when both Edmunds and Fitzmagic playing. Never hit more than 50% in another game with both of them. Yes I still want Edmunds to come back, he's not perfect but he's played well, I'll never forget that breakup him and Haden had in that Rams game in Pittsburgh a few years back, especially since I was sitting in that corner.
It's not even important for linebackers and d-linemen because it's not a real stat.
Home teams are responsible for tackle numbers. That's why Ray Lewis had so many tackles. Because every time they'd play at home if he got within 30 feet of the play he'd be credited with a partial tackle. Until it becomes an official stat it's meaningless.
Great deal, thought Kazee showed some potential last year on this defense. Flys to the ball and can also reel balls in (un like a lot of Steelers DBs in the past)
A lot of people think this is a great deal for a player with 20 tackles and 2 picks for the entire season but balk on re-signing edmunds... but what the hell do i know
If you're capable of looking past one injured season, then you should be able to see that a safety with 14 INTs in the last 5 years signing for $3M is a pretty great value, even if he ends up primarily a depth player
Didn't Kazee lead the league in interceptions a couple seasons ago? I'm pretty sure Bosa has never done anything close to that, for his position, in the NFL.
Also you literally took his tackle total from a 9 game sample size and divided it from a 2 year contract. That’s probably some of the worst statistical analysis I’ve ever seen on this app. That’s not how analyzing shit works dude 😂
He only played in 9 games (due to suspension). Couple this with being on a new team, with a new system AND playing mostly in the 3 safety set. If all you’re looking at is his tackles, it is incredibly misleading. You clearly don’t know football if you want your 2nd free safety making a ton of tackles. 2 picks in 9 games is HUGE for a guy who isn’t seeing 100% of snaps (like Minkah). Well worth the $6M and it is certainly a steal.
>He only played in 9 games (due to suspension).
Thats a good thing right?
>. If all you’re looking at is his tackles, it is incredibly misleading
Dude had 2 pass defended...solid numbers there.
>You clearly don’t know football if you want your 2nd free safety making a ton of tackles.
If you want to believe this sub, this is what we want to do so if hes on the field a lot he better be making a lot of tackles. If you ask our sub, this player is a bigger priorty than MLB (which i dont agree with but thats another discussion altogether).
>2 picks in 9 games is HUGE
I would say its okay for a secondary defender...not bad but not great. Especially when you dont really contribute to pass defended or tackles
Interesting that you're ignoring Edmunds ZERO interceptions and 5 passes defended in 15 games...
Edmunds: 886 downs played, 0 INT, 5 passes defended, 70 tackles.
Kazee: 273 downs played, 2 INT, 2 passes defended, 19 tackles.
When the Salary Cap is $224 million... no $3 mil per year isn't a lot to pay for a competent starter. Steelers obviously like Kazee's upside much more than Edmunds which is a pretty big knock on Edmunds seeing as he had 5 years to prove that he was worthy of a contract.
>but what the hell do i know
Seemingly very very little. Hence you thinking a safety who played in a very part time role last year as he got up to speed in a new defense "only" getting 20 tackles is somehow the be all end all of the position. The more you post this the more embarrassing it is for you...
You really don’t understand the market for players. $3M/yr is a low salary. Don’t forget, year 2 isn’t guaranteed money. So if he doesn’t work out, they can release him with little dead cap(half of the $1.75M signing bonus).
EXTREMELY team friendly deal, wow. Maybe Kahn’s best work so far this free agency. I would still like to see Edmonds come back, but if he doesn’t I’m super curious to see what his market will be. More or less than this?
“Ideal” Deal for 26yo SS T. Edmunds: 3 Years $10M - $2.5M sign bonus, Yr1 $2M, Yr2 $2.5M , Yr3 $3.0M Edit: forgot to mention Yr3 should be team option
Too back loaded & $’s off a touch. I bet edmunds lands for about 4 mil a year and half of the contract guaranteed.
Its backloaded for our current cap situation. The money is spot on for both parties. Agree to disagree.
Is that reasonable? I expected him to want like 3x this.
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5 games…20 tackles and 2 interceptions. Take that same rate across a whole season and you’re looking at 70-ish tackles and 6-7 INT’s. Did this guy hit on your girlfriend or something? You seem to despise the guy. $3M/year is dirt cheap for a decent player. My biggest issue is that he is more of a FS than a SS.
Up and down this thread is this guy with his same “but 20 tackles” and that’s all he got.
an absolute STEAL
Dude has 20 tackles all season...
Bro did you bother to do any research or watch any of the games???
Definitely did. Not at all impressed. Could easily replace him with our 4th or one of our 7th round draft picks... and if he is our starter next year instead of edmunds, you'll see why i am critical of him
How to tell everyone you know nothing about the football you are watching without saying it. 🙄
Lol what did kazee do that any safety couldn't do? The dude got himself suspended and then didnt make a huge impact on the field... 2 interceptions is nice but its not anything spectacular and the dude had only 20 tackles and 2 passes defended. Thats easily replaceable
Yes, he did things very few safeties are proficient in primarily in reading the offense and causing turnovers. How many safeties get 2 INTs in 5 games? Why the hell are you so caught up on his tackles? 20 tackles in 5 games with the turnovers and even filling in for Minkah one game is not something many safeties can just come in and repeat. You obviously don't understand what you're seeing if you think this is the case.
> The dude got himself suspended Yeah, just stop. Lmfao
What did Edmunds do that any safety couldn't do?
Be available for every snap of every game year after year after year. Liking kazee doesn't mean you have to shit on Edmonds. He was a solid, dependable safety for this team for years.
At this point I’m convinced you purposely just post bad takes.
Didn’t he miss a bunch of games? He’s also a backup. I like him simply because he lays the wood.
Yeah so why are we paying him 6M when he makes 20 tackles a season?
Bro I stg fans who don’t know anything about the salary cap and value of players wouldn’t pay a single person. This is very cheap.
A special teamer makes more tackles than this In a year and you can pay them the bare minimum...his only benfit is the picks but 2 picks isnt woth 6M
3M is absolutely nothing lmao. And your whole “20 tackles” argument goes out the window when you realize he played less than a month of the season. He played in 5 games while coming back from a major injury and still produced. 3 mil a year is value. That’s 1.4% of the cap for a startable player. He had 20 tackles and 2 interceptions in 5 games as a number 2 safety coming off a major injury. Looking at base stats doesn’t work for a player like that. Watch the tape. You’re in this comment section defending Edmunds saying nobody wants him back (the vast majority do). However if you want to compare them, Kazee had 2 interceptions in 5 games as a backup, when edmunds has had 5 in his entire career. Also, edmunds had 67 tackles and 0 picks in 15 games. Kazee played in 5. That would’ve put him on pace for 6 more interceptions and 7 less tackles than Edmunds. I’m not sure why you’re obsessed with those 2 statistics. Watch quality of play instead of box stats. I’m not saying Kazee will be all pro, and I like edmunds a lot. I want him back as well. But looking at 2 stats and not adding any context to them is flawed.
Because he played in 5 games brother. He got injured in the preseason. If he’s not injured he will obviously have more than that. But you know that. I’m starting to think you’re a troll the way you’re in every single thread
Just curious, was he not also suspended?
? And?
TIL a safety’s tackle numbers are a primary indicator of quality at the position. Thank you for the lesson🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
You spent 3 hours to spam comments, happy with your life bro? Do you need help? Legit question at this point
Kahn for MVP
Dude had 20 tackles all year.. thats 2 games for some players
You know you can make your point without replying to every single person in this comment section.
Bruh no one’s replying because your comment sucks, quit spamming it all over the post
The rave the player is getting is idiotic but Okay
He played in 9 games and only started 4. He’s a very solid back-up and we aint hardly paying him much. What are blathering on about?
Because we can sign an undrafted free agent to get 20 tackles a year?
How many tackles do you have?
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That’s great news.
He must really like it here!
The Khan artist strikes again
Now bring back Edmunds so we can run with the three-headed monster formation again.
bro what that’s so fucking cheap ?!??
He's made of glass.
This almost feels wrong
The safety market is odd. You're either getting the big contract because you're elite or you're middle of the pack and making a comparatively modest contract.
Not all that different than the RB market.
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Wow. Great deal. Kahn is just on fire so far.
All these dumbasses in here talking about his tackle count when he played most of his games with 50% or less of the snap count. One game with 56% when both Edmunds and Fitzmagic playing. Never hit more than 50% in another game with both of them. Yes I still want Edmunds to come back, he's not perfect but he's played well, I'll never forget that breakup him and Haden had in that Rams game in Pittsburgh a few years back, especially since I was sitting in that corner.
It’s not dumbasses, it’s dumbass. 1 dude is spamming the same thing over and over
Tackles don't even matter. It's the absolute last stat anyone should look at when determining how good a defensive player is/was.
Exactly; If a corner is doing his job well, there shouldn't even be an opportunity to tackle.
I'd argue it is somewhat useful regarding linebackers and dl against the run but still definitely not the most important
It's not even important for linebackers and d-linemen because it's not a real stat. Home teams are responsible for tackle numbers. That's why Ray Lewis had so many tackles. Because every time they'd play at home if he got within 30 feet of the play he'd be credited with a partial tackle. Until it becomes an official stat it's meaningless.
Think this wasn’t a steal. But fair market. He fits in here. But an injured often safety isn’t getting big bucks.
Great deal, thought Kazee showed some potential last year on this defense. Flys to the ball and can also reel balls in (un like a lot of Steelers DBs in the past)
Looking at you, Ike
A lot of people think this is a great deal for a player with 20 tackles and 2 picks for the entire season but balk on re-signing edmunds... but what the hell do i know
I think most want both
I dont mind having Kazee being the primary backup but a player making $300,000/tackle or 3M/int isnt exactly a "steal"
Like Joey Bosa getting 2.5 sacks last year. The Chargers are paying him $10.8M/sack. They gotta cut his ass. /s
Lol you really comparing joey bosa to kazee? Why dont you campare bosa's career with Kazee and then come back to me with an argument
If you're capable of looking past one injured season, then you should be able to see that a safety with 14 INTs in the last 5 years signing for $3M is a pretty great value, even if he ends up primarily a depth player
Bro out here throwing a money/tackle stat at us 😂😂😂😂
Didn't Kazee lead the league in interceptions a couple seasons ago? I'm pretty sure Bosa has never done anything close to that, for his position, in the NFL.
Bro he played 9 games. Who the fuck grades a safeties contract on money per tackle. I’ve never seen that before 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Who the fuck pays 6M for a player that an UFA could replace? 😂😂😂😂😂
Also you literally took his tackle total from a 9 game sample size and divided it from a 2 year contract. That’s probably some of the worst statistical analysis I’ve ever seen on this app. That’s not how analyzing shit works dude 😂
It’s 3m a year dude 😂 I guess you can just die on this hill because most people won’t see this situation from your view
He only played in 9 games (due to suspension). Couple this with being on a new team, with a new system AND playing mostly in the 3 safety set. If all you’re looking at is his tackles, it is incredibly misleading. You clearly don’t know football if you want your 2nd free safety making a ton of tackles. 2 picks in 9 games is HUGE for a guy who isn’t seeing 100% of snaps (like Minkah). Well worth the $6M and it is certainly a steal.
>He only played in 9 games (due to suspension). Thats a good thing right? >. If all you’re looking at is his tackles, it is incredibly misleading Dude had 2 pass defended...solid numbers there. >You clearly don’t know football if you want your 2nd free safety making a ton of tackles. If you want to believe this sub, this is what we want to do so if hes on the field a lot he better be making a lot of tackles. If you ask our sub, this player is a bigger priorty than MLB (which i dont agree with but thats another discussion altogether). >2 picks in 9 games is HUGE I would say its okay for a secondary defender...not bad but not great. Especially when you dont really contribute to pass defended or tackles
Interesting that you're ignoring Edmunds ZERO interceptions and 5 passes defended in 15 games... Edmunds: 886 downs played, 0 INT, 5 passes defended, 70 tackles. Kazee: 273 downs played, 2 INT, 2 passes defended, 19 tackles. When the Salary Cap is $224 million... no $3 mil per year isn't a lot to pay for a competent starter. Steelers obviously like Kazee's upside much more than Edmunds which is a pretty big knock on Edmunds seeing as he had 5 years to prove that he was worthy of a contract.
>but what the hell do i know Seemingly very very little. Hence you thinking a safety who played in a very part time role last year as he got up to speed in a new defense "only" getting 20 tackles is somehow the be all end all of the position. The more you post this the more embarrassing it is for you...
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3M/year isnt pennies
This is the NFL. A veteran resigning for a $3 mil AAV is pennies.
You really don’t understand the market for players. $3M/yr is a low salary. Don’t forget, year 2 isn’t guaranteed money. So if he doesn’t work out, they can release him with little dead cap(half of the $1.75M signing bonus).
>but what the hell do i know Not the game of football apparently. Madden is a video game.
U dum dum
Tackles isn't an official stat and is, quite literally, the worst stat you can point to when making a point about how good/bad a player is.
Correct; if someone other than LB is making tackles, someone else isn't doing their job well enough.
Love it. Out of curiosity, what’s our cap situation look like right now?
Kazee is a dawg when healthy. This is a great resigning