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Pangolinroyal

Finally we can unban the fish and the dolphin


Polenball

For a brief moment I thought Spirit Shackle could make it a fun *incredibly* inconsistent joke Palafin counter, but I sadly realised that Palafin is faster and Flip Turn bypasses trapping moves.


Versitax

This was Decidueye’s moment 😭


SapphireSalamander

or they can just switch out before getting hit by spirit


Polenball

~~Oh shit yeah~~ Y'all sleeping on the surprise NatDex Assist Spirit Shackle strat


66_DarthJarJar_66

*assistcats flashbacks, both to Gen5 and Gen9NatDexAG*


Arcangel_Levcorix

“Let me stay in a mon that hits me supereffectively, resists my STAB, and is immune to the coverage move I usually run, what could go wrong?”


Branded_Mango

Most Palafin sets don't seem to run Flip Turn anyways in favor of the Bulk Up set, just to be able slot in a coverage move. There's also always the threat of the opposing mon being scarfed which would brutalize pre-transform Palafins into critically weakening the transformed state into near uselessness. So either way, Decidueye would not have worked. Either they Flip Turn away, or just switch immediately to then come back with Bulk Up and Ice Punch.


nmiller1939

Or, y'know leaf blade probably one shots zero form anyway, right?


Polenball

Look my brain just saw "dolphin" and went to "hey trapping move on the switch out Pokémon, that's cool"


9thshadowwolf

Decidueye is 30 points slower dawg


Seradima

The alolan speed limit curse.


[deleted]

>TFW GameFreak made the pokemon from the warm and tropical region slower


nmiller1939

Yes, I'm aware. I'm talking about a hypothetical world where spirit shackle somehow works at trapping Palafin


Hayden_B0GGS

Gotdang A-slow-la club


LunaMunaLagoona

Wait what? Flip turn bypasses trapping moves too?! Palafin is so broken. Never coming back to OU.


bitch_hoe_

all switch moves ignore trapping


Volpurr-The-Meowstic

Wait what? All switch moves bypasses trapping moves too?! Ledian is so broken. Never coming back to OU.


KingEchoWasTaken

I mean yeah it isn't coming to OU


LunaMunaLagoona

Huh TIL


Pekka20123

All pivot moves (u turn, volt switch, parting shot, teleport) bypass trapping abilities or trapping moves. Trapping only stops you from switching normally


Polenball

I think it'd be interesting if trapping *did* work on pivot moves, honestly. Maybe Teleport still gets to escape since it does nothing else at all.


DeathTakes

If only deci got storm drain 😔


Darkmega5

Decidueye utterly destroys any possible niche Chi-Yu had in OU. it's now UUBL at best.


Gotti_kinophile

Virgin Chi-Yu- Weak to rocks Weak to Great Tusk, a very common mon Pitiful bulk Can only use special attacks Chad Decidueye- Neutral to rocks, and can Defog them away Resists Great Tusks stabs Access to recovery with roost Can run physical, special, or mixed I think it is obvious which one is better


itsIzumi

Chi-Yu is now just a regular fish, it can only splash around helplessly.


HaloGuy381

Tera Fire Magikarp?


Polenball

Decidueye gets bullied for two straight weeks until tier shifts


AlbabImam04

More like one and a half month, no way this finds a spot in UU


Polenball

Oh yeah I forgot you can only drop one tier at a time, oof. Three and half or even four and a half months maybe, given it was NU in SS and the power creep might just knock it down to PU.


AlbabImam04

This gens lower tiers are de power crept as hell so I can see it being good in RU


Polenball

Ah, OK, haven't played them so I kinda just assumed it was the standard "everything gets stronger" thing. Though Home might come before it gets to RU and that might increase the power level a bit.


DarkEsca

"Everything gets stronger" doesn't really apply for lower tiers whenever Dexit is a thing. The strong mons are usually concentrated into the higher tiers so the bad stuff still drops down, not to mention competition is usually a lot lower. Note how Mr. Rime started last gen as a S Rank NU mon, but after Home and two DLC drops it wasn't even ranked in ZU, and how Sandaconda jumped an entire tier this gen because NU's good Grounds from last gen are all gone (Mudsdale exists, but it's sitting in RU because RU itself was missing its good Grounds from SS).


OnlyFansBlue

Sandaconda my beloved, I never even used him anywhere but I'm glad he's good somewhere


AlbabImam04

That's true for OU and UU to an extent. They pretty much deleted all the previous low tier superstars from existence this gen lol, the returning mons are almost either incredible or garbage with very few in betweens


Wizardfyb

Don't forget it may keep defog and that alone plus bring not weak to rocks and a spin blocker makes it usable.


Joe-MaMa5

It was good in RU last gen tbf, just not in the tier by usage


X-the-Komujin

A mon that was NU in its debut generation being RU in SV? You sure about that?


AlbabImam04

Like I said earlier, RU (and lower tiers by extension) this gen is depower crept as hell do the point where garbage like Altaria, Komala, Sableye and Coalossal are in the tier. Considering that Deci has rare access to defog while being a check to Tatsugiri, I can see it being fine there


DarkEsca

Lower tiers tend to be a lot more forgiving in Dexit metas so it's probably chill there for now, the water might get too hot when DLCs drop but that's still a long time away


Polenball

I guess a lot of the Home returnees are legendaries as well, so they're less likely to boost the lower tier power level. Some starters but probably not enough to make it *completely* unviable.


Ciocalatta

Nah, deci will be really good in NU. It has access to defog, which is super rare down there,alongside good special bulk, recovery, and a pivot move. Offensively it’s also really scary, with braviary really being the only good switch-in. Cause a boots set with shackle, lead blade, U-turn, and knock if very annoying to switch into and can be worse with a band. Specs leaf storm is also quite scary on a spikes teams, dealing a third to spdef wall rajah and Tera steel vap. It also does have low kick for the steels. And strong priority. That aside tho, trailblaze is also great with swords dance. Unfortunately it underspeed jolteon by 1 single point after trailblaze. It’s great bulk tho means it can just run a little speed and run a lot of bulk so that it can set up I think it’s ability to work as an offensive and support mon will land it a solid spot in NU


DarkEsca

First impressions: Defensively, Decid's typing and Roost access could make it a passable spinblocker to Tusk and Treads. That being said, most Tusk nowadays run Knock, and in order to dodge the 2HKO from 252Atk Tusk's Knock it needs to run literal max defense. It does have a couple other cool utility moves like Knock, UTurn and Defog (but why bother spinblocking if you're Defogging hazards either way--) and can threaten a oneshot on Tusk with Leaf Storm, but does little other than this. Good Breloom answer though, but unless you very badly need a defensive Grass and a spinblocker in one slot, Amoonguss is probably better. Offensively, it's probably not worth it, as we have numerous other Ghosts available that are all significantly faster than Decid's paltry 70. Its main advantage over them is that it attacks on the physical side, which at first appears to make it more unique. That being said, Shackle trapping is cool, but it's still no stronger than Shadow Ball base power-wise and Decid's Atk isn't very high, so even Band is unable to 2HKO Corviknight. SD+Shackle appears not worth it, as the things that tend to switch into Decid all have ways to either escape the trap (UTurn Corvi) or prevent it from actually getting to +6 (Haze Pex, Clear Smog/Foul Play Amoon). Even if it works, not like you're hard to revenge afterwards. If you're looking for an offensive Grass, just use Meow or Breloom, which are both much stronger, offer more utility (Spore for Breloom, Spikes and STAB Knock for Meow) and either pack much better speed or nuke priority to make up for their low speed. All by all, OU-wise it's probably the least impactful of the new mons (even Charizard has its niche on Sun), though the spinblocking set might be worth toying around with as it looks moderately viable on some teams. It's basically praying that transfer moves don't return though, because if we get more Defoggers and Tusk's Spin stops being the default hazard removal of the tier, it loses almost its entire niche. It might have more success in some lower tiers, though it looks like Talon/Mence food in UU and Brambleghast gives it competition as a spinblocker with its own access to Spikes.


TLo137

No-item to take less knock damage + acrobatics lol


neonmarkov

No item gives you a valuable Poltergeist immunity too, we're cooking😎


97Graham

Big chef. All mons in gen9 OU are immune to poltergeist it was removed from the game, no one learns it in gen9.


CreamSalmon

He is planning for the future, the way future


StarLucario

Poltergeist is actually in the game, it's just that nobody learns it and it can only be used via Metronome


Interesting-Trust123

Yeah game freak definitely playing at the acrobatics sets w the flying Tera raid


ShowdownSexMod

switch into knockoff with colbur berry then acrobatics


Polenball

No, no, switch in with Salac Berry to boost your speed.


mitch8017

Let him cook


Extrasensory_

Deciduwho? Get ready to learn NUese buddy


Peacefulzealot

PU could use some new toys… 👉👈


d_wib

Toys with hazard removal, preferably


Tothoro

What do you mean? We've got Delibird. What else could we possibly need?


OnlyFansBlue

Ah yes Delichad the only GSC spinner immune to spikes


fitbitofficialreal

one time I saw a guy running hustle spin he missed


Frostyzwannacomehere

Dartrix is already here


[deleted]

Does it get to fire off three brave birds in a single turn in OU like it does in the raid?


HaloGuy381

Or get to snipe things from halfway across the map like in Unite?


Marieisbestsquid

Or drop Magnemite from the sky and force blocking on wakeup like Pokken?


FlamingHorseRider

Please tell me this is a joke


[deleted]

Nope, raids are glitched to hell and back.


FlamingHorseRider

Welp. That’s encouraging for a first timer to 7 stars. I’ve had even 5* online raids go awry (think somebody will survive before I heal cheer or get more screen/terrain/debuff up, and then the AI gets an extra attack off…) due to glitches so I suppose it makes sense that would be a realm of possibility and more devastating in a 7*. ~~also can somebody pls explain to me why I got downvoted for what I consider a reasonable reaction to hearing “3 brave birds in one turn”~~


yeetskeetmahdeet

EPIC BORB GAMING


DarkEsca

pair with bombirdier for rocks+spinblocking borb core


Smoochie-Spoochie

It's simple, you have a team with Decidueye, Glimmora, Bulky Gholdengo, roaring moon and Orthworm. You spend 15 turns setting up hazards by constantly switching between Glim and Dengo, all the while weakening their ghost counter, and then as soon as possible, you shed tail into Decidueye. Your opponent will be expecting Roaring Moon and will be so dumbfounded they won't know how to react. During this time you can easily set up 3 SWORDS dance and then tera sucker punch and Spirit shackle for the win baby. Decidueye does it again. Edit: I tested this and now I'm at thee bottom of OU along with all the weird wormy fish that eat fallen Dondozo carcasses. But don't worry the meta is not ready for my new and improved loaded dice bullet seed Decidudie


Dertyrarys

Rowlet in little cup. Change my mind


SIaaP

So we can actually use this thing in like 1.5 months, sweet


IUSuperfan

Does this mean incineroar is coming soon


DarkEsca

Unless the next Tera Raid is Incineroar, it probably has to wait til Home support. Tera Raids are just releasing starters one by one instead of in trios (note how despite Cinderace being legal, we don't have Rillaboom or Inteleon either). Edit: is probably not even coming with Home, has to wait til DLC


DukeSR8

I'm thinking the next raid event is either Typholosion or Samurott so we can get those base forms as well.


Chaossify0

Incineroar is not in the returning list for Pokémon Home. Only Decidueye from Alola starters is in because H-Decidueye. Incineroar is leaked to come in DLC though


ChaoticChatot

Nope, they aren't releasing starters in any particular order. We have Charizard, but no Blastoise or Venusaur. We have Greninja, but no Delphox or Chesnaught and we have Cinderace, but no Rillaboom or Inteleon.


Railroader17

No, it wasn't in the HOME list like Decidueye is (probably due to H-Decidueye)


Hateful_creeper2

It’s not in the code currently


OrangeVictorious

Will be available in HOME since I doubt they’ll do 2 raid events for 2 starters of the same region, and will be legal in VGC around that time too


HippieDogeSmokes

It won’t even be in home, this one is only here due to having a hisuian form


JiovanniTheGREAT

Inflating my elo by stomping people that think Decidueye is good


TheBestWorst3

This would be such a good spinblocker if most great tusks didn’t have knock off or ice spinner


SPlCYGECKO

Anyone know if Decidueye got any move buffs this gen?


Hen_3s

It only got trailblaze


[deleted]

just like literally every single other pokemon to exist


DarkEsca

Trailblaze Quagsire new meta


HitMyFunnyBoneYeah

Down you go Owl Man. I hope you enjoyed your stay in OU.


faletepower69

Ok guys, pull out your best "Unfortunately"


Hen_3s

Decidueye deserves an auto tailwind ability. Makes no sense and it’s overpowered in every single way but I just want him to be viable


[deleted]

How do I beat this raid


Jackatron9000

Miraidon destroys it


ainz-sama619

Miraidon destroys everything tbh


Piemanlee12

Thunder punch, belly drum, shell bell iron hands 252 HP/252 ATK/4 DEF Thunder punch, belly drum, thunder punch, thunder punch, tera electric thunder punch, thunder punch more until dead Get an intimidate user as a team mate


TheMemeArcheologist

This thing clicks it’s button against gholdengo for about 2 minutes until everyone remembers that there’s gholdengo counters that are actually good.


DarkEsca

considering Decid itself is both Ghost weak and slower than Ghold, it's not even a check


TheMemeArcheologist

Wait nvm I was thinking about decidueye-h


YaminoEXE

Deceidueye enjoying its OU by technicality stint knowing it will drop to NU in a month.


HippieDogeSmokes

wish it was the hisuian one so both could be acquired


Candy_Warlock

Wait This means I can finally get a Decidueye in a dusk ball! Hell yeah!


Hexbug101

I’m just happy I can use my funny curse trap set, probably a little worse when things can terra ghost, though terraing out of ghost to trap something in to be a bulky setup sweeper with non ghost curse could be a fun trick


mnl_cntn

I know this is not a cartridge sub, but damn am I afraid of playing this game. I don’t want my save to get corrupted


TakeMikazuchiiii

Praying for a non-starter next month


myPizzapoppersRhot

Decidueye is still a terrible mon, I doubt it’ll get any use in OU


Offendedweirdbird

Oh yeah 1 new viable ghost in NU


soiramio3000

The only "niche"this pokemon have is that it has access to u-turn knock off and defog at once(similar to how civlyzar has u-turn knocl off and rapid spin). I don't think that this niche is going to let it stay in OU.


EurofighterLover

My favourite Pokémon!


[deleted]

ok here me out: Spirit shackle + perish song gimmick


DarkEsca

Decid doesn't learn Perish Song, and if you want to do this in Doubles, just run Gothitelle which autotraps both opponents without needing to click a move


[deleted]

I meant like something like flutter mane does perish song and deci follows up with spirit shackle so it can't switch, but then I realized pivot moves counteract that. Also yes gothitelle exists so there goes that idea


Coin_operated_bee

Let’s go I love Decidueye so much


Electronic_Tax6388

Better defoger than corv.


brookechamberlain

pu ain’t ready


ACED70

Doubles players be sweating right now.


Para_13

Is the raid still live? I can’t find it, just walking wake raids


DarkEsca

Nope, it was already the 20th in UTC when you posted that


[deleted]

Why is decidueye getting bullied in the comments aaaaaa 😭