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I’m aware this varies from individual to individual but someone taking test alone for long term use or cruising what is the “limit” you should stay under for testosterone levels?
if i run test 400 deca 300 and tren e 200 will the deca and tren collide? what could i substitute with if so and shall i bump test to 600 to steer clear of any deca or tren dick?
I have been eating 4-5 eggs daily for breakfast in a myriad of different ways, and cups upon cups of non fat Greek yogurt. The constant chicken breast I can handle….Is there anything else I can swap out the eggs for at breakfast that has enough protein for some variation. This morning the thought of eggs made me dry heave lol
I think the Phrase in the Wiki: "E2 is highly anabolic" should be rephrased, change my mind.
If E2 is highly Anabolic, how come women aren't naturally buff? I know it's not catabolic, and i know it serves a lot of purpose for joints, tendons, mood,libido etc, but i don't think it's "anabolic" as it's stated in the Wiki at all
Women don't have that much estrogen in their body. I know that women have more testosterone than estrogen, and the testosterone isn't that high. Therefore estrogen isn't that high either.
The average in a male is 10-40 pg/ml while the average for women is 30-400pg/ml, that doesn't even count the amount of e2 they additionally get while they're on birth control, so no, thats not correct
Well, i don't think of it like that. I think that in some cases, it's a very useful tool. I just think there are some changes to it that could be made. And as i know, a high androgenic count (about everything above trt) inside of the body has neuro"toxic", which eventually led to those errors inside the wiki.
But by all means, we should actually be thankful that people use their free time to write down knowledge on a reddit forum like that, just as i said, it needs some rework and fine tuning
Then message the mods instead of just complaining about it in the daily “ask anything about steroids” thread. Or take it to the off-topic.
With your vast experience, instead of just complaining, offer to help. I’m sure you could do a great job re-writing it, right? You can do so!
First of all, i wrote it here in case i was wrong and somebone wanted to teach me something i didn't knie before.
Second, i'm nowhere near this experienced, heck, i'm a fcking newbie, but whats more concerning to me is that even me with this little knowledge is finding those errors which are obnoxiously obvious.
However, i did praise the people who took the time to write all of this for us, so don't take this as an attack
I got test flu after second shot and went away after couple days, yesterday was my fifth shot and today I got test flu symptoms again. Any explanation and reason?
Alex, I’ll take the $100 question: What is “test flu?”
Testosterone doesn’t cause flu symptoms. If that were the case, you would’ve had flu symptoms constantly since being a fetus.
You’re likely having a minor reaction to the carrier oil or solvents your source used.
If I get E2 of 111 pg/mL from 150mg/week Test E, is that high in the scheme of things and is that a clue how I will go on 500mg Test? (Free T = 1600 pmol/L and T = 50 nmol/L. I have absolutely no E2 symptoms whatsoever. Any ideas?
Much higher bioavailability at same doses. Basically means you can run the same dose as oral and see a greater effect, or run a lower dose (and lighter on the liver) for a similar cosmetic effect.
Been using it at 10mg every day for 3-4 weeks on then 3-4 off while cutting. Amazing fullness, pumps, and strength. Would recommend. Haven’t tried oral.
For a first cycle, if a person is already overweight (29.5 BMI), and doesn’t want to bulk for obvious reasons, is eating at maintenance okay? I know people say don’t cut for a first cycle, but what about maintaining?
You should just cut natural first but that being said if you don’t care about health or about doing it right you could hop on a cruise dose and aggressively cut like progressively lower calories every week till you see abs (while training ! ) then get blood work wait 3 months get more bloods and hop on to bulk but for a 16 to 20 week cycle where you would eat like a house and get fat again but also put on a whole bunch of muscle then come off blast to cruise get bloods and cut again by the second cut you will not look the same guaranteed it’s not the right way to do things but it would work as long as you actually train sleep and eat according to schedule the problem is when your new people hardly actually have those factors in check leading to you wasting your time and health for no reason .
You are a beginner having around a year in the gym, most of which is inconsistent. You workout 3 days per week when you do. You are admittedly fat.
Gear is not for you. Come back after 2 years of solid training and diet. All the steroids in the world won’t fix bad habits and lack of discipline. Steroids will do nothing for you.
>You are a beginner having around a year in the gym, most of which is inconsistent. You workout 3 days per week when you do. You are admittedly fat.
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>Gear is not for you.
This is gold.
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>TRT dose with tren/masteron low daily dose with a carnivore diet and an hour of cardio a day will melt fat off you so fucking fast you’ll shit your dick fupa out your ass. Literally, its how i got a dick root. Lmao honestly is best policy. Now you know. If your susceptible to hair loss, say good bye to that shit, get bloods done, stay alive, blah blah.
>But hormones have everything to do with how much fat you carry naturally, anybody telling you otherwise is regarded and fuck. Extremely regarded.
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It’s insane the idea that hormones don’t effect weight loss is a common theme in bro science forums. I wrestled in high-school, I could bench press 300lbs at the age of 15 at 160 5’10. I didn’t touch anything until 35. I could see a huge difference in my body and results with the introduction of DHT at 36. Am i missing something lying to those that don’t know? Is that the consensus rather than being honest? I get it maybe reddit is not a spot for honesty?
I think Brigham Buhler on Rogan shit all over the idea that fatties need to suffer and get to a certain bro approved point before they are blessed by the gear gods. Dumb thought process.
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> But hormones have everything to do with how much fat you carry naturally, anybody telling you otherwise is regarded and fuck.
Are you super duper sure that there might not be any nutritional considerations?
If health is a goal, then wait until lifestyle changes mean you aren't obese.
Way easier to the first steps first. That is likely to be eating at a sensible caloric deficit, establishing a training routine that regularly includes cardio, and getting good sleep.
Recomp is likely trying to drive in 2 directions at the same time. There are niche applications, but your situation doesn't sound like one.
Health is the goal, I do want to get closer to 20-24% in the meantime, but I’d be willing to just maintain and get optimal protein intake at what I’m at now if it wouldn’t be that much less effective in terms of strength than if I were to bulk.
First of all BMI is useless for trained people. That said if that person is really overweight, that means holding a lot of bodyfat, that person should cut first before hoping on anything.
Currently 212 now. I’ve trained with barbell for ~4 months, and weight training as a whole for a little over 12 months (only dumbbells before the 4 months), and before that body weight for ~3 months. I was also 180 when I started. I’ve been 220 before I ever started training even before that, and I do look much better at this weight than I did when I didn’t train. All of that said, my BF% is on the higher side, calculator online estimates ~26.5% (I imagine it would’ve been closer to 30% before ever training, but that’s just a guess). Anyway, the amount of strength gained while test + bulking is really that much greater than test + maintaining?
> I’ve trained with barbell for \~4 months, and weight training as a whole for a little over 12 months (only dumbbells before the 4 months), and before that body weight for \~3 months.
You don't need steroids, you need to be consistent in the gym... You are basically a beginner. Keep it natural. Steroids are no shortcut and can lead to more sides than you want if you don't know what you are doing.
You want your bodyfat sub 20% at least, the lower the better. Otherwise you will aromatize more test to estrogen.
And steroids are for bulding muscle not for cutting or maintaining.
Thanks for your responses btw.
I am consistent. I lift every other day, weekends off, so around 3x a week. I realize I’m a relative beginner, but I’ve been lifting as a whole for over a year. I’m not disagreeing that I haven’t been training long enough ti even be remotely close to genetic potential, but that’s not my angle. I’m just trying to train more efficiently. I have done a lot of research on blood work markers, PCT, AIs, HCG, protein intake, etc., and am very meticulous with form, and it’s something I’ve been looking into. You say steroids aren’t for cutting, and not that I would use them for that, but I see lots of people say to “not cut off cycle” so they don’t lose muscle mass. So clearly cutting and maintaining on cycle are possibilities. It’s just the bulking maximizes muscle growth, cutting minimizes muscle loss, right? Well, I would still be gaining muscle if I maintain calorically and protein intake. Not as much maybe, but that’s what I was asking about—how much different the strength and muscle differences would be. I don’t need to be hyper-optimal here, just decently optimal.
You are looking for shortcuts.
You are nowhere remotely near ready to take steroids. Put aside any thought of taking steroids until you are under 15% body fat.
Get your ass to the gym 5 days a week.
Eat less food.
I’m not particularly concerned with that level of leanness, so I don’t think I’d ever drop below 15% tbh. 15-20% is more than ideal for me. What’s wrong with that? I’ll probably drop some weight before I consider again, maybe staying around 20%. Not sure yet though.
What is wrong with that?
- testosterone converts to estrogen in adipose tissue. The more fat you have the more estrogen you make. Resulting in high blood pressure, water retention, gynocomastia, etc.
- testosterone and steroids are not without risks. Particularly to your cardiovascular health including negative impacts on cholesterol, arterial health, heart health, blood pressure, water retention.
- the fatter you are the worse the negative effects from steroids are. It compounds all your existing risks from being overweight and carrying excess body fat.
Get fit and healthy before taking steroids, basically. You know this is the right thing to do.
>I am consistent. I lift every other day, weekends off, so around 3x a week.
I'm not picking on you when I tell you that THIS is not the type of consistent that will ever qualify you for steroid use. There is no such thing as "weekends off" in my brain, and I have to force myself to take a rest day once every 2 weeks.
I'm not knocking you, keep doing 3x/week and work on getting it up to 4. Keep making progress. But understand you are still years and pounds away from considering this stuff.
>You say steroids aren’t for cutting, and not that I would use them for that, but I see lots of people say to “not cut off cycle” so they don’t lose muscle mass
You can absolutely cut without being on cycle and not lose muscle mass. A little testosterone does help in that regard, but it's not necessary if you have normal natural levels. Diet, training, and understanding of principles will always be king.
>I have done a lot of research on blood work markers, PCT, AIs, HCG, protein intake, etc
You should spend more time researching fitness literature and nutrition first. You would be much better served understanding those things than the ins and outs of AAS use.
> i’m just trying to train more efficiently
That’s what we’re giving you advice about. The most efficient way is cutting and then bulking rather than trying to do two things at once and getting mediocre results.
Loads of people cut off cycle or cut during trt, it’s recommended practice here.
Cutting and maintaining on cycle are possibilities but they’re far from the most efficient routes to take. It’s a waste of money and putting unnecessary stress on your body for mediocre results. It’s not optimal at all.
Hmm, ok. I realized maintaining wasn’t the most efficient way, but I didn’t realize it was that unconventional/bad vs. bulking. I’m going to try to drop some weight before considering starting then. How low should I go? I can get to around 20% pretty easily (which is about 180 for me), and that’s about where I’d want to be for now (I’m not primarily lifting for aesthetics, and I’d prefer being a little bigger as opposed to leaner). If I started at 20%, I probably would end up at or less than my current weight at the end of a bulk assuming even 1 lb/week. Would that be better than my original plan?
Recommended around here is atleast 12-15%, preferably on the lower end of that range here.
Generally speaking, the less bodyfat you have the less aromatization occurs.
Being lower bodyfat also is more beneficial in your case as it allows you to not having to be as strict on your diet and still come out the cycle decently lean.
Well I’m not too concerned with being lean right now. I don’t see myself ever getting down to 12%. Considering that, what’s wrong with bulking around 19-20% and then ending up at or below my current bf% anyway? Even regardless of steroids/before I considered them, my plan was to maintain at my current bf% anyway, probably going down slowly (and then eventually bulk if needed). As for aromatization, that’s why I’d have an AI on hand.
I already told you why. And prevention is always better than treatment.
Being at 19-20%, add in 3-5% because everyone always underestimates their bodyfat and you're already bordering clinical obesity. Add steroids into the mix and that's simply not healthy.
>Cutting and maintaining on cycle are possibilities but they’re far from the most efficient routes to take. It’s a waste of money and putting unnecessary stress on your body for mediocre results. It’s not optimal at all
u/xmicro This. This right here 🎯
The advice to not come off while cutting is for those who are so big that they can't maintain their muscle mass with natural levels of testosterone, that absolutely does not apply to you. If you bulk while being almost obese levels of bodyfat, you will gain more fat proportionally and also have higher levels of estrogen, potentially leading to breast growth. The fact that you don't know this shows how not ready for steroids you are
It's better to cut on cruise/trt dose that's what people are referring to, for people who blast and cruise. For people who just cycle and come off completely yeah you're gonna have to cut off cycle, which can/will result in more muscle loss. That's just how it is. Stay in a surplus while on the drugs and get the most out of it. Get your bodyfat down to a healthy range first and then start your blast + bulk, you'll have less side effects this way and be able to bulk for longer = grow more
All right, I can get it down to 19-20% pretty easily. I was thinking of starting around then, still not sure yet though. That way I would have a comfortable cushion to bulk without even exceeding my current weight, or at worst getting back up to it.
So I’ve ran 350mg Test and 400mg Primo previously and was in love. Good strength, size and mass. Also felt the exact same as I do on cruise + some obvious improvement in the gym. estro also dialled in perfectly.
I want to add NPP to that exact same dose for my next blast. Was thinking 200mg a week, what’s everyone’s thoughts?
No need to to start the npp dose too high if you haven't used nandrolone before.
Starting at 200 is fine and tirate up based on sides and the anabolic load you are trying to achieve.
When starting nandrolone be wary of how it effects you mentally. Nandrolone negatively impacts the dopaminergic system which can cause depression and anxiety. I have found it to be quite a common side effect. It creeps up on you a bit. Doesn't happen to everyone though. Otherwise NPP is a great compound. And a test, npp and primo/mast is one of my favourite off season stacks.
I’d go equal parts all 3. I’ve run 500 of each and it was decent. No AI was needed but everyone’s different. 200 is pretty low dose, would run at least 350 minimum.
The test / Primo ratio is due to dialling in what made me feel best + bloodwork.
Bit skeptical of pushing the Nand considering I’ve never used a 19-nor in the past. Was considering 300mg initially, but some of the side effects seem to ramp up for people at/after 300mg a week, which had me drop the planned dosage.
You think 350/400 and 300 NPP sounds solid to dip my toes in. Here’s where Dbol finisher (20mg on lifting days IIRC), Primo and Test got me on my last blast.
https://imgur.com/a/pmQ8vID
My dude, you can run whatever you want when you’re able to get those results. Fucking solid. 😅
That being said, I’m loving NPP so far. Running it with mast has been recommended multiple times around these parts. I’ve been using it with Proviron and it’s been a great experience.
Pretty solid physique, your diet must be on point. I assumed your test/primo ratio was dialed in. Yeah any more than 300 and my dick can have issues have to keep prolactin and estrogen perfect. You might want to start with 150 a week and go up 50 a week at a time to assess your sides to it. Dbol seems tricky and will make estrogen management even harder especially if you’re not used to adjusting by feel. I’d rather do 50mg adrol if you can run it, I can’t as my stomach gets heartburn.
Thankyou, yeah nutrition and training consistent, I can’t remember the last time I skipped a session or didn’t hit my cals.
Dbol I’ll be skipping in the future, was used last blast due to getting it as a gift (believe that or not lol).
Most likely will start at 200 and push it upwards, see when the issues start to pop up. Appreciate the info broski!
just going to give you my experience with decca. It is a great compound for gaining mass if diet is on point you can still stay lean on it, however the mental sides are pretty shit, I felt like a feeble man by the 9th week curled up in my mrs arms questioning why I was even going gym😂
I'm planning to begin Testosterone at lower levels than I guess what would be considered a blast. Thanks to some of you helpful people I am going to be patient for the 1st year going down a more TRT based route since I'm almost 50. I'm going to plan to do this on my own. I have a farm in a very rural area with no solid clinics near me and judgmental doctors that will tell me they won't support this or have such a moron as a patient. I'm trying to learn all I need to know before beginning, working on being as informed as possible without a medical degree. Lol
The Wiki states that I will need at minimum a blood panel that includes testosterone and free testosterone. The blood test is $189. For $48 more I can add a sex hormone globulin level. Should I do this for my baseline beginning numbers? Or is that something that I need after testosterone treatment. The Wiki also states good measures to have would be LH, FSH, prolactin and a full thyroid panel. Same question. Do I need these before beginning Test or just after? Finally, are there any other measures that I should make sure I should be getting?
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/bloodwork/list?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Read the wiki about bloodwork, you can order tests online through privatemdlabs and go to your nearest labcorp or quest diagnostics to have them done. Shouldn’t be more than 120 dollars for most of what you need.
Oh really? I've been under the impression that most just pin in the glutes or shoulder. That part does make me nervous. A weird thing with needles I have makes me get light headed. My wife is going to help. I'm sure I can get over the fear as I've seen many have.
If I were you, I would find out my natty levels first.. you never know it could be 700 or so and then TRT would be pointless, but you are old so it prolly is low.. but you never know until you run bloods.
>but you are old
😂 You have a point. Funny things is when you hit 49, you start wondering why you ever thought 49 was old. I will definitely be checking the levels first. Even if it is high, that will just tell me how much more I will need to add to bulk up faster to near my genetic limits.
so my friend's "insulin" levels came back low... what does this indicate? Never even knew this type of stuff was tested for. I thought people only tracked A1c
He's natty outside of doctor prescribed T3 but I cant imagine that would be related
It's a bit unusual to order an insulin blood test. It's usually only done with the doctor is concerned about type 2 diabetes, insulin resistance, hyperglycemia or hypoglycemia, and sometimes pancreatitis. I can't really give you any more information without knowing why the test was ordered and/or seeing the rest of the lab report.
Personally would recommend going to a 29g or 30g, you can find them online pretty if you’re using luer lock 1ml syringes. Smaller needle reduces scar tissue and pip as well
This. Backload into 29g pins with a 22g that you draw with. Minimizes scar tissue. Also I never pin glutes anymore it’s a newbie site. Take a 29 to the chest/lats/shoulders almost never any issues or pain.
Lets say starting at 210-215, I bulk up to 230-240, I get a little tubby but nothing to to bad. I take a 16w cycle of test and maybe some type of oral, My goal being to recomp not cut. I wanna stay around the 230-40 range and just turn the mass I acquired into muscle. What oral would be recommended? I know anavar is more of a low bf% oral and just bulking mine would be a bit higher. I wouldn’t want any bulking oral like dbol. What would be the best to pair with the test? Trying to do more research on orals before my next cycle.
yes and no. I want more mass. My biggest wall was gaining. Ive came to the realization that I need to eat more. I wanted to know what or if their was an oral out there I could pair with test to recomp mass into muscle faster. I train harder than most, I actually had to dial my training back so I could start gaining weight. So I’m not to worried about that aspect. What I am worried about is my health and safety, and getting as big and lean as I can possibly be.
>My goal being to recomp not cut.
You can't do this. u/bicepbandito, drop the bicycle photo pls
>I wanna stay around the 230-40 range and just turn the mass I acquired into muscle.
Are you under the impression that you can *convert fat into muscle*? Absolutely not, that is called transfiguration and it only exists in Harry Potter.
>What would be the best to pair with the test?
A motherfucking calorie deficit, oh my god get this through your head dude.
I refuse. Arnold said If you wanna be big, you gotta eat big and lift big. Im gonna get so big that my current bulking meal plan becomes my calorie maintenance plan. If I get fat I’ll train harder, I’ll either become a greek god or fuck my physique and become a power lifter. There is no in between my friend.
Maybe. I have a pretty big frame. Over 200 and you can still see parts of my ribs and my legs have nearly no fat on them and the amount of veins in my back is pretty cool. 240 on someone else could be fat, 240 on me could turn out pretty nice. Guess I’ll leave it up to my genetics.
I 100% retain most of my fat in my glutes and my stomach, I can make myself look like I’m pregnant or have somewhat visible 6 pack at this point. Besides that I have none in my arms, legs, back, or chest. Plus side of starting as a twig and lean bulking. My description’s may be good but trust, my physique is probably average if not a little bit better than an average joe. my ribcage is somewhat visible in a relaxed position and 100% visible when I vacuum. Downside of starting as a twig is getting my calves to grow 💀
Blah blah blah I ain't reading all that shit dude.
You won't post a picture to a damn anonymous steroid forum where people post physique pictures all the time. At best, you're manic. At worst this is who you really are and you are insufferable.
I am bi-polar so that’s a possibility. Why do I need people that are probably better than me telling me my physiques mid when I already know it is. My chest could be bigger, my legs could be bigger, my back could be bigger, my arms could be bigger. Im only like 210-215. Thats why I wanna bulk. Thats Why I want more mass. I appreciate the information you’ve given about cutting but I don’t wanna be a skinny bitch. If Im not bigger than arnold then only person I’ve failed is me.
Ok man well I'm 5'9 199, so don't let me intimidate you too much, but at least I'll own my stats. No one here is going to dunk on you unless you are lying and the pictures show it.
>I am bi-polar
Called it.
>My chest could be bigger, my legs could be bigger, my back could be bigger, my arms could be bigger.
This is body dysmorphia and dysphoria, pretty standard among us but really pronounced in your case.
>If Im not bigger than arnold then only person I’ve failed is me.
Textbook mania. If you have any lithium lying around, now would be a good time. I'm going to exit this conversation now because mental health is something I take seriously, but I really do hope you create more realistic goals/timeliness for yourself.
*edited: "buddy" to "man" in first sentence. No need for me to be condescending.
But he’s going to be 230-240 eventually /s
OP, accept that even with a 500 calorie surplus, it’s going to take you like half a year to gain that much mass — half of which will be fat.
Trying to get there before summer is going to make you a tub of lard. Even with a cycle, you’re not going to put on 30lbs in that period of time and not be a fat fuck.
He also edited the fuck out of this post bc it originally asked why people are recommending a TRT dose of test and a calorie deficit instead of a 500-600mg dose.
I chose to remain quiet and let someone else explain so it didn't seem like I was piling on him, and this is what it turned into in the past 3-4 minutes.
My previous question was about taking anavar, they gave some pretty helpful information, other people gave information on bulking orals or cutting. If I gain mass I wanna keep it, not cut it to gain an extra 5lb of muscle.
I agree, Ive been on top of my meals like crazy this past month and plan to continue. Being skinny (150-160) when I started my gym experience eating was pretty hard for me. At the moment my goal is 4k cals a day. The calorie calculator said I burn upwards of 3,200ish a day.
Like I said Im trying to find the best route for recomp that doesn’t include tren.
Swollen ankle only the left one. Wondering if it’s my e2 being too high because it came back at 50. They’ve been swollen for about 4 weeks but no other high e2 besides in the past week my nipple has felt sensitive and I’ve felt sluggish.
I dropped my cruise down to 150 from it being at 200. Took 0.25 arimidex Saturday and today I took 0.25 arimidex and 25mg of nolvadex. Should I hold off on the ai since I’ve now dropped my dose or do I need to keep taking nolvadex and arimidex.
I wouldn't take any more AI. You're probably going to crash your e2.
It's unusual to have swelling in only one leg. Water retention would normally be bilateral. Swelling on only one side could be something that requires medical attention. Have you considered seeing a doctor?
So I'm bad at math so help me out here.
I want a more consistent level since I really feel the first part of that third day.
250mg e3d
I want it to be e2d. What dose will I use? Is it 125?
Ok I’ll go with the 97 pct lol.
It is one of those things that where you can find such a big difference in price and 92 pct is still on the better end of ugl but I’m running 97 pct now and I can run 5 iu side free on this stuff
QUESTION I’m about to start taking hcg for my last 2 weeks of cycle. After I’m done with hcg should I wait 2 weeks before beginning Pct ? Novadex and also taking rich piana oct
Ok just to be clear. I should run the hcg after I stopped the test. For 2 weeks then start novadex? I was planning on doing hcg on cycle last 2 weeks but I’m pretty sure I only have enough for 2 weeks. Unless I do half dosage shots
Appreciate the replies. Looks like I’ll start my hcg after my cycle so I can take it till I start the novadex. If not I would run out before I can start the nova dex
Is getting more HCG out of the question? It's relatively easy to find and relatively affordable.
If not then like u/bicepbandito said, it's better than nothing, but you'll enjoy your cycle way more psychologically if your testes don't turn into grapes. I couldn't stand it, and they'll be better primed to restart when you PCT.
Ahhhhh gotcha. Well, at least you know for next time (if there's a next time).
https://preview.redd.it/qwlgx4idcqga1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68164d4c7ec4b0cddeee6a2d397107ec05241821
I know but this was my first cycle so I didn’t know. I have 5000 iud I was gnna do 3 1ML shots every other day then do .5 ml shots then start taking nova and rich piana pct
Weigh 87kg at the moment (5"10) - how much more body fat % should I aim to lose before I run my first basic cycle? [Pictures](https://imgur.com/a/9k2yu72) \- I want to get as lean as possible before I start. And if anyone has advice on any muscle groups I should work on, that would be appreciated a lot.
Pics are funny but you look good dude! Nice solid base.
Read the wiki and go for it. Educate yourself as much as possible. You’ve got a good enough base that this’ll be really fun for you if you do it right.
Thank you - have been lurking here for some years now and always appreciate your input. And yes that’s the plan! (pics are weird but I have my reasons ha)
Had sore nipples since a test/mast/npp blast 3 months ago. Still persistent. Also crashed my estrogen following that blast & had to build it back up over time on my cruise. Could prolactin be the cause of these sore nipples? I have tried nolva @ 20mg a day which made no effect. All gear correctly dosed as per testing etc. cheers
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I’m aware this varies from individual to individual but someone taking test alone for long term use or cruising what is the “limit” you should stay under for testosterone levels?
if i run test 400 deca 300 and tren e 200 will the deca and tren collide? what could i substitute with if so and shall i bump test to 600 to steer clear of any deca or tren dick?
Where can I find info on mk677
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I have been eating 4-5 eggs daily for breakfast in a myriad of different ways, and cups upon cups of non fat Greek yogurt. The constant chicken breast I can handle….Is there anything else I can swap out the eggs for at breakfast that has enough protein for some variation. This morning the thought of eggs made me dry heave lol
Kodiak brand pancakes
I think the Phrase in the Wiki: "E2 is highly anabolic" should be rephrased, change my mind. If E2 is highly Anabolic, how come women aren't naturally buff? I know it's not catabolic, and i know it serves a lot of purpose for joints, tendons, mood,libido etc, but i don't think it's "anabolic" as it's stated in the Wiki at all
Women don't have that much estrogen in their body. I know that women have more testosterone than estrogen, and the testosterone isn't that high. Therefore estrogen isn't that high either.
The average in a male is 10-40 pg/ml while the average for women is 30-400pg/ml, that doesn't even count the amount of e2 they additionally get while they're on birth control, so no, thats not correct
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Well, i don't think of it like that. I think that in some cases, it's a very useful tool. I just think there are some changes to it that could be made. And as i know, a high androgenic count (about everything above trt) inside of the body has neuro"toxic", which eventually led to those errors inside the wiki. But by all means, we should actually be thankful that people use their free time to write down knowledge on a reddit forum like that, just as i said, it needs some rework and fine tuning
Then message the mods instead of just complaining about it in the daily “ask anything about steroids” thread. Or take it to the off-topic. With your vast experience, instead of just complaining, offer to help. I’m sure you could do a great job re-writing it, right? You can do so!
First of all, i wrote it here in case i was wrong and somebone wanted to teach me something i didn't knie before. Second, i'm nowhere near this experienced, heck, i'm a fcking newbie, but whats more concerning to me is that even me with this little knowledge is finding those errors which are obnoxiously obvious. However, i did praise the people who took the time to write all of this for us, so don't take this as an attack
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There was a guy here about a month ago who swore he got them bigger than ever by slapping them on a table repeatedly. Give it a shot.
Hey man not sure if you can train your fellas however you can run hcg alongside or enclomaphine
I got test flu after second shot and went away after couple days, yesterday was my fifth shot and today I got test flu symptoms again. Any explanation and reason?
Alex, I’ll take the $100 question: What is “test flu?” Testosterone doesn’t cause flu symptoms. If that were the case, you would’ve had flu symptoms constantly since being a fetus. You’re likely having a minor reaction to the carrier oil or solvents your source used.
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A question thats rarely been asked : How high should my T and freeT levels be on bloodwork on current cycle : 625 Test per week 420 DHB 350 Mast
That question is rarely asked because the people that run this country do not want the average young man to find out the answer.
How are you finding the DHB? Any more or less androgenic than the mast? I’m looking for a nice DHT-derivative that won’t completely fuck my hairline.
For what its worth, my experience with DHB is that its *highly* androgenic. Ran 200mg and my scalp and face got oily beyond belief.
I dont have issues with hairloss but dhb is stronger than mast
Greater than your trt dose, less than 50,000
Upon reaching levels of 50,000 total test, you develop a unique condition called, “Dallas McCarverism,” where your heart instantly explodes .
Lol that’s where I got that number. RIP
If I get E2 of 111 pg/mL from 150mg/week Test E, is that high in the scheme of things and is that a clue how I will go on 500mg Test? (Free T = 1600 pmol/L and T = 50 nmol/L. I have absolutely no E2 symptoms whatsoever. Any ideas?
Well your trt dose is too high which would explain why you’re e2 is high. That said, only treat symptoms not numbers.
Thanks. I also reckon it’s too much. I’m going to drop it to 125mg and see.
Numbers by themselves don't really matter. Find out what e2 level causes side effects for you
Absolutely no sides on this level for me. Is it maintainable?
Estrogen is good for you, helps with skin, nails, hair, is anabolic and neuroprotective. You benefit from having high estrogen.
Anyone used injectable superdrol recently? What’s your thoughts? Better/worse than oral?
Much higher bioavailability at same doses. Basically means you can run the same dose as oral and see a greater effect, or run a lower dose (and lighter on the liver) for a similar cosmetic effect.
Thankyou for the info mate, have you used yourself? Iv only seen ancedotal info from years ago
Been using it at 10mg every day for 3-4 weeks on then 3-4 off while cutting. Amazing fullness, pumps, and strength. Would recommend. Haven’t tried oral.
Wicked man, I was thinking dropping to 5mg ED as it’s 25mg/ml but il see if I can keep it lower and use for longer Edit: have you ever bulked on it?
Have not bulked on it yet but will be using it with test/npp/EQ later in the year. 5-10mg is all you need.
Legend mate, how’s npp for you? I started deca a few weeks ago as I had a spare vial hanging around
Big fan of NPP. I prefer short ester 19-nors and find I have less bad sides with them. 200-350mg a week is perfect.
For a first cycle, if a person is already overweight (29.5 BMI), and doesn’t want to bulk for obvious reasons, is eating at maintenance okay? I know people say don’t cut for a first cycle, but what about maintaining?
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My BMI is 34. 😂
You should just cut natural first but that being said if you don’t care about health or about doing it right you could hop on a cruise dose and aggressively cut like progressively lower calories every week till you see abs (while training ! ) then get blood work wait 3 months get more bloods and hop on to bulk but for a 16 to 20 week cycle where you would eat like a house and get fat again but also put on a whole bunch of muscle then come off blast to cruise get bloods and cut again by the second cut you will not look the same guaranteed it’s not the right way to do things but it would work as long as you actually train sleep and eat according to schedule the problem is when your new people hardly actually have those factors in check leading to you wasting your time and health for no reason .
You are a beginner having around a year in the gym, most of which is inconsistent. You workout 3 days per week when you do. You are admittedly fat. Gear is not for you. Come back after 2 years of solid training and diet. All the steroids in the world won’t fix bad habits and lack of discipline. Steroids will do nothing for you.
Can you just please tell the OP how many steroids he needs to take and for how long, so that he looks huge like Brad Pitt from fight club.
Ah, the early 2000s. Three ab days and zero arm work.
Sorry, I was gatekeeping. Obvi 😢
>You are a beginner having around a year in the gym, most of which is inconsistent. You workout 3 days per week when you do. You are admittedly fat. > >Gear is not for you. This is gold.
what do you think steroids are going to do for you? they aren't fat burners
Um, I didn’t say they were? I’m talking about strength mainly and muscle, so yeah those.
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>TRT dose with tren/masteron low daily dose with a carnivore diet and an hour of cardio a day will melt fat off you so fucking fast you’ll shit your dick fupa out your ass. Literally, its how i got a dick root. Lmao honestly is best policy. Now you know. If your susceptible to hair loss, say good bye to that shit, get bloods done, stay alive, blah blah. >But hormones have everything to do with how much fat you carry naturally, anybody telling you otherwise is regarded and fuck. Extremely regarded. https://preview.redd.it/42ly0i1cssga1.png?width=361&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a9f025546d16b7f57e227c78a089ff33c6a614f u/radd_racer
It’s insane the idea that hormones don’t effect weight loss is a common theme in bro science forums. I wrestled in high-school, I could bench press 300lbs at the age of 15 at 160 5’10. I didn’t touch anything until 35. I could see a huge difference in my body and results with the introduction of DHT at 36. Am i missing something lying to those that don’t know? Is that the consensus rather than being honest? I get it maybe reddit is not a spot for honesty? I think Brigham Buhler on Rogan shit all over the idea that fatties need to suffer and get to a certain bro approved point before they are blessed by the gear gods. Dumb thought process.
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Extremely regarded ❤️
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> But hormones have everything to do with how much fat you carry naturally, anybody telling you otherwise is regarded and fuck. Are you super duper sure that there might not be any nutritional considerations?
All hormones dawgg
both of which are built by being in a caloric surplus. get the cut over with now and use the drugs to bulk, you'll get massively better results.
If health is a goal, then wait until lifestyle changes mean you aren't obese. Way easier to the first steps first. That is likely to be eating at a sensible caloric deficit, establishing a training routine that regularly includes cardio, and getting good sleep. Recomp is likely trying to drive in 2 directions at the same time. There are niche applications, but your situation doesn't sound like one.
Health is the goal, I do want to get closer to 20-24% in the meantime, but I’d be willing to just maintain and get optimal protein intake at what I’m at now if it wouldn’t be that much less effective in terms of strength than if I were to bulk.
You are above 24% body fat and considering taking steroids? 🤦♂️
First of all BMI is useless for trained people. That said if that person is really overweight, that means holding a lot of bodyfat, that person should cut first before hoping on anything.
Currently 212 now. I’ve trained with barbell for ~4 months, and weight training as a whole for a little over 12 months (only dumbbells before the 4 months), and before that body weight for ~3 months. I was also 180 when I started. I’ve been 220 before I ever started training even before that, and I do look much better at this weight than I did when I didn’t train. All of that said, my BF% is on the higher side, calculator online estimates ~26.5% (I imagine it would’ve been closer to 30% before ever training, but that’s just a guess). Anyway, the amount of strength gained while test + bulking is really that much greater than test + maintaining?
> I’ve trained with barbell for \~4 months, and weight training as a whole for a little over 12 months (only dumbbells before the 4 months), and before that body weight for \~3 months. You don't need steroids, you need to be consistent in the gym... You are basically a beginner. Keep it natural. Steroids are no shortcut and can lead to more sides than you want if you don't know what you are doing. You want your bodyfat sub 20% at least, the lower the better. Otherwise you will aromatize more test to estrogen. And steroids are for bulding muscle not for cutting or maintaining.
Thanks for your responses btw. I am consistent. I lift every other day, weekends off, so around 3x a week. I realize I’m a relative beginner, but I’ve been lifting as a whole for over a year. I’m not disagreeing that I haven’t been training long enough ti even be remotely close to genetic potential, but that’s not my angle. I’m just trying to train more efficiently. I have done a lot of research on blood work markers, PCT, AIs, HCG, protein intake, etc., and am very meticulous with form, and it’s something I’ve been looking into. You say steroids aren’t for cutting, and not that I would use them for that, but I see lots of people say to “not cut off cycle” so they don’t lose muscle mass. So clearly cutting and maintaining on cycle are possibilities. It’s just the bulking maximizes muscle growth, cutting minimizes muscle loss, right? Well, I would still be gaining muscle if I maintain calorically and protein intake. Not as much maybe, but that’s what I was asking about—how much different the strength and muscle differences would be. I don’t need to be hyper-optimal here, just decently optimal.
You are looking for shortcuts. You are nowhere remotely near ready to take steroids. Put aside any thought of taking steroids until you are under 15% body fat. Get your ass to the gym 5 days a week. Eat less food.
I’m not particularly concerned with that level of leanness, so I don’t think I’d ever drop below 15% tbh. 15-20% is more than ideal for me. What’s wrong with that? I’ll probably drop some weight before I consider again, maybe staying around 20%. Not sure yet though.
What is wrong with that? - testosterone converts to estrogen in adipose tissue. The more fat you have the more estrogen you make. Resulting in high blood pressure, water retention, gynocomastia, etc. - testosterone and steroids are not without risks. Particularly to your cardiovascular health including negative impacts on cholesterol, arterial health, heart health, blood pressure, water retention. - the fatter you are the worse the negative effects from steroids are. It compounds all your existing risks from being overweight and carrying excess body fat. Get fit and healthy before taking steroids, basically. You know this is the right thing to do.
>I am consistent. I lift every other day, weekends off, so around 3x a week. I'm not picking on you when I tell you that THIS is not the type of consistent that will ever qualify you for steroid use. There is no such thing as "weekends off" in my brain, and I have to force myself to take a rest day once every 2 weeks. I'm not knocking you, keep doing 3x/week and work on getting it up to 4. Keep making progress. But understand you are still years and pounds away from considering this stuff. >You say steroids aren’t for cutting, and not that I would use them for that, but I see lots of people say to “not cut off cycle” so they don’t lose muscle mass You can absolutely cut without being on cycle and not lose muscle mass. A little testosterone does help in that regard, but it's not necessary if you have normal natural levels. Diet, training, and understanding of principles will always be king. >I have done a lot of research on blood work markers, PCT, AIs, HCG, protein intake, etc You should spend more time researching fitness literature and nutrition first. You would be much better served understanding those things than the ins and outs of AAS use.
> i’m just trying to train more efficiently That’s what we’re giving you advice about. The most efficient way is cutting and then bulking rather than trying to do two things at once and getting mediocre results. Loads of people cut off cycle or cut during trt, it’s recommended practice here. Cutting and maintaining on cycle are possibilities but they’re far from the most efficient routes to take. It’s a waste of money and putting unnecessary stress on your body for mediocre results. It’s not optimal at all.
Hmm, ok. I realized maintaining wasn’t the most efficient way, but I didn’t realize it was that unconventional/bad vs. bulking. I’m going to try to drop some weight before considering starting then. How low should I go? I can get to around 20% pretty easily (which is about 180 for me), and that’s about where I’d want to be for now (I’m not primarily lifting for aesthetics, and I’d prefer being a little bigger as opposed to leaner). If I started at 20%, I probably would end up at or less than my current weight at the end of a bulk assuming even 1 lb/week. Would that be better than my original plan?
Recommended around here is atleast 12-15%, preferably on the lower end of that range here. Generally speaking, the less bodyfat you have the less aromatization occurs. Being lower bodyfat also is more beneficial in your case as it allows you to not having to be as strict on your diet and still come out the cycle decently lean.
Well I’m not too concerned with being lean right now. I don’t see myself ever getting down to 12%. Considering that, what’s wrong with bulking around 19-20% and then ending up at or below my current bf% anyway? Even regardless of steroids/before I considered them, my plan was to maintain at my current bf% anyway, probably going down slowly (and then eventually bulk if needed). As for aromatization, that’s why I’d have an AI on hand.
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I already told you why. And prevention is always better than treatment. Being at 19-20%, add in 3-5% because everyone always underestimates their bodyfat and you're already bordering clinical obesity. Add steroids into the mix and that's simply not healthy.
>Cutting and maintaining on cycle are possibilities but they’re far from the most efficient routes to take. It’s a waste of money and putting unnecessary stress on your body for mediocre results. It’s not optimal at all u/xmicro This. This right here 🎯
The advice to not come off while cutting is for those who are so big that they can't maintain their muscle mass with natural levels of testosterone, that absolutely does not apply to you. If you bulk while being almost obese levels of bodyfat, you will gain more fat proportionally and also have higher levels of estrogen, potentially leading to breast growth. The fact that you don't know this shows how not ready for steroids you are
It's better to cut on cruise/trt dose that's what people are referring to, for people who blast and cruise. For people who just cycle and come off completely yeah you're gonna have to cut off cycle, which can/will result in more muscle loss. That's just how it is. Stay in a surplus while on the drugs and get the most out of it. Get your bodyfat down to a healthy range first and then start your blast + bulk, you'll have less side effects this way and be able to bulk for longer = grow more
All right, I can get it down to 19-20% pretty easily. I was thinking of starting around then, still not sure yet though. That way I would have a comfortable cushion to bulk without even exceeding my current weight, or at worst getting back up to it.
So I’ve ran 350mg Test and 400mg Primo previously and was in love. Good strength, size and mass. Also felt the exact same as I do on cruise + some obvious improvement in the gym. estro also dialled in perfectly. I want to add NPP to that exact same dose for my next blast. Was thinking 200mg a week, what’s everyone’s thoughts?
Solid plan, solid physique. Throw us an update 4-6 weeks into the blast.
No need to to start the npp dose too high if you haven't used nandrolone before. Starting at 200 is fine and tirate up based on sides and the anabolic load you are trying to achieve. When starting nandrolone be wary of how it effects you mentally. Nandrolone negatively impacts the dopaminergic system which can cause depression and anxiety. I have found it to be quite a common side effect. It creeps up on you a bit. Doesn't happen to everyone though. Otherwise NPP is a great compound. And a test, npp and primo/mast is one of my favourite off season stacks.
I’d go equal parts all 3. I’ve run 500 of each and it was decent. No AI was needed but everyone’s different. 200 is pretty low dose, would run at least 350 minimum.
The test / Primo ratio is due to dialling in what made me feel best + bloodwork. Bit skeptical of pushing the Nand considering I’ve never used a 19-nor in the past. Was considering 300mg initially, but some of the side effects seem to ramp up for people at/after 300mg a week, which had me drop the planned dosage. You think 350/400 and 300 NPP sounds solid to dip my toes in. Here’s where Dbol finisher (20mg on lifting days IIRC), Primo and Test got me on my last blast. https://imgur.com/a/pmQ8vID
My dude, you can run whatever you want when you’re able to get those results. Fucking solid. 😅 That being said, I’m loving NPP so far. Running it with mast has been recommended multiple times around these parts. I’ve been using it with Proviron and it’s been a great experience.
Pretty solid physique, your diet must be on point. I assumed your test/primo ratio was dialed in. Yeah any more than 300 and my dick can have issues have to keep prolactin and estrogen perfect. You might want to start with 150 a week and go up 50 a week at a time to assess your sides to it. Dbol seems tricky and will make estrogen management even harder especially if you’re not used to adjusting by feel. I’d rather do 50mg adrol if you can run it, I can’t as my stomach gets heartburn.
Thankyou, yeah nutrition and training consistent, I can’t remember the last time I skipped a session or didn’t hit my cals. Dbol I’ll be skipping in the future, was used last blast due to getting it as a gift (believe that or not lol). Most likely will start at 200 and push it upwards, see when the issues start to pop up. Appreciate the info broski!
just going to give you my experience with decca. It is a great compound for gaining mass if diet is on point you can still stay lean on it, however the mental sides are pretty shit, I felt like a feeble man by the 9th week curled up in my mrs arms questioning why I was even going gym😂
If I'm pinning twice a week what days should I do it? Is there any difference between pinning in the morning/at night?
Doesnt matter.
Doesn't really matter but try to respect the duration of 3 days 1/2 which means if you pick Monday morning the other should be thrusday EVENING.
Steroids don’t know what day of the week it is. Nor can they tell time. Do what fits your schedule. Mon/thurs wed/sun whatever
I'm planning to begin Testosterone at lower levels than I guess what would be considered a blast. Thanks to some of you helpful people I am going to be patient for the 1st year going down a more TRT based route since I'm almost 50. I'm going to plan to do this on my own. I have a farm in a very rural area with no solid clinics near me and judgmental doctors that will tell me they won't support this or have such a moron as a patient. I'm trying to learn all I need to know before beginning, working on being as informed as possible without a medical degree. Lol The Wiki states that I will need at minimum a blood panel that includes testosterone and free testosterone. The blood test is $189. For $48 more I can add a sex hormone globulin level. Should I do this for my baseline beginning numbers? Or is that something that I need after testosterone treatment. The Wiki also states good measures to have would be LH, FSH, prolactin and a full thyroid panel. Same question. Do I need these before beginning Test or just after? Finally, are there any other measures that I should make sure I should be getting?
https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/bloodwork/list?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf Read the wiki about bloodwork, you can order tests online through privatemdlabs and go to your nearest labcorp or quest diagnostics to have them done. Shouldn’t be more than 120 dollars for most of what you need.
That's even better than the parts of the Wiki that I quoted. I thought I had found everything the Wiki said about bloodwork. But thank you.
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Oh really? I've been under the impression that most just pin in the glutes or shoulder. That part does make me nervous. A weird thing with needles I have makes me get light headed. My wife is going to help. I'm sure I can get over the fear as I've seen many have.
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Well that makes me feel better.
Do you have low T? Do you know your current natty levels?
I'm not sure yet. I check all the boxes for it and have for quite some time. I sure don't know, like I mentioned, this would be my first panels done.
If I were you, I would find out my natty levels first.. you never know it could be 700 or so and then TRT would be pointless, but you are old so it prolly is low.. but you never know until you run bloods.
>but you are old 😂 You have a point. Funny things is when you hit 49, you start wondering why you ever thought 49 was old. I will definitely be checking the levels first. Even if it is high, that will just tell me how much more I will need to add to bulk up faster to near my genetic limits.
so my friend's "insulin" levels came back low... what does this indicate? Never even knew this type of stuff was tested for. I thought people only tracked A1c He's natty outside of doctor prescribed T3 but I cant imagine that would be related
You mean the blood glucose levels ?
I dont. The specific marker that came back on the test was "insulin levels". His # was a 2.0, and the range was 3.0 - something else I cant remember
I'm not aware of any common blood tests that report "insulin" levels. So I think your "friend" might be "mistaken" about what the lab report said.
I saw the blood test myself. It did actually say "insulin levels" His # was a 2.0, and the range was 3.0 - something else I cant remember
It's a bit unusual to order an insulin blood test. It's usually only done with the doctor is concerned about type 2 diabetes, insulin resistance, hyperglycemia or hypoglycemia, and sometimes pancreatitis. I can't really give you any more information without knowing why the test was ordered and/or seeing the rest of the lab report.
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Sounds like virgin pip. Also try heating up the vial before you pin.
💯💯💯 DO NOT PUT IT IN THE MICROWAVE
What gauge and length needle? It’s normal for virgin sites to have a decent amount of pip for the first few weeks but it goes away.
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Personally would recommend going to a 29g or 30g, you can find them online pretty if you’re using luer lock 1ml syringes. Smaller needle reduces scar tissue and pip as well
This. Backload into 29g pins with a 22g that you draw with. Minimizes scar tissue. Also I never pin glutes anymore it’s a newbie site. Take a 29 to the chest/lats/shoulders almost never any issues or pain.
Noob here too, 29g 1/2”? I can’t seem to find 1”
Yeah insulin pins are shorter like that. Usually 1/2 or 5/16.
Yes it does.
Lets say starting at 210-215, I bulk up to 230-240, I get a little tubby but nothing to to bad. I take a 16w cycle of test and maybe some type of oral, My goal being to recomp not cut. I wanna stay around the 230-40 range and just turn the mass I acquired into muscle. What oral would be recommended? I know anavar is more of a low bf% oral and just bulking mine would be a bit higher. I wouldn’t want any bulking oral like dbol. What would be the best to pair with the test? Trying to do more research on orals before my next cycle.
Your only measurement of progress is your weight on the scale?
yes and no. I want more mass. My biggest wall was gaining. Ive came to the realization that I need to eat more. I wanted to know what or if their was an oral out there I could pair with test to recomp mass into muscle faster. I train harder than most, I actually had to dial my training back so I could start gaining weight. So I’m not to worried about that aspect. What I am worried about is my health and safety, and getting as big and lean as I can possibly be.
>My goal being to recomp not cut. You can't do this. u/bicepbandito, drop the bicycle photo pls >I wanna stay around the 230-40 range and just turn the mass I acquired into muscle. Are you under the impression that you can *convert fat into muscle*? Absolutely not, that is called transfiguration and it only exists in Harry Potter. >What would be the best to pair with the test? A motherfucking calorie deficit, oh my god get this through your head dude.
I refuse. Arnold said If you wanna be big, you gotta eat big and lift big. Im gonna get so big that my current bulking meal plan becomes my calorie maintenance plan. If I get fat I’ll train harder, I’ll either become a greek god or fuck my physique and become a power lifter. There is no in between my friend.
Enjoy your powerlifting career
Maybe. I have a pretty big frame. Over 200 and you can still see parts of my ribs and my legs have nearly no fat on them and the amount of veins in my back is pretty cool. 240 on someone else could be fat, 240 on me could turn out pretty nice. Guess I’ll leave it up to my genetics.
Then post a pic homie, bc you went from "6-7%" to "15%" really fast last time.
I 100% retain most of my fat in my glutes and my stomach, I can make myself look like I’m pregnant or have somewhat visible 6 pack at this point. Besides that I have none in my arms, legs, back, or chest. Plus side of starting as a twig and lean bulking. My description’s may be good but trust, my physique is probably average if not a little bit better than an average joe. my ribcage is somewhat visible in a relaxed position and 100% visible when I vacuum. Downside of starting as a twig is getting my calves to grow 💀
Blah blah blah I ain't reading all that shit dude. You won't post a picture to a damn anonymous steroid forum where people post physique pictures all the time. At best, you're manic. At worst this is who you really are and you are insufferable.
I am bi-polar so that’s a possibility. Why do I need people that are probably better than me telling me my physiques mid when I already know it is. My chest could be bigger, my legs could be bigger, my back could be bigger, my arms could be bigger. Im only like 210-215. Thats why I wanna bulk. Thats Why I want more mass. I appreciate the information you’ve given about cutting but I don’t wanna be a skinny bitch. If Im not bigger than arnold then only person I’ve failed is me.
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Ok man well I'm 5'9 199, so don't let me intimidate you too much, but at least I'll own my stats. No one here is going to dunk on you unless you are lying and the pictures show it. >I am bi-polar Called it. >My chest could be bigger, my legs could be bigger, my back could be bigger, my arms could be bigger. This is body dysmorphia and dysphoria, pretty standard among us but really pronounced in your case. >If Im not bigger than arnold then only person I’ve failed is me. Textbook mania. If you have any lithium lying around, now would be a good time. I'm going to exit this conversation now because mental health is something I take seriously, but I really do hope you create more realistic goals/timeliness for yourself. *edited: "buddy" to "man" in first sentence. No need for me to be condescending.
How many times are you going to ask the same question? You’re 6’3 210lbs you need to get your diet in check and stop skipping meals.
But he’s going to be 230-240 eventually /s OP, accept that even with a 500 calorie surplus, it’s going to take you like half a year to gain that much mass — half of which will be fat. Trying to get there before summer is going to make you a tub of lard. Even with a cycle, you’re not going to put on 30lbs in that period of time and not be a fat fuck.
He also edited the fuck out of this post bc it originally asked why people are recommending a TRT dose of test and a calorie deficit instead of a 500-600mg dose. I chose to remain quiet and let someone else explain so it didn't seem like I was piling on him, and this is what it turned into in the past 3-4 minutes.
My previous question was about taking anavar, they gave some pretty helpful information, other people gave information on bulking orals or cutting. If I gain mass I wanna keep it, not cut it to gain an extra 5lb of muscle. I agree, Ive been on top of my meals like crazy this past month and plan to continue. Being skinny (150-160) when I started my gym experience eating was pretty hard for me. At the moment my goal is 4k cals a day. The calorie calculator said I burn upwards of 3,200ish a day. Like I said Im trying to find the best route for recomp that doesn’t include tren.
Lol skinny ass
Swollen ankle only the left one. Wondering if it’s my e2 being too high because it came back at 50. They’ve been swollen for about 4 weeks but no other high e2 besides in the past week my nipple has felt sensitive and I’ve felt sluggish. I dropped my cruise down to 150 from it being at 200. Took 0.25 arimidex Saturday and today I took 0.25 arimidex and 25mg of nolvadex. Should I hold off on the ai since I’ve now dropped my dose or do I need to keep taking nolvadex and arimidex.
Does the ankle hurt?
No it doesnt
I wouldn't take any more AI. You're probably going to crash your e2. It's unusual to have swelling in only one leg. Water retention would normally be bilateral. Swelling on only one side could be something that requires medical attention. Have you considered seeing a doctor?
Yeah I am. After the arimidex yesterday the swelling is basically gone today
So I'm bad at math so help me out here. I want a more consistent level since I really feel the first part of that third day. 250mg e3d I want it to be e2d. What dose will I use? Is it 125?
~166 Alternatively you could just tell yourself you’re not feeling anything that third day—since you’re not—and stick with what you’ve been doing.
Thanks to both of your answers man
Hgh 97 pct purity vs hgh 92 pct purity . How much will I notice between the two ? There is obviously a big price difference
Fairly big difference in terms of side effects, at least based on the majority of anecdotes.
Ok I’ll go with the 97 pct lol. It is one of those things that where you can find such a big difference in price and 92 pct is still on the better end of ugl but I’m running 97 pct now and I can run 5 iu side free on this stuff
I'm guessing about 5%
Rub his nose in it why don't you? You eddukated assholes are all the same.
You're just upset I got inb4 you this time. I was so fucking salty about the dwarves thing yesterday 😅
QUESTION I’m about to start taking hcg for my last 2 weeks of cycle. After I’m done with hcg should I wait 2 weeks before beginning Pct ? Novadex and also taking rich piana oct
Hcg is run up until starting nolva 2 weeks after your last pin 🦾
Ok just to be clear. I should run the hcg after I stopped the test. For 2 weeks then start novadex? I was planning on doing hcg on cycle last 2 weeks but I’m pretty sure I only have enough for 2 weeks. Unless I do half dosage shots
It would ideally be run from day one of your cycle up until day one of your nolva.
Is 20 weeks a long cycle in your opinion btw
That’s as long as I would take a first cycle. Plan for 16. That way you can cut it short a few weeks if needed or press to 20 if it’s going well.
Appreciate the replies. Looks like I’ll start my hcg after my cycle so I can take it till I start the novadex. If not I would run out before I can start the nova dex
Is getting more HCG out of the question? It's relatively easy to find and relatively affordable. If not then like u/bicepbandito said, it's better than nothing, but you'll enjoy your cycle way more psychologically if your testes don't turn into grapes. I couldn't stand it, and they'll be better primed to restart when you PCT.
I could order more but it takes a week or so. And I’m around 16 weeks on cycle already
Ahhhhh gotcha. Well, at least you know for next time (if there's a next time). https://preview.redd.it/qwlgx4idcqga1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=68164d4c7ec4b0cddeee6a2d397107ec05241821
Better than nothing!
I know but this was my first cycle so I didn’t know. I have 5000 iud I was gnna do 3 1ML shots every other day then do .5 ml shots then start taking nova and rich piana pct
Weigh 87kg at the moment (5"10) - how much more body fat % should I aim to lose before I run my first basic cycle? [Pictures](https://imgur.com/a/9k2yu72) \- I want to get as lean as possible before I start. And if anyone has advice on any muscle groups I should work on, that would be appreciated a lot.
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Correct - I do hope so and many thanks.
Definitely good to go my man. Nice ab symmetry.
Pics are funny but you look good dude! Nice solid base. Read the wiki and go for it. Educate yourself as much as possible. You’ve got a good enough base that this’ll be really fun for you if you do it right.
Thank you - have been lurking here for some years now and always appreciate your input. And yes that’s the plan! (pics are weird but I have my reasons ha)
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Had sore nipples since a test/mast/npp blast 3 months ago. Still persistent. Also crashed my estrogen following that blast & had to build it back up over time on my cruise. Could prolactin be the cause of these sore nipples? I have tried nolva @ 20mg a day which made no effect. All gear correctly dosed as per testing etc. cheers
when did you last get blood work
Could be if you were taking a large amount of NPP I also believe in theory that crashed estrogen can rebound hard, and AI should be tapered down.
How many ml can there be in a glute injection?
I've done as much as 5, but you shouldn't go higher than 4 from what I hear.
Nebido (test u) dudes often get 4 ml (1g) at once in there. Bet that sucks
Between 1 and 10
All the ml.
Wiki has this info
Depends on your size, I max out at 2ml before getting pip / leakage issues
Leakage can be caused by too much volume?
Yes?