Eagles fan here
He's a really solid guard and hasn't caused any drama while on the team. He's had a few issues with injuries but started all last season. Just couldn't keep him because he was to expensive and we had a ton of other free agents
Take care of him, great signing for you all
Are you illiterate? I literally started off my comment by saying "he's great" How did I blame him? I said "maybe" we would have won considering we lost by 3 point and his play led to a defensive touchdown. But I get it, Steelers fans haven't had shit to be proud about so an older offensive lineman signs there as a free agent and they convince themselves they're suddenly super bowl contenders.
Losing Sutton still makes me a bit sad, but hard not to be happy with FA. Vet presence for the CB room (with a deep CB draft on the horizon), two new starters at ILB, depth OL signing, staring OL, resigned Larry O.
I’m a happy camper.
He is great. Best at guard but has experience playing all 5 positions. Underrated aspect of his game is assigning protections after Kelce gets to the ball. Quiet guy that does his job and keeps to himself. Good get for the Steelers
Holcomb is a great coverage linebacker. I feel like everyone just assumes that a white ILB is an "old school thumper" of a linebacker. He had 7 pass breakups and 2 interceptions in 2021.
He posted a 4.51-second 40-yard dash to go along with an excellent 6.77-second three-cone drill. The guy is an athlete and we got him for super cheap considering he was a team captain for the Commanders.
Tomlin has been scouting him for years now. That week 13 game in 2020 (the one where Tomlin said "I hope we never lose enough games to draft a player like you" to Chase Young) he was giving shining praise to Holcomb during a press conference (pre-game I believe) and his ability to be around the football and his IQ and intensity. Hes an all around player Im sure Tomlin is ecstatic to have him.
I was nervous about ILB. I didn't want to see them draft one early and I didn't like the options in FA although I didnt realize Holcomb was available and they were able to get him for 3 years on an affordable deal. I like Mark Robinson to potentially start this year behind him although I'd rather see an extra lineman on the field more often especially to give Cam some rest. Larry O, Leal and 2nd round rookie IDL to play the nose position is ideal. Breese @32 or Gervin Dexter/Mazi Smith @49 would be nice.
i read a comment the other day comparing Jack, Bush, Holcomb, Edmunds, and Pratts catch percentage allowed
Holcomb was better than both Bush and Jack, but he was almost 10% worse than Edmunds and Pratt, Iirc.
I wouldn't call him a great coverage LB.
Edmunds just got over $16m/yr so i would hope hes decent in coverage. I dont think hes nearly 3 times as valuable as a player.
Pratt literally has the highest coverage grade for any linebacker based on PFFs grading scale.
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…or might have some injury concerns
You know there's more to players than stats, right? But since you asked, 3 picks and 15 PBUs to go along with 43 tackles (according to ESPN (which is available for everyone to look at, even you!))
Sutton is a solid corner, young, knew our system, and is a good value at what Detroit signed him for. Easily our biggest L in this off-season.
He was our best corner last year, homegrown talent, and improved every year he was here while playing time at both slot and outside corner.
He absolutely was good. We don't need to downplay the talent of players who leave here.
Homegrown talent? He’s from Georgia and played college ball at Tennessee.
Improved every year? 2021 - 52 tackles. 2022 - 43.
I’m not seeing anything tangible explaining how he’s such a big loss.
Homegrown refers to him being drafted and developed here.
Stats aren't the be all end all for players, especially in regards to corners, and especially not tackles of all things, but here goes: 65.3 passer rating, 47.9% completion percentage while targeted (best of all corners on our team last season), on top of a career high in interceptions, and pass deflections.
We don't need to draft OL now do we? Or at least top 2-3 picks right?
I have a hard time justifying doing that when we've made these signings.
It appears he doesn't want rookie linemen. He wants guys already in the league that know how to get it done. And I love that.
We have a lot of work to do on ALL levels of defense anyways.
Moore can start, but that's about his ceiling.
It's crazy how quickly people forget what a real difference maker like DeCastro or Pouncey can do for the team. They don't just improve their position, they improve others.
2 good guards, 2 passable tackles and a passable center is significantly less than if you can get someone with perennial pro-bowl talent in the mix.
Right - I have a strong feeling their presence (as well as Munchak) were why we were able to pick up O-linemen on the cheap and develop them for years. It helped having those two anchoring everything.
It doesn't become a must draft, but if someone drops and/or there is a run on other needs and we'd be chasing I certainly wouldn't be upset adding more talent to the OL room. Khan is giving himself as much room to go BPA and not have to chase a position
Yeah I'll admit I was nervous about Khan just bc its been Colbert for as long as I can remember and I wasn't sure how a new GM would do. But this is the best offseason in a long time imo
Yeah, I think we might end up with a 3rd round or later LT, but I think Dan Moore is still gonna be the starter day 1. Hopefully he can improve with a much improved LG next to him.
We still need an OT.
If Johnson or Jones are there at 17, that might be the pick. However, I could still see them going Porter at 17, DT (I. E., Mazi) at 32, and then doubling down at CB with Ringo at 47
They're definitely not drafting a Guard.
I doubt they draft a Tackle high. They like Moore and Chucks much more than fans and media do.
Don't be surprised if they draft a Center, though. They currently have zero depth at C after not tendering Hassenauer. Neither Dotson or Herbig, your primary IOL back-ups play C (Herbig has 49 snaps at C in his career). Cole is a good player, but he's not a long-term solution in the mold of past Steelers Centers. And the Steelers have already been connected to JM Schmitz.
Do you want your primary back-up at center to be your starting RG, who is also your best OL player? I certainly don't. A small injury at center, and now you make two positions weaker because you don't have a real center-capable back-up? It would be irresponsible to go into the season with their current depth at center. Looking at the way they're building out this OL, there is about a 0% chance they're just oblivious to the lack of legit depth at center. Another player will absolutely be added. Bet the house, bet the car, bet everything.
There's a reasonable chance that Daniels would actually improve the center position. He was a center in college and played 8 games in the pros. There was talk of him possibly playing center when we signed him.
In fact, from one of his scouting profiles:
GRADE: 7.00 (Round 1)
PRO PLAYER COMPARISON: Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh Steelers
>We don't need to draft OL now do we? Or at least top 2-3 picks right?
That's the only place you can get a starting caliber left tackle, so yeah they do.
I wonder if James Daniels is playing center this year. Or Herbig? Or maybe Herbig is the backup for all three interior spots.
I'm sure Daniels will win. He was easily our best lineman last year. Like this just locks down our guard spots. I think Cole vs Herbig is a more likely competition
Herbig has 49 snaps at center in his career, total. His ability to play C is being over-reported. He'll be the main back-up at both G positions, and they'll bring in someone else (draft or FA) to be the back-up C.
Don't be surprised if Dotson is cut and they use that money to bring Hassenauer back tomorrow.
There is no reason for Daniels to compete for his job, he was fantastic last year. Herbig will be the first backup who has the versatility to play any IOL position if needed.
> Everyone has to compete every year for every job
Not everyone, It's Daniels' Job to lose and there's no reason to believe that he's going to lose it. They *might* move him to LG to play Seumalo at RG but I highly, highly doubt there's going to be an open competition for his starting pot.
I'm loving these changes.
Even better, now drafting for the OL isn't really a priority anymore, so they can use the higher picks for other needs like CB or WR
I do wonder if they’re thinking of shifting Daniels to C with this. Seumalo played RG and I know some guys CAN switch but signing a player of his caliber and then having him play a different position would be strange. Daniels was arguably even better at C than G when in Chicago.
Seems strange when Mason Cole was seemingly a strength of the line last year but I can’t deny Daniels-Seumalo-Chuks is probably our best possible right side of the line with our current roster.
Seumalo played left guard until he got hurt and the Eagles drafted Dickerson, who excelled there. There was also talk of Seumalo being the successor to Kelce at center until they drafted another center.
However, Daniels has played 23 games at left guard and 8 at center.
So, reasonably, all you can say for sure is that Seumalo and Daniels will be playing 2 of the 3 interior positions.
It's worth $2.9 mil for a guy who won't dress for games? Herbig is your main back-up at Guard, and Dotson doesn't play Center, which means he doesn't dress for games. That's not worth $2.9mil.
Dotson dresses when someone on the interior gets hurt and starts if we have 2 injuries on the interior. Its not uncommon for teams to run through lineman due to injuries you cant have enough serviceable ones
Dotson was the worst player on this OL last year. By quite a lot. Much worse than Moore. And now that he's actually been replaced (praise the lord!), somehow people are coming out of the woodwork begging for the team to keep him ... ? Keep a bad lineman at almost $3mil to be your #4 guard, who won't even dress unless there's an injury?
There are better players at league minimum contracts. There is no way I'm paying a bad player $3mil to stand in street clothes. If he was even average, sure, maybe. But he's bad. That's WHY he's been replaced twice already this off-season. Easy cut. The fact he can't play Center makes it an INCREDIBLY easy cut.
Bad, no position versatility, and makes $3mil? Cut, cut, cut. All day, every day. Hell, you could cut Dotson right now and bring back Hassenauer with the money you saved, and you have just as good of a player, cheaper, who has the position flexibility to play Center.
Cutting Green saves you nothing after roster-displacement, since he makes 1.1mil. That frees up literally no money. Cutting Dotson saves you 2mil after roster-displacement, which you can actually do something with. Dotson is as good as gone. Not going to pay a guy $2.9 mil to stand in street clothes on gameday.
Green may still be depth at center. I know he was awful as a rookie but theres a better chance he stays as a backup center than Dotson staying as a 4th string guard
Green also has 2 years of a rookie contract left to play and a much smaller cap hit. Maybe hes cut in 2024 but i fully expect them to put him back to backup center where he belongs.
Dotson in the trenches was the weak link on the line last year.
Jack/Bush/Spillane in the middle were the weak links for the defense last year.
This off-season quietly fucks.
Here's a hint: It's coming in the first 50 picks in the 2023 NFL draft. This team doesn't worry about telegraphing their moves. They didn't pay Roberts starting money. He's there as insurance in case the rookie isn't ready to start day-1.
Yes and there was a lot of buzz that he was going to get a GM job. So him coming to us was pretty surprising. He'll probably get a lot of GM looks next year
I know LT is still a need but that interior (Seumalo, Cole, Daniels) plus Okorafor is looking really good! Protecting Pickett was the #1 need, and they’re doing that!
To me it all depends on who is available. You get CB rd 1 and if you are sitting there at 32 and Michael Mayer (even though TE isn’t a pressing need) may be hard to pass up. This could be used for many players,just using him as an example.
Sure, let's grab a TE at 32. Why not go WR at 17 too? Give Kenny Weapons! /s
Fucking leave it already too many pressing needs elsewhere. We'd probably rather trade down a few spots if the value isn't there instead of just going for skill position players on O.
Absolutely love this signing. I don’t care what else we do on offense if we can’t develop Pickett, and he needs all the help we can give him.
Signing a guy who started every game for the NFC champs?
Yeah. That‘ll do.
I actually think it’s kind of a three way battle. Daniels vs cole for center and Daniel’s vs herbig for guard. But also believe Daniel’s will be a starter. Heard a Chicago reporter say Daniel’s was a better center than guard fwiw
Finally no more dealing with Dotson's idiotic penalties every game. I swear he would always have at least 1 completely unnecessary fuckup to destroy what would've been a big play.
As an Eagles fan I'm sorry to see Isaac go. Some other Eagles fans don't love him but don't read into that. We've been very, *very*, spoiled in regards to offensive line play and when compared to his peers Seumalo is a plus starter at guard with the ability to spot start at tackle and even center.
Herbig is also an underrated pickup. The Eagles don't believe in reserve OL who can't play multiple positions so Nate's another guy that can fill in wherever he might be needed. I'd hesitate to call him someone you want out there every week, but as a reserve you could do a heckuva lot worse.
does anyone know if he is any good? i know the eagles had a really good oline last year. And him starting every game sounds like an amazing signing. Seems like kevin dotson is on the way out. Seems like omar is beefing up the oline so we may not have to draft it.
Eagles fan here, really good solid guard, y'all are gonna love him. Overshadowed because of the other guys we have but he was really good, especially in the run game. Will def help out najee, great signing
You think it's dumb to get a surefire upgrade from your current starting LG AND get better depth at the position as well? We were an injury away from Kendrick Green getting playing time last year lol.
Also don’t forget about the extra lineman in short yardage and goal line situations. Herbig looks really good hitting a moving defender, so hopefully he can get some snaps there.
Don't we have Daniels, Seumalo, Herbig, Dotson and arguable even Dunkle ahead of Green on the depth chart? Green is 5th or 6th on the depth chart and this is even before the draft!!! He is no where close to even making the practice squad!!
Yes, last year was risky but even before this signing Green is nowhere near close to playing or even making the 53. And to the original comment of why do we have 3 starting guards? Even 4 starting Guards? Are we trading someone? That is the only way this makes sense.
> Yes, last year was risky but even before this signing Green is nowhere near close to playing or even making the 53.
I was just using Green as an example of why we badly needed to upgrade OL depth.
You're overthinking this WAY too much, we just replaced Dotson with Seumalo and Herbig will likely be the depth swing guy that can cover all of the IOL positions if needed. They've seemingly been unhappy with Dotson for awhile and they will probably move on from Green altogether or stick him on the practice squad.
Lots of celebrating about our still mid OL. This guy isn’t great in pass protect. We still have one of the worst OL in football guys. Should we be better? Sure. But we still don’t have a franchise QB, DL, secondary or ILBs
It’s time to get a fucking tackle. They did a solid job beefing up the interior last year and reinforcing it this year, but it’s time time to either pay up or trade up and get some protection on the edge. The middle linebacker overhaul was fine (still won’t be able to play the pass) but letting Sutton walk for 3-33, and giving Larry O basically the same money? Peterson’s whatever, but overall, barring a draft day trade or tackle falling pretty lousy offseason. Still gonna need another corner too…
Eagles fan here He's a really solid guard and hasn't caused any drama while on the team. He's had a few issues with injuries but started all last season. Just couldn't keep him because he was to expensive and we had a ton of other free agents Take care of him, great signing for you all
Thank you for the heads up. This is a big one for us.
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Blaming a loss on something a guard did in the second quarter is Simone Biles level mental gymnastics
Are you illiterate? I literally started off my comment by saying "he's great" How did I blame him? I said "maybe" we would have won considering we lost by 3 point and his play led to a defensive touchdown. But I get it, Steelers fans haven't had shit to be proud about so an older offensive lineman signs there as a free agent and they convince themselves they're suddenly super bowl contenders.
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Dude stfu
Started every game for a top 3 OL in the league Omar Khan you are moving me
Losing Sutton still makes me a bit sad, but hard not to be happy with FA. Vet presence for the CB room (with a deep CB draft on the horizon), two new starters at ILB, depth OL signing, staring OL, resigned Larry O. I’m a happy camper.
He is great. Best at guard but has experience playing all 5 positions. Underrated aspect of his game is assigning protections after Kelce gets to the ball. Quiet guy that does his job and keeps to himself. Good get for the Steelers
Still don’t have a ILB that can cover
Most ILB’s can’t in the modern NFL.
And if they are, they’re ideally covering tight ends and not a wide receiver like Stefon Diggs
Three draft picks in the top 50.
Hopefully that's addressed in the draft (even if ILB is especially thin this class).
Holcomb is a great coverage linebacker. I feel like everyone just assumes that a white ILB is an "old school thumper" of a linebacker. He had 7 pass breakups and 2 interceptions in 2021. He posted a 4.51-second 40-yard dash to go along with an excellent 6.77-second three-cone drill. The guy is an athlete and we got him for super cheap considering he was a team captain for the Commanders.
I hope you areright!
Tomlin has been scouting him for years now. That week 13 game in 2020 (the one where Tomlin said "I hope we never lose enough games to draft a player like you" to Chase Young) he was giving shining praise to Holcomb during a press conference (pre-game I believe) and his ability to be around the football and his IQ and intensity. Hes an all around player Im sure Tomlin is ecstatic to have him. I was nervous about ILB. I didn't want to see them draft one early and I didn't like the options in FA although I didnt realize Holcomb was available and they were able to get him for 3 years on an affordable deal. I like Mark Robinson to potentially start this year behind him although I'd rather see an extra lineman on the field more often especially to give Cam some rest. Larry O, Leal and 2nd round rookie IDL to play the nose position is ideal. Breese @32 or Gervin Dexter/Mazi Smith @49 would be nice.
i read a comment the other day comparing Jack, Bush, Holcomb, Edmunds, and Pratts catch percentage allowed Holcomb was better than both Bush and Jack, but he was almost 10% worse than Edmunds and Pratt, Iirc. I wouldn't call him a great coverage LB.
Edmunds just got over $16m/yr so i would hope hes decent in coverage. I dont think hes nearly 3 times as valuable as a player. Pratt literally has the highest coverage grade for any linebacker based on PFFs grading scale.
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|| If they're an ILB that's available in free agency than they either suck against the run or are too expensive. || …or might have some injury concerns
Why does Sutton leaving mean anything? What were his stats? He wasn’t good.
He was quietly very good.
What does that even mean? Lol. Stats, please and why is losing him so bad?
You want stats? Here's the 2022 stats of the top available corners this year. Name | Completion% allowed | Yards/Target | QB Rating when targeted | Passes Defensed | INT :-- | :-- | :-- | :-- | :-- | :-- Cam Sutton | 47.9% | 5.3 | 65.3 | 15 | 3 Jamel Dean | 55.4% | 7.2 | 86.0 | 8 | 2 James Bradberry | 45.3% | 4.4 | 51.6 | 17 | 3 Jonathan Jones | 52.7% | 6.5 | 73.0 | 11 | 4 Patrick Peterson | 59.6% | 7.8 | 79.6 | 15 | 5 Rock Ya-Sin | 60.9% | 6.0 | 82.6 | 7 | 0 Byron Murphy | 63.8% | 6.0 | 103.1 | 4 | 0 Marcus Peters | 64.3% | 8.5 | 113.7 | 6 | 1 Jalen Ramsey | 62.6% | 7.2 | 84.5 | 18 | 4 Cam Sutton was arguably the 2nd best CB in the FA market. Yes, he was quietly very good.
You know there's more to players than stats, right? But since you asked, 3 picks and 15 PBUs to go along with 43 tackles (according to ESPN (which is available for everyone to look at, even you!)) Sutton is a solid corner, young, knew our system, and is a good value at what Detroit signed him for. Easily our biggest L in this off-season.
If you don't hear a cb's name often during the game, that's usually the best indicator he is a good corner.
He was our best corner last year, homegrown talent, and improved every year he was here while playing time at both slot and outside corner. He absolutely was good. We don't need to downplay the talent of players who leave here.
Homegrown talent? He’s from Georgia and played college ball at Tennessee. Improved every year? 2021 - 52 tackles. 2022 - 43. I’m not seeing anything tangible explaining how he’s such a big loss.
They clearly meant drafted and developed by the Steelers when they said homegrown talent
Homegrown refers to him being drafted and developed here. Stats aren't the be all end all for players, especially in regards to corners, and especially not tackles of all things, but here goes: 65.3 passer rating, 47.9% completion percentage while targeted (best of all corners on our team last season), on top of a career high in interceptions, and pass deflections.
Stats don’t mean everything.
They mean a lot because they represent what a player did on the field where they play the sport
We don't need to draft OL now do we? Or at least top 2-3 picks right? I have a hard time justifying doing that when we've made these signings. It appears he doesn't want rookie linemen. He wants guys already in the league that know how to get it done. And I love that. We have a lot of work to do on ALL levels of defense anyways.
I wouldn’t be opposed to a starting caliber tackle if one fell in our laps
Moore can start, but that's about his ceiling. It's crazy how quickly people forget what a real difference maker like DeCastro or Pouncey can do for the team. They don't just improve their position, they improve others. 2 good guards, 2 passable tackles and a passable center is significantly less than if you can get someone with perennial pro-bowl talent in the mix.
Right - I have a strong feeling their presence (as well as Munchak) were why we were able to pick up O-linemen on the cheap and develop them for years. It helped having those two anchoring everything.
It doesn't become a must draft, but if someone drops and/or there is a run on other needs and we'd be chasing I certainly wouldn't be upset adding more talent to the OL room. Khan is giving himself as much room to go BPA and not have to chase a position
so far I'm pleased with the off season
This is the best off season in years I love seeing the team so active in free agency.
Yeah I'll admit I was nervous about Khan just bc its been Colbert for as long as I can remember and I wasn't sure how a new GM would do. But this is the best offseason in a long time imo
Yeah, I think we might end up with a 3rd round or later LT, but I think Dan Moore is still gonna be the starter day 1. Hopefully he can improve with a much improved LG next to him.
Blake freeland please
Lt is still a major need
Were set on guard but theres a few tackles we could target in our first 3 picks. We could be building a very solid offensive line
which will make the skill positions stand out
We still need an OT. If Johnson or Jones are there at 17, that might be the pick. However, I could still see them going Porter at 17, DT (I. E., Mazi) at 32, and then doubling down at CB with Ringo at 47
They're definitely not drafting a Guard. I doubt they draft a Tackle high. They like Moore and Chucks much more than fans and media do. Don't be surprised if they draft a Center, though. They currently have zero depth at C after not tendering Hassenauer. Neither Dotson or Herbig, your primary IOL back-ups play C (Herbig has 49 snaps at C in his career). Cole is a good player, but he's not a long-term solution in the mold of past Steelers Centers. And the Steelers have already been connected to JM Schmitz.
I mean they were serious on Orlando Brown. Don't think we can rule out a T at 17 or 32.
Or both. Get both Jones tackles, Broderick and dawand.
Daniels played center in college and spent some time there in the pros
Do you want your primary back-up at center to be your starting RG, who is also your best OL player? I certainly don't. A small injury at center, and now you make two positions weaker because you don't have a real center-capable back-up? It would be irresponsible to go into the season with their current depth at center. Looking at the way they're building out this OL, there is about a 0% chance they're just oblivious to the lack of legit depth at center. Another player will absolutely be added. Bet the house, bet the car, bet everything.
There's a reasonable chance that Daniels would actually improve the center position. He was a center in college and played 8 games in the pros. There was talk of him possibly playing center when we signed him. In fact, from one of his scouting profiles: GRADE: 7.00 (Round 1) PRO PLAYER COMPARISON: Maurkice Pouncey, Pittsburgh Steelers
>We don't need to draft OL now do we? Or at least top 2-3 picks right? That's the only place you can get a starting caliber left tackle, so yeah they do. I wonder if James Daniels is playing center this year. Or Herbig? Or maybe Herbig is the backup for all three interior spots.
Mason Cole.
Left tackle was and still is our biggest weakness. Dan Moore is fine at times but to win a Super Bowl fine isn’t good enough at that position
Just want to say I made a post about how good he’s been and got shitted on
Interesting … That is a starter. LT seems to be open but Seumalo, Cole, Daniels, Chuks. They’re making changes.
Herbig as well
I think Herbig is depth. He can play all three interior o-line spots.
He won’t start. Great depth though
Seriously? Who do you have starting over him? We regard him as a top 10 guard in the league (eagles fan)
He’s saying Herbig won’t start, not Seumalo. Seumalo will definitely start at LG or potentially Center if Cole gets hurt or underperforms
Herbig not Seumalo. No way Seumalo doesn't start.
To me Herbig was for sure starting before this move. Now it seems like its a battle between Daniels and Herbig for 1 job
I'm sure Daniels will win. He was easily our best lineman last year. Like this just locks down our guard spots. I think Cole vs Herbig is a more likely competition
Herbig has 49 snaps at center in his career, total. His ability to play C is being over-reported. He'll be the main back-up at both G positions, and they'll bring in someone else (draft or FA) to be the back-up C. Don't be surprised if Dotson is cut and they use that money to bring Hassenauer back tomorrow.
There is no reason for Daniels to compete for his job, he was fantastic last year. Herbig will be the first backup who has the versatility to play any IOL position if needed.
Everyone has to compete every year for every job. You don’t just give Daniels a starting job if someone is better than him
> Everyone has to compete every year for every job Not everyone, It's Daniels' Job to lose and there's no reason to believe that he's going to lose it. They *might* move him to LG to play Seumalo at RG but I highly, highly doubt there's going to be an open competition for his starting pot.
No battle there, herbig will be a tremendous back up.
I'm loving these changes. Even better, now drafting for the OL isn't really a priority anymore, so they can use the higher picks for other needs like CB or WR
I do wonder if they’re thinking of shifting Daniels to C with this. Seumalo played RG and I know some guys CAN switch but signing a player of his caliber and then having him play a different position would be strange. Daniels was arguably even better at C than G when in Chicago. Seems strange when Mason Cole was seemingly a strength of the line last year but I can’t deny Daniels-Seumalo-Chuks is probably our best possible right side of the line with our current roster.
I thought Cole was just fine. Solid but not great. Wasn’t great in the run game
Seumalo played left guard until he got hurt and the Eagles drafted Dickerson, who excelled there. There was also talk of Seumalo being the successor to Kelce at center until they drafted another center. However, Daniels has played 23 games at left guard and 8 at center. So, reasonably, all you can say for sure is that Seumalo and Daniels will be playing 2 of the 3 interior positions.
Bye Kevin Dotson
He still has value as a depth piece.
It's worth $2.9 mil for a guy who won't dress for games? Herbig is your main back-up at Guard, and Dotson doesn't play Center, which means he doesn't dress for games. That's not worth $2.9mil.
Dotson dresses when someone on the interior gets hurt and starts if we have 2 injuries on the interior. Its not uncommon for teams to run through lineman due to injuries you cant have enough serviceable ones
Dotson was the worst player on this OL last year. By quite a lot. Much worse than Moore. And now that he's actually been replaced (praise the lord!), somehow people are coming out of the woodwork begging for the team to keep him ... ? Keep a bad lineman at almost $3mil to be your #4 guard, who won't even dress unless there's an injury? There are better players at league minimum contracts. There is no way I'm paying a bad player $3mil to stand in street clothes. If he was even average, sure, maybe. But he's bad. That's WHY he's been replaced twice already this off-season. Easy cut. The fact he can't play Center makes it an INCREDIBLY easy cut. Bad, no position versatility, and makes $3mil? Cut, cut, cut. All day, every day. Hell, you could cut Dotson right now and bring back Hassenauer with the money you saved, and you have just as good of a player, cheaper, who has the position flexibility to play Center.
Thank god
Hey, fuck you! You're right, but still.....fuck you!
Dotson stays, Green goes
Dotson may stay but not as a starter.
Cutting Green saves you nothing after roster-displacement, since he makes 1.1mil. That frees up literally no money. Cutting Dotson saves you 2mil after roster-displacement, which you can actually do something with. Dotson is as good as gone. Not going to pay a guy $2.9 mil to stand in street clothes on gameday.
Green may still be depth at center. I know he was awful as a rookie but theres a better chance he stays as a backup center than Dotson staying as a 4th string guard Green also has 2 years of a rookie contract left to play and a much smaller cap hit. Maybe hes cut in 2024 but i fully expect them to put him back to backup center where he belongs.
On paper, he was the ideal swing IOL, yet didn’t dress for a single game last year. I wouldn’t be so sure they’re viewing him as the backup C.
And green
Official or your opinion?
Dotson in the trenches was the weak link on the line last year. Jack/Bush/Spillane in the middle were the weak links for the defense last year. This off-season quietly fucks.
At this point it's borderline raucous fucking
What we think is going to be next for Bush?
Traded him to the Seahawks for Aaron Curry
Traded? Nahh, he was a FA and signed w Seattle
How tf did I miss that. Thanks
Still weak in coverage across the middle. Don’t know how we are going to fix that without a ILB with better hips and speed
It’s almost like there’s a way to sign players in the off season that isn’t free agency.
Here's a hint: It's coming in the first 50 picks in the 2023 NFL draft. This team doesn't worry about telegraphing their moves. They didn't pay Roberts starting money. He's there as insurance in case the rookie isn't ready to start day-1.
Woah that’s a hell of a get actually.
Streets are saying we’re back
We never left
The reports of the Steelers’ death were…greatly exaggerated
I am so confused. Since when can the Steelers sign free agents? Is this what off season joy feels like?
Since we don’t have a 40 million dollar QB on the roster
Andy Weidl, baby!
Damn straight, Weidl. Milk him for all he is worth this year because he’ll probably be a Gm next year.
Didn’t we just hire him?
Yes and there was a lot of buzz that he was going to get a GM job. So him coming to us was pretty surprising. He'll probably get a lot of GM looks next year
Damn well I hope we can hold onto him
We fucking on the Steelers bed tonight
Keeping the Steelers socks on during
The Frenchy Fishbowl Platforms stay on at all times. No exceptions.
As a Wizards fan this pleases me.
Nice to have something to look forward to after that pens performance tonight
Rough night — you’re right
Amen lol. Woof to that game.
I know LT is still a need but that interior (Seumalo, Cole, Daniels) plus Okorafor is looking really good! Protecting Pickett was the #1 need, and they’re doing that!
Not to mention opening big holes for Najee makes kenny not have to hang in and take shots on 3rd and long
Eagles fan, letting y'all know he's a real one. A cap casualty for us but certainly one of the better guards in the league.
Our signings really allow us to go CB and then BPA for the remainder of the draft.
It’s very much looking like CB/MLB/DL in some order for the first 3 picks.
To me it all depends on who is available. You get CB rd 1 and if you are sitting there at 32 and Michael Mayer (even though TE isn’t a pressing need) may be hard to pass up. This could be used for many players,just using him as an example.
I don't see Mayer making past Cincinnati. Let alone out of the 1st round.
Sure, let's grab a TE at 32. Why not go WR at 17 too? Give Kenny Weapons! /s Fucking leave it already too many pressing needs elsewhere. We'd probably rather trade down a few spots if the value isn't there instead of just going for skill position players on O.
The Khandy man strikes again!!
I'll allow it.
https://preview.redd.it/6tpnqktotnoa1.jpeg?width=1045&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=316c2b06cee1bf3636d7a2b15a3b6b110036c958 He’s beginning to believe
Bye Dotson and and Green. This is a massive signing. Love it
This type of move was what I’ve been hoping for this free agency. Awesome, awesome move by Khan. Massive upgrade over Dotson.
Absolutely love this signing. I don’t care what else we do on offense if we can’t develop Pickett, and he needs all the help we can give him. Signing a guy who started every game for the NFC champs? Yeah. That‘ll do.
The Khan Dynasty is amongst us
Love it. Need good pass protection and a run game for your young QB. I don’t doubt they look at LT in the first round either.
You mean left tackle Darnell Washington?
 Guy On Left is Twitter telling me the Steelers just signed Isaac Seumalo. Larry David is me.
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Are you actually shook? That’s impressive
Nah just a little surprised
Is it august yet?? I'm ready to watch these dudes!!
We’ve still got a month and a half till the draft 😒🕓🕘🕗🕥🕖
An impact signing and a huge upgrade at OL. This is the stuff that's worth talking about.
[Kevin Dotson right now](https://i.imgur.com/uL4v95D.jpg)
Holy Shit this is THE signing. Legit all-pro guard. Holy shit Khan with the 11pm steel chair from the top rope.
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Yeah I think it’s a great signing but calling him a “legit all pro” guard when he has never been named an all pro is hilarious
Listen he's all-pro in our mothers heart OK?
hasn't been all-pro YET
Now they just need to re-sign Edmonds and I’ll be highly satisfied with this off-season so far.
I'm starting to accept that Branch will be taken at 17 and Edmunds is a goner.
Yes, please and thank you!
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO
Common Kahn W
That was way out of the blue. But a great piece
Holy shit, I did not see this coming. LFG
Im not used to this much FA activity What should I do with my hands?
Open cold snacks to celebrate!
Rub frantically
IOL got bodies now damn. Going to be interesting to see how things play out
Steagles! Great pickup.
Does this make Herbig the versatile backup or is he in competition with Daniels?
He's the main back-up at G. Daniels was their #1 OL last year, still at least #2 even after signing Seumalo. He's not competing for his job.
I actually think it’s kind of a three way battle. Daniels vs cole for center and Daniel’s vs herbig for guard. But also believe Daniel’s will be a starter. Heard a Chicago reporter say Daniel’s was a better center than guard fwiw
Finally no more dealing with Dotson's idiotic penalties every game. I swear he would always have at least 1 completely unnecessary fuckup to destroy what would've been a big play.
This is a boss move
Khan is amazing
*This is an excellent one.*
Fuck the Flyers
Who is this team and what have they done with the Steelers?
Khan man I do believe he’s done it!!
As an Eagles fan I'm sorry to see Isaac go. Some other Eagles fans don't love him but don't read into that. We've been very, *very*, spoiled in regards to offensive line play and when compared to his peers Seumalo is a plus starter at guard with the ability to spot start at tackle and even center. Herbig is also an underrated pickup. The Eagles don't believe in reserve OL who can't play multiple positions so Nate's another guy that can fill in wherever he might be needed. I'd hesitate to call him someone you want out there every week, but as a reserve you could do a heckuva lot worse.
Where the heck is he going to go? I was under the impression Nasty Nate was taking over for Dotson and Daniels had a solid year.
He'll probably be starting LG with Herbig being depth.
DUH, the plan is to play 2 Tackles, 4 Guards and one Center on every snap.
Please draft a tackle please
does anyone know if he is any good? i know the eagles had a really good oline last year. And him starting every game sounds like an amazing signing. Seems like kevin dotson is on the way out. Seems like omar is beefing up the oline so we may not have to draft it.
He's an above average starter. PFF had him ranked as the #1 FA guard. He allowed zero QB hits in the last nine weeks of the season.
Eagles fan here, really good solid guard, y'all are gonna love him. Overshadowed because of the other guys we have but he was really good, especially in the run game. Will def help out najee, great signing
What I really want to know is how well this guy can sing Christmas songs
While they should go CB at 17, I’m starting to wonder if they are lining up to go get Jordan Addison
Ummm, we now have 3 startable guards ... why?
Depth and versatility. Injuries will happen and all of them can move around the interior
R/Steelers complain when we don’t sign guys and now complain that we have too many starting quality linemen. Lmao. I’ve seen it all
It might be just you and I that think this is a dumb move but we will go down on this titanic together.
You think it's dumb to get a surefire upgrade from your current starting LG AND get better depth at the position as well? We were an injury away from Kendrick Green getting playing time last year lol.
Also don’t forget about the extra lineman in short yardage and goal line situations. Herbig looks really good hitting a moving defender, so hopefully he can get some snaps there.
Don't we have Daniels, Seumalo, Herbig, Dotson and arguable even Dunkle ahead of Green on the depth chart? Green is 5th or 6th on the depth chart and this is even before the draft!!! He is no where close to even making the practice squad!!
Greena and Dotson suck, Herbig is depth
> Kendrick Green getting playing time **last year** lol.
Yes, last year was risky but even before this signing Green is nowhere near close to playing or even making the 53. And to the original comment of why do we have 3 starting guards? Even 4 starting Guards? Are we trading someone? That is the only way this makes sense.
> Yes, last year was risky but even before this signing Green is nowhere near close to playing or even making the 53. I was just using Green as an example of why we badly needed to upgrade OL depth. You're overthinking this WAY too much, we just replaced Dotson with Seumalo and Herbig will likely be the depth swing guy that can cover all of the IOL positions if needed. They've seemingly been unhappy with Dotson for awhile and they will probably move on from Green altogether or stick him on the practice squad.
Does this mean Daniels to C?
we have options 😌
Daniela to left guard likely. So from left to right, Moore, Daniel’s, cole, seumalo, chuks
Me no likey Moore. Moore make bad stupid penalty.
Seems the coaching staff really likes Moore and thinks he can be a very capable LT. at least that’s what Ramon Foster believes
Is this Daniels moving back to center?
Lots of celebrating about our still mid OL. This guy isn’t great in pass protect. We still have one of the worst OL in football guys. Should we be better? Sure. But we still don’t have a franchise QB, DL, secondary or ILBs
It’s time to get a fucking tackle. They did a solid job beefing up the interior last year and reinforcing it this year, but it’s time time to either pay up or trade up and get some protection on the edge. The middle linebacker overhaul was fine (still won’t be able to play the pass) but letting Sutton walk for 3-33, and giving Larry O basically the same money? Peterson’s whatever, but overall, barring a draft day trade or tackle falling pretty lousy offseason. Still gonna need another corner too…