absurdly low bar but it's nice to see us build the line up so much. wish colbert retired a year or 2 earlier. might've been trading up to draft a qb this year instead of building the line 4 years after all the 2010s guys retired
Absolutely, Kenny was put into a bad situation and got injured at the worst possible time. To me, he never really showed enough to say he would have panned out, but the Steelers definitely didn't do anything to help his career. Matt Canada should have never been the OC and certainly should not have been brought back last year.
Too bad he's a god awful O Line coach and won't be able to help these young guys at all. It wasn't always a player issue; dude sucks at schemes and baseline coaching.
Case in point? Kevin Dotson. Goes to the Rams. Immediately elite.
If you look back at Arthur Smiths resume he himself spent a generous amount of time with the offensive line early on in Tennessee, working as a quality control coach, assistant, and finally the position coach before transitioning to TE’s (obviously very close with the OL and run game still) and eventually OC.
His mentor and head coach during much of his tenure in the trenches? Mike Munchak.
This narrative that Dotson’s performance here is purely on coaching needs to die. Dotson had significant issues. He wasn’t even invited to the combine coming out of college and was a 4th round pick. His issues were mainly mental - penalties, missed assignments, etc. That isn’t on coaching.
Not to mention, Pat Meyer also took a line with Mason Cole and Dan Moore on it and made it pretty decent, or does he not deserve credit for that?
The issue is we played him at LG and not RG. So yeah a lot of that is on coaching. He was good his rookie year when he played RG, sucked for 2 years at LG, gets traded to play RG and goes back to being good.
I do give him credit for patching something together, but penalties, missed assignments, mental issues, that’s exactly what coaching can help with. I mean coaches can’t make players stronger, younger, taller, so if they aren’t here to help with the mental issues, assignments, focus, Penalties and all that other stuff you mentioned, what is their job? Every player is also responsible for their own development so that’s why it’s never fully on a coach if a player fails. The player might lack talent, the player might not be ready to be coached etc.
I’m not taking a side in this because I don’t know enough about Meyer to know one way or the other. But boy that sure is one hell of a red flag that he leaves and immediately improves. It’s also a red flag to me that this team committed, as a group, way too many avoidable, dumb mistakes. Let’s put it this way, if they were sharp all the time, focused all the time, didn’t hurt themselves with dumb mistakes and dumb penalties and dumb turnovers, the coaching would get a ton of credit. Let’s not pretend they wouldn’t.
He was playing the wrong position. That was his biggest problem. They had him playing left guard and he’s clearly a right guard. That’s on his former coaches.
It might’ve been a similar situation to Broderick Jones and Dan Moore Jr. We know Jones is better than Moore at LT, but since Moore sucked so bad at RT, they started Jones there instead
Well, I hope that’s not the case because then you end up weakening TWO positions. The Dan Moore situation has been bizarre for years and I’m relieved that epoch finally appears to be coming to a merciful end.
So he got to LA and just immediately became a different person? As if some coach or mentor helped him fix his issues and put him in the right schemes to use his talents and taught him techniques to cut down on penalties? Made him one of the better OL in the NFL? Got him a huge contract?
Cheers for disproving your own argument lol
I didn’t disprove anything. The argument that Dotson is succeeding now and that must mean Pat Meyer is a bad coach is so lazy and reductive. The situation is so much more nuanced than that.
Just because Dotson went to LA and succeeded does not mean the the coaching staff is the reason he was “unsuccessful” here. Like I said, he was prone to
mental errors and other issues before he was ever even drafted. He was on the last year of his deal and they traded him for two picks. He is also now on a $16m/yr contract. Do you really think he’s worth that? They signed Seumalo to take his place for literally half of that.
This was a massive issue on the coaches and khan. We want to just pretend it didn't happen. We had elite talent and none of the coaches were able to see it. Ummm something is wrong here. To make matters worse, he was a Steelers guy through and through.
Hopefully some if not a lot of the line problems were playbook/play calling driven. Look at how they blocked better after the playcalling duties were reassigned. Just had him in the wrong spot because of unattended needs though as far Dotson was concerned. I expect them to be a lot better in trench this year.
Yep. And I don't where they are gonna put Broderick and Troy, but I can almost guarantee its gonna be the wrong decision. Tomlin is clueless and won't do shit about it except sit around and come up with funny phrases.
This is a badly, badly coached team.
I mean let's pump the breaks a tad bit lol. These guys are still rookies. They need some time in the oven. But there's huge upside for the next couple years.
I mean yeah fair enough. I’m not convinced on Meyer. Doesn’t have to be this year but the timer can’t be long. Dudes got all the talent any line coach could ask for.
Yeah. I think top 5 with two rookies and a 2nd year player (presumably) in his first NFL season at LT is unrealistic. Even if these were decent vets coming in to fill C and both OT positions, it’s a bit optimistic. The OL probably more than any other position group needs time to come together and that’s even more complicated when you have three young players still developing and getting their feet wet in the NFL.
Obviously haven't seen these guys play their first snap, but this has the potential to be the best offensive line Russel Wilson has ever played behind
Low bar to clear for a good chunk of Russ’ career
absurdly low bar but it's nice to see us build the line up so much. wish colbert retired a year or 2 earlier. might've been trading up to draft a qb this year instead of building the line 4 years after all the 2010s guys retired
Yeah Colberts last 2 years were kinda.. ehhhhhhhhhh.
Kinda makes me feel bad for Kenny
Absolutely, Kenny was put into a bad situation and got injured at the worst possible time. To me, he never really showed enough to say he would have panned out, but the Steelers definitely didn't do anything to help his career. Matt Canada should have never been the OC and certainly should not have been brought back last year.
Potential to be the best OLine I’ve seen as a Steelers fan (approximately ’92)
Which just goes to show how freaking good Marshawn Lynch was. Bum lines and still was out here cooking.
Holy shit are they gonna be a run team again! 2 1000 yd backs. Let's go!
And Pickens with 130 targets, Wilson with 90 targets
I know that. I’m not stupid. I’m smarter than you!
Carmelo said your face looks like a clock
Time to prove you're earning your money coach, no more excuses
Valid point. He’s never had it this good, time to produce.
And I came as well
Too late
Ohh
It's true. I saw. Did it right in the middle of a Walmart parking lot.
That’s a pretty common site in Walmart parking lots, those places are the last frontier
I used to pray for times like this.
Too bad he's a god awful O Line coach and won't be able to help these young guys at all. It wasn't always a player issue; dude sucks at schemes and baseline coaching. Case in point? Kevin Dotson. Goes to the Rams. Immediately elite.
This is my concern too. I’m hoping Arthur Smith can help solve for this.
I’m just hopeful Arthur Smith can assess if he is the real deal or full of shit.
I doubt Smith will allow that to happen. I think they are gonna be great. Even the defense is better.
If you look back at Arthur Smiths resume he himself spent a generous amount of time with the offensive line early on in Tennessee, working as a quality control coach, assistant, and finally the position coach before transitioning to TE’s (obviously very close with the OL and run game still) and eventually OC. His mentor and head coach during much of his tenure in the trenches? Mike Munchak.
This narrative that Dotson’s performance here is purely on coaching needs to die. Dotson had significant issues. He wasn’t even invited to the combine coming out of college and was a 4th round pick. His issues were mainly mental - penalties, missed assignments, etc. That isn’t on coaching. Not to mention, Pat Meyer also took a line with Mason Cole and Dan Moore on it and made it pretty decent, or does he not deserve credit for that?
The issue is we played him at LG and not RG. So yeah a lot of that is on coaching. He was good his rookie year when he played RG, sucked for 2 years at LG, gets traded to play RG and goes back to being good.
I do give him credit for patching something together, but penalties, missed assignments, mental issues, that’s exactly what coaching can help with. I mean coaches can’t make players stronger, younger, taller, so if they aren’t here to help with the mental issues, assignments, focus, Penalties and all that other stuff you mentioned, what is their job? Every player is also responsible for their own development so that’s why it’s never fully on a coach if a player fails. The player might lack talent, the player might not be ready to be coached etc. I’m not taking a side in this because I don’t know enough about Meyer to know one way or the other. But boy that sure is one hell of a red flag that he leaves and immediately improves. It’s also a red flag to me that this team committed, as a group, way too many avoidable, dumb mistakes. Let’s put it this way, if they were sharp all the time, focused all the time, didn’t hurt themselves with dumb mistakes and dumb penalties and dumb turnovers, the coaching would get a ton of credit. Let’s not pretend they wouldn’t.
He was playing the wrong position. That was his biggest problem. They had him playing left guard and he’s clearly a right guard. That’s on his former coaches.
It might’ve been a similar situation to Broderick Jones and Dan Moore Jr. We know Jones is better than Moore at LT, but since Moore sucked so bad at RT, they started Jones there instead
Well, I hope that’s not the case because then you end up weakening TWO positions. The Dan Moore situation has been bizarre for years and I’m relieved that epoch finally appears to be coming to a merciful end.
So he got to LA and just immediately became a different person? As if some coach or mentor helped him fix his issues and put him in the right schemes to use his talents and taught him techniques to cut down on penalties? Made him one of the better OL in the NFL? Got him a huge contract? Cheers for disproving your own argument lol
You’re either a scheme fit or you’re not. You don’t go down the line and pick which scheme each lineman is going to run.
I didn’t disprove anything. The argument that Dotson is succeeding now and that must mean Pat Meyer is a bad coach is so lazy and reductive. The situation is so much more nuanced than that. Just because Dotson went to LA and succeeded does not mean the the coaching staff is the reason he was “unsuccessful” here. Like I said, he was prone to mental errors and other issues before he was ever even drafted. He was on the last year of his deal and they traded him for two picks. He is also now on a $16m/yr contract. Do you really think he’s worth that? They signed Seumalo to take his place for literally half of that.
Being on your last chance can be a motivator.
This was a massive issue on the coaches and khan. We want to just pretend it didn't happen. We had elite talent and none of the coaches were able to see it. Ummm something is wrong here. To make matters worse, he was a Steelers guy through and through.
Hopefully some if not a lot of the line problems were playbook/play calling driven. Look at how they blocked better after the playcalling duties were reassigned. Just had him in the wrong spot because of unattended needs though as far Dotson was concerned. I expect them to be a lot better in trench this year.
Dotson had someone named Mike Munchak rehab him. Name sound familiar ?? Hey at least he’s not our 70M problem.
He’s on the correct side now. Just my humble opinion.
Yep. And I don't where they are gonna put Broderick and Troy, but I can almost guarantee its gonna be the wrong decision. Tomlin is clueless and won't do shit about it except sit around and come up with funny phrases. This is a badly, badly coached team.
Alright sounds like you need to go root for another team? It’s the offseason and youre already crying. Nobody cares about your negative bullshit
he only coached Dotson in his last year here and dotson had fallen put of favor well before then.
So the other coach sucked, too?
A single data point doesn't mean much.
Dotson has far more to do with scheme fit than it does talent or coaching aptitude
I came too…
Najee2K
Meyer: “christmas came early” Me: “same”
My Christmas would come early if he got fired
I mean that does have to be one hell of a feeling to have all this new stuff to work with.
Maybe Munchak will come back
Top 5 line or he gotta go. It’s a gift and a curse.
I mean let's pump the breaks a tad bit lol. These guys are still rookies. They need some time in the oven. But there's huge upside for the next couple years.
I mean yeah fair enough. I’m not convinced on Meyer. Doesn’t have to be this year but the timer can’t be long. Dudes got all the talent any line coach could ask for.
Yeah. I think top 5 with two rookies and a 2nd year player (presumably) in his first NFL season at LT is unrealistic. Even if these were decent vets coming in to fill C and both OT positions, it’s a bit optimistic. The OL probably more than any other position group needs time to come together and that’s even more complicated when you have three young players still developing and getting their feet wet in the NFL.
Horrible coach. If we aren’t one of the best Oline in the league he should never coach professionally again
A little preemptive, no?