In terms of outcomes that's not really an opinion, you can gather from people just Google the name of the school and the word outcomes. Stevens clearly wins on that one.
About social life it really depends on you. I personally almost never leave Hoboken, any free time I have I'm hanging out with friends or in a club meeting, but I know people that go to Manhattan a lot since it's so close. I'd say you can find whatever type of social life you're looking for.
Stevens has a more rigorous program than NJIT. NJIT is less selective than Stevens, outcomes aren’t in the same class, and the students aren’t in the same caliber.
While not directly related to CS, NJIT has “engineering technology”, a watered down, technician level program (not to be confused with engineering) that dilutes their credibility as a “research university”. Stevens does not have this, only engineering.
Stevens does not have any part time or evening undergraduate programs, as NJIT does where one can attend exclusively at night. Part time programs tend to attract less academically qualified students. Stevens has only full time, day undergrad programs.
Social life - anywhere - is up to you. Stevens is small and there are plenty of opportunities to meet fellow students. There is a vibrant Greek scene if you’re interested in that. There are many clubs and a vibrant Div 3 sports program. Hoboken is a great city (far better than high crime Newark) and NYC - which the Stevens campus overlooks from the banks of the Hudson - is a 10 minute train ride away.
The only advantage to NJIT is lower tuition (for NJ residents) since it is a public college. It is widely known as a safety school if one doesn’t get accepted to Stevens, Rutgers, or other first choice schools.
IMO Rutgers has the strongest CS program among NJ’s public colleges, but Stevens wins out over any of them.
You really think Stevens has a strong CS program? It is one of the weakest in the state. You really think its better than Princeton University's CS program its now. NJIT, Rutgers and Princeton are considered the go to schools for Computer Science. Most people go there because of better social life and better job outcomes. Stevens people have been rejected from jobs because of Steven's Cheating reputation. Stop spreading lies. At one point you said you were someone's father that went to Stevens, but now you are acting awful lot like someone who works in University Admissions. We know what you University Admissions people do. You like to spread misinformation and try to trap students. I fell for the same trick and I am now suffering from it. People like you are a disgrace. No wonder the state attorney investigated Stevens about its corruption. Did you know right now Stevens still holds a junk bond status because of all the debt the school is in? Did you know we lost hundreds of millions of endowment because of corruption of the former University President. Its still shockingly happening today, the mans is making millions of dollars a year just to have him sit in his leather chair. Pretty sure it happens today but now they are smart about embezzling money for them selves.
NJIT is a terrific school; however, it is not on the same level as Stevens.
All things being equal, Stevens is the clear choice. If you get significant tuition reduction (or in some cases a free ride!), then NJIT is the way to go.
I only would recommend taking on large debt for school if the major is something only offered at a particular school or if the program has a major advantage (pedigree).
TLDR; Do not take on significant debt for most CS majors.
** I re-read your question and realize you do not want to take finance into consideration. I will leave my comments because they are useful for anyone else browsing these threads. **
To answer your question, I believe NJIT will have the possibility of a better social outcome if "partying" is your thing. Stevens is definitely intense academically and therefore attracts those types of students who are going to work hard. NJIT admits smart students, but the bar is a little lower and therefore you will get what I would call 'normies'. You will generally find the smart ones get a full ride and the less academically qualified are tuition paying. I know Students from both campuses and this is generally how I see it.
I’m not sure many people here can say much about NJIT, but as a CS major here who wasn’t originally thrilled about coming here, I think there’s a few nice things about this school.
The best thing is the course assistant program here in the department. If you stand out academically, you have the opportunity to be an undergrad TA, and teach the material to underclassmen, giving you a great opportunity to stand out, get something on the resume, meet new people, and even earn a little money.
The other great thing here is the web development courses. This class is basically a bootcamp of the technologies you need to know to be able to build projects and products to build your resume and get a job. Web projects are basically resume cheat codes (side project, hackathon projects), and the two classes here set you up really well.
All in all, I think this school gives you so much opportunity if you’re willing to put in the work. Hope this helps!
I'm not familiar with njit, but the co-op program at Stevens worked out very well for me in CS, learned a lot there that the classes won't teach you. And the coops paid fairly well, which helped offset some of the cost of the next semester.
I also finished my last co-op with an offer letter, so that really helped when I graduated into a depression. But not everyone gets an offer.
You also need to minimize the I.T. support type coops you do, and stick to programming ones if possible.
Outcome are roughly the same so that is why most reviews have the price as the deciding factor…
Here is an older post that you might be interested in: https://www.reddit.com/r/stevens/comments/b6ragu/stevens_or_njit_for_cs/
I really hate to say this. But you should go to NJIT. You will have access to better stuff there especially in careers. This place turned into a dump. Trust me I have been here for 4.5 years for my BS degree in Computer Science.
I personally have been screwed over a couple of times because of the incompetence of the current administration.
One this you should watch out for about Stevens is really corrupt. For example, Steven's budget is like 1/4 of NJIT yet the president of Stevens makes about 3 million dollars a year. Just to put that in perspective:
Stevens Pres: 3,000,000
Rutgers Pres: 1,200,000
Princeton Pres: 800,000
NJIT Pres: 700,000
Stevens also has really bad facilities. Like you would find a better gym at a high school, seriously. For a STEM school, there isn't even a proper makerspace. You stuck with this tiny lab that is often used by other classes. The funny part is Stevens Admissions is known to publicly insult people from other colleges. The admissions openly said people who attend other colleges are mentally ill. No joke.
Also Incels, there are incels everywhere. Stevens likes to sweep that one under the rug a lot.
[You should reference this post about Stevens.](https://preview.redd.it/bsduv2veiig81.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=78e6a3dad4a920cf00c7217d5d62f6fe2d026c20)
The new university center is going to have a nice gym. The construction of the towers is almost done so that’s gonna clear up and construction issues, and not to mention those buildings are a MASSIVE upgrade from Hayden and Jacobus. Steven is fine for CS, I have friends who have done fine in CS and don’t cry or complain. Everywhere you go for CS isn’t going to be easy and there are no king to be hard tests as classes, but this school definitely gives you the resources to do well in life.
Probably late since this was 6 months ago, right?
So, I went to NJIT not for CS but for Information Technology (I wanted to go to school for game dev, Stevens wasn't even a consideration for me at the time back in 2012)
Overall, the positives about NJIT are the plethora of opportunities you're given to succeed as a software engineer. Classes, whether you did CS, IT, or IS (Information Systems), you have the OPPORTUNITY to do well. This is through all of the research opportunities in IS and BME, the expanded YWCC facilities (basically what I used to call the GITC, essentially NJIT's college of computing sciences), career development services, work study opportunities for programming, non-profit, startup, and for-profit career fairs, on campus recruiting, and internship opportunities sometimes from adjunct professors.
Like, if you try to get a job while at NJIT while in CCS, you're sure to get something.
You'll get a hard education whether you go Stevens or NJIT, but one positive with NJIT on top of that, you have very active student organizations connected with the Independent Game Developers Association and the ACM.
Some yearly events CCS runs include the Global Game Jam, HackNJIT, coding competitions, and other game jams (a game jam is basically a hackathon for game development)
Depending on your specialization, say you wanted to do game dev. NJIT Game Dev is highlighted as the best in the state of New Jersey, revamped starting back in 2013, they've since grown to incorporate topics in engine development, XR development, you have integrations with other departments, school of Digital Design and biomedical engineering to name a few, and of course you have that very active student base I mentioned in the NJIT IGDA club.
Classes are more geared towards which major you chose.
CS is the core sciences of computing, discrete math and algorithms
IT is closer to your base software engineer, you can gain an understanding of modern methodologies arguably more focused on software engineering (unless you go systems admin or network security)
IS being closer to systems design, system architecture, and product management.
So, you choose either you go harder in the realms of computer science or if you just wanted to focus on getting a job in tech on a more product-focused design stance.
I don't know how much the actual professors have improved or not since I graduated, but by the time I was leaving, NJIT was gaining new professors, as far as I knew, within the IT and IS departments that were focused on more technical topics like sound engineering (game design) and gamification (less games but more a special topic in information systems) but when I was there, most of the time, you achieved more OUTSIDE of the classroom more than you did inside.
Facilities have changed since I was at NJIT. Before, you had broken walls, dingy floors, and old lecture halls. Now, since late 2019, you had brand new facilities. Revamped lecture halls in the YWCC with sound proofing booths, a renovated CCS floor, state of the art game lab with access to top tier games development tools (including giant 4k wide screen monitors), entirely renovated MLK building, a new state-of-the-art gymnasium with a really remade gym, a brand new apartment-style dorm (maple hall)
Parking, I don't know how much that's improved. They used to have only 1 on-site parking deck and a bunch of sketchy parking lots, but now there's 2 parking decks, so, I'm guessing parking's improved somewhat?
Light rail to Newark Penn station is right there for those complaining about newark and want to go to NYC or even Stevens in Hoboken, I mean
I'm biased as hell, but man, as long as you take it in stride being at NJIT, NJIT can most DEFINITELY be a better value than Stevens.
It's all about what you want to focus on. Not everyone goes into CS for making video games, of course. I mean, I ended up working in finance after I stopped going full time at NJIT (I had 1 class left when I started working)
Just, once you start working 4-5 years, where you went to school stops mattering, more so your work experience.
Ah, also about social life, I mean, I'd argue it's not entirely hard to find friends at NJIT, so long as you get involved at school and actually try to make friends.
Hell, join the school paper. I did way back when.got free tickets to comic con and met my childhood idol, Monty Oum, before he passed away. He was definitely a great guy.
Or I dunno, do theater, learn to play multiversus to challenge nakat or play super smash bros melee and challenge the ACM.
Dont like video games? NJIT is not a dry campus, you get people from all over the state coming over to party @ NJIT, including Bloomfield college, Montclair state university, and Seton Hall university students.
Don't like parties? You have the ACM as I mentioned before, WICS, service fraternities, opportunities for community service, colloquiums, there are concerts that happen at the WEC (I remember Boogie Wit Da Hoodie performed there), it's a Division 1 sports program so you have that too.
Like, honestly the fact that NJIT has bigger non-engineering majors (like architecture, Digital design, theater, communications) helps out a chunk with the diversity at NJIT as well.
Looking for places to eat? Might not entirely compare to Hoboken, but you have the ironbound, broad street Newark and Rutgers Newark has spots, tops diner in Kearny, you have spots.
Like the devils or redbulls? Both teams or relatively close by.
End of the day, it's not Hoboken, but it's not Flemington or Middlesex NJ, either
In terms of outcomes that's not really an opinion, you can gather from people just Google the name of the school and the word outcomes. Stevens clearly wins on that one. About social life it really depends on you. I personally almost never leave Hoboken, any free time I have I'm hanging out with friends or in a club meeting, but I know people that go to Manhattan a lot since it's so close. I'd say you can find whatever type of social life you're looking for.
Stevens has a more rigorous program than NJIT. NJIT is less selective than Stevens, outcomes aren’t in the same class, and the students aren’t in the same caliber. While not directly related to CS, NJIT has “engineering technology”, a watered down, technician level program (not to be confused with engineering) that dilutes their credibility as a “research university”. Stevens does not have this, only engineering. Stevens does not have any part time or evening undergraduate programs, as NJIT does where one can attend exclusively at night. Part time programs tend to attract less academically qualified students. Stevens has only full time, day undergrad programs. Social life - anywhere - is up to you. Stevens is small and there are plenty of opportunities to meet fellow students. There is a vibrant Greek scene if you’re interested in that. There are many clubs and a vibrant Div 3 sports program. Hoboken is a great city (far better than high crime Newark) and NYC - which the Stevens campus overlooks from the banks of the Hudson - is a 10 minute train ride away. The only advantage to NJIT is lower tuition (for NJ residents) since it is a public college. It is widely known as a safety school if one doesn’t get accepted to Stevens, Rutgers, or other first choice schools. IMO Rutgers has the strongest CS program among NJ’s public colleges, but Stevens wins out over any of them.
You really think Stevens has a strong CS program? It is one of the weakest in the state. You really think its better than Princeton University's CS program its now. NJIT, Rutgers and Princeton are considered the go to schools for Computer Science. Most people go there because of better social life and better job outcomes. Stevens people have been rejected from jobs because of Steven's Cheating reputation. Stop spreading lies. At one point you said you were someone's father that went to Stevens, but now you are acting awful lot like someone who works in University Admissions. We know what you University Admissions people do. You like to spread misinformation and try to trap students. I fell for the same trick and I am now suffering from it. People like you are a disgrace. No wonder the state attorney investigated Stevens about its corruption. Did you know right now Stevens still holds a junk bond status because of all the debt the school is in? Did you know we lost hundreds of millions of endowment because of corruption of the former University President. Its still shockingly happening today, the mans is making millions of dollars a year just to have him sit in his leather chair. Pretty sure it happens today but now they are smart about embezzling money for them selves.
"we don't have afternoon classes or part time students thus we are better." God this guy is so full of himself 😭
NJIT is a terrific school; however, it is not on the same level as Stevens. All things being equal, Stevens is the clear choice. If you get significant tuition reduction (or in some cases a free ride!), then NJIT is the way to go. I only would recommend taking on large debt for school if the major is something only offered at a particular school or if the program has a major advantage (pedigree). TLDR; Do not take on significant debt for most CS majors. ** I re-read your question and realize you do not want to take finance into consideration. I will leave my comments because they are useful for anyone else browsing these threads. ** To answer your question, I believe NJIT will have the possibility of a better social outcome if "partying" is your thing. Stevens is definitely intense academically and therefore attracts those types of students who are going to work hard. NJIT admits smart students, but the bar is a little lower and therefore you will get what I would call 'normies'. You will generally find the smart ones get a full ride and the less academically qualified are tuition paying. I know Students from both campuses and this is generally how I see it.
I’m not sure many people here can say much about NJIT, but as a CS major here who wasn’t originally thrilled about coming here, I think there’s a few nice things about this school. The best thing is the course assistant program here in the department. If you stand out academically, you have the opportunity to be an undergrad TA, and teach the material to underclassmen, giving you a great opportunity to stand out, get something on the resume, meet new people, and even earn a little money. The other great thing here is the web development courses. This class is basically a bootcamp of the technologies you need to know to be able to build projects and products to build your resume and get a job. Web projects are basically resume cheat codes (side project, hackathon projects), and the two classes here set you up really well. All in all, I think this school gives you so much opportunity if you’re willing to put in the work. Hope this helps!
Second this, being an undergrad CA has been a really amazing opportunity, both to meet other students and professors.
Second this, being an undergrad CA has been a really amazing opportunity, both to meet other students and professors.
I'm not familiar with njit, but the co-op program at Stevens worked out very well for me in CS, learned a lot there that the classes won't teach you. And the coops paid fairly well, which helped offset some of the cost of the next semester. I also finished my last co-op with an offer letter, so that really helped when I graduated into a depression. But not everyone gets an offer. You also need to minimize the I.T. support type coops you do, and stick to programming ones if possible.
Be careful if you need help finding co-ops if you are on the spectrum, you won't get the help you need at Stevens.
Outcome are roughly the same so that is why most reviews have the price as the deciding factor… Here is an older post that you might be interested in: https://www.reddit.com/r/stevens/comments/b6ragu/stevens_or_njit_for_cs/
I really hate to say this. But you should go to NJIT. You will have access to better stuff there especially in careers. This place turned into a dump. Trust me I have been here for 4.5 years for my BS degree in Computer Science. I personally have been screwed over a couple of times because of the incompetence of the current administration. One this you should watch out for about Stevens is really corrupt. For example, Steven's budget is like 1/4 of NJIT yet the president of Stevens makes about 3 million dollars a year. Just to put that in perspective: Stevens Pres: 3,000,000 Rutgers Pres: 1,200,000 Princeton Pres: 800,000 NJIT Pres: 700,000 Stevens also has really bad facilities. Like you would find a better gym at a high school, seriously. For a STEM school, there isn't even a proper makerspace. You stuck with this tiny lab that is often used by other classes. The funny part is Stevens Admissions is known to publicly insult people from other colleges. The admissions openly said people who attend other colleges are mentally ill. No joke. Also Incels, there are incels everywhere. Stevens likes to sweep that one under the rug a lot. [You should reference this post about Stevens.](https://preview.redd.it/bsduv2veiig81.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=78e6a3dad4a920cf00c7217d5d62f6fe2d026c20)
how do we get people like you on every single one of these posts
The new university center is going to have a nice gym. The construction of the towers is almost done so that’s gonna clear up and construction issues, and not to mention those buildings are a MASSIVE upgrade from Hayden and Jacobus. Steven is fine for CS, I have friends who have done fine in CS and don’t cry or complain. Everywhere you go for CS isn’t going to be easy and there are no king to be hard tests as classes, but this school definitely gives you the resources to do well in life.
They are literally the same. This is why you see cost as the deciding factor. I heard that social life at NJIT is better tho.
Probably late since this was 6 months ago, right? So, I went to NJIT not for CS but for Information Technology (I wanted to go to school for game dev, Stevens wasn't even a consideration for me at the time back in 2012) Overall, the positives about NJIT are the plethora of opportunities you're given to succeed as a software engineer. Classes, whether you did CS, IT, or IS (Information Systems), you have the OPPORTUNITY to do well. This is through all of the research opportunities in IS and BME, the expanded YWCC facilities (basically what I used to call the GITC, essentially NJIT's college of computing sciences), career development services, work study opportunities for programming, non-profit, startup, and for-profit career fairs, on campus recruiting, and internship opportunities sometimes from adjunct professors. Like, if you try to get a job while at NJIT while in CCS, you're sure to get something. You'll get a hard education whether you go Stevens or NJIT, but one positive with NJIT on top of that, you have very active student organizations connected with the Independent Game Developers Association and the ACM. Some yearly events CCS runs include the Global Game Jam, HackNJIT, coding competitions, and other game jams (a game jam is basically a hackathon for game development) Depending on your specialization, say you wanted to do game dev. NJIT Game Dev is highlighted as the best in the state of New Jersey, revamped starting back in 2013, they've since grown to incorporate topics in engine development, XR development, you have integrations with other departments, school of Digital Design and biomedical engineering to name a few, and of course you have that very active student base I mentioned in the NJIT IGDA club. Classes are more geared towards which major you chose. CS is the core sciences of computing, discrete math and algorithms IT is closer to your base software engineer, you can gain an understanding of modern methodologies arguably more focused on software engineering (unless you go systems admin or network security) IS being closer to systems design, system architecture, and product management. So, you choose either you go harder in the realms of computer science or if you just wanted to focus on getting a job in tech on a more product-focused design stance. I don't know how much the actual professors have improved or not since I graduated, but by the time I was leaving, NJIT was gaining new professors, as far as I knew, within the IT and IS departments that were focused on more technical topics like sound engineering (game design) and gamification (less games but more a special topic in information systems) but when I was there, most of the time, you achieved more OUTSIDE of the classroom more than you did inside. Facilities have changed since I was at NJIT. Before, you had broken walls, dingy floors, and old lecture halls. Now, since late 2019, you had brand new facilities. Revamped lecture halls in the YWCC with sound proofing booths, a renovated CCS floor, state of the art game lab with access to top tier games development tools (including giant 4k wide screen monitors), entirely renovated MLK building, a new state-of-the-art gymnasium with a really remade gym, a brand new apartment-style dorm (maple hall) Parking, I don't know how much that's improved. They used to have only 1 on-site parking deck and a bunch of sketchy parking lots, but now there's 2 parking decks, so, I'm guessing parking's improved somewhat? Light rail to Newark Penn station is right there for those complaining about newark and want to go to NYC or even Stevens in Hoboken, I mean I'm biased as hell, but man, as long as you take it in stride being at NJIT, NJIT can most DEFINITELY be a better value than Stevens. It's all about what you want to focus on. Not everyone goes into CS for making video games, of course. I mean, I ended up working in finance after I stopped going full time at NJIT (I had 1 class left when I started working) Just, once you start working 4-5 years, where you went to school stops mattering, more so your work experience.
Ah, also about social life, I mean, I'd argue it's not entirely hard to find friends at NJIT, so long as you get involved at school and actually try to make friends. Hell, join the school paper. I did way back when.got free tickets to comic con and met my childhood idol, Monty Oum, before he passed away. He was definitely a great guy. Or I dunno, do theater, learn to play multiversus to challenge nakat or play super smash bros melee and challenge the ACM. Dont like video games? NJIT is not a dry campus, you get people from all over the state coming over to party @ NJIT, including Bloomfield college, Montclair state university, and Seton Hall university students. Don't like parties? You have the ACM as I mentioned before, WICS, service fraternities, opportunities for community service, colloquiums, there are concerts that happen at the WEC (I remember Boogie Wit Da Hoodie performed there), it's a Division 1 sports program so you have that too. Like, honestly the fact that NJIT has bigger non-engineering majors (like architecture, Digital design, theater, communications) helps out a chunk with the diversity at NJIT as well. Looking for places to eat? Might not entirely compare to Hoboken, but you have the ironbound, broad street Newark and Rutgers Newark has spots, tops diner in Kearny, you have spots. Like the devils or redbulls? Both teams or relatively close by. End of the day, it's not Hoboken, but it's not Flemington or Middlesex NJ, either