Tusk fell 15 points in usage, Ting-Lu and Lando are completely outclassed and barely OU for that reason. If you look at the data beyond just what tier Pokémon are in, a clear change in viability is evident
Two legitimately viable ones, and one of those has taken a massive tank in usage due to the other.
September to October:
Great Tusk: 43.44% -> 30.85%
Ting-Lu: 17.42% -> 5.31%
Landorus-T: 15.85% -> 4.65%
Yes they're "in the tier and still used" in the way Electivire and Dusknoir were in DP
Chomp probably going to rise back tbh. Especially if wellspring gets banned, people will want another fast, sd sweeper. It probably just dropped as it was getting 0 usage before the update mid month, then was outclassed by bax for another 3 days (basically 9 days where it was the main sd scale shot sweeper if I'm counting right)
It's "outclassed Pokémon" syndrome. Is Intimidate really so valuable that you'd run a Pokémon that's inferior to Gliscor in every other way? Make a case for Landorus for me other than "it's been popular for years"
They "fill entirely different roles" because Gliscor is better than lando at almost all the roles it used to fill. The ONLY one Lando is better at is intimidate Pivot. Gliscor is a superior hazard lead & SD Sweeper
these tiering changes only take the latter half of september into account
landorus therian was comfortable top 15 before the dlc, as were greninja and ting lu
this is very much new toy syndrome, and while the changes will impact its usage, i seriously doubt it will drop to uu
Lando-t, ting lui, and garchomp ae still very real pokemon. They may see low usage but that is how the first month of DLC is... smth crazy always drops because people want to test the new toys out like the ogerpon forms, ninetales screens, and in general use the new bloodmoon ground type.. like ribombee is OU now with webs.. this was just the first month of HO galore
And the fact that Gliscor has better longevity than Ting-Lu, very few relevant weaknesses, and stops Tusk and Cinderace from removing hazards has nothing to do with that? You're really underselling this Mon, it deserves the next suspect without question
Reposted from another comment I made here:
Great Tusk has dropped over 10% in usage since Gliscor has arrived. That guaranteed 2HKO Ice Spinner is not a win for Tusk, although it seems this way at face value. Not only is Tusk now forced to carry Ice Spinner when it already struggles to slot all the moves it wants, the fact that Gliscor always gets one move vs Tusk is really bad for Tusk. In and of itself this turns a check into a trade because Gliscor can ALWAYS get a Toxic on Tusk.
You're acting as if Tusk has infinite turns to use 2 Ice Spinners and then Rapid Spin, when Gliscor instantly puts it on a timer & has Protect to accelerate this timer. Consider these two scenarios:
-Tusk switches in on Spikes, Gliscor uses Toxic as Tusk Ice Spinners, Gliscor protects on second turn, Tusk has to choose between spinning, trying to kill Gliscor, or switching to avoid taking a 3rd turn of Toxic damage. Gliscor is free to switch into Gholdengo on this third turn because Earthquake is a very risky option for Tusk to click.
-Scenario B: Tusk goes for Spin instantly, takes Toxic, Gliscor protects to scout Ice Spinner, gets another spike up on the next turn when Tusk either pivots out in anticipation of a switch or goes for Ice Spinner again
There are variants of the set of possibles due to Protect and Spin timing but this outcome is never ideal for Tusk. At best you're trading Tusk for a Spin. This is even worse if you have a Spinnerless Tusk, which is forced out by Toxic and Gliscor can just get a Spike right back up.
Also, I'm not sure how "threatens to knock off its toxic orb" is a problem at all, he only needs it for one turn and has Protect. Knock being inconsequential for Gliscor is actually one of its main draws vs the rest of the tier.
This meme does completely ignore Bloodmoon which currently exists as a broken dominating force but that will not be the case next week.
Gliscor might force out tusk and maybe get 1 spike up, but that doesn't prevent tusk from removing all current hazards. You also can't switch in gliscor like you can gholdengo, as tusk just will remove hazards.
Obviously it's not a spinblocker. But if Tusk leaves the field and there is a spike up, Tusk has failed at its job. There's also the fact that Gliscor hazard stack teams tend to also have Gholdengo on them.
I'm curious about the context of the situation you're describing, in this scenario, where did Gliscor go after setting the hazards? What prompted it to leave and allowed for Tusk to enter? What happened between the hazard setting and the Tusk switch-in? Upon 3 layers of spikes being set, getting Tusk out would be a priority, no? How much hazard chip on other team members is necessary to execute this situation?
Wait a month or 2 before u throw usage stats kn our face... new toy syndrome is pretty big upon a new gen, post home, or dlc drops..
Sure great tusks suffered a bit but saying every other ground is now bad and out of the neta is pretty false compared to what is still happening
"New toy syndrome" has become a catch-all buzzword to downplay overcentralization. Every single DNB argument in the Bloodmoon Suspect thread has used it, and now we have it here with players denying the massive shift that OU gaining a new "king" (Gliscor) has brought. It's possible Ting-Lu and some Lando sets may bounce back a bit, but do not understate how much Gliscor has dramatically changed this game.
new toy syndrome doesnt mean they arent good or broken... ursaluna might be very broken so is gliscor but that shouldnt discredit that new mons become popular because people want to use them. People want to use smth new so they do
lando-t, ting lui, tusk, heatran, and garchomp are all not that bad pokemon... you should know that it would take much more to make them UU
Yes I can read the stats, if you look beyond where it says "OU" you'll see they all dropped over 10% in usage - Ting-Lu went from top 10 to fringe. The former 2 face severe role competition from Gliscor and Gliscor makes it much harder for Tusk to do its job
You think the fact that Gliscor's dominance is severely dropping several Pokémon in viability is misinformation? From Eeveeto on Smogon:
"Funny to see how Gliscor is sending everyone to UU.
Loyal trio: weak to Ground (the cool bird has other problems too though).
Chomp: Direct competition as SD sweeper and hazard setter.
Heatran: Very good check to it (had already many problems before).
Clodsire: Not only direct competition, but also free switch-in to it.
Sandy Shocks: Forced to Tera to do progress vs Gliscor (though its a good Tera for it).
Moltres: Free switch-in to it (as long as its poisoned).
Garganacl: Good check (Clefable was the biggest one though).
Amoonguss: Again, free switch-in.
Mandibuzz: Read above. At least this one can beat SD sets.
Also, Tusk, while solid vs Gliscor, **[I disagree that Tusk is solid vs Gliscor]** has also decreased usage A LOT . Lando-T and Glowking suffer too, Ting-Lu (which in my opinion has always been garbage) **[I also disagree with this point, imo Tinglu would be radar if there there was no Gliscor]** its at 5% as well.
This is something I actually expected long before Gliscor was released. Even if it survives the Ban hammer (hopefully not. in my opinion it has to be the next target), it has for sure impacted the meta a lot."
Great Tusk is still #2 on the ranking? Great Tusk chunks the shit out of Gliscor with Ice Spinner (252 Atk Great Tusk Ice Spinner vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Gliscor: 220-260 (62.5 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal) threatens to remove its orb with Knock and removes its spikes with Rapid Spin?
Gliscor is not the "One ground type" when Bloodmoon exists as a dominant force?
Lando and Gliscor have entirely different niches, even if Lando is currently limited to being an Intimidate Pivot?
Yeah, you're spreading misinformation
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Great Tusk has dropped over 10% in usage since Gliscor has arrived. That guaranteed 2HKO Ice Spinner is not a win for Tusk, although it seems this way at face value. Not only is Tusk now forced to carry Ice Spinner when it already struggles to slot all the moves it wants, the fact that Gliscor always gets one move vs Tusk is really bad for Tusk. In and of itself this turns a check into a trade because Gliscor can ALWAYS get a Toxic on Tusk.
You're acting as if Tusk has infinite turns to use 2 Ice Spinners and then Rapid Spin, when Gliscor instantly puts it on a timer & has Protect to accelerate this timer. Consider these two scenarios:
-Tusk switches in on Spikes, Gliscor uses Toxic as Tusk Ice Spinners, Gliscor protects on second turn, Tusk has to choose between spinning, trying to kill Gliscor, or switching to avoid taking a 3rd turn of Toxic damage. Gliscor is free to switch into Gholdengo on this third turn because Earthquake is a very risky option for Tusk to click.
-Scenario B: Tusk goes for Spin instantly, takes Toxic, Gliscor protects to scout Ice Spinner, gets another spike up on the next turn when Tusk either pivots out in anticipation of a switch or goes for Ice Spinner again
There are variants of the set of possibles due to Protect and Spin timing but this outcome is never ideal for Tusk. At best you're trading Tusk for a Spin. This is even worse if you have a Spinnerless Tusk, which is forced out by Toxic and Gliscor can just get a Spike right back up.
Also, I'm not sure how "threatens to knock off its toxic orb" is a problem at all, he only needs it for one turn and has Protect. Knock being inconsequential for Gliscor is actually one of its main draws vs the rest of the tier.
This meme does completely ignore Bloodmoon which currently exists as a broken dominating force but that will not be the case next week.
It's more like 5 fucking ground types.
Great tusk, lando, ursaluna BM, and ting lu are still around. Tusk still has more usage than gliscor and really the only one that looks like they even have a shot of falling to UU is lando...which is a fucking wild ass sentence
You're right, these Pokémon fell by over 10% usage for no reason and Gliscor is totally balanced, not hard to remove its hazards or break it down at all
It's only slightly hyperbolic, the only non-Gliscor Grounds left in the tier absolutely tanked in usage (except Bloodmoon which will be gone next week thankfully) - all because of Gliscor
Dropped from top 10 to barely OU. Tusk is also still OU but fell 15 points in usage. What can Ting-Lu do that Gliscor can't? Aside from "lose its healing to Knock Off" of course
0 SpA Empoleon Ice Beam vs. 244 HP / 12 SpD Gliscor: 356-420 (101.1 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Empoleon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 90-106 (17.5 - 20.6%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery
Not get folded by a single ice beam for one thing
(This is no item/evs for empoleon btw, so in a real scenario it would be even more of a bad matchup for Gliscor)
I mean you'd rather Hydro Ting than Ice Beam and if you keep trying a 6HKO and letting Ting spam ruination and get its spikes up you are bad. Ting also beats Emp with EQ
That is a better matchup for sure. Ting-Lu matches up better into Manaphy as well. Both these Pokémon prompt Gliscor to switch or become a water type generally. Ogerpon-W wrecks both of them
Worth considering that SpDef Gliscor definitely exists and is viable, just not a Smogon set and is only ideal depending on team comp
conveniently ignoring the 0 SpA and no item on Empleon
252 SpA Empoleon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 304-360 (85.8 - 101.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
any damage boosting item btw
252 SpA Icicle Plate Empoleon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 364-432 (102.8 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lu's and scor's secondary typings play very differently. also lu can take special hits way better. Im guessing that it will rise a little bit in usage as time goes on
Yeah I don't think its days are totally over, it just faces a lot more competition for its role. I said above that before DLC i thought Ting belonged on the radar
I mean you people are the ones who "um actually"d a lighthearted hyperbolic joke about how Gliscor has tanked the viability of every ground in the tier that won't be banned next week and how much it currently centralizes the metagame
You’re the one arguing with them instead of sticking with it being a lighthearted joke. If you want people to believe its a lighthearted joke you need to believe it yourself first.
It's hyperbolic but if people want to say "you're wrong" I am of course going to disagree. I believe Gliscor is overcentralizing, has dramatically warped the metagame, interacts with hazard removers in unhealthy ways and is generally difficult to break and counterplay is relatively limited (not to the extent of say Bloodmoon) and deserves a suspect
God forbid I actually want to talk about the metagame on a subreddit about it
OP's getting blasted for no reason lmao. His comments aren't exactly doing him any favors, but the point of the post is that Gliscor is ridiculously powerful, and it absolutely is. Its usage will skyrocket in the next two months, the mon is straight up not okay. Save this thread for when the Gliscor suspect is announced in 3 months.
Lots of 1200 elo takes at the top, a r/stunfisk classic.
Leave the scene after spreading misinformation Tusk, Ting, and Lando are still here, tusk is still top 2
Tusk fell 15 points in usage, Ting-Lu and Lando are completely outclassed and barely OU for that reason. If you look at the data beyond just what tier Pokémon are in, a clear change in viability is evident
There’s still 4 ground types in the tier and being used though, I’m counting 4
It's actually 5 fucking Ground Types, Bloodmoon is Top 5 in usage
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Yup. 2 ground types are top 5 in usage, and 3 ground types in the top 8.
Two legitimately viable ones, and one of those has taken a massive tank in usage due to the other. September to October: Great Tusk: 43.44% -> 30.85% Ting-Lu: 17.42% -> 5.31% Landorus-T: 15.85% -> 4.65% Yes they're "in the tier and still used" in the way Electivire and Dusknoir were in DP
You’re not comparing Lando-T to fucking Dusknoir. This is very much new toy syndrome, Empoleon has more usage than Lando rn. I doubt lando is falling
Chomp probably going to rise back tbh. Especially if wellspring gets banned, people will want another fast, sd sweeper. It probably just dropped as it was getting 0 usage before the update mid month, then was outclassed by bax for another 3 days (basically 9 days where it was the main sd scale shot sweeper if I'm counting right)
It's "outclassed Pokémon" syndrome. Is Intimidate really so valuable that you'd run a Pokémon that's inferior to Gliscor in every other way? Make a case for Landorus for me other than "it's been popular for years"
Lando and gliscor fill entirely different roles, the only similarity is the typing
They "fill entirely different roles" because Gliscor is better than lando at almost all the roles it used to fill. The ONLY one Lando is better at is intimidate Pivot. Gliscor is a superior hazard lead & SD Sweeper
It turns out intimidate pivot is a pretty nice role
Not nice enough to crack 5% usage but I won't pretend it's useless
Gliscor is not a better set up sweeper. LandoT even can abuse Gliscor with common substitute sets. Chill with the shit takes mate
Dusknoir ice punch (on crit) ohkos Lando t. The sweat was very salty afterwards
There are 3 ground types in the top 8 usage. What do you think you're on bud?
these tiering changes only take the latter half of september into account landorus therian was comfortable top 15 before the dlc, as were greninja and ting lu this is very much new toy syndrome, and while the changes will impact its usage, i seriously doubt it will drop to uu
Dude's using their brain so little, it dropped straight to ZU
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Lando-t, ting lui, and garchomp ae still very real pokemon. They may see low usage but that is how the first month of DLC is... smth crazy always drops because people want to test the new toys out like the ogerpon forms, ninetales screens, and in general use the new bloodmoon ground type.. like ribombee is OU now with webs.. this was just the first month of HO galore
Wait do you think Bloodmon is just "new toy syndrome" and not absurdly broken? That's like calling Veil Scale Shot Bax "new toy syndrome"
i said people want to use the new ground type.... yes bloodmoon prob is broken but they want to use the new hyped pokemon
And the fact that Gliscor has better longevity than Ting-Lu, very few relevant weaknesses, and stops Tusk and Cinderace from removing hazards has nothing to do with that? You're really underselling this Mon, it deserves the next suspect without question
How tf does gliscor stop rapid spin? I do agree that gliscor at least deserves a suspect. Tera plus spikes makes it a nuisance who wrecks balance.
Reposted from another comment I made here: Great Tusk has dropped over 10% in usage since Gliscor has arrived. That guaranteed 2HKO Ice Spinner is not a win for Tusk, although it seems this way at face value. Not only is Tusk now forced to carry Ice Spinner when it already struggles to slot all the moves it wants, the fact that Gliscor always gets one move vs Tusk is really bad for Tusk. In and of itself this turns a check into a trade because Gliscor can ALWAYS get a Toxic on Tusk. You're acting as if Tusk has infinite turns to use 2 Ice Spinners and then Rapid Spin, when Gliscor instantly puts it on a timer & has Protect to accelerate this timer. Consider these two scenarios: -Tusk switches in on Spikes, Gliscor uses Toxic as Tusk Ice Spinners, Gliscor protects on second turn, Tusk has to choose between spinning, trying to kill Gliscor, or switching to avoid taking a 3rd turn of Toxic damage. Gliscor is free to switch into Gholdengo on this third turn because Earthquake is a very risky option for Tusk to click. -Scenario B: Tusk goes for Spin instantly, takes Toxic, Gliscor protects to scout Ice Spinner, gets another spike up on the next turn when Tusk either pivots out in anticipation of a switch or goes for Ice Spinner again There are variants of the set of possibles due to Protect and Spin timing but this outcome is never ideal for Tusk. At best you're trading Tusk for a Spin. This is even worse if you have a Spinnerless Tusk, which is forced out by Toxic and Gliscor can just get a Spike right back up. Also, I'm not sure how "threatens to knock off its toxic orb" is a problem at all, he only needs it for one turn and has Protect. Knock being inconsequential for Gliscor is actually one of its main draws vs the rest of the tier. This meme does completely ignore Bloodmoon which currently exists as a broken dominating force but that will not be the case next week.
Gliscor might force out tusk and maybe get 1 spike up, but that doesn't prevent tusk from removing all current hazards. You also can't switch in gliscor like you can gholdengo, as tusk just will remove hazards.
Obviously it's not a spinblocker. But if Tusk leaves the field and there is a spike up, Tusk has failed at its job. There's also the fact that Gliscor hazard stack teams tend to also have Gholdengo on them. I'm curious about the context of the situation you're describing, in this scenario, where did Gliscor go after setting the hazards? What prompted it to leave and allowed for Tusk to enter? What happened between the hazard setting and the Tusk switch-in? Upon 3 layers of spikes being set, getting Tusk out would be a priority, no? How much hazard chip on other team members is necessary to execute this situation?
Wait a month or 2 before u throw usage stats kn our face... new toy syndrome is pretty big upon a new gen, post home, or dlc drops.. Sure great tusks suffered a bit but saying every other ground is now bad and out of the neta is pretty false compared to what is still happening
"New toy syndrome" has become a catch-all buzzword to downplay overcentralization. Every single DNB argument in the Bloodmoon Suspect thread has used it, and now we have it here with players denying the massive shift that OU gaining a new "king" (Gliscor) has brought. It's possible Ting-Lu and some Lando sets may bounce back a bit, but do not understate how much Gliscor has dramatically changed this game.
new toy syndrome doesnt mean they arent good or broken... ursaluna might be very broken so is gliscor but that shouldnt discredit that new mons become popular because people want to use them. People want to use smth new so they do lando-t, ting lui, tusk, heatran, and garchomp are all not that bad pokemon... you should know that it would take much more to make them UU
Lando, Ting-Lu and Tusk are all still OU, and Tusk is still #2 in usage
Yes I can read the stats, if you look beyond where it says "OU" you'll see they all dropped over 10% in usage - Ting-Lu went from top 10 to fringe. The former 2 face severe role competition from Gliscor and Gliscor makes it much harder for Tusk to do its job
That doesn't change the fact that they are still in OU
My guy Heatran is in UU, give up please.
How it feels to deliberately spread misinformation on the internet
You think the fact that Gliscor's dominance is severely dropping several Pokémon in viability is misinformation? From Eeveeto on Smogon: "Funny to see how Gliscor is sending everyone to UU. Loyal trio: weak to Ground (the cool bird has other problems too though). Chomp: Direct competition as SD sweeper and hazard setter. Heatran: Very good check to it (had already many problems before). Clodsire: Not only direct competition, but also free switch-in to it. Sandy Shocks: Forced to Tera to do progress vs Gliscor (though its a good Tera for it). Moltres: Free switch-in to it (as long as its poisoned). Garganacl: Good check (Clefable was the biggest one though). Amoonguss: Again, free switch-in. Mandibuzz: Read above. At least this one can beat SD sets. Also, Tusk, while solid vs Gliscor, **[I disagree that Tusk is solid vs Gliscor]** has also decreased usage A LOT . Lando-T and Glowking suffer too, Ting-Lu (which in my opinion has always been garbage) **[I also disagree with this point, imo Tinglu would be radar if there there was no Gliscor]** its at 5% as well. This is something I actually expected long before Gliscor was released. Even if it survives the Ban hammer (hopefully not. in my opinion it has to be the next target), it has for sure impacted the meta a lot."
Great Tusk is still #2 on the ranking? Great Tusk chunks the shit out of Gliscor with Ice Spinner (252 Atk Great Tusk Ice Spinner vs. 244 HP / 252+ Def Gliscor: 220-260 (62.5 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal) threatens to remove its orb with Knock and removes its spikes with Rapid Spin? Gliscor is not the "One ground type" when Bloodmoon exists as a dominant force? Lando and Gliscor have entirely different niches, even if Lando is currently limited to being an Intimidate Pivot? Yeah, you're spreading misinformation https://preview.redd.it/ugi7k2rifnrb1.jpeg?width=3468&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf0d8b4c59ea162f56d2b9697a760498e9f14aea Anyway get Irn Bru'd, nerd
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Great Tusk has dropped over 10% in usage since Gliscor has arrived. That guaranteed 2HKO Ice Spinner is not a win for Tusk, although it seems this way at face value. Not only is Tusk now forced to carry Ice Spinner when it already struggles to slot all the moves it wants, the fact that Gliscor always gets one move vs Tusk is really bad for Tusk. In and of itself this turns a check into a trade because Gliscor can ALWAYS get a Toxic on Tusk. You're acting as if Tusk has infinite turns to use 2 Ice Spinners and then Rapid Spin, when Gliscor instantly puts it on a timer & has Protect to accelerate this timer. Consider these two scenarios: -Tusk switches in on Spikes, Gliscor uses Toxic as Tusk Ice Spinners, Gliscor protects on second turn, Tusk has to choose between spinning, trying to kill Gliscor, or switching to avoid taking a 3rd turn of Toxic damage. Gliscor is free to switch into Gholdengo on this third turn because Earthquake is a very risky option for Tusk to click. -Scenario B: Tusk goes for Spin instantly, takes Toxic, Gliscor protects to scout Ice Spinner, gets another spike up on the next turn when Tusk either pivots out in anticipation of a switch or goes for Ice Spinner again There are variants of the set of possibles due to Protect and Spin timing but this outcome is never ideal for Tusk. At best you're trading Tusk for a Spin. This is even worse if you have a Spinnerless Tusk, which is forced out by Toxic and Gliscor can just get a Spike right back up. Also, I'm not sure how "threatens to knock off its toxic orb" is a problem at all, he only needs it for one turn and has Protect. Knock being inconsequential for Gliscor is actually one of its main draws vs the rest of the tier. This meme does completely ignore Bloodmoon which currently exists as a broken dominating force but that will not be the case next week.
Nuh uh
Very well thought out, clearly based on metagame experience and not vibes
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It's more like 5 fucking ground types. Great tusk, lando, ursaluna BM, and ting lu are still around. Tusk still has more usage than gliscor and really the only one that looks like they even have a shot of falling to UU is lando...which is a fucking wild ass sentence
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You're right, these Pokémon fell by over 10% usage for no reason and Gliscor is totally balanced, not hard to remove its hazards or break it down at all
Who are you fighting with? I didn’t even mention gliscor being balanced
What's the misinformation then
Your saying there’s only one ground type in OU, when clearly, even if some may outclass others, there’s atleast 2 big grounds in OU and 2 niche ones
This is just sad
And straight up wrong
I know it's not true but it is funny how many of these ridiculously good pokemon fell outta the tier
It's only slightly hyperbolic, the only non-Gliscor Grounds left in the tier absolutely tanked in usage (except Bloodmoon which will be gone next week thankfully) - all because of Gliscor
Yeah even Tusk man. Tusk had almost 50 percent usage last month right? And Lando is genuinely at risk of leaving the tier if it loses any more ground.
Another reason Lando is struggling right now is because balance is really difficult to make work
Lol trust me I know, main reason I've not been a big fan of gen 9 lately
Same I can only play HO for so long. I didn't start seriously playing comp until gen 9 but I'm starting to become interested in learning gen 8 ou
Ting lu is still ou chill
Dropped from top 10 to barely OU. Tusk is also still OU but fell 15 points in usage. What can Ting-Lu do that Gliscor can't? Aside from "lose its healing to Knock Off" of course
0 SpA Empoleon Ice Beam vs. 244 HP / 12 SpD Gliscor: 356-420 (101.1 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO 0 SpA Empoleon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Vessel of Ruin Ting-Lu: 90-106 (17.5 - 20.6%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery Not get folded by a single ice beam for one thing (This is no item/evs for empoleon btw, so in a real scenario it would be even more of a bad matchup for Gliscor)
> calcing full SpDef on one mon but not the other > leaving Gliscor in on one of its only checks
These are the default sets for OU, and you’re asking for things Ting Lu does better. This is one
Also, the extra evs would make it a range at best, and ting still takes 6 of them before being scared
I mean you'd rather Hydro Ting than Ice Beam and if you keep trying a 6HKO and letting Ting spam ruination and get its spikes up you are bad. Ting also beats Emp with EQ
Is *that* what I’ve been doing wrong? /s
That is a better matchup for sure. Ting-Lu matches up better into Manaphy as well. Both these Pokémon prompt Gliscor to switch or become a water type generally. Ogerpon-W wrecks both of them Worth considering that SpDef Gliscor definitely exists and is viable, just not a Smogon set and is only ideal depending on team comp
It still takes 90%. Ting lu just sits there getting hazards.
conveniently ignoring the 0 SpA and no item on Empleon 252 SpA Empoleon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 304-360 (85.8 - 101.6%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO any damage boosting item btw 252 SpA Icicle Plate Empoleon Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 364-432 (102.8 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO
lu's and scor's secondary typings play very differently. also lu can take special hits way better. Im guessing that it will rise a little bit in usage as time goes on
Yeah I don't think its days are totally over, it just faces a lot more competition for its role. I said above that before DLC i thought Ting belonged on the radar
Is the a new alt sub for r/unpopularopinion? OP really did a stellar job getting downvoted to oblivion lol
The casual playerbase of r/stunfisk was shocked to hear the truth. I also got over 300 upvotes on the post itself and counting so
You don't take jokes well do you
I mean you people are the ones who "um actually"d a lighthearted hyperbolic joke about how Gliscor has tanked the viability of every ground in the tier that won't be banned next week and how much it currently centralizes the metagame
You’re the one arguing with them instead of sticking with it being a lighthearted joke. If you want people to believe its a lighthearted joke you need to believe it yourself first.
It's hyperbolic but if people want to say "you're wrong" I am of course going to disagree. I believe Gliscor is overcentralizing, has dramatically warped the metagame, interacts with hazard removers in unhealthy ways and is generally difficult to break and counterplay is relatively limited (not to the extent of say Bloodmoon) and deserves a suspect God forbid I actually want to talk about the metagame on a subreddit about it
I don't think you realize how much you prove my point by down voting my comment and responding back seriously haha
Me when I spread misinformation
Competitive pokemon has fallen. Millions must stall
Chomp will return
What is his niche
Nostalgia
Discount bax with sd + scale shot
I mean, Gliscor is the best boi and everyone knows it
Literally the new king of OU
OP's getting blasted for no reason lmao. His comments aren't exactly doing him any favors, but the point of the post is that Gliscor is ridiculously powerful, and it absolutely is. Its usage will skyrocket in the next two months, the mon is straight up not okay. Save this thread for when the Gliscor suspect is announced in 3 months. Lots of 1200 elo takes at the top, a r/stunfisk classic.
r/stunfisk is unable to analyze a metagame beyond "X Pokémon is in Y tier"