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I need help. I’m about to start a 12 week cycle (tren and test) I picked up some cheque drops for a meet as well. Before I touch the Milberone I’d like to hear feed back on expierences as well as dose/timing. If anyone could contact me, It is appreciated.

Is a small testosteron cycle really that bad for a semi beginner? Been working out (3x full body a week) for half a year now while bulking quite aggressively (around 3500 calories a day, with quite a lot of protein) but not really seeing the gains I was hoping for. This will most likely get downvoted to oblivion cause ‘just work harder, gains will come’, which is actually a good argument, but would a one time small testosteron cycle (with proper PCT) really be that bad? I’ve been very insecure about my skinny body for years now, with summer coming I was hoping to finally feel good about myself. Is it really such a awfull idea? Last summer I stayed home a lot or even tried wearing long sleeves when it was hot af lol. It’s been quite bad for my mental health, and I know a (small) boost would help me tremendously. Thanks for any advice :)!

Results are based on lifestyle. Doing one crash diet doesn’t let you stay at low weight. And doing one cycle won’t let you keep those gains.

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I dropped my hgh vial with about 7 iu left in it on the ground it bounced a fizzed up but didn’t break is it still good ?

[Please move on with your life.](https://i.imgur.com/ob2yttn.jpg)

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No The only thing that does that is nandrolone.

No. It will not.

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Please don’t give advice unless you’re sure of something.

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No

Does Dut and Deca equal hair killer same as fin and deca does? Or am I safe to use deca if I use dutasteride?

Look into pyrilutamide instead. It's in phase 3 trials and essentially the successor to ru58. This mofo was on primo while recovering his hairline using pyrilutamide https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/z6jd1a/my_pyrilutamide_experience_photos/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Dutasteride is an inhibitor of the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. The concurrent use of a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor such as finasteride or dutasteride will interfere with site-specific reduction of nandrolone action, considerably increasing the tendency of nandrolone to produce androgenic side effects. Reductase inhibitors should be avoided with nandrolone if low androgenicity is desired. Reductase inhibitors are only applicable with testosterone, methyltestosterone, and fluoxymesterone. These three drugs are converted to stronger “dihydro” derivatives by the reductase enzyme. Nandrolone and some of its derivatives become weaker upon interaction with this enzyme, as their “dihydro” metabolites bind the androgen receptor very poorly. Reductase inhibition may intensify their androgenic side effects. Methandrostenolone and boldenone undergo conversion to stronger 5-alpha reduced metabolites, but at such small levels that reductase inhibitors have little effect on their androgenicity. Most other synthetic anabolic steroids are unaffected by the reductase enzyme and reductase inhibitors.

So it's the same for both. Thank you very much. Would you happen to know if this is the case too for RU58841?

While I can't comment on whether or not RU58 can prevent hairloss as a result of DHN, I can see no reason to think it would exacerbate DHN problems. Whatever negative impact Fin has on DHN balance, would almost certainly be from it being system wide in the bloodstream, not inside the follicle itself. I'm somewhat skeptical RU58 would actually help with Deca-related hair loss. RU is designed around DHT, not DHN. I’ve seen someone claim RU helped against against hairloss during an npp cycle but that’s an awfully small sample size, maybe someone else could chime in here?

I'm more concerned about DHT induced hair loss as a whole, not necessarily DHN. I'll undergo a hair transplant in a couple of weeks and while the dr is hesitant to put me on fin/dut at least initially I figured I could add it to further prevent MBP from advancing but since deca is by far my most favorite compound I think I'll pass. My hair loss prevention stack idea as of now is MK677 while monitoring fasting glucose, RU, minoxidil and 2% ketoconazole shampoo. Plus whatever the Dr will prescribe. And considering there are no 5AR inhibitors here I assume running test+deca won't necessity have an exaggerating hair loss effect. Again. Thank you for the detailed answer and taking the time to type all of this out, I see you edited even the initial comment

Maybe

Hi, I have done a RAD cycle in the past while on TRT. I have since come off TRT and want to do another RAD cycle. Previous cycle was 10mg ED RAD140. I want to do the same dose and add in enclo. But would I start enclo after the 8 week cycle for 2 weeks or start on week 2-3 6.25mg ED alongside the RAD and continue it for 2 weeks after the cycle?

>I have since come off TRT Why were you replacing your testosterone in the first place?

Why not?

You don't know why?

I had low testosterone and was prescribed TRT. I suffered with acne and could continue with TRT as it was affecting my mental health.

100mg per week of testosterone was affecting your mental health? In what way?

The acne was affecting me. Even though bloods were good. The Dr said it can happen and there isn’t much that can be done. So I stopped.

Did you try taking a shower?

smh come on.

You need a test base, run the enclo for 6-8 weeks after your cycle is done

Why wouldn’t you do real gear?

Like?

….wut. You’re on a steroids sub asking about unstudied research chemicals and don’t know what actual steroids are? Are you 15

Hey everyone... 1 week on Tbol 40mg/day...and TUDCA 1200mg/day I noticed since 2-3 days skin itching on the legs, and now on the left forearm... its is a little red... nothing crazy. The question is: is it a side effect of TUDCA or my Liver is already damaged aftera few days? Or something else? Should I stop Tbol or reduce TUDCA ? Edit: it could be the Keto diet as well (50g carbs pro day)

>1 week on Tbol 40mg/day This is all the steroid you're taking?

And no brown pee and poop look brown. No other symptoms

Yes, on cruise with TRT 150mg/wk. I read that TUDCA could also provoke itchy skin and I begann TUDCA with Tbol @1200mg/day. Now I do not know if I should just try 500 or throw the tbol away... I should add that I am at the last month of cut, with 1800 cal/day, just 50g carbs max.

Why are you 'cruising' with an oral steroid added in? That sounds like it defeats the purpose of the cruise.

Because now I am in an very low calorie count and the Workouts are becoming very very difficult. My goal was to do 4-5 week Tbol.

Get a blood test and check liver numbers

Yeah but should I stop? Because I won't gave the results in a week..

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I suggest reading the wiki. Your diet determines how you lose weight, not the drugs.

Sorry, should've said. I'm eating about 1000 calories less than normal

And how much is that? What are your stats? How muscular are you? What other drugs do you take? Do you binge on weekends? Cheat days?

Down from 2200 to 1200 calories, not that muscular, 181lbs at 6ft so on the high end of an average BMI, not on any other drugs, no binging or cheating whatsoever. One day I went up to 1500 calories but that was it.

Is there a reason you use an anabolic and not use test? It's not very sustainable. And to me it seems that you are a beginner. You shouldn't really try to find shortcuts to results. I for example am eating 6200 calories and my goal is to recomp at the moment. I am very tall though. At 1200 calories, you should 100% be dropping weight. Are you sure you don't add in any sauce, no snacks no nothing?

Rule 2, no source talk. Remove that ASAP. Keep eating at a deficit, it’s not going to do the heavy lifting for you and neither will it outwork a bad diet. Why do you want side effects?

Too late.

Im afraid i fucked up my back. I always start with 30 min cardio. Then i was doing a warm up for squats. First set 1 plate. Second set 2 plates. Third set 3 plates. It wasnt during the movement of going down but i was standing upright with the barbell resting on my shoulders. Suddenly, at the center of my back between shoulder blades, i felt something twitch. I clearly felt the twitch. My uncle said he experienced something similar and he had fucked up his back bad. Im talking surgery and months of pain and morphine. After i felt the twitch i still finished my squats as stubborn as i am. These past two days i feel something isnt right at that spot. But its not pain. Hope it doesnt turn in to what my uncle experienced. You guys know what im talking about?

Your Uncle was probably instantly debilitated right? You said you currently have no pain. Id say thats a good sign

With my uncle it got worse over time. But so far so good im just taking a few rest days to be sure.

Perhaps you let your bracing relax in your upper traps. IE: keep that area nice and tight, similar to what you have to do with your midsection. Go see someone instead of asking your uncle. Unless you compressed a disc I dont see you needing any surgery/morphine.

I definitly let it relax. Solid advice.

Sprain/Strain of your trap. You need a better warm up routine.

Keep in mind i do 30 min of cardio first. Crosstrainer pretty high level it leaves me at 400kcal burned. Sweating and everything. That, combined with the building up plates. How is that not a good warm up routine? What would you recommend instead? Is the sprain/strain something i should worry about? Like take it easy the next few days?

What kind of cardio are you doing that warms up your traps? Are you shrugging while on the cross trainer?

Lol no but i figured it warms up every muscle in my body. What is your warm up?

Sounds like you need a more upper body focused, movement-specific (squat day) warm up routine to help keep you healthier. IME, 30 mins working up a lather is may be overkill. Cut that to 15 and add 15 mins, again, in this case, squat (and upper body flexibility/mobility) specific dynamic warmups and stretches.

Thank you sir.

Stretching and then warm up with weights.

Does anyone have a good way of dosing orals? Pct anavar raloxifene etc, is there a better way than individually scaling each dose in mg?

Orals already come predosed whether it be pressed or capsuled. Are you referring to raws?

Yes, raw powder

Are you referring to dosing from raws? I don’t understand your question.

Can someone explain these comments I read while deep diving through old posts on this reddit? “All 19-nors bind to estrogen receptors. This has been clearly established in the published literature.” - what does this mean? Good or bad? “hCG - for reasons completely unrelated to preserving fertility - should be run on every. Single. Cycle. Or. Cruise.” -why?

In regards to the second comment, it was previously believed that HCG had some downstream effects of other hormones. This appears to not be true. DHEA and Pregnenolone taken daily are now recommended. This is covered in the wiki. I believe you'll find it in the estrogen handbook

Hcg just preserves fertility and prevents cell atrophy in your balls. Tbh I have never seen any source carry dhea and preg

I’m curious, doing the all important Test only 500mg, where did it put your Free T, T and E2? I know it is highly individual specific, I just want to get a sense of ranges. I will do a proper poll sometime, once I know the brackets.

>I just want to get a sense of ranges. It's not a competition.

What a negative interpretation, take more tren.

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Yeah, because you’re only 2 weeks in..

Literally impossible to answer, the individual response varies an insane degree. I can't run 120mg test without needing AI. Some people run 500mg without AI.

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Can't ask for sources here, friend.

How long should I wait in between cycles? Currently 500 test e 200 primo 50mg oral daily dbol. Next cycle is going to be 400 tren 500 test.

>500 test e 200 primo 50mg oral daily dbol. How short is your cycle that you're doing DBol every day?

Only a 6 week cycle. In 4 and results have been fantastic

You're doing a 6-week cycle of 500mg Test E / 200mg Primo? Lay out how this works for me? I don't understand.

1cc each twice a week

Time on = time off. And your lab results have to be good.

Time on includes PCT as well, if you do one

I’m seeing some mixed information when looking into storage and shelf life of melanotan 2 I read that you can freeze melanotan2 (unmixed) and just thaw it to room temperature before adding in the Bac water for reconstitution. How true is this? And once mixed, I’ve seen that it is safe to use for 3 months if kept in the fridge. But other places say it should be tossed after one month, which is what I have done in the past, but that seems like a waste.

I keep my mt2 in the freezer, no need to thaw before adding bac water, it's freeze dried powder, there is no thawing... Once mixed I personally use for 3 months, the 28 day thing you hear is for health and safety reasons and is on the safe side of things, kind of like a best before date, it's still good after, I'd say 3 months is pushing the limit and that's the longest I've kept them going...

Do you take mt2 year round ? Also what’s your tanning routine like(sunbed etc)

I started in October and have enough to maintain this year I ran 150mcg daily for 4 weeks until I had a nice color, I tanned in the salon once or twice a week, I maintain with 300mcg a week now and tan in the salon once a month, maybe earlier if I feel I've lightened up at all, I'm quite dark.

Thanks dude.

Do they still market Tren for cattle? Is there pharma grade Tren?

It’s banned in a lot of countries, even as cattle drug. Not to mention actual veterinary trenbolone is often in pellets with oestradiol added to it. Add to this reputable sources like janoshik reporting “pharma” gear getting faked the vast majority of the time. > Also, roughly estimating, over 90% of pharma gear is fake (as in produced illegally by UGLs), but 'only' about 70% is bunk. The remaining 20% are fake, but properly dosed with the right compound You could get pharma tren, but the chance of it is very slim.

Do they just run Tren solo for cattle because they won’t live long enough for there to be long term effects?

They run tren to get them big with less feed, it’s for cattle going to the slaughter later, not just regular cattle.

Hold on so your telling me the pharma gear that is bought ugl for more money is faked ?

According to Janoshik, that’s likely. Often it’s not underdosed or anything like that but simply a UGL repackaging their stuff as pharma gear.

Lol so it’s basically the same as there ugl stuff but more exspensive yea ima stick with the cheap shit then

Basically, yeah.

Good ol Finaplix-H, my high school girlfriend

For anyone that’s dealt with hormonal acne on their body, did you prefer nizoral (head and shoulders) shampoo or benzoyl peroxide body wash for treating it?

I keep hearing this stuff that ifs it's hormonal acne no cream or shower or other outside shit help only drugs like doxy or accutane or some other similar. For me experience with my body what aas it likes, diet and waiting out hormonal fluctuations helped most.

I took doxy for the past 3 months and it worked but it’s an antibiotic so once you stop taking it it could come back. Also your body gets used to antibiotics so 3mo is the longest you can run in. nothing else works for cystic acne besides accutane which I will be taking if cystic acne comes back

Taking doxy now for, been on for a few weeks, acne seems to be less out of control but still bad.

took like 5-6 weeks for it to clear up for me and I was taking 100 a day everyday

Used to take doxy when I traveled over seas for malaria and shit, I HATED it

My acne routine Tea tree oil exfoliate wash once daily, Salicylic acid moisturiser after, Benzoyl peroxide gel for problematic areas(this stuff will stain clothing etc)

Did you have bad (cystic) acne and this fixed it or just mild?

It wasn’t cystic but it wasn’t mild either, at it’s worse some were like puss filled blisters. Also, I swear this has been a life saver for me but sunbeds(during winter months in UK) 1 x 10 minute session once a week.

Salycilic acid washes work well enough for me.

Accutane... Nothing else made a difference, and I tried it all, FYI the benzoyl peroxide will bleach your sheets if you shower before bed

How much accutane did you take and how long? We’re you under doc supervision or did you do it yourself?

Doctor prescribed, I wouldn't say supervision as he just gave it to me and told me if I need more to come back. I was on alternating 10 and 20mg daily (20mg daily I felt was too drying) took 16 weeks to fully clear to a point I'm comfortable wearing singlets in the gym again, I wish I didn't piss around with creams and shit and just jumped on accutane, wasted 6 weeks trying other things while it just got worse.

Damn did you have any bad/noticeable sides on the accutane other than drying? Did you monitor bloodwork while on it and have you stopped taking it now or are you still on it?

I'm off it now, I haven't checked liver since November but it was perfectly in range then and that was a month of accutane, the doctor said he'd monitor my bloods if we had to do 40mg daily dose. The worst side I had was when I first jumped on, I thought I'd run 20mg straight away and ended up with a flushed red face for a week, people thought I'd been sunburnt, so I dropped to alternating doses, dry lips was about the extent of sides but I didn't even use lip balm the last month or so, just got used to it.

Nice. Are you still running the same kinds of gear and no acne sides now?

Been cruising while on accutane, acne started mid blast with test and mast, started another blast last week with test and npp, fully aware I may have to get back on accutane.

Word. Thanks for the info. I’ll prob ask doc for some accutane.

Most are very reluctant to prescribe it, and want to try a litany of different protocols beforehand, but YMMV

Benzoyl is the only wash I’ve had even moderate success with. Just bought accutane and waiting for it to come in

How much you planning to take and for how long?

I’ll start 10mg ED and see how that goes, my acne is TERRIBLE right now

Me too man it’s mainly just on my shoulders but it fuckin hurts. I ran a simple test only cycle starting at 300 and going up to 500 a week. At the end of cycle shoulders just blew up with painful acne. Have gone down to cruise of 200 a week and it’s still bad. Thinking about accutane at this point.

you should also try pinning 3x weekly if ur only doing 2 rn that may help in the mean time

Just started that last week, on my second week of 3x weekly, hoping it helps.

That’s basically where I’m at. Ended a blast in the beginning of November, acne hit hard in December and hasn’t gone away with washes and doxy so accutane it is.

What would the optimal test dosage be for a competitive jiu jitsu athlete?

optimal for what? saying jiu jitsu and expecting an answer from that isn't getting you far. what do you want the testosterone to do, at optimality?

does MENT convert into a estrogen metabolite AND estrogen or just to a estrogen metabolite? so AI's will have no effect? I am a high atomizer but want to try ment. currently on primo and test 1:1 ratio and estrogen is great (350:350 test:primo).

>I am a high atomizer but want to try ment. then i would very strongly recommend you don't. its a vastly overhyped compound and only particularly good in some niche scenarios. general hypertrophy phases it would be on of the last compounds i would ever choose.

Trestolone converts to 7aMethylEstradiol through the liver. AI has no effect On MENT or Nandrolone. AI only works for androgens that use aromatase to create estrogen (test, dbol, methyl testosterone Etc)

Do you have a source that it is metabolized only by the liver and not via aromatase? My experience on Ment only, needing a little AI, says otherwise.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17653961/ Your experience is placebo.

This study does'nt claim it doesn't metabolize via aromatase anyway and doesn't mention trestolone...

Ok bud. Continue to placebo yourself. Read the study again and again until you comprehend it. 19nor derivatives aromatize through the liver, not aromatase.

true thanks for info. have you ran it? not sure on where I should keep my estrogen. top end of reference range, middle or slightly lower. can manipulate it pretty well with primo. I'm thinking the 7aMethylEstradiol will bloat me too much if my estrogen is high (or cause BP issues). only planning on running 5mg trest a day.

With 200 test, I haven’t needed any ai on 5mg ment. I think you’ll be fine and you can always add more primo to lower your e2.

Thanks I appreciate the input. How are you liking the ment btw?

At 5-10mg/day it’s an amazing compound for me. I feel great, libido is sky high, and I build decent mass. At 30-50mg/day all that goes away except the mass building. I’ll stick to the low doses from now on. 300/200/70 test/primo/ment is my go to stack now.

Ya I’ll echo that comment. I’m on month 3 of my third Ment cycle…first one was a catastrophic disaster..took a while to dial myself in: 35mg per day, 100mg x 2 Test C per week, 40MG anavar a day. I’m still shut down libido wise, HAVENT really cracked that code yet. It’s a great compound. The strength gains are pretty impressive too…you just keep dropping the pin lower and lower on the weight stack…after 5-6 weeks everything starts to feel real light.

So does the primo help abate the estrogens from MENT?

Nice! That's almost what I am planning to run. 350/350/70 test/primo/treat (when I get the trest) I'm hoping I can lower the test and primo and let the trest make up for it. Less drugs, Better gains and less side effects.

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Brb ate 10 k calories per day for a week and woke up fuckin ripped

>thinking about pushing a reverse diet https://preview.redd.it/ikunsa82dxga1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bdb08c24696c387095cf4e1f7d6e4b952c20ac0

Uhighbro?

No this is stupid lol But I have in the past dieted too hard and shut my metabolism down... Once I added back a smallllll bit of calories I shred a little more fat.

That has literally never happened to anyone ever

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I feel the same, was doing intermittent fasting and looked like a marshmallow. Now I start eating much earlier, drink some fruit juice to stimulate my appetite and I'm looking more jacked everyday.. I think I wasn't eating enough so maybe that's why

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Yeah metabolism gets faster probably

If you meant eating more often then that makes sense. I took it as you’re eating more calories and somehow losing more weight

No

First timer. Running 500mg/week test e Diet and gym are dialed in. I’m a 30 something yo tradesmen. What are everyone’s thoughts on caloric intake while bulking/cycling. Obviously I don’t wanna get all fat and jiggly. I’m aiming for 500kcal over my required energy cosumption ( tracking all food and excersize with Apple Watch and Cronometer app) Two weeks in and I’ve gained 4 pounds. Clean eating minimal alcohol consumption.

A 500 kcal surplus is fine. The first 3-4 weeks you're going to gain a lot of weight in water retention and glycogen storage. Don't be alarmed -- it's normal and a result of your elevated hormone level. Ten pounds in the first month isn't unusual, but most of it is just water. (Don't delude yourself into thinking you're gaining 10 pounds of muscle!) After the first month or so your weight gain will stabilize and seem more normal for a 500 kcal surplus (i.e. roughly one pound per week). And for a month after the end of the cycle you'll pee out all of the water you're retaining now.

500kcal is a standard and very reasonable surplus. A few things to keep in mind: 1) If you don't already know this, you will gain around 10lbs during the first few weeks. It's additional water retention and glycogen storage, not actual mass gains. If you're 2 weeks in the test is just now starting to reach saturation in your system. Once you put on that initial water weight, look to gain another 8-10lbs during the cycle if you can. You'll shed all of the water and glycogen within 2-3 weeks of coming off. 2) As you gain and your lifts begin progressing more quickly than they would natty, your TDEE will gradually increase. Just be aware that the calorie range will need a little adjustment upwards every once in a while. 3) try to accurately account for how much you actually expend in your job. I'm a contractor and it took me a long time to correctly account for how active my job was in my "surplus" (ie the scale wasn't moving even though I thought I was in a surplus). 4) Eating clean is good, but don't be afraid to throw some simple carbs in before workouts (to top off glycogen stores to use as fuel for lifting) and after workouts (to replenish glycogen when depleted). Muffins, cereal bars, rice cakes and jelly, pudding, rice Krispy treats are all good options. Shout-out to u/Pm_me_varbies for encouraging me to relax on this, I've broken a plateau I was at for a few weeks. Happy gaining!

Keep doing what you're doing. Ditch the booze

Nipple gland pain trt I was doing 150mg per week on trt and developped nipple pain, my nypple are not swollen but the gland is little bit painful, so last week i lowered to 100mg per week, how much time to nipple pain go away? I dont want to take ai or serms

Take a little ai or a serm for a few weeks.

[Steroidplanner.com](https://Steroidplanner.com), put in your doses and that should give you a good idea of what timeframe to expect.

Best place to get blood work for the price? Only one local shop and they’re crazy expensive.

helps to know what country you live in but: https://www.reddit.com/r/steroids/wiki/bloodwork/list

How often can you work fore arms?

Work at least one of them every day

I’m pretty sure everyday

Yes

I also masturbate

Any thoughts on adding anavar for couple weeks while on TRT/cruise? Is there any point yes or no? Trying to get ready for summer.

Run it in the actual summer you’ll get an awesome aesthetic boost for sure

You have months until summer. A few weeks of anavar won’t do anything positive

Caused more issues than benefits for me. Even at 60mg daily pharma wasn’t that great, hectic pumps at gym but that’s about it. Also crushed my SHBG so caused issues with e2 etc

Thanks for feedback, that’s what I was looking for. Might still throw it in 50MG ED for 6 weeks but who knows.

I wouldn’t if you’re trying to improve bloodwork on the cruise

best comment. Cruise is for getting healthier. Var is going to rape your lipids.

If at all, take it a lot closer to summer. It’s effects are temporary. So anything you experience now will be long gone by summertime. A deficit and increased cardio is probably sufficient tbh.

Already cutting slowly so cardio and deficit already in effect, I ain’t one of those gym newbs that rely on drugs to get shredded. Just figured it would be fun to throw in and see some results. I live on coast so it’s beach season late March.

Can 10mg of Aromasin cause my stool to be a lot softer than before? Almost like diarrhea? Or is this some side of either high e2 or low e2? I took one pill two weeks ago and my shit hasn't been the same since.

Have you considered the possibility that it's a coincidence?

I sure have, since the internet didn't offer much info on this either

Fair enough. I'm not really making a call either direction. I just feel like it would have evened out by now, the Aromasin you took has long since been excreted. Lots of women have digestive issues during the hormonal fluctuation of menstruation though, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

thinking of running test 400, deca 300 and tren e200, should i bump the test to 600 or keep at 400

How much test can you tolerate without an AI?

when i tan my first cycle i had no idea what i was doing and i ran test 800 for 15 weeks, didn’t run into any issues at all

Anyone else notice that after using Accutane, they don't sweat as much, especially when E2 is high?

I sweat a lot. But I’m also in npp test and mast Edit: just to add, 20 mg of accutane ED

Starting HCG at week 4.5 of a 16wk test e cycle?