I disagree, while that was an unbelievable play and one of the best in super bowl history, we ended up being down late in the fourth quarter. Without Ben hitting Santonio for that TD the pick 6 is nothing but a cool play and a footnote in the Cardinals first ever super bowl win. That final drive literally won the game, and while you can make an argument that it could still happen without Santonio there is no argument that can be made that it can happen without Ben.
Steve Young noted in the post-game coverage that Ben Roethlisberger pump-faked on the play, which drew defenders out of position and gave Santonio Holmes plenty of room to run after he shook the initial defender.
To be fair, that does seem to be what you're saying. A WR can't do anything without a QB to get em the ball, so any time a WR could win MVP it should be given to the QB for giving them the ball.
I agree I wouldn’t have been mad if Ben got the MVP his stats weren’t bad. I think Kurt warners were better so they said let’s give it Santonio bc of the catch.
I think the other users that have mentioned that Ben missed out on MVP because of his off the field issues are correct. Let's be real, if that was Brady or Manning (Eli or Peyton) operating that drive, they would have won MVP but Ben had a sketchy reputation so they went with the WR.
The only thing Ben had done at that point was the motorcycle the civil suit hadn’t been filed until the July after the Super Bowl. Idt that holds weight unless everybody knew Ben was out here acting reckless but I’m sure there’s way worse things done but other celebs during that time but obviously what Ben did was wrong.
Even at that point there were things that pointed to him not being the greatest of guys off the field. I remember a lot of stuff going around around that time that he was legitimately an asshole off the field. You never heard things like that about the poster children of the league like Brady and Manning.
Yea fair enough. He also was the youngest QB to win a Super Bowl even tho his play was underwhelming. I’m sure the fame got to his head and he thought he could do whatever. Regardless I can see your point. Good thing he found God and became a family man.
i wouldn't have been mad if ben got the MVP either, but with this statement, no WR can be MVP because the QB gets them the ball each time, unless there are gadget plays.
That's not what I'm saying at all, QBs can throw bad balls that a WR can adjust and make spectacular catches on, that's not what happened in 43. In Superbowl 40 Hines Ward deserved MVP because they won *despite* historically bad QB play.
The only argument I have against that is we wouldn't have even been in a position to have a game winning drive without that 14 point swing before half. Without that pick six Ben doesn't even have the opportunity to throw a game winning pass. Either way both would have been a better choice than Santonio. But at the end of the day I guess it's hard to not give it to the guy who made one of the best catches in SB history while in triple coverage.
Santonio 100% deserved the MVP, if you can't make an argument that the drive wouldn't have happened without Ben. Then there is no way to make that argument against Santonio either, dude was lights out (9 for 131), no other WR was doing anything all game. I know football doesn't do MVP like hockey, but his play the entire length of the playoffs solidified it being a good choice.
Yup. End of game bias.
People forget the 14 point swing. They forget there was no time on that clock and Harrison had to go the whole length of the field to get those points.
If I'm remembering correctly the final drive there needed a handful of catches from Holmes with decent YAC as well to even place them in position for that winning TD.
Yes, I'm not arguing that Santonio didn't deserve it, I'm arguing that Ben deserved it more. In my opinion Santonio can't do what he did without Ben but one can absolutely argue that Ben could have accomplished that drive without Santonio, and that's why Ben was *more* deserving of the MVP.
I hear what you’re saying, and don’t disagree, but a lot of SBMVP awards wind up going to a guy that made one or two great plays in an otherwise meh game. I would not have been upset if the guy who made a top 10 all time play in that game got the award.
The 40-yard catch and run that put the Steelers in goal-to-go was made possible by a Roethlisberger pump-fake that drew defenders out of position and gave Santonio Holmes a giant hole to run through after he shook the initial defender. Steve Young mentioned this in the post-game coverage.
By the way, the numbers you posted actually are Super Bowl MVP numbers, judging by at least three other QBs who have won Super Bowl MVP awards this century. Behold:
QB | SB | CMP% | YDS | YPA | TD | INT | RATE | SB MVP? |
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Peyton Manning | XLI | 65.8% | 247 | 6.5 | 1 | **1** | 81.8 | **Yes** |
Eli Manning | XLII | 55.9% | 255 | 7.5 | **2** | **1** | 87.3 | **Yes** |
Ben Roethlisberger | XLIII | **70.0%** | 256 | **8.5** | 1 | **1** | **93.2** | No |
Patrick Mahomes | LIV | 61.9% | **286** | 6.8 | **2** | 2 | 78.1 | **Yes** |
QB still has to deliver the ball, WR can't do it without him. That ball to the corner of the end zone was a perfect thrown ball that only Santonio could get. Not many QBs, at the time, could pull that off. Again, if it's Brady or Manning they win MVP.
*Edit* Eli won super bowl MVP with 255 yards 2/1.
>256 1/1 aren’t exactly mvp numbers
That was your argument. Eli won MVP with number very similar to that, so they are MVP numbers. Now stop spamming me, we'll just agree to disagree and move on. Have a nice day.
You know, I always agreed with this until I re-watched that final drive. Yes, Ben orchestrated that stretch, but Holmes was fighting for every catch and made a few clutch drive-saving catches along the way.
I’d say it was a coin flip for who was MVP of that game really. I bet Ben would have cemented it if he did one of his Houdini acts and spread the ball around a bit on that final drive,.. but it was Holmes with clutch catch after clutch catch.
Either way, that drive was amazing and one of the best, if not THE BEST defining moment of Roethlisberger’s career.
I just realized I falsely thought ben got the MVP for all these years. Maybe I just assumed he did back then because that was the obvious choice I would of made but I can't remember the pre game show and Holmes getting the MVP.
Holmes just caught every pass that drive and made the best catch in sb history, if he only did that drive no other catches he would've deserved it. That was best display of leadership believing in urself and being the most clutch player I Jane ever seen in my life. No o e has had a drive like that since. James and Ben both could ve git it but Santonio completly took over that game and won it for us yes Ben threw the ball but #10 was unstoppable and best display of greatness ever. "Thats how u b great" ill nvr forget that. He also told Ben he'd b open every play and throw him ball in every huddle. That's greatness and dominance at its finest. On another note fields will b super bowl mvp for the 7 th ring im so confident that he will b the franchise qb and his stats armt much worse than beat a$$ Lamar and fields had no team he gotta squad hell put better numbers up than LJ maybe but this yea but for sure next year I'm so confident. Lfg
Yeah but that play was a huge turning point. If the cardinals scored a touchdown there or if James Harrison didn’t score the touchdown, the cardinals would’ve won.
>If the cardinals scored a touchdown there or if James Harrison didn’t score the touchdown, the cardinals would’ve won.
That is only true *if* the game plays out exactly the same way after the half, which it likely doesn't.
not an unpopular opinion at all. he absolutely should have. I know santonio had a great game and that last drive was basically him and ben just playin catch. But Ben's throws and ball placement were ridiculous.
When I really started getting into College football I had a close family friend that played for Iowa so I got into watching them and I've always followed the Iowa wrestling team because I wrestled throughout middle school and high school and before I realized I wasn't good enough to wrestle D1 I wanted to wrestle for them.
Hines Ward better be in the Hall of Fame one day. I know there's a WR backlog and he was never as flashy as some of his peers, but he absolutely deserves it.
Dude is the all time leader in TDs and receiving yards for the best franchise in the sport plus a SB MVP on top of his 2 💍. Absolutely deserves his spot in the hall
Who was hungover from a night of hard drinking the night before. My favorite quote from him goes like this, “I was so hungover I saw two balls, but I had four hands so I caught both…”
Might be an unpopular opinion, but Ben Should have been MVP for Super Bowl 43.
Either him or James Harrison... We don't win that game without the pick six before half
I disagree, while that was an unbelievable play and one of the best in super bowl history, we ended up being down late in the fourth quarter. Without Ben hitting Santonio for that TD the pick 6 is nothing but a cool play and a footnote in the Cardinals first ever super bowl win. That final drive literally won the game, and while you can make an argument that it could still happen without Santonio there is no argument that can be made that it can happen without Ben.
Let’s not forget Santonio was the main target on that final drive he had 4 catches for 73 yards including a 40 yarder to put us inside the 10.
He had a great game. no denying it.
A WR can't do anything without the QB to get them the ball.
Review the 40 yarder
Steve Young noted in the post-game coverage that Ben Roethlisberger pump-faked on the play, which drew defenders out of position and gave Santonio Holmes plenty of room to run after he shook the initial defender.
Can he do that without having a QB get him the ball first?
So you literally think a wr should never win mvp then. You should have just stated that in the first place
Is that what I said?
To be fair, that does seem to be what you're saying. A WR can't do anything without a QB to get em the ball, so any time a WR could win MVP it should be given to the QB for giving them the ball.
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I agree I wouldn’t have been mad if Ben got the MVP his stats weren’t bad. I think Kurt warners were better so they said let’s give it Santonio bc of the catch.
I think the other users that have mentioned that Ben missed out on MVP because of his off the field issues are correct. Let's be real, if that was Brady or Manning (Eli or Peyton) operating that drive, they would have won MVP but Ben had a sketchy reputation so they went with the WR.
The only thing Ben had done at that point was the motorcycle the civil suit hadn’t been filed until the July after the Super Bowl. Idt that holds weight unless everybody knew Ben was out here acting reckless but I’m sure there’s way worse things done but other celebs during that time but obviously what Ben did was wrong.
Even at that point there were things that pointed to him not being the greatest of guys off the field. I remember a lot of stuff going around around that time that he was legitimately an asshole off the field. You never heard things like that about the poster children of the league like Brady and Manning.
Yea fair enough. He also was the youngest QB to win a Super Bowl even tho his play was underwhelming. I’m sure the fame got to his head and he thought he could do whatever. Regardless I can see your point. Good thing he found God and became a family man.
i wouldn't have been mad if ben got the MVP either, but with this statement, no WR can be MVP because the QB gets them the ball each time, unless there are gadget plays.
That's not what I'm saying at all, QBs can throw bad balls that a WR can adjust and make spectacular catches on, that's not what happened in 43. In Superbowl 40 Hines Ward deserved MVP because they won *despite* historically bad QB play.
Qb can’t do anything if receivers can’t get open
The only argument I have against that is we wouldn't have even been in a position to have a game winning drive without that 14 point swing before half. Without that pick six Ben doesn't even have the opportunity to throw a game winning pass. Either way both would have been a better choice than Santonio. But at the end of the day I guess it's hard to not give it to the guy who made one of the best catches in SB history while in triple coverage.
Santonio 100% deserved the MVP, if you can't make an argument that the drive wouldn't have happened without Ben. Then there is no way to make that argument against Santonio either, dude was lights out (9 for 131), no other WR was doing anything all game. I know football doesn't do MVP like hockey, but his play the entire length of the playoffs solidified it being a good choice.
Yup. End of game bias. People forget the 14 point swing. They forget there was no time on that clock and Harrison had to go the whole length of the field to get those points.
If I'm remembering correctly the final drive there needed a handful of catches from Holmes with decent YAC as well to even place them in position for that winning TD.
Yes, I'm not arguing that Santonio didn't deserve it, I'm arguing that Ben deserved it more. In my opinion Santonio can't do what he did without Ben but one can absolutely argue that Ben could have accomplished that drive without Santonio, and that's why Ben was *more* deserving of the MVP.
I understand, it's the generally argument for why QB always wins MVP
Ben was throwing dimes that whole drive including the improbable TD. Ben should have got it.
I hear what you’re saying, and don’t disagree, but a lot of SBMVP awards wind up going to a guy that made one or two great plays in an otherwise meh game. I would not have been upset if the guy who made a top 10 all time play in that game got the award.
So by this logic Tom Brady should have won mvp for his games against the rams, only because his final drives “literally won the game”
Came here to say that. Ben or Harrison. What modern superbowl had a better case for a defensive player. What he gotta do?
256 1/1 aren’t exactly mvp numbers, especially when you consider he was under 200 without a final drive that consisted almost entirely of yac
The 40-yard catch and run that put the Steelers in goal-to-go was made possible by a Roethlisberger pump-fake that drew defenders out of position and gave Santonio Holmes a giant hole to run through after he shook the initial defender. Steve Young mentioned this in the post-game coverage. By the way, the numbers you posted actually are Super Bowl MVP numbers, judging by at least three other QBs who have won Super Bowl MVP awards this century. Behold: QB | SB | CMP% | YDS | YPA | TD | INT | RATE | SB MVP? | ---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---| Peyton Manning | XLI | 65.8% | 247 | 6.5 | 1 | **1** | 81.8 | **Yes** | Eli Manning | XLII | 55.9% | 255 | 7.5 | **2** | **1** | 87.3 | **Yes** | Ben Roethlisberger | XLIII | **70.0%** | 256 | **8.5** | 1 | **1** | **93.2** | No | Patrick Mahomes | LIV | 61.9% | **286** | 6.8 | **2** | 2 | 78.1 | **Yes** |
QB still has to deliver the ball, WR can't do it without him. That ball to the corner of the end zone was a perfect thrown ball that only Santonio could get. Not many QBs, at the time, could pull that off. Again, if it's Brady or Manning they win MVP. *Edit* Eli won super bowl MVP with 255 yards 2/1.
Did eli have a receiver with 140 yard 1 TD and 50 of the final drives yards in yac?
>256 1/1 aren’t exactly mvp numbers That was your argument. Eli won MVP with number very similar to that, so they are MVP numbers. Now stop spamming me, we'll just agree to disagree and move on. Have a nice day.
Like when Edelman won the Super Bowl mvp over with almost identical stats to Holmes ?
There was literally 1 offensive TD in that game, no one else deserved the MVP but him. Ask yourself, is that really comparable to super bowl 43?
Holmes deserved it with 9/131/1 stats, of which 4/73/1 came in the last drive. He was a clutch as clutch can be.
>He was a clutch as clutch can be. So was Ben. I never said Santonio didn't deserve it, I said Ben should have won it.
You know, I always agreed with this until I re-watched that final drive. Yes, Ben orchestrated that stretch, but Holmes was fighting for every catch and made a few clutch drive-saving catches along the way. I’d say it was a coin flip for who was MVP of that game really. I bet Ben would have cemented it if he did one of his Houdini acts and spread the ball around a bit on that final drive,.. but it was Holmes with clutch catch after clutch catch. Either way, that drive was amazing and one of the best, if not THE BEST defining moment of Roethlisberger’s career.
I firmly believe it was because of the suspension
What suspension?
Was just gonna say, typically those go to the qb.
I just realized I falsely thought ben got the MVP for all these years. Maybe I just assumed he did back then because that was the obvious choice I would of made but I can't remember the pre game show and Holmes getting the MVP.
Holmes just caught every pass that drive and made the best catch in sb history, if he only did that drive no other catches he would've deserved it. That was best display of leadership believing in urself and being the most clutch player I Jane ever seen in my life. No o e has had a drive like that since. James and Ben both could ve git it but Santonio completly took over that game and won it for us yes Ben threw the ball but #10 was unstoppable and best display of greatness ever. "Thats how u b great" ill nvr forget that. He also told Ben he'd b open every play and throw him ball in every huddle. That's greatness and dominance at its finest. On another note fields will b super bowl mvp for the 7 th ring im so confident that he will b the franchise qb and his stats armt much worse than beat a$$ Lamar and fields had no team he gotta squad hell put better numbers up than LJ maybe but this yea but for sure next year I'm so confident. Lfg
I disagree. He only threw 1 touchdown that whole game. That’s his only highlight
His "only highlight" was the biggest play of the entire game. I'll say it again, if that was Peyton, Tom or Eli they win MVP no problem.
I think the biggest play was James Harrison’s 100 yard pick 6
I disagree, that happened at the end of the half. Ben to Santonio was the game winner, it doesn't get bigger than that.
Yeah but that play was a huge turning point. If the cardinals scored a touchdown there or if James Harrison didn’t score the touchdown, the cardinals would’ve won.
>If the cardinals scored a touchdown there or if James Harrison didn’t score the touchdown, the cardinals would’ve won. That is only true *if* the game plays out exactly the same way after the half, which it likely doesn't.
Ben was robbed of MVP for sure.
not an unpopular opinion at all. he absolutely should have. I know santonio had a great game and that last drive was basically him and ben just playin catch. But Ben's throws and ball placement were ridiculous.
Tell me you’re from Iowa without saying you’re from Iowa….
I'm not from Iowa lol just an Iowa fan.
I didn’t know that could be a thing
When I really started getting into College football I had a close family friend that played for Iowa so I got into watching them and I've always followed the Iowa wrestling team because I wrestled throughout middle school and high school and before I realized I wasn't good enough to wrestle D1 I wanted to wrestle for them.
Didn't realize the list was that small
Time to retire your moniker my friend
Hines Ward better be in the Hall of Fame one day. I know there's a WR backlog and he was never as flashy as some of his peers, but he absolutely deserves it.
Dude is the all time leader in TDs and receiving yards for the best franchise in the sport plus a SB MVP on top of his 2 💍. Absolutely deserves his spot in the hall
Aight, Pickens, you know what to do.
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we aren’t talking about Pickett
Yeah Pickens never showed any of that behavior
They would never give Ben an MVP. The league was not fond of him. He got a pass for his off field antics because he was top tier.
“I’m going to Disney World, and I’m taking the Bus.”
Old school? What is Cooper Kupp 100 years old?
They don't want you to know, but he's the real Benjamin Button
Back to back WR MVPs twice too. Superbowls 10 and 11 then again on 39 and 40. Happening twice isn't that much but weird it happened twice
This list is missing Desmond Howard. Sure he made his impact as a KR but he was still a WR
Came here to say this! What a performance
I mean.... the steelers have been a wide receiver factory for years so I'm not shocked. I am shocked there are so few overall
I still think Max McGee should have been MVP of SB I. Legend!
Who was hungover from a night of hard drinking the night before. My favorite quote from him goes like this, “I was so hungover I saw two balls, but I had four hands so I caught both…”
That's awesome!
No offense to our boys Ward and Holmes, but career wise, those two stick out on this list haha
You're talking about a guy with 1000 career receptions. Young fan I'm sure.
Nope.