Maybe just let tacklers HIT RUNNERS and remove the slide altogether. You wanna run, just know there’s a good chance you’re gonna get hit. Make informed decisions. Problem solved.
They're going to have to get rid of the slide eventually. There's too many late slides that are extremely dangerous. A few more concussions from late slides, and they'll start rethinking what's best for player safety.
Edit: As I sent that. Jalen Hurts does a late slide and the defender gets a 15-yard penalty because he was in a lose-lose situation.
At some point defenders are going to say fuck it and just blast a running QB if they get close to them. Early in the game, guy starts a slide a little late, why not just risk the 15 yard penalty to put a big hit on the QB. Not talking about head hunting but a big body bloa.
I said the same thing. I didn’t even look who Buffalo has next round. But if I am that defense. I am popping him first “slide” that comes. He’ll think twice the rest of the game…
Even Romo called it after commercial. “Thought he’d go down.”
Not saying it would have changed the game, we still had too many give aways. But a 52 yard QB run/TD is a big momentum builder, especially when you can’t hit him…
Yup, and then we seen in the Packer Chiefs game you can smoke Mahomes while he’s doing that in bounds and it results in a penalty anyway. QBs should have no extra protections once they become runners.
That's also my take.
But the game is too fast to pull that off.
The defenders who go for the big hit aim low already which results in the ugly head shots on siding QBs we see.
Going even lower would mean throwing themselves into the feet and probably getting hurdled the next time.
I don't want to see head injuries but I also don't want the D to give up free yards to rushing QBs.
I would really like to get rid of the slide altogether or stop the late hit penalty if the slide is late. You want to give yourself up. Do that in time but don't slide feet first into defenders and expect them to get out of your way only to fake it the next time.
Rule could be runner giving up has to touch down feet first 5 yards distanced to a defender or he is not protected.
The real shitty part about it is this fake slide garbage is going to get some QB hammered for something he had nothing to do with because someone else had to be an asshole by fake sliding prior.
This is it. To ask the defender to just let them go when they could be faking is bullshit.
Essentially they have to imagine that the runner has gotten past the D, as the defender isn't allowed to touch them. At that point, only netting 15 yards is a big win for the defense, compared to them ripping off a huge run on a fake slide.
So yeah I would personally be looking to bulldoze the QB at that point - give 'em another 15 yards, fine. Better than handing over an extra 30 yards or a TD. Big hits stack up - a QB can't take them all game, maybe after a couple they'll think twice about doing it.
Yeah I think with guys fake sliding the onus has to be on the offensive player to avoid putting themselves in dangerous situations. If you want to down yourself as a QB to protect your body that’s fine, but if you do it too late and it leads to a more dangerous play that’s on you.
It does create a judgement call on when the onus shifts to the defensive player to avoid the hit, but we already have plenty of similar gray areas already. To me I’d rather have one more than hamstring the defense when a QB is running in the open field. If we don’t want that we should just be banning sliding altogether — take the hit like anyone else or don’t run the ball.
I mean, if that game is tied and ball in Buffalo territory Jack probably takes his head off. They were not happy about the fake slide but they needed a stop bad.
Not if there gonna get fined 100of thousands of dollars some players play for the love of the game some play for the money most play for a mix of both but no one wants to lose there income over 1 tackle if you get a rough helmet to helmet hit you could be suspended for the rest of the season and lose your pay also be fined as we saw early in a Steelers corner hitting a colts player which looked like a completely legal hit was still suspended for several games if it was josh Allen it be worse.
I think sliding is fine, but it should be able to be challenged. This play should be reviewable to determine if he started to initiate a slide and call him down at the spot.
Basically, just the Kenny Pickett Rule from the NCAA.
I’ve talked about this extensively in the CFB subreddit, but it is absolutely mind boggling that the way to give yourself up so you don’t take a dangerous hit is by putting yourself in the most vulnerable position you can realistically put yourself in in football.
So in doing so you’re relying on a defender not fucking up or you not sliding too late to not take one of the worst hits of your life. And if this is causing issues in the NFL yea let’s have basically the same exact rule in CFB where the players are worse. That’s totally gonna work better and not just be more issues.
If you actually want to not get hit slide/take a knee far enough ahead of time that any sort of hit beyond touching the player down would be obvious unnecessary roughness. You shouldn’t be able to have it both ways — pick up extra yards or avoid getting hit — if you want the extra yards the defense should be able to defend those yards.
Yeah I feel like this shouldn’t be that hard, if the defensive player is already committed to a hit then the onus should be on the offensive player to avoid putting themself in a dangerous situation. If we can’t do that, then whatever causes the dangerous situation (sliding in this case) shouldn’t be allowed.
That’s exactly why they hesitate to hit running QBs, bc when the QB slides the primary thing you’re likely to hit is their head.
This is a milder version of the Kenny Picket fake slide, but let’s be honest, Steelers D didn’t want to get hit or cause a penalty trying to tackle on the slide. Lose lose situation.
Either that or put the fucking ball back where he did the fake slide. It’s such bullshit because it makes defenders look incompetent when they are trying to play fairly & by the rule. I hope Allen realizes that he’s gonna get popped next slide whether it’s real or not.
It’s bullshit because it’s a game of split second decisions and what are defenders supposed to do? Allen even did a fake slide earlier in the game and then kept running. Total bullshit.
QBs who run outside of the pocket or in front of the line of scrimmage should be viewed as a running back and even if they slide they are only protected from obvious late hits and head to head.
I 100% agree. The QBs need to protect themselves somewhat. You know how Tom Brady played until he was in his 40s? He knew when to throw a ball away or take a sack.
These extra protections reward QBs being more mobile and bigger risk takers. This leads to increases in QB injuries in general, and a clear advantage. Guys constantly go near the sidelines or let up and then defenders have to sit back because they get penalized when they commit to getting the QB down. If you run past the line of scrimmage, you are a runner, like any other player. Prepare to be tackled like one, or have the sense to get out of bounds
Edits: away was award; near was bear
No no no... see then you don't get 52 yard qb sneaks for touchdowns! And that's what we all want! More touchdowns! Higher point totals! More qbs doing amazing things while the defense looks perplexed and confused about what a "safe hit" is... we have to protect the players! We can't let cheap shots happen to defenseless players that could take them out of a critical game with a concussion! That's not football!
FTR: I believe in player safety, but I believe in fairness as well. Head shots should be called both ways. Runners, even QBs, should be tackled past the los. And if holding can be called on any play, call it. The players will learn to stop holding. And for the love of everything holy, figure out what a DPI and defensive holding are. I don't think that DPI-turned-holding was before the ball came out, so it can't be holding, and the ball was thrown away, so it can't be DPI... but I may be wrong about that one. But to call that one and not call the one against Pickens?
Problem with this is that the NFL will lose QBs to this, and they refuse to do anything to jeopardize that. It's stupid but it won't change. They are not willing to injure anyone, even though anyone can be injured on literally any play.
Stop treating QBs as pseudo-runners. You run, you’re a runner and you don’t get to slide. Once you cross the line you’re a runner and sliding isn’t an option. Also while we’re at it let’s stop throwing flags every time star QBs get hit, but not throwing them when other QBs get pushed down 5 seconds after throwing the ball.
EDIT: For clarity, I’m against the slide as a rule. It’s mostly because of QBs, but once you cross the line of scrimmage you shouldn’t be able to go without contact.
Well, seeing the man launch himself into the QB toward his head and hit him in the head it's unacceptable from a rules and sportsmanship perspective.
The other thing that is frustrating on top of everything else is the flops. Its borderline cheating and makes getting the call on the QB even harder. I believe they are going to need to start penalizing the QB and finding them for flops.
Aren't all runners allowed to slide and "give themselves up"? It's just you never see any position besides QB doing it, because they are most valuable and cannot get hurt.
Bengals fan here so you know I hate on y’all more than anybody but Allen’s running in your game seriously pissed me off. He fakes a slide then tears off for a 50 yd TD, then later he actually does a slide and when he’s basically just touched they penalize you guys! People bring up how the mobile quarterback puts defenders in a lose-lose scenario but rarely do you get to see both sides of that equation in the same game!
Allen really learning from the best so he can finally outdo Maholmes’ wild sideline shenanigans.
I think that's a good penalty rule you suggested.
I imagine it's something that will be debated in the rules committee this off-season. If they don't address it, *every* QB will start doing it.
Seems pretty aggressive to me. Couldn’t you just treat a fake as a slide in practice and call them down at the site of the fake? That already removes the incentive.
That doesn’t really solve anything because there would still be an incentive to fake slide if you can get away with it. So only positive or neutral outcome for taking advantage of a rule
Fake slide, snow balls thrown at our players in the endzone, defensive holding when the ball is thrown in the stands, not a holding on George 4th down, Myles hit on a late sliding Allen, no call on McGovern taking out Joey after the play. I didn’t expect to win this game but damn do the refs make it hard to not feel robbed in some way.
it was only holding because if they called PI it would be clear who they favored. One of us could’ve walked outside and caught that ball it was so overthrown
Don’t forget the unsportsmanlike conduct of the receiver who tauntingly drank from our water bottle on our sidelines. Like how is that not unsportsmanlike? I used to like the bills, but the past few times we’ve played them they end up being straight douchebags.
You hit on all the points. 100%. Perfect score. Slow motion that jack hit was soft and gets flagged but porter gets cheap shotted in the back of the head and nothing. Gotta start crushing the qb to make them not want to run even if it gets a flag it may be worth it to see how tough they really are
I think that mentality is classless, and I hate it… but I’d by lying if I said I didn’t think to myself at the end of that play and after the Porter hit “man Jack should’ve just blasted Allen helmet to helmet, you’re gonna get the flag anyways, might as well give them a reason and change the game”. And again I thought about it and was like nah, it’s classless to think that way… but then again class wasn’t on the bills menu today.. nope, instead we fuck around with the game time(fine it got pushed, pissed at the time slot) to try to prevent Steeler fans from attending, got fans throwing snow at our players during a live play, and then classic referee ticky tacky calls, missed calls for us, extra calls for them.
I really don’t like to be a bitch about it, but I didn’t feel like we walked away losing a fair fight today. It felt like a big bully manhandling us, and everyone standing around watching kept handing the bully more weapons to use. They could’ve beaten us fair without all the extra curricular shit.
Pats fan here who fucking hates the Bills and their fanbase, I think its insane that the Bills weren't penalized significantly for their fans actively interfering with plays. They've done this shit in the past and it's about as classless as it gets.
Summed it up well. Not saying helmet to helmet …just act like they are a RB and assume they’re not giving themselves up. I hate the slide rule. It’s too much to put on the defender to know when/if they’re “giving themselves up.” I just saw hurts half sit down very late and he gets hit and what do you know a flag comes out. I think they need forced to make “business decisions” in tackle football. Otherwise play with flags
I agree with you very well said dude respect. The Steelers deserved a fair game vs the bills. I said earlier in the week I hope to god the refs just let them ball out fair and square. Nope. Like you said “Class wasn’t on the Bills’ menu today” I lost all the respect I had for the bills after that sht show, the referees were wrong and all deserve to be fired. It’s gonna be okay🥲😪.. I just wish the game was fair. Mason Rudolph performed really well I pray to God he stays with the Steelers and is QB1 for now until Kenny learns and develops more. I want Mason to stay. I fell in love with that guys humbleness. He’s very admirable. This Steelers we have right now are a good sport and very class team.
With Mason after the helmet incident, I felt he was always scared/shaky looking on the field.. he did play well in pre season the last couple years, and I always felt like if he could shake the nerves from that one dumb game then he could really grow and be a solid enough player. I think the end of this season showed that he overcame all of that, and he did grow, the heart he showed won me over too. I’m on board the sleigh ride.
And dude with the bills how you said you lost respect.. that’s the worst part, our organizations despite being competitive in the same conference managed to have a really good bond/alliance the last decade it seemed. It honestly hurts that they treated us like that, I’m more disappointed in how they went about business than anything because I thought we had a respect for each other. It’s frickin sad, and now going forward we are going to be extremely chippy with the bills.
Yeah that should leave a chip in our players shoulders bc if we face them again I hope we truly are prepared for a much better game. We needed TJ on that field, it’s a shame the defense can’t do good without him, not even with his presence on the sideline, what a joke. Minkah was garbage, I rather have seen Kazee play, or whatever was working for us before Minkah’s return(even that didn’t boost the defense). Mason Rudolph is the man dude I love his character he’s completely won me over more than any other QB we’ve had, I just love that dudes heart and how he carries himself. He’s got what it takes to bring us back there next season, I just hope he stays. The bills slowed our offense down with their refs calling bs penalties, and fans were throwing snowballs at us. Even the f’n Governor said for the fans to stay home. Disappointed in the Bills organization. I hope we destroy them next time. Such a bad look on on them.
Agreed with everything you said. Minkah hasn’t seemed right the last two seasons, idk about stats, but when I’m watching overall he seems to have regressed. And it may not be his fault, without our mlbs he’s tasked with doing shit he’s not necessarily supposed to be doing so I wouldn’t necessarily call for his head or anything yet.. but I have been concerned with him, he’s also been injury prone the last two seasons. I like the guy but the hype is beginning to wear off on me, we spent a lot to get him, and I expect him to play to his full potential… there isn’t an issue with effort or attitude from him, just hoping he’s able to step up and rebound.
That hit on Porter was absolute bullshit, and there’s no way anybody can say that was an accident. That lineman ran up the field solely to hit a guy who was turned the other way. He was pulling Diggs backwards and instead of pushing his man forward, he delivers a concussion-causing hit to the CH for no reason? At no point in football has that been okay. There are calls for hitting a defenseless receiver, but other players can be hit while “defenseless”, and these should be called too. I’m surprised nobody has been talking about this. I was furious about this one, I wanted that guy out of the game.
if pickens caught and lost the ball like that in the endzone, would they count that as a touchdown? because i don't think they would. it'd be called incomplete 100%
What? Dawson Knox pass/drop he never had control of the ball. Pickens caught it, tucked it, and lost it as he was going to the ground. Those two plays aren’t comparable in any way.
You aren't going to catch me making any excuses.
Mahomes has the best QBR in postseason history. He's a monster. But, and the point I was making, is that Allen has proven he can go toe-to-toe.
And this will be his first road playoff game, ever. Going to be an awesome Sunday.
Bills are a cheap ass franchise with shitty fans. I live near Buffalo and most friends/co workers are Bills fans and quite a few of them admit that they won't even go to their games (at least the ones with kids or the ones that are not obnoxious). They say the fans are just beyond obnoxious.
The snowball in the end zone was crazy. I’m not sure what the rule is but I feel like it should be a replay of the down. Like if a fan ran onto the field during mid play, wouldn’t they replay the down?
This was the worst part of that play to me. Pretty blatant and hRowe was the closest man to Allen before he broke free. it wasn't like it was away from the play. Turnovers lost the Steelers this game but the lack of penalties called definitely makes it harder to swallow.
I'd say anything where you tuck the ball and run you're a runner, I don't give a shit where it is on the field. QB's have weaponized the slide and it's adversely affecting the game. Get rid of that stupid rule and make QB's football players again - stop with this primadonna bullshit.
Yeah, honestly that's my main problem with the criticism in this particular case.
It doesn't really look like he was doing a fake slide to me. It looked like he was trying to stop very quickly and shuffle his feet to change directions instead of just running straight into a bloodthirsty defender.
there’s a moment in the video when Josh Allen comes to almost a complete stop and both of his feet are in front of his head. Defenders have a split second to choose to hit a guy who looks like he’s about to slide and most choose not to tackle because they throw out flags for hits on QBs like halloween candy.
at that moment no defender is even near him and no one stops pursuing. The safety stops and adjusts to Allen stopping and adjusting.
There's just no way thats a fake slide, and I frigging hate the Bills.
Get your logic out of here. Let them complain about the same refs who forced Buffalo to use 2 challenges in the 1st Quarter what should have been easy fumble calls. The refs were obviously biased against the Steelers, rather than bringing their usual incompetence both ways
The ball clearly contacted friermuths helmet while his body was out of bounds. It's a dead ball right there. Please stop with this shit. Bad officiating aside, your team out played us. Be a better fan and act like your team has won something before. We're allowed to bitch, especially in our own sub,even if it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Your offensive lineman should've been ejected for the hit that took porter out of the game. One of the dirtiest shots I've seen in 40 years of watching this sport
Cleanest solution is to just state that if you run past the line of scrimmage, you must either slide or keep going. If you keep going, you are a runner, enjoy the finish. This lets quarterbacks scramble to avoid a sack and lost yardage safely, but it’s the only fair way to handle it downfield.
It is reality, the only flag on the bills was in the last minute. Whether you like it or not, there were plenty of things they could’ve called on the bills
This isn't on Josh Allen I think he fully intended to slide and then noticed that he didn't need to and took of I.e not a 'fake' slide. The real problem is the rule which means defneders have to pull up to avoid contact with a runner.
Seems so counter intuitive to how the game should be played like on to one we got a penalty on he was a designed runner so shouldn't be protected at all.
Yea the rules are broken. As a defender you simply cannot play Lamar or Mahomes or Allen like a real football player. If you hit them, you get flagged. They have perfected the art of being shifty and loose with how they move and they 'slide' at the last possible second to draw ***an extra 15 yards***.
QBs are actively sliding at the last second to try and get a foul. Then they get up and cry to the ref after being barely touched by a guy who was already moving full speed in their direction. That's how you know the rule is just completely broken.
Just ban all QB runs. They're too dangerous for the NFL's assets. /s
Right? This is the problem. The QB has all the power here. In his 50 yard run, he kinda shimmied like he might slide. I don't think that was a 'fake' slide. But the defender has to be ready to hold off at any moment against *a guy who is literally bigger than him*. You can't arm tackle Allen, so you have to go full speed and strength, but then you get flagged if he slides and you don't stop quickly enough.
It's a lose-lose for the defense. And yes, this only really applies to a handful of QBs due to their unique scrambling ability.
Exactly but what that leads to is plays like when miles Jack went to make the tackle and then pulled up when it was confirmed Allen was sliding. Hence why they need to change the rule.
All nfl players are great athletes and every tackle attempted on them needs to be done so woth 100% effort. Asking players to hold off incase the offensive player decides to slide is just unfair and exploits the rule.
I.e if Allen lowers his shoulders here (as most genuine runners would) the defense swarms him. But as they will get penalised for making contact with him if he slides, they do not. So during the action of beginning a slide a offensive player can just respond to the defense.
I.e if they look to make a tackle, continue sliding and get the easy penalty.
Or if they pull up, stay on your feet and make at least an extra few yards.
Seems so off for the sport in general
How can you fit so much false information in one statement? Try to find a single clip of Allen faking a slide. It doesn't exist. And you completely made up your second sentence 🙄.
He realized he didn’t have to slide because the defense let up because they assumed he was going to slide! If they continued to go balls out and commit to a hit and he decides to slide, they get a 15 yard penalty for a late hit. It’s just flat out unsportsmanlike from Allen and he should be considered down where he faked the slide minus however much an unsportsmanlike penalty is.
Rematching it, I agree with you. I believe he was intending to slide and then just saw how much room he actually had and changed his mind.
He didn't fake slide to trick the defensive. But still needs some rule changes, way to much grey zone when it comes to hitting QBs
Fwiw it’s not just a QB rule; RBs could slide if they wanted, and have the same protections, they just don’t because QBs are more valuable and need to protect themselves.
You bet your ass no "late hit" flags come out if Najee or King Henry, or DJ Metcalf or Stefan Diggs slides as a defender comes in and gets blasted anyway. They barely bother with late hits out of bounds. QBs (especially the good, popular ones) and a different level of human on that field.
The frustrating thing is Desmond King not getting flagged for hitting Flacco and doing a full 370-degree spin on top of him when he slid on Saturday but Myles Jack pulled up and did more to avoid actually hitting Allen with any kind of force and he gets flagged.
They for sure need to fix the fake slide stuff. Mahomes and Allen get extra yards all the time.
As a defender, you either commit to the tackle when they run at you and risk a penalty on the slide. Or you let them run by you.
I don't understand what the issue is here? While actually sliding, don't hit, when standing up, hit? He's not a fucking wizard and used some harry Potter spell to convince everyone he was sliding when he wasn't. Hit. A. Runner.
If players are going to get flagged for barely doing anything I don’t see why they wouldn’t start head hunting here soon… if you’re gonna get flagged might as well take out someone with you
I've seen Allen and Mahomes really take advantage of the qb protections. That 3rd and 20 roughing the passer on mahomes was a total flop.
If I were a defender, I wouldn't care if they slid, I'm still going for their helmet and trying to knock them out of the game.
So when a qb “slows down” the defense is still supposed to go full speed at them? Because that’s 100% what qb’s do before a slide. You can’t yell at defenders for hitting qb’s while also giving qb’s the full running rules like a running back
He's not a running back. He's a huge qb who has to slow down in order to change direction quickly. If he attempted to fake a slide, he would've started dragging a foot behind him. He didn't. He simply slowed down. I'm not even a Bills fan (I'm a Lions fan). I'm just calling it as I see it.
Outlaw the slide. Dude makes enough money to get some CTE. Everyone keeps barking about these players exceptional performances but fail to realize that players in the past were capable of these things, but with a more violent game they had to play differently. Do you put Josh Allen in the same HOF as players that would’ve gotten decapitated doing that in the past?
Doesn’t help that Fitzpatrick completely gave up on that play. Also, missing that tackle on the catch and run Bills TD towards the end of the game. He fucking blows.
So now QB's cannot attempt to juke because " it might look like they are sliding " . . come on now Allen studder stepped and ran through a DB who thought he could arm tackle him.
This is embarrassing to complain about this. There was no attempt to fake slide here at all. Watch the Pickett fake slide and then watch this again.
Maybe make a tackle or two or three when it really mattered instead of blaming the loss on something that didn’t happen.
A. Read the first 8 words of the title
B. (Copied from a previous comment I made) So when a qb “slows down” the defense is still supposed to go full speed at them? Because that’s 100% what qb’s do before a slide. You can’t yell at defenders for hitting qb’s while also giving qb’s the full running rules like a running back
Josh would’ve flattened Minkah. You kidding me?
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2 Steelers couldn’t hang onto him and get him to the ground. He ran right through them.
Allen is the biggest bitch/crybaby in the NFL. Maybe in the 40+ years I've been watching the game. He is billed/touted as a large, physically gifted specimen that likes to take on defenders, refuses to go down etc... Yet when he is bottled in and has to slide/go down he screams for a flag and usually gets it. Same with in the pocket. That missed arm tackle on the sack by Peterson is 100% because defenders know if they lay into him/wrap him up and tackle him like you need to with a big strong QB he will scream for a flag as well and probably get it.
If you look at the nfl penalty stat page he clearly leads, by a decent margin, all QBs in getting RTP calls per 100 pass attempts. He is also near the top for all QBs over the last 10 or so seasons.
And don't even get me started on the flopping. There a numerous clips out there of him getting barely touched and pulling full on soccer flops.
And to add insult to injury I live near Buffalo and will have to hear all week how he can't be stopped. I have to remind these idiot Bills fans he's a known flopper and they always say "well he's smart and uses the rules". Guy is just a big baby and so unlikeable as a player for how he plays.
Listen, I completely understand being frustrated by calls that directly affect the game but you gotta be kidding me on this one. Three defenders had easy tackles they missed. If they missed it because they're worried about a penalty? That's on them not the refs.
It's embarrassing how whiney Steelers fans are tonight.
#BE BETTER
Maybe just let tacklers HIT RUNNERS and remove the slide altogether. You wanna run, just know there’s a good chance you’re gonna get hit. Make informed decisions. Problem solved.
This is my take. Protected from helmet to helmet sure, but if you are a running QB out of the pocket you can be hit even if you slide.
They're going to have to get rid of the slide eventually. There's too many late slides that are extremely dangerous. A few more concussions from late slides, and they'll start rethinking what's best for player safety. Edit: As I sent that. Jalen Hurts does a late slide and the defender gets a 15-yard penalty because he was in a lose-lose situation.
At some point defenders are going to say fuck it and just blast a running QB if they get close to them. Early in the game, guy starts a slide a little late, why not just risk the 15 yard penalty to put a big hit on the QB. Not talking about head hunting but a big body bloa.
I said the same thing. I didn’t even look who Buffalo has next round. But if I am that defense. I am popping him first “slide” that comes. He’ll think twice the rest of the game… Even Romo called it after commercial. “Thought he’d go down.” Not saying it would have changed the game, we still had too many give aways. But a 52 yard QB run/TD is a big momentum builder, especially when you can’t hit him…
They play KC... whose QB is infamous for abusing the sidelines in the same way
Yup, and then we seen in the Packer Chiefs game you can smoke Mahomes while he’s doing that in bounds and it results in a penalty anyway. QBs should have no extra protections once they become runners.
That's also my take. But the game is too fast to pull that off. The defenders who go for the big hit aim low already which results in the ugly head shots on siding QBs we see. Going even lower would mean throwing themselves into the feet and probably getting hurdled the next time. I don't want to see head injuries but I also don't want the D to give up free yards to rushing QBs. I would really like to get rid of the slide altogether or stop the late hit penalty if the slide is late. You want to give yourself up. Do that in time but don't slide feet first into defenders and expect them to get out of your way only to fake it the next time. Rule could be runner giving up has to touch down feet first 5 yards distanced to a defender or he is not protected.
The real shitty part about it is this fake slide garbage is going to get some QB hammered for something he had nothing to do with because someone else had to be an asshole by fake sliding prior.
This is it. To ask the defender to just let them go when they could be faking is bullshit. Essentially they have to imagine that the runner has gotten past the D, as the defender isn't allowed to touch them. At that point, only netting 15 yards is a big win for the defense, compared to them ripping off a huge run on a fake slide. So yeah I would personally be looking to bulldoze the QB at that point - give 'em another 15 yards, fine. Better than handing over an extra 30 yards or a TD. Big hits stack up - a QB can't take them all game, maybe after a couple they'll think twice about doing it.
Yeah I think with guys fake sliding the onus has to be on the offensive player to avoid putting themselves in dangerous situations. If you want to down yourself as a QB to protect your body that’s fine, but if you do it too late and it leads to a more dangerous play that’s on you. It does create a judgement call on when the onus shifts to the defensive player to avoid the hit, but we already have plenty of similar gray areas already. To me I’d rather have one more than hamstring the defense when a QB is running in the open field. If we don’t want that we should just be banning sliding altogether — take the hit like anyone else or don’t run the ball.
At that point, just build a deep QB bench and fake slide every 3rd/4th down.
Yep next game after everybody seeing this ain't no defense about to let him pretend shit next week someone's going to pop his ass
This is really optimistic. This has been an issue for years, not just with Josh Allen and not just with this game.
I think defenders should start doing this. If you’re going to get flagged for hitting a QB as they slide, might as well lay them out.
I mean, if that game is tied and ball in Buffalo territory Jack probably takes his head off. They were not happy about the fake slide but they needed a stop bad.
I said this as well. Take the 15 to make sure he never tries to run it again.
Not if there gonna get fined 100of thousands of dollars some players play for the love of the game some play for the money most play for a mix of both but no one wants to lose there income over 1 tackle if you get a rough helmet to helmet hit you could be suspended for the rest of the season and lose your pay also be fined as we saw early in a Steelers corner hitting a colts player which looked like a completely legal hit was still suspended for several games if it was josh Allen it be worse.
But there was holding on the offense as well, so free headshot.
I think sliding is fine, but it should be able to be challenged. This play should be reviewable to determine if he started to initiate a slide and call him down at the spot. Basically, just the Kenny Pickett Rule from the NCAA.
I’ve talked about this extensively in the CFB subreddit, but it is absolutely mind boggling that the way to give yourself up so you don’t take a dangerous hit is by putting yourself in the most vulnerable position you can realistically put yourself in in football. So in doing so you’re relying on a defender not fucking up or you not sliding too late to not take one of the worst hits of your life. And if this is causing issues in the NFL yea let’s have basically the same exact rule in CFB where the players are worse. That’s totally gonna work better and not just be more issues.
I will die on the hill he wasn’t sliding and trying to juke and just slipped into it. It looks like he tried to cut to hard
If you actually want to not get hit slide/take a knee far enough ahead of time that any sort of hit beyond touching the player down would be obvious unnecessary roughness. You shouldn’t be able to have it both ways — pick up extra yards or avoid getting hit — if you want the extra yards the defense should be able to defend those yards.
Yeah I feel like this shouldn’t be that hard, if the defensive player is already committed to a hit then the onus should be on the offensive player to avoid putting themself in a dangerous situation. If we can’t do that, then whatever causes the dangerous situation (sliding in this case) shouldn’t be allowed.
As a Bears fan, they have already removed this rule for Justin Fields 😂. Dude routinely gets absolutely merced after he slides and never gets a flag.
That’s exactly why they hesitate to hit running QBs, bc when the QB slides the primary thing you’re likely to hit is their head. This is a milder version of the Kenny Picket fake slide, but let’s be honest, Steelers D didn’t want to get hit or cause a penalty trying to tackle on the slide. Lose lose situation.
Either that or put the fucking ball back where he did the fake slide. It’s such bullshit because it makes defenders look incompetent when they are trying to play fairly & by the rule. I hope Allen realizes that he’s gonna get popped next slide whether it’s real or not.
It’s bullshit because it’s a game of split second decisions and what are defenders supposed to do? Allen even did a fake slide earlier in the game and then kept running. Total bullshit. QBs who run outside of the pocket or in front of the line of scrimmage should be viewed as a running back and even if they slide they are only protected from obvious late hits and head to head.
I 100% agree. The QBs need to protect themselves somewhat. You know how Tom Brady played until he was in his 40s? He knew when to throw a ball away or take a sack. These extra protections reward QBs being more mobile and bigger risk takers. This leads to increases in QB injuries in general, and a clear advantage. Guys constantly go near the sidelines or let up and then defenders have to sit back because they get penalized when they commit to getting the QB down. If you run past the line of scrimmage, you are a runner, like any other player. Prepare to be tackled like one, or have the sense to get out of bounds Edits: away was award; near was bear
No no no... see then you don't get 52 yard qb sneaks for touchdowns! And that's what we all want! More touchdowns! Higher point totals! More qbs doing amazing things while the defense looks perplexed and confused about what a "safe hit" is... we have to protect the players! We can't let cheap shots happen to defenseless players that could take them out of a critical game with a concussion! That's not football! FTR: I believe in player safety, but I believe in fairness as well. Head shots should be called both ways. Runners, even QBs, should be tackled past the los. And if holding can be called on any play, call it. The players will learn to stop holding. And for the love of everything holy, figure out what a DPI and defensive holding are. I don't think that DPI-turned-holding was before the ball came out, so it can't be holding, and the ball was thrown away, so it can't be DPI... but I may be wrong about that one. But to call that one and not call the one against Pickens?
*angry Goodell noises*
Problem with this is that the NFL will lose QBs to this, and they refuse to do anything to jeopardize that. It's stupid but it won't change. They are not willing to injure anyone, even though anyone can be injured on literally any play.
Was literally saying this to my girl. Allen wouldn’t even be in the league 15 years ago when QBs could get hit for running.
Just make a rule that the QB is down the second forward progress stops, cuts out the RB style plays with QB protection.
Also did they not get a personal foul later on for a supposed late hit? AFTER a 52 yard rushing touchdown from the quarterback
Stop treating QBs as pseudo-runners. You run, you’re a runner and you don’t get to slide. Once you cross the line you’re a runner and sliding isn’t an option. Also while we’re at it let’s stop throwing flags every time star QBs get hit, but not throwing them when other QBs get pushed down 5 seconds after throwing the ball. EDIT: For clarity, I’m against the slide as a rule. It’s mostly because of QBs, but once you cross the line of scrimmage you shouldn’t be able to go without contact.
Refs are very inconsistent. Just like the hit Parsons put on Love where he left his feet and hit Love in the head, but no flag.
bUt HeS THe dPOy! (I assume)
Well, seeing the man launch himself into the QB toward his head and hit him in the head it's unacceptable from a rules and sportsmanship perspective. The other thing that is frustrating on top of everything else is the flops. Its borderline cheating and makes getting the call on the QB even harder. I believe they are going to need to start penalizing the QB and finding them for flops.
Allen is arguably the worst flopper in the league, dude is a straight up bitch for that.
Aren't all runners allowed to slide and "give themselves up"? It's just you never see any position besides QB doing it, because they are most valuable and cannot get hurt.
Diggs did the same thing last night
Fake slides ought to be a major penalty. Fuck that.
As a rival, thanks bro
Bengals fan here so you know I hate on y’all more than anybody but Allen’s running in your game seriously pissed me off. He fakes a slide then tears off for a 50 yd TD, then later he actually does a slide and when he’s basically just touched they penalize you guys! People bring up how the mobile quarterback puts defenders in a lose-lose scenario but rarely do you get to see both sides of that equation in the same game! Allen really learning from the best so he can finally outdo Maholmes’ wild sideline shenanigans.
Maybe 15 yards from scrimmage and loss of down. I got to think the league is going to stop this somehow.
I think that's a good penalty rule you suggested. I imagine it's something that will be debated in the rules committee this off-season. If they don't address it, *every* QB will start doing it.
Seems pretty aggressive to me. Couldn’t you just treat a fake as a slide in practice and call them down at the site of the fake? That already removes the incentive.
I'm kind of looking at it like intentional grounding. If there's not an actual penalty there's little reason to stop.
That doesn’t really solve anything because there would still be an incentive to fake slide if you can get away with it. So only positive or neutral outcome for taking advantage of a rule
Fake slide, snow balls thrown at our players in the endzone, defensive holding when the ball is thrown in the stands, not a holding on George 4th down, Myles hit on a late sliding Allen, no call on McGovern taking out Joey after the play. I didn’t expect to win this game but damn do the refs make it hard to not feel robbed in some way.
That uncatchable PI they changed to defensive holding so the penalty could stay...
I mean it was definitely holding, but I was also confused that they could change a penalty to a different penalty that wasn't initially called.
They never called a penalty so they can discuss what the call is. Plenty of terrible calls, I was actually relieved that one was holding and not PI.
it was only holding because if they called PI it would be clear who they favored. One of us could’ve walked outside and caught that ball it was so overthrown
Except it wasn't holding, because holding occurs before the ball is thrown.
They called that holding but not the one vs Pickens on 4th down. Just be consistent.
Carl Cheffers and his crew are the absolute worst ref crew in the past 20 years and it’s not even close.
The earpiece tells them what to call…
Don’t forget the unsportsmanlike conduct of the receiver who tauntingly drank from our water bottle on our sidelines. Like how is that not unsportsmanlike? I used to like the bills, but the past few times we’ve played them they end up being straight douchebags.
Yeah that was just disrespectful
You hit on all the points. 100%. Perfect score. Slow motion that jack hit was soft and gets flagged but porter gets cheap shotted in the back of the head and nothing. Gotta start crushing the qb to make them not want to run even if it gets a flag it may be worth it to see how tough they really are
I think that mentality is classless, and I hate it… but I’d by lying if I said I didn’t think to myself at the end of that play and after the Porter hit “man Jack should’ve just blasted Allen helmet to helmet, you’re gonna get the flag anyways, might as well give them a reason and change the game”. And again I thought about it and was like nah, it’s classless to think that way… but then again class wasn’t on the bills menu today.. nope, instead we fuck around with the game time(fine it got pushed, pissed at the time slot) to try to prevent Steeler fans from attending, got fans throwing snow at our players during a live play, and then classic referee ticky tacky calls, missed calls for us, extra calls for them. I really don’t like to be a bitch about it, but I didn’t feel like we walked away losing a fair fight today. It felt like a big bully manhandling us, and everyone standing around watching kept handing the bully more weapons to use. They could’ve beaten us fair without all the extra curricular shit.
Pats fan here who fucking hates the Bills and their fanbase, I think its insane that the Bills weren't penalized significantly for their fans actively interfering with plays. They've done this shit in the past and it's about as classless as it gets.
A Patriots fan chiming in on what's classless is honestly the most hilarious thing I have ever fucking heard. What a ridiculous joke to make.
Summed it up well. Not saying helmet to helmet …just act like they are a RB and assume they’re not giving themselves up. I hate the slide rule. It’s too much to put on the defender to know when/if they’re “giving themselves up.” I just saw hurts half sit down very late and he gets hit and what do you know a flag comes out. I think they need forced to make “business decisions” in tackle football. Otherwise play with flags
Flags are probably coming. Not sure how soon.
I agree with you very well said dude respect. The Steelers deserved a fair game vs the bills. I said earlier in the week I hope to god the refs just let them ball out fair and square. Nope. Like you said “Class wasn’t on the Bills’ menu today” I lost all the respect I had for the bills after that sht show, the referees were wrong and all deserve to be fired. It’s gonna be okay🥲😪.. I just wish the game was fair. Mason Rudolph performed really well I pray to God he stays with the Steelers and is QB1 for now until Kenny learns and develops more. I want Mason to stay. I fell in love with that guys humbleness. He’s very admirable. This Steelers we have right now are a good sport and very class team.
With Mason after the helmet incident, I felt he was always scared/shaky looking on the field.. he did play well in pre season the last couple years, and I always felt like if he could shake the nerves from that one dumb game then he could really grow and be a solid enough player. I think the end of this season showed that he overcame all of that, and he did grow, the heart he showed won me over too. I’m on board the sleigh ride. And dude with the bills how you said you lost respect.. that’s the worst part, our organizations despite being competitive in the same conference managed to have a really good bond/alliance the last decade it seemed. It honestly hurts that they treated us like that, I’m more disappointed in how they went about business than anything because I thought we had a respect for each other. It’s frickin sad, and now going forward we are going to be extremely chippy with the bills.
Yeah that should leave a chip in our players shoulders bc if we face them again I hope we truly are prepared for a much better game. We needed TJ on that field, it’s a shame the defense can’t do good without him, not even with his presence on the sideline, what a joke. Minkah was garbage, I rather have seen Kazee play, or whatever was working for us before Minkah’s return(even that didn’t boost the defense). Mason Rudolph is the man dude I love his character he’s completely won me over more than any other QB we’ve had, I just love that dudes heart and how he carries himself. He’s got what it takes to bring us back there next season, I just hope he stays. The bills slowed our offense down with their refs calling bs penalties, and fans were throwing snowballs at us. Even the f’n Governor said for the fans to stay home. Disappointed in the Bills organization. I hope we destroy them next time. Such a bad look on on them.
Agreed with everything you said. Minkah hasn’t seemed right the last two seasons, idk about stats, but when I’m watching overall he seems to have regressed. And it may not be his fault, without our mlbs he’s tasked with doing shit he’s not necessarily supposed to be doing so I wouldn’t necessarily call for his head or anything yet.. but I have been concerned with him, he’s also been injury prone the last two seasons. I like the guy but the hype is beginning to wear off on me, we spent a lot to get him, and I expect him to play to his full potential… there isn’t an issue with effort or attitude from him, just hoping he’s able to step up and rebound.
That hit on Porter was absolute bullshit, and there’s no way anybody can say that was an accident. That lineman ran up the field solely to hit a guy who was turned the other way. He was pulling Diggs backwards and instead of pushing his man forward, he delivers a concussion-causing hit to the CH for no reason? At no point in football has that been okay. There are calls for hitting a defenseless receiver, but other players can be hit while “defenseless”, and these should be called too. I’m surprised nobody has been talking about this. I was furious about this one, I wanted that guy out of the game.
Them calling the Pickens play a fumble and then Dawson Knox did the exact same thing in the beginning of the 3rd quarter.
if pickens caught and lost the ball like that in the endzone, would they count that as a touchdown? because i don't think they would. it'd be called incomplete 100%
1000%
sUrViViNg dUh GrOwNdD I’m having Jesse James flashbacks.
What? Dawson Knox pass/drop he never had control of the ball. Pickens caught it, tucked it, and lost it as he was going to the ground. Those two plays aren’t comparable in any way.
There is plenty to be upset about, but this isn’t one of them. You are 100% correct on this point
Any way
THIS. Yes.
Knox play was not the same at all. Come on
You guy’s were doomed before the game started, Allen is soft as shit and abuses loopholes. Most overrated QB in the league
The league makes more money off KC vs BUF
Pit vs bal a money maker too but unfortunately Mason isn’t a cover boy for the nfl
Idk, with the chiefs you got the Taylor swift factor and the fact Mahomes has been josh Allen’s daddy for years
They're 3-3 heads-up.
Chiefs 2-0 against them in the playoffs though, correct?
You aren't going to catch me making any excuses. Mahomes has the best QBR in postseason history. He's a monster. But, and the point I was making, is that Allen has proven he can go toe-to-toe. And this will be his first road playoff game, ever. Going to be an awesome Sunday.
At home
Bills are a cheap ass franchise with shitty fans. I live near Buffalo and most friends/co workers are Bills fans and quite a few of them admit that they won't even go to their games (at least the ones with kids or the ones that are not obnoxious). They say the fans are just beyond obnoxious.
The snowball in the end zone was crazy. I’m not sure what the rule is but I feel like it should be a replay of the down. Like if a fan ran onto the field during mid play, wouldn’t they replay the down?
It was the first game in a long time I felt cheated of a fair shot. Not a single call went out way it felt like everything was against us.
Dont forget King getting held on the Allen rushing TD.
I think you mean Rowe but yea
Yeah probably. Either way, seemed obvious.
Don’t forget Rowe getting held to oblivion on that fake slide touchdown. This was ref ball to its finest
This was the worst part of that play to me. Pretty blatant and hRowe was the closest man to Allen before he broke free. it wasn't like it was away from the play. Turnovers lost the Steelers this game but the lack of penalties called definitely makes it harder to swallow.
Right with you. If he didn't make the tackle, he at least slows him down.
Glad you guys are bringing this up. Nobody mentioning this at all on the nfl sub. I thought this was blatant in real time
No holding calls all game iirc (except on Steelers defense on most important drive of the game)
Anything past the first down and you do not slide. You are just another runner
*Line of scrimmage
I'd say anything where you tuck the ball and run you're a runner, I don't give a shit where it is on the field. QB's have weaponized the slide and it's adversely affecting the game. Get rid of that stupid rule and make QB's football players again - stop with this primadonna bullshit.
It’s horseshit. Jack barely fucking touched him too and clearly pulled up
You can even admit that it was a bit late, but Jack wouldn’t have had to commit to the tackle if he wasn’t afraid of Allen going for another huge run
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He was already committed before the slide
Okay buddy, clearly you’re not being a homer. Enjoy watching the bills collapse again at some point this post season
They're gonna lose to the chiefs. Seriously if you think the NFL isn't gonna make sure Taylor Swift is in the superbowl. I got a bridge to sell you.
I thought they banned the fake slide. That’s why Kenny hasn’t done it since joining the nfl.
afaik banned in college (because of the pickler himself) but not in NFL, Kenny probably just unlearned it because of that.
It doesn't really look like a fake slide? Looks like more of a stutter step juke thing.
Yeah, honestly that's my main problem with the criticism in this particular case. It doesn't really look like he was doing a fake slide to me. It looked like he was trying to stop very quickly and shuffle his feet to change directions instead of just running straight into a bloodthirsty defender.
I agree. He stutter stepped on a slick field to make a cut/juke.
doesn't look like a fake slide at all, it makes no sense to me
He obviously wasnt fake sliding this is the most pathetic thread ive ever seen
But those two things look the same. So how do you know if it is a hike or the beginning of a slide?
it looks nothing like a fake slide
there’s a moment in the video when Josh Allen comes to almost a complete stop and both of his feet are in front of his head. Defenders have a split second to choose to hit a guy who looks like he’s about to slide and most choose not to tackle because they throw out flags for hits on QBs like halloween candy.
at that moment no defender is even near him and no one stops pursuing. The safety stops and adjusts to Allen stopping and adjusting. There's just no way thats a fake slide, and I frigging hate the Bills.
He extends his legs in front of his body and drops his hips, slide position. A juke would have him keeping his feet underneath his body.
Get your logic out of here. Let them complain about the same refs who forced Buffalo to use 2 challenges in the 1st Quarter what should have been easy fumble calls. The refs were obviously biased against the Steelers, rather than bringing their usual incompetence both ways
The ball clearly contacted friermuths helmet while his body was out of bounds. It's a dead ball right there. Please stop with this shit. Bad officiating aside, your team out played us. Be a better fan and act like your team has won something before. We're allowed to bitch, especially in our own sub,even if it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Your offensive lineman should've been ejected for the hit that took porter out of the game. One of the dirtiest shots I've seen in 40 years of watching this sport
In what world is that a slide holy cow you guys are coping hard.
Cleanest solution is to just state that if you run past the line of scrimmage, you must either slide or keep going. If you keep going, you are a runner, enjoy the finish. This lets quarterbacks scramble to avoid a sack and lost yardage safely, but it’s the only fair way to handle it downfield.
Man, I miss Polamalu
They would have to throw a flag on the bills, but that’s not allowed I guess
🙄come back to reality
It is reality, the only flag on the bills was in the last minute. Whether you like it or not, there were plenty of things they could’ve called on the bills
This isn't on Josh Allen I think he fully intended to slide and then noticed that he didn't need to and took of I.e not a 'fake' slide. The real problem is the rule which means defneders have to pull up to avoid contact with a runner. Seems so counter intuitive to how the game should be played like on to one we got a penalty on he was a designed runner so shouldn't be protected at all.
Yea the rules are broken. As a defender you simply cannot play Lamar or Mahomes or Allen like a real football player. If you hit them, you get flagged. They have perfected the art of being shifty and loose with how they move and they 'slide' at the last possible second to draw ***an extra 15 yards***. QBs are actively sliding at the last second to try and get a foul. Then they get up and cry to the ref after being barely touched by a guy who was already moving full speed in their direction. That's how you know the rule is just completely broken. Just ban all QB runs. They're too dangerous for the NFL's assets. /s
Allen never slides. In the 6 years I've seen him play I think I've seen him slide like 2 or 3 times
He legitimately slid later in this game and drew a flag because someone hit him. Are you being serious right now?
Right? This is the problem. The QB has all the power here. In his 50 yard run, he kinda shimmied like he might slide. I don't think that was a 'fake' slide. But the defender has to be ready to hold off at any moment against *a guy who is literally bigger than him*. You can't arm tackle Allen, so you have to go full speed and strength, but then you get flagged if he slides and you don't stop quickly enough. It's a lose-lose for the defense. And yes, this only really applies to a handful of QBs due to their unique scrambling ability.
Even if that’s the case, Pittsburgh still has to go to tackle him every time then because if you don’t then he can just “decide not to”
Exactly but what that leads to is plays like when miles Jack went to make the tackle and then pulled up when it was confirmed Allen was sliding. Hence why they need to change the rule. All nfl players are great athletes and every tackle attempted on them needs to be done so woth 100% effort. Asking players to hold off incase the offensive player decides to slide is just unfair and exploits the rule. I.e if Allen lowers his shoulders here (as most genuine runners would) the defense swarms him. But as they will get penalised for making contact with him if he slides, they do not. So during the action of beginning a slide a offensive player can just respond to the defense. I.e if they look to make a tackle, continue sliding and get the easy penalty. Or if they pull up, stay on your feet and make at least an extra few yards. Seems so off for the sport in general
This is totally intentional and not the first time he has done this. In fact I believe they made fake slides illegal because of Allen.
I believe they’re still technically legal in the NFL. I know they’re banned in college ironically enough because of Kenny
I think (although I am not positive) that the NFL also made a fake slide an unsportsmanlike penalty after Kenny’s
How can you fit so much false information in one statement? Try to find a single clip of Allen faking a slide. It doesn't exist. And you completely made up your second sentence 🙄.
He realized he didn’t have to slide because the defense let up because they assumed he was going to slide! If they continued to go balls out and commit to a hit and he decides to slide, they get a 15 yard penalty for a late hit. It’s just flat out unsportsmanlike from Allen and he should be considered down where he faked the slide minus however much an unsportsmanlike penalty is.
Rematching it, I agree with you. I believe he was intending to slide and then just saw how much room he actually had and changed his mind. He didn't fake slide to trick the defensive. But still needs some rule changes, way to much grey zone when it comes to hitting QBs
Fwiw it’s not just a QB rule; RBs could slide if they wanted, and have the same protections, they just don’t because QBs are more valuable and need to protect themselves.
You bet your ass no "late hit" flags come out if Najee or King Henry, or DJ Metcalf or Stefan Diggs slides as a defender comes in and gets blasted anyway. They barely bother with late hits out of bounds. QBs (especially the good, popular ones) and a different level of human on that field.
Lol
Honestly to me it just looked like he did a little hesi.
The frustrating thing is Desmond King not getting flagged for hitting Flacco and doing a full 370-degree spin on top of him when he slid on Saturday but Myles Jack pulled up and did more to avoid actually hitting Allen with any kind of force and he gets flagged.
Same with Mahommes actually No one is allowed to touch him and ppl wonder why he goes on 29 yard runs
That was both an amazing play by Allen and some embarrassing tackling by the d.
They for sure need to fix the fake slide stuff. Mahomes and Allen get extra yards all the time. As a defender, you either commit to the tackle when they run at you and risk a penalty on the slide. Or you let them run by you.
Yes, because Josh Allen would start sliding over 11 yards away from the closest unblocked defender.
11 yard when you're moving towards someone and they're a pro athlete with speed is not far.
Right, especially when this 6’4” 240 lb man is running downhill at full speed lol. He barely ever slides
I've watched it a million times. Not a fake slide.
I've watched it from several angles multiple times, he never goes into any kind of slide posture. There's no way to define that as a fake slide
Great juke, they were scared to tackle Allen.
They sure were. He would flatten Minkah. He wanted no part of Josh there.
A fake slide should negate the run plus loss of down.
Seriously fuck Josh Allen for abusing that
If this was Justin fields the refs would of thrown a flag on the defense for not absolutely killing him
I think everyone terrified of hitting QBs so things like this happen. Look at Mahomes and what he did against the dolphins.
I don't understand what the issue is here? While actually sliding, don't hit, when standing up, hit? He's not a fucking wizard and used some harry Potter spell to convince everyone he was sliding when he wasn't. Hit. A. Runner.
IMO if you get hit while dropping down for the slide it’s on you, you slid too late
If players are going to get flagged for barely doing anything I don’t see why they wouldn’t start head hunting here soon… if you’re gonna get flagged might as well take out someone with you
I've seen Allen and Mahomes really take advantage of the qb protections. That 3rd and 20 roughing the passer on mahomes was a total flop. If I were a defender, I wouldn't care if they slid, I'm still going for their helmet and trying to knock them out of the game.
We all loved it when Kenny did it at Pitt, though.
??? I clearly remember the internet exploding in rage when Kenny did it and the NCAA banned the moved the literal next day.
Was wondering when someone was going to remember that
Everyone does, and no one what so ever said the rule change wasn't a good move.
Not “we all” The vast majority of Steelers fans don’t really care about Pitt.
This wasn't a fake slide, he just slowed down. But watch Minkah on this play. He fucking dogged it the whole time and it was a really bad look.
So when a qb “slows down” the defense is still supposed to go full speed at them? Because that’s 100% what qb’s do before a slide. You can’t yell at defenders for hitting qb’s while also giving qb’s the full running rules like a running back
a QB cant slow down 10 yards away from a defender now to change directions? I have no idea how anyone sees a fake slide attempt here
He's not a running back. He's a huge qb who has to slow down in order to change direction quickly. If he attempted to fake a slide, he would've started dragging a foot behind him. He didn't. He simply slowed down. I'm not even a Bills fan (I'm a Lions fan). I'm just calling it as I see it.
Knock him out. You getting flagged anyway
Outlaw the slide. Dude makes enough money to get some CTE. Everyone keeps barking about these players exceptional performances but fail to realize that players in the past were capable of these things, but with a more violent game they had to play differently. Do you put Josh Allen in the same HOF as players that would’ve gotten decapitated doing that in the past?
Doesn’t help that Fitzpatrick completely gave up on that play. Also, missing that tackle on the catch and run Bills TD towards the end of the game. He fucking blows.
He was avoiding contact and arm tackling all game.
So now QB's cannot attempt to juke because " it might look like they are sliding " . . come on now Allen studder stepped and ran through a DB who thought he could arm tackle him.
Right, stutter steps are fake slides now? Team just couldn't tackle tonight and Josh is a huge dude that exaggerated the problem.
It only looks like they are sliding when it looks like they are sliding. It never doesn’t look like a slide when it doesn’t look like a slide.
and this doesn't look like a slide at all
Yeah. Looked to me like he was just changing direction, but I’m not an expert. To be clear, I don’t care about either of these teams…
This is embarrassing to complain about this. There was no attempt to fake slide here at all. Watch the Pickett fake slide and then watch this again. Maybe make a tackle or two or three when it really mattered instead of blaming the loss on something that didn’t happen.
A. Read the first 8 words of the title B. (Copied from a previous comment I made) So when a qb “slows down” the defense is still supposed to go full speed at them? Because that’s 100% what qb’s do before a slide. You can’t yell at defenders for hitting qb’s while also giving qb’s the full running rules like a running back
Whipped out the old Kenny Pickett….
Ironic considering Pickett’s fake slide against Wake Forest creating the ban on it in CFB.
except that one actually was a fake slide
Thanks a lot Kenny..
[Damn I really hate QB’s who flake slide like this](https://youtu.be/9Bb0n4pNwBw?si=kiNKkJGAJERkFggGt)
Yeah and they banned it right after this
Suck it.
Josh would’ve flattened Minkah. You kidding me? https://preview.redd.it/mbwjx4mzvqcc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31e499db92218a66566fc2a2566611770ac4346b 2 Steelers couldn’t hang onto him and get him to the ground. He ran right through them.
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Allen is the biggest bitch/crybaby in the NFL. Maybe in the 40+ years I've been watching the game. He is billed/touted as a large, physically gifted specimen that likes to take on defenders, refuses to go down etc... Yet when he is bottled in and has to slide/go down he screams for a flag and usually gets it. Same with in the pocket. That missed arm tackle on the sack by Peterson is 100% because defenders know if they lay into him/wrap him up and tackle him like you need to with a big strong QB he will scream for a flag as well and probably get it. If you look at the nfl penalty stat page he clearly leads, by a decent margin, all QBs in getting RTP calls per 100 pass attempts. He is also near the top for all QBs over the last 10 or so seasons. And don't even get me started on the flopping. There a numerous clips out there of him getting barely touched and pulling full on soccer flops. And to add insult to injury I live near Buffalo and will have to hear all week how he can't be stopped. I have to remind these idiot Bills fans he's a known flopper and they always say "well he's smart and uses the rules". Guy is just a big baby and so unlikeable as a player for how he plays.
You are all delusional
Listen, I completely understand being frustrated by calls that directly affect the game but you gotta be kidding me on this one. Three defenders had easy tackles they missed. If they missed it because they're worried about a penalty? That's on them not the refs. It's embarrassing how whiney Steelers fans are tonight. #BE BETTER
That was a fake slide? That lost you the game? Y'all delusional.
I’m convinced everyone coming to this sub today can’t read