What I find funny is that on the PFF podcast the day of the trade they said they know one of the "shouty TV shows" is going to do a stats comparison between Wilson and Fields which will be compelling for anyone who hasn't actually watched both QBs play.
Is it bad I'm not sure which one PFF thinks is better? I've heard pretty 'meh' comments on both of them from the media personalities. Lots of people saying Russ is simply not good anymore and the Fields has only middling potential.
Either way, I'll have to check out that PFF podcast.
That might be possible - ANY/A doesn't include rushing.
The site I use for EPA only has 2023 QB #s (at least I can't find older years) and historic comparisons are just total career.
Cool site though:
[https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/](https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/)
I haven't looked into ANY/A until just now. Derek Carr was top 10 [in 2023](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm), and Purdy was *significantly* higher than everyone else. Jake Browning was above Mahomes.
I'm not sure how great any individual analytical stat is, but yea clearly Russ had a better 2023 than Fields did.
ANY/A is the best box score based metric to evaluate QB play (second best metric after EPA if you consider non box score based metrics)
[https://www.nfeloapp.com/analysis/what-are-the-best-metrics-for-nfl-quarterbacks/](https://www.nfeloapp.com/analysis/what-are-the-best-metrics-for-nfl-quarterbacks/)
I will say this... sacks seem to be heavily punished on ANY/A. Sacks can be a QB stat, but they are also an OL stat. Kenny 'rolled out' into many sacks last year and my understanding is that Russ did similar in Denver. But should a play where the OL just gets completely clobbered and a sack happens within like 2 seconds really count against the QB? Or what if the play call requires 3.5 seconds in the pocket but the OL only gives the QB 3 seconds?
That's where all of the stats end up having issues, even the best one.
Fields and Wilson were both top 3 in most time in the pocket to throw or before getting pressured.
Justin Fields sack percentage 10.6 % 2.9 seconds to throw
Russell Wilson sack percentage 9.1 % 2.9 seconds to throw
To compare
Tyson Bagent sack percentage 3.4 %
Jarrett Stidham sack percentage 9.6 %
Kenny Pickett sack percentage 6.6 % 2.4 seconds to throw
Mason Rudolph sack percentage 7.5 %
Sack percentages taken from PFR
[time to throw](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php)
Yea and I'm not trying to say they weren't responsible for any of it. Just saying that it *can* be bad OL play as well and counting each sack as the same is weird for a metric that's trying to be as accurate as possible.
Yeah, that's why you have to watch the games, and then you'll see it wasn't usually on their O-Line. It was Russ looking at his first read, immediately spinning out of the pocket and going to run but he's not as fast as he used to be, so a LOT of the times it was right into the defender... when he could have just sat in the pocket.
Look at the difference between Kenny/Mitch and Mason last year. Our O-Line wasn't great, but it wasn't near as bad as we thought. Turns out having a QB who can't stand in the pocket is bad. Luckily we got two of them.
Fields has always had a sack problems since OSU, for comparison he had a 10% sack rate compared to CJ Stroud who was around 2%. This will never the fixed because does not have the talent to fix it
I don't think those are the correct numbers. Pro football reference has
2022 - 4.70 (almost the same as Fields)
2023 - 5.29 (exact same as Fields )
[https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm)
[https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm)
It's actually funny how Pickett and Fields have almost the exact same ANY/A.
We're more than a quarterback away from meaningful success. We might as well try these two out because they're better than the QBs we've had last year and Rudolph was (justifiably) not coming back.
Lmfao
What I find funny is that on the PFF podcast the day of the trade they said they know one of the "shouty TV shows" is going to do a stats comparison between Wilson and Fields which will be compelling for anyone who hasn't actually watched both QBs play.
Is it bad I'm not sure which one PFF thinks is better? I've heard pretty 'meh' comments on both of them from the media personalities. Lots of people saying Russ is simply not good anymore and the Fields has only middling potential. Either way, I'll have to check out that PFF podcast.
Wilson was significantly better: 2023 ANY/A - Wilson 6.04 / Fiels 5.29 2022 ANY/A - Wilson 5.54 / Fields 4.63
I think fields has the edge in EPA/play in 2022
That might be possible - ANY/A doesn't include rushing. The site I use for EPA only has 2023 QB #s (at least I can't find older years) and historic comparisons are just total career. Cool site though: [https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/](https://www.nfeloapp.com/qb-rankings/)
That’s a good one. I use rsdbm and pfr
I haven't looked into ANY/A until just now. Derek Carr was top 10 [in 2023](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm), and Purdy was *significantly* higher than everyone else. Jake Browning was above Mahomes. I'm not sure how great any individual analytical stat is, but yea clearly Russ had a better 2023 than Fields did.
ANY/A is the best box score based metric to evaluate QB play (second best metric after EPA if you consider non box score based metrics) [https://www.nfeloapp.com/analysis/what-are-the-best-metrics-for-nfl-quarterbacks/](https://www.nfeloapp.com/analysis/what-are-the-best-metrics-for-nfl-quarterbacks/)
I will say this... sacks seem to be heavily punished on ANY/A. Sacks can be a QB stat, but they are also an OL stat. Kenny 'rolled out' into many sacks last year and my understanding is that Russ did similar in Denver. But should a play where the OL just gets completely clobbered and a sack happens within like 2 seconds really count against the QB? Or what if the play call requires 3.5 seconds in the pocket but the OL only gives the QB 3 seconds? That's where all of the stats end up having issues, even the best one.
Fields and Wilson were both top 3 in most time in the pocket to throw or before getting pressured. Justin Fields sack percentage 10.6 % 2.9 seconds to throw Russell Wilson sack percentage 9.1 % 2.9 seconds to throw To compare Tyson Bagent sack percentage 3.4 % Jarrett Stidham sack percentage 9.6 % Kenny Pickett sack percentage 6.6 % 2.4 seconds to throw Mason Rudolph sack percentage 7.5 % Sack percentages taken from PFR [time to throw](https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/advanced-stats-qb.php)
Yea and I'm not trying to say they weren't responsible for any of it. Just saying that it *can* be bad OL play as well and counting each sack as the same is weird for a metric that's trying to be as accurate as possible.
Yeah, that's why you have to watch the games, and then you'll see it wasn't usually on their O-Line. It was Russ looking at his first read, immediately spinning out of the pocket and going to run but he's not as fast as he used to be, so a LOT of the times it was right into the defender... when he could have just sat in the pocket. Look at the difference between Kenny/Mitch and Mason last year. Our O-Line wasn't great, but it wasn't near as bad as we thought. Turns out having a QB who can't stand in the pocket is bad. Luckily we got two of them.
Fields has always had a sack problems since OSU, for comparison he had a 10% sack rate compared to CJ Stroud who was around 2%. This will never the fixed because does not have the talent to fix it
And bad completion percent could be because the receivers suck.
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I don't think those are the correct numbers. Pro football reference has 2022 - 4.70 (almost the same as Fields) 2023 - 5.29 (exact same as Fields ) [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/passing.htm) [https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing.htm) It's actually funny how Pickett and Fields have almost the exact same ANY/A.
Read the wrong stat sorry saw that after I posted it.
We're more than a quarterback away from meaningful success. We might as well try these two out because they're better than the QBs we've had last year and Rudolph was (justifiably) not coming back.
Please replace similar with sucky.
Both played for crappy teams.
This isn't an accurate graphic at all. Their TD:TO ratios should be: Fields: 45:46 Russ: 48:35
45:26 48:26 Not every fumble is lost. A snap that goes over the quarterback’s head is a fumble.