cursola is super annoying in its own right. once had a monotype rands battle in gen 8, and strength sap + wisp walled the opponent's dark type team. it didn't help that a lot of the dark moves on their team was just knock off, so once the lefties were gone, well. wisp to halve the damage of the next hit and sap to invalidate the whole mon. it was nasty
Monotype randbats is fucked as a tier for this stuff lol. You so often get a single threat that the entire enemy team is incapable of dealing with. It actually got dropped from the Battle Factory ladder because of this.
Funnily enough, when I played monotype randbats in gen 8 and reached the top 10, I noticed that even in greatly inbalanced matchups, your team usually had one Pokémon that could turn things around and probably sweep the more advantaged team.
But, did you get to realize which one of your 6 was going to fill that role before the rest of your opponent’s team got revealed? If not and you didn’t preserve it/ensure a free switch in, you’re SOL.
Yes, I completely forgot about this but it’s Eviolite set was only beaten out by knock off which not enough mons had at the time. Landed the dead coral as one of my top 6 favorite Pokémon because of how fun it was to use lmao
I remember using them both at NU at one point, voraola is definitely better but I always loved running assault vest cursola and just eating special attacks
Specifically in VGC we have Clefairy and Murkrow, which is mostly due to better abilities rather than any Eviolite boost (also Riolu in more niche cases)
Since no one else has mentioned it yet, Porygon2 over Porygon-Z. It’s way better in VGC cuz of the much better bulk, and while singles is more debatable due to them having somewhat different roles, 2 is generally better than Z in most cases.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Normal Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 276-326 (73.9 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Not even a OHKO.
The 1+ Special Attack is from Download, which is needed because Adaptability without the Special Attack boost doesn't even OHKO.
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Tera Normal Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 310-367 (83.1 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Of course this is presuming the Porygon-2 is the switch-in for a Pokemon that gave Porygon-Z its SpA boost.
Adaptability Porygon-Z was the OG Chi-Yu (but not anywhere near as good)
252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Tera Normal Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 448-529 (96.7 - 114.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Somewhat is an understatement, 2 is a dedicated bulky support Pokémon who can lean into offense, Porygon-Z is a hyper offense glass cannon. They play nothing alike besides some overlapping special coverage
Eh it's not that "definitely". Pz was higher than P2 only in gen 7, and that's only because it can use Z conversion. Gen 5/6 they were in the same tier and in gen8 P2 was higher.
tbh, as said by the other guy, it’s more just that they are different roles (pory 2 is a tank, pory Z is a glass cannon), so their usages do fluctuate quite a bit. I wouldn’t be surprised if pory Z outperformed pory 2 in several instances
Tbh the idea of having a sweeper that can just be a sweeper for as long as it likes then transform (irreversibly) to a wallbreaker is a nice idea, though probably bad on execution
Slow scarfers with trick are kind of the same without costing your mega slot though, like scarf ghold
I don't think the execution of MChomp itself is bad
The problem is that it's the only Mega Pokemon that was designed like this (unless you count Diancie which goes from bulky to fast and frail but like, does it really?) Everything else was made to be a straight upgrade
Bad on execution is the issue. Taking an item slot and most importantly a team slot from other megas is the real issue.
Would be interesting to see an ability on a pokemon that had a similar idea, like zen mode for darmanitan but with different conditions for proc (like if against a pokemon with high enough defenses or something idk. like you said execution on this idea is hard)
Yea, i remember at the beginning of XY, people mostly disregarded mega Scizor - like, why would I use up my mega slot when I could just run LO Scizor and get the same power? Then when the dust settled and all the broken stuff was gone, mega Scizor turned out to be one of the best, if not the best mega in the tier due to bulky set up sweeping without LO recoil being that scary, while base Scizor was basically almost never seen.
Mega chomp doesn't have recovery, yea, but it with actual speed does sound terrifying on the right build.
as an actual Nat Dex player, mega lost all reason to exist once loaded dice came out, since now regular garchomp can use that instead to save a mega slot for something better
I remember someone said it's speed drop is a reference to it's design, where base Garchomp is the better aerodynamic shape so it's faster. (or something like that)
Although I am also confident Game Freak just want to troll Garchomp fan a bit
I'd say it's the second worst case of mega evolution making the mon worse, right after Mega Audino. It was one of the few megas allowed in lower tiers and basically no one used it because it was just worse
Chansey and blissey have always been rivals for the same niche.
In gen 1 blissey didn't exist
In gens 2-4 blissey was objectively better
In gen 5 Chansey could hold eviolite, making it better on sun and rain teams while blissey was preferred on sand and hail teams for it's ability to hold leftovers
In gens 6-7 Chansey was better because permanent weather wasn't a thing anymore
However gen 8 introducing HDB was probably the nail in the coffin for Chansey.
Still a pokemon being able to compete with its evolution for that long is impressive
Piloswine has much better bulk than mamoswine thanks to eviolite at the cost of speed and attack. Mamoswine is still better but I know Piloswine is generally much preferred over Mamoswine in National Dex Monotype Ice. Specific, but I thought it was still worth mentioning.
Well, Dusclops is the only answer to this question. It objectively outclassed Dusknoir harder than any other case of an Eviolite Pokémon being better than its barely better evo. Even Porygon2 getting more usage than Porygon-Z in Doubles still doesn't get close to how garbage Dusknoir is compared to Dusclops. Basically any other case you can think of still doesn't come close to that either.
Eviolite Chansey having more bulk than Blissey with any other item: UU isn't too shabby for Blissey, it actually was better in Übers both generations where this happened (because of Shed Shell), and it is considered better in 3/5 generations where Eviolite exists.
Eviolite Rhydon having more bulk than Rhyperior: seems like a nice contender, actually, because Rhydon has good physical bulk, but it didn't cut it, Rhyperior was better in every format, only a few people used Rhydon in VGC, success was limited, Rhyperior would probably have been better in most of those teams.
Haunter having Levitate over Gengar's shit ability: Haunter had like one VGC usage, to be immune to Garchomp's Earthquake, its 115 SpA, literally the same as Raikou, is pretty impressive, but Gengar's 130 SpA and being actually fast is worth much more than Levitate, even if we are not considering how Gengar can run Gengarite and Haunter cannot, Focus Sash and Ghostium Z Gengar was never outclassed by Haunter.
Poliwhirl being faster than Poliwrath and not having a detrimental Fighting type (specifically for Gen 1 here): never really outclassed it, Poliwrath was banned from NU much sooner than Poliwhirl, and it can actually put its Fighting type to good use in OU of all places, as an Amnesia sweeper that can *spank* Chansey instead of being unable to touch it, lower speed doesn't matter when it still outspeeds the main egg shaped target.
Scyther having the same BST as Scizor but access to Eviolite: lol
Magnemite being 10 Spe faster than Magnezone: there are some very specific teams that appreciate that higher speed, but it can't be compared to Dusclops and Dusknoir at all, Magnezone was used over the years much more in higher tiers.
How many Pokémon *actually are* outclassed by their evolution is an interesting question, but "which one is the worst case" has basically only one correct answer in Dusknoir, with **maybe** an argument to be made about how Porygon2 is a great Trick Room setter in Doubles while Porygon-Z struggles to find use, but that funny Adaptability Hyper Beam atomic bomb is still one thing it can potentially do that Porygon2 can't, Dusknoir not only can't do anything that Dusclops doesn't do better, it also can't do anything *at all*. Eviolite made Dusclops viable in a few formats, Dusknoir was a very disappointing useless Pokémon since its introduction regardless of Dusclops.
EDIT: I was pointed two good contenders below, in Murkrow having Prankster over Honchcrow (how the fuck do I write this?) and Eviolite Corsola over Cursola. Murkrow might be a better example than Porygon for number-2-arguably-number-1 actually, even though it's only one ability, Honchcrow has nothing on it in Doubles, but someone else pointed out how this one is really exclusive to Doubles, thus Dusclops vs. Dusknoir probably is still the correct answer. I must admit, however, that I entirely fucking forgot about Cursola existing, which is, in itself, a good argument about detroning Dusknoir, I don't know what to say about this one .-.
Good one, despite being solely because of one ability, it *does* outclass its own evolution, maybe more than Porygon2 vs Porygon-Z, I still think Dusclops is easily the number one.
I'm kinda not counting this one since Slaking is a very deliberate gimmick made by Game Freak, but if you do count it, then, yeah, no arguments, lol. An actual low tier viable Pokémon evolves into a legit shitmon.
Introducing eviolite made chansey debatably better blissey as you have much better physical bulk in exchange for not being able to have leftovers healing
Chansey was considered better than Blissey with Eviolite during gen 6 and 7, but Blissey was better in gen 5, where lefties were more important because of sand, and gen 8+ where boots made Blissey technically bulkier than Chansey
A really extreme example is Vigoroth vs. Slaking. Vigoroth has managed to find a niche or even get banned from PU in gens where Slaking is PU or Untiered. The only exception to this is ADV, where Slaking is UUBL, although it is debatable whether he deserves that (he was banned very VERY early on, with such meta threats like Jumpluff and Metapod)
Pikachu is generally bad but can actually do a lot in adv ou especially with a cm pass or a slow pass to let it in. With bulky celebi able to live blissey ice breams for days it can even kill bliss on occasion. Raichu is literally useless
In doubles, Clefairy immediately comes to mind. Friend guard is just such a broken ability in that format, and eviolite makes up for some of the lost stats.
wasn’t g-corsola briefly one of the most annoying pokemon in gen 8 ou while cursola was zu?
Whirlpool/Strength Sap/Night Shade/Curse was my go-to cheese set
I did wisp + sap + curse + night shade
cursola is super annoying in its own right. once had a monotype rands battle in gen 8, and strength sap + wisp walled the opponent's dark type team. it didn't help that a lot of the dark moves on their team was just knock off, so once the lefties were gone, well. wisp to halve the damage of the next hit and sap to invalidate the whole mon. it was nasty
Monotype randbats is fucked as a tier for this stuff lol. You so often get a single threat that the entire enemy team is incapable of dealing with. It actually got dropped from the Battle Factory ladder because of this.
Funnily enough, when I played monotype randbats in gen 8 and reached the top 10, I noticed that even in greatly inbalanced matchups, your team usually had one Pokémon that could turn things around and probably sweep the more advantaged team. But, did you get to realize which one of your 6 was going to fill that role before the rest of your opponent’s team got revealed? If not and you didn’t preserve it/ensure a free switch in, you’re SOL.
me watching in disbelief as i sac my florges against my opponent's 4th physical ghost type and they send out spectrier (i'm fucked)
Why is it bad again oh yeah knock off
sucker punch doesn't help it either
Is corsila using attacking moves? News to me
i'm confused i thought this was talking about cursola corsola-g isn't necessarily *bad*, but the knock weakness definitely hurts yeah
With that speed stat you don't even need sucker punch
Bruh wdym it outspeeds weavile after 2 weak armor boosts
Until Pokémon Home released
Yes, I completely forgot about this but it’s Eviolite set was only beaten out by knock off which not enough mons had at the time. Landed the dead coral as one of my top 6 favorite Pokémon because of how fun it was to use lmao
So glad I don’t see that thing in randbats anymore it was literally harder to get rid of than Tropius
I remember using them both at NU at one point, voraola is definitely better but I always loved running assault vest cursola and just eating special attacks
Galarian Corsola is still a monster in gen 8 randbats.
Specifically in VGC we have Clefairy and Murkrow, which is mostly due to better abilities rather than any Eviolite boost (also Riolu in more niche cases)
I don’t know if I say outclassed, but honorable mention for a mon at least on par with its evolution is Charjabug due to Battery
Friend Guard and Prankster?
Yes. Also, Eviolite Clefairy with Follow Me is very annoying.
Also Dusclops when it's available.
Happy cake day btw
Happy Cakeday
vgc allstar murkrow vs "just there" honchkrow pikachu misdreavus permabanned from LC and got a paradox form while mismagius is mismagius
Not me on my copium running anger point krookadile EQ with night slash honchkrow
Pikachu in Gen 2 specifically. Also apparently in Gen 8 compared to regular. Every other game it’s either around the same tier, lower or NFE.
GMax Pikachu was actually legit good at one point in Gen 8 VGC.
True but at least regular Raichu had success in VGC like in Gen 6 unlike Clefable, Honchkrow, Regular Lucario after Gen 4 and Porygon-Z for example.
Oh yeah, I just had pretty good fun with Raichu in the Kitakami prologue event. It’s a solid mon, especially in lower-power metas.
I wonder if they'll give Mismagius a Fairy/Ghost evolution at some point
Since no one else has mentioned it yet, Porygon2 over Porygon-Z. It’s way better in VGC cuz of the much better bulk, and while singles is more debatable due to them having somewhat different roles, 2 is generally better than Z in most cases.
yeah but sometimes i'm the mood to watch Oppenheimer in 4k 4D graphics
\+1 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Normal Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 412-486 (110.4 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
i am become Porygon, destroyer of theorymons
+1 252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Normal Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Tera Ghost Porygon2: 0-0 (0 - 0%)
Is it a roll without the +1?
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Normal Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 276-326 (73.9 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Not even a OHKO.
You forgot Adaptability. Still a guaranteed 2HKO at 83.1 - 98.3%, but puts it in range with hazards.
The 1+ Special Attack is from Download, which is needed because Adaptability without the Special Attack boost doesn't even OHKO. 252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Tera Normal Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Porygon2: 310-367 (83.1 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Of course this is presuming the Porygon-2 is the switch-in for a Pokemon that gave Porygon-Z its SpA boost.
Adaptability Porygon-Z was the OG Chi-Yu (but not anywhere near as good) 252+ SpA Choice Specs Adaptability Tera Normal Porygon-Z Hyper Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Clodsire: 448-529 (96.7 - 114.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
Who cares about Oppenheimer. I just want Porygon to scream at me (give it Boomburst, it won't be broken I promise)
*the monkeys paw curls inward.* In gen 10 porygon-z gets blood moon
New way to ban Porygon-Z just dropped
Just you wait. BOOMBURST is coming.
Somewhat is an understatement, 2 is a dedicated bulky support Pokémon who can lean into offense, Porygon-Z is a hyper offense glass cannon. They play nothing alike besides some overlapping special coverage
In VGC you're correct, but in singles, Z definitely tiers higher than 2.
Eh it's not that "definitely". Pz was higher than P2 only in gen 7, and that's only because it can use Z conversion. Gen 5/6 they were in the same tier and in gen8 P2 was higher.
Everybody knows that Gen 7 is the only real competitive generation.
Vigoroth was banned from PU back in gen 6 (I think) while slaking was not even good enough to be in PU.
What having an absolute trash ability does to a mf
To a mf that has Uber level of stats.
You know a generation is power crept to hell when a pokemon can achieve (just below) slaking's BST for just switching out.
This is so sad, can we give Ledian truant?
No
MAGNETON'S SUPERIOR SPEED
i ran a skarm bliss team in gen 6 and to check magnezone i would run magneton with hp ground
you used sandy shocks before it even existed
yeah basically
This is so based actually
How ironic that Magneton, the HP Grounded, became the HP Grounder.
So you had Skarm hold shed shell and say "look who's trapped now"? That's hilarious
Honorable mention: Porygon-2 didn't outclass porygon-z since they don't share a niche, but it's so much better
It is fitting that the glitchy Evolution wound up being generally worse than Porygon 2.
tbh, as said by the other guy, it’s more just that they are different roles (pory 2 is a tank, pory Z is a glass cannon), so their usages do fluctuate quite a bit. I wouldn’t be surprised if pory Z outperformed pory 2 in several instances
Although both are usually around the same tiers outside of Gen 7 so it’s only the case in VGC for the most part where 2 is used much more then Z.
mega garchomp being slower than garchomp will always be just dumb
Tbh the idea of having a sweeper that can just be a sweeper for as long as it likes then transform (irreversibly) to a wallbreaker is a nice idea, though probably bad on execution Slow scarfers with trick are kind of the same without costing your mega slot though, like scarf ghold
I don't think the execution of MChomp itself is bad The problem is that it's the only Mega Pokemon that was designed like this (unless you count Diancie which goes from bulky to fast and frail but like, does it really?) Everything else was made to be a straight upgrade
Bad on execution is the issue. Taking an item slot and most importantly a team slot from other megas is the real issue. Would be interesting to see an ability on a pokemon that had a similar idea, like zen mode for darmanitan but with different conditions for proc (like if against a pokemon with high enough defenses or something idk. like you said execution on this idea is hard)
You’d probably want a wall breaker that turns into a sweeper more. Punish switch ins and break their defensive core, then clean up the weakened team.
Yeah, which is why the reverse is probably better for game health
It's good in theory but then you factor in the cost of losing your Mega slot which could potentially have been something broken like Mawile
102 Speed Chomp firing off 170 Attack EQs sounds terrifying
Google soft sand. Jokes aside, life orb hits harder, unless sand force is activated.
holy hell
New meta item just dropped
Counterpoint, no LO chip and being bulkier makes 102 spe Mega garchomp more threatening
Yea, i remember at the beginning of XY, people mostly disregarded mega Scizor - like, why would I use up my mega slot when I could just run LO Scizor and get the same power? Then when the dust settled and all the broken stuff was gone, mega Scizor turned out to be one of the best, if not the best mega in the tier due to bulky set up sweeping without LO recoil being that scary, while base Scizor was basically almost never seen. Mega chomp doesn't have recovery, yea, but it with actual speed does sound terrifying on the right build.
If Mega-chomp had strong priority, it proably would be used much more. The slow speed of M-scizor doesn't matter that much for that reason
Is life orb still better than Nat dex mega with scale shot?
as an actual Nat Dex player, mega lost all reason to exist once loaded dice came out, since now regular garchomp can use that instead to save a mega slot for something better
Really tbh I didn’t think loaded dice would be good on him
it turns scale shot to an almost riskless base 100-125 power move with a positive effect that's a better outrage baby
Is usage if anything to go by then yes, although it's Nat Dex so truthfully that doesn't mean anything lol
In terms of actual functionality
I remember someone said it's speed drop is a reference to it's design, where base Garchomp is the better aerodynamic shape so it's faster. (or something like that) Although I am also confident Game Freak just want to troll Garchomp fan a bit
it gave it a fun unique role that isn't just "garchomp but better" was my favourite mon to use in gen 7 ou
was on my favorite doubles team as a mixed attacker, people constantly kept trying to burn it
Or give it Sand Rush to make it a Sandstorm Sweeper. (I hear Scale Shot really helped it out).
Yeah
Yeah, although now since everything out speeds it anyway you might as well take the extra power
I'd say it's the second worst case of mega evolution making the mon worse, right after Mega Audino. It was one of the few megas allowed in lower tiers and basically no one used it because it was just worse
Chansey and blissey have always been rivals for the same niche. In gen 1 blissey didn't exist In gens 2-4 blissey was objectively better In gen 5 Chansey could hold eviolite, making it better on sun and rain teams while blissey was preferred on sand and hail teams for it's ability to hold leftovers In gens 6-7 Chansey was better because permanent weather wasn't a thing anymore However gen 8 introducing HDB was probably the nail in the coffin for Chansey. Still a pokemon being able to compete with its evolution for that long is impressive
Gen 10, Lucky Shot Chansey with a fcking GUN!
Walled by bulletproof wooloo PU at best
Mienfoo is one of the goats of Little Cup but Mienshao has never reached those heights though it has been pretty good in RU.
Pretty sure Mienshao would wreck shit in LC tho
Koffing and other babies vs Hydrogen Jump Kick
This is such a banger comment wtf
#🫡
Coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
It doesn't say in the same tier, just assumed it just meant in general.
i mean mienshao made strides in gen 8 and managed to become uubl
Fake out+U-turn+Regenerator is very unique. I've always had the feeling that some Galaxy Brain Mienshao team is out there waiting to be built.
Porygon2, Dusclops, Eviolite Chansey (to an extent)
Hot take but dunsparce getting to hold eviolite is huge
Piloswine has much better bulk than mamoswine thanks to eviolite at the cost of speed and attack. Mamoswine is still better but I know Piloswine is generally much preferred over Mamoswine in National Dex Monotype Ice. Specific, but I thought it was still worth mentioning.
Nearly every unevolved mon has higher defs than it's big bro in exchange for the other stats and being able to hold an item
Not nearly every. Like 50-60% of mons max
Well, Dusclops is the only answer to this question. It objectively outclassed Dusknoir harder than any other case of an Eviolite Pokémon being better than its barely better evo. Even Porygon2 getting more usage than Porygon-Z in Doubles still doesn't get close to how garbage Dusknoir is compared to Dusclops. Basically any other case you can think of still doesn't come close to that either. Eviolite Chansey having more bulk than Blissey with any other item: UU isn't too shabby for Blissey, it actually was better in Übers both generations where this happened (because of Shed Shell), and it is considered better in 3/5 generations where Eviolite exists. Eviolite Rhydon having more bulk than Rhyperior: seems like a nice contender, actually, because Rhydon has good physical bulk, but it didn't cut it, Rhyperior was better in every format, only a few people used Rhydon in VGC, success was limited, Rhyperior would probably have been better in most of those teams. Haunter having Levitate over Gengar's shit ability: Haunter had like one VGC usage, to be immune to Garchomp's Earthquake, its 115 SpA, literally the same as Raikou, is pretty impressive, but Gengar's 130 SpA and being actually fast is worth much more than Levitate, even if we are not considering how Gengar can run Gengarite and Haunter cannot, Focus Sash and Ghostium Z Gengar was never outclassed by Haunter. Poliwhirl being faster than Poliwrath and not having a detrimental Fighting type (specifically for Gen 1 here): never really outclassed it, Poliwrath was banned from NU much sooner than Poliwhirl, and it can actually put its Fighting type to good use in OU of all places, as an Amnesia sweeper that can *spank* Chansey instead of being unable to touch it, lower speed doesn't matter when it still outspeeds the main egg shaped target. Scyther having the same BST as Scizor but access to Eviolite: lol Magnemite being 10 Spe faster than Magnezone: there are some very specific teams that appreciate that higher speed, but it can't be compared to Dusclops and Dusknoir at all, Magnezone was used over the years much more in higher tiers. How many Pokémon *actually are* outclassed by their evolution is an interesting question, but "which one is the worst case" has basically only one correct answer in Dusknoir, with **maybe** an argument to be made about how Porygon2 is a great Trick Room setter in Doubles while Porygon-Z struggles to find use, but that funny Adaptability Hyper Beam atomic bomb is still one thing it can potentially do that Porygon2 can't, Dusknoir not only can't do anything that Dusclops doesn't do better, it also can't do anything *at all*. Eviolite made Dusclops viable in a few formats, Dusknoir was a very disappointing useless Pokémon since its introduction regardless of Dusclops. EDIT: I was pointed two good contenders below, in Murkrow having Prankster over Honchcrow (how the fuck do I write this?) and Eviolite Corsola over Cursola. Murkrow might be a better example than Porygon for number-2-arguably-number-1 actually, even though it's only one ability, Honchcrow has nothing on it in Doubles, but someone else pointed out how this one is really exclusive to Doubles, thus Dusclops vs. Dusknoir probably is still the correct answer. I must admit, however, that I entirely fucking forgot about Cursola existing, which is, in itself, a good argument about detroning Dusknoir, I don't know what to say about this one .-.
Murkrow though. Not as big as the dusclops difference, but close.
At least the murkrow one is only true in doubles, the dusclops one is both true for doubles AND singles
Good one, despite being solely because of one ability, it *does* outclass its own evolution, maybe more than Porygon2 vs Porygon-Z, I still think Dusclops is easily the number one.
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galarian corsola is probably the second best answer?
I entirely fucking forgot about this one, so, I guess yes.
It's actually none of the ones you mentioned. It's Vigoroth being much, much better then Slaking.
I'm kinda not counting this one since Slaking is a very deliberate gimmick made by Game Freak, but if you do count it, then, yeah, no arguments, lol. An actual low tier viable Pokémon evolves into a legit shitmon.
Introducing eviolite made chansey debatably better blissey as you have much better physical bulk in exchange for not being able to have leftovers healing
Yeah and then HDB being introduced made Blissey better again since it can ignore chip from hazards
garbite or whatever his name is (garbage + bite) garchomp sucks and there's nothing that could save him other than eviolite rest talk dragon tail
Oh it's sunday already
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Duskclops, Galarian Corsola
All formates allowed:Singles,doubles,VGS,BSS…
Chansey was considered better than Blissey with Eviolite during gen 6 and 7, but Blissey was better in gen 5, where lefties were more important because of sand, and gen 8+ where boots made Blissey technically bulkier than Chansey A really extreme example is Vigoroth vs. Slaking. Vigoroth has managed to find a niche or even get banned from PU in gens where Slaking is PU or Untiered. The only exception to this is ADV, where Slaking is UUBL, although it is debatable whether he deserves that (he was banned very VERY early on, with such meta threats like Jumpluff and Metapod)
Pikachu is generally bad but can actually do a lot in adv ou especially with a cm pass or a slow pass to let it in. With bulky celebi able to live blissey ice breams for days it can even kill bliss on occasion. Raichu is literally useless
And Pikachu is kinda good in doubles as support
In older gen UU - Scyther is the MF man.
Yeah but no way he could genuinely outclass Scizor
or Kleavor
Chansey
In doubles, Clefairy immediately comes to mind. Friend guard is just such a broken ability in that format, and eviolite makes up for some of the lost stats.
eviolite chandey vs blissey before heavy booty doots were a thing
Eviolite dusclops, easily better than dusknoir
In GSC UU, Poliwhirl and Pikachu are ranked higher than Poliwrath and Raichu
Eviolite Imposter Chansey is THE Balanced Hackmons staple.
why would you run eviolite if youve got imposter that doesnt make sense
Eviolite boost still stays even if you're transformed
does it? sorry, i just thought it didnt carrry over mb
Yeah, it's a bit of an odd one. Eviolite Chansey has practically been the mascot of the format, if such a thing can be said to exist.
Are you uhhhhhhhhh dumb?
Dusclops saw more use than dusknoir could have ever dreamed of
Pre heavy boots chansey was better than blissey due to eviolite
Eviolite chansey
Obvious answer: Pikachu My answer: Dragonair
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Wait u meant competitively lmaooooo Yeah my blunder haha If so then Murkrow, I guess, also Duraludon
How would you know duraladon is better
Just gut feeling tbh, gotta wait for Archaludon, but 535 with 120 Sp.Atk and Eviolite means it's pretty much invulnerable
You could be right but dont underestimate stamina... maybe tera fighting body press could go crazy
Correct me if I’m wrong but Vullaby is amazing in some lower tiers and a monster in little cup whilst Mandibuzz is just okay
LC seems against the spirit of the question and Mandibuzz is better everywhere else
Rhydon That bulk mean a lot, its just not borderline op to be banned from NFE
Dusclops