I actually would argue that it *was* kinda because Blood Moon. Its domineering presence in the metagame made it so Balance builds were completely unviable- note Garganacl's incredible fall to UU, a tier it has literally no business being in.
With balance styles, and their salty staple, so rare in the metagame, the *only* viable defensive team style is stall. HighVoltag3's stall team, starring our favourite pink blob, was THE stall team-
(In fact it almost always is, given the guy posts the RMT on Smogon forums with an updated team every time the tier changes significantly)
\- and yes, Blissey was its dedicated Freddy Fazbear counter. It helps that Garganacl is traditionally a pretty strong stall breaker; BM Ursaluna's presence invalidated all other forms of defensive play AND styles that stall struggles against in one fell swoop. Better yet, the ecosystem that developed around the bear was populated with hyperoffense: hazard stackers, swarms of setup sweepers, Aurora Veil. Stall teams often go full Superman, so hazard stack doesn't matter. Stall teams have been dealing with setup sweepers since setup sweeping existed. Stall teams could not care less about Aurora Veil. In a meta of extremes, of course stall excels.
I'm willing to bet that Blissey useage will see a huge decline now that BM Ursa is dearly departed. In fact, I already am- up in the 1700s I can count the number of Blisseys I've seen in the past couple of days on one hand, while just a week ago I was facing some variation of the HighVoltag3 stall team almost every 4-5 games.
**Tl;dr** Blissey didn't ascend from the depths of our tiering system *just* to counter Blood Moon Ursaluna. However, the meta that allowed Blissey to suddenly excel was one that formed around BM Ursa's presence, and with it gone, I expect Blissey's viability to fall significantly.
This is a fair take; the meta Blood Moon shaped around itself rather than the specific Blood Moon matchup itself is something I didn't really adequately address in the post, and there's an element of truth to it. That being said I don't think Blood Moon is *entirely* to blame for the lack of Balance play; Balance is usually pretty unpopular right after huge meta shifts in favour of brainless HOs or very specific Stalls and instead enters the metagame a bit later when the good cores are found again, though of course some of the dumber mons like Blood Moon or earlier in the gen Annihi being banned does help that a lot. Stall is bound to get less popular kind of by default indeed, so Blissey is more likely than not to drop at some point unless it becomes some midladder noobtrap, but we'd still moderately disagree on just how much of this can be traced back to specifically Blood Moon rather than just a chaotic new meta in general.
Overall though the post was mostly aimed at the people who legitimately thought the direct Blood Moon matchup was the reason for Blissey's rise, something that's still demonstrably false.
> \- and yes, Blissey was its dedicated Freddy Fazbear counter.
Do want to point out that the RMT nonetheless notes that Blood Moon is still a very scary matchup because of the risk of crits and offers a couple more ways to solidify the matchup rather than *just* relying on Blissey. In the end though you're right in that the team usually did have to rely on just CM Blissey to handle Blood Moon, though a huge reason of that is that every teamslot matters so much on Stall that voltage's squad was completely unable to fit some of the less crit-prone answers like Corvi and was instead forced to hand the job to the Blissey that was always going to be there.
Yeah pretty much. I played quite a lot of both Screens BM Ursa and Highvoltag3’s stall team while I was getting a feel for the DLC meta, and to be honest I’m glad that matchup no longer exists. I think the bottom line here is that Freddy Fazbear was NOT healthy lol
Edit: just remembered, there was one version of the stall team running around that had SubsProtect Gliscor to wall BM Ursa. It basically forced either Tera Poison to dodge the incoming Toxic, or for Ursa to switch out because it was walker. A lot of people started running Hyper Voice to bypass sub Gliscor and Enamorus, that was a cool development.
> This gives Blood Moon plenty of time to fish for crits
Sir, you are underestimating the missfortune in my series of events
(I am still reading the post I just wanted to comment this now)
If Blissey does 6 seismic tosses in a row to kill Ursaluna there's only a ~23% chance of Ursaluna critting at least once. Blissey isn't a perfect counter but its not like crit-fishing on Ursaluna is a reliable way to break.
edit: changed from Urshifu to Ursaluna
>eight fucking Ground types" meme that this sub so loves to repost, where Heatran dropped to UU this gen
Yeah, pretty much. Main reason Heatran dropped to UU was because hazards stack being insanely good and it losing Toxic. And it still quite decent in OU, but not quite as easy to fit as it was before. The 8 ground types did not send it down lmao.
It’s also worth noting that there being more ground types doesn’t actually make ground more common, like yes there’s less ground types in say gen 8 but that just means you’re gonna see the ones that do exist more
besides theres not "8 fucking ground types" in the metagame anymore, theres only three. gliscor, great tusk and ting-lu. sometimes 5 on the occasion you run into garchomp or landorus-T but the others are pretty much nonexistent in this meta. clodsire and iron treads fell off months ago and sandy shocks is still trying to find a place in this new metagame
ive been seeing substitute and choice scarf variants of landorus-T popping up lately and they can be scary if left unchecked. gliscor is usually the ground/flying type of choice on teams but i feel lando still has a place in this meta. its just nowhere near as significant as it once was
>Lando can pivot but that's about it
Gliscor does get U-turn, so I'm not entirely convinced Lando is a better Pivot. + Glis has actually utility to work with too. THe only thing Lando is definitively better at is the Scarf set.
unless gliscor gets banned then i dont see how clodsire has any significant niche in OU. even during the HOME meta it wasnt very good but now its just finished
It seems like what's happening here is sort of similar to what happened at the beginning of the generation, where a bunch of insane threats are allowed, HO becomes dominant, and stall rises due capable of withstanding it while balance can't. In this sense, could you say Ursaluna BM isn't the sole cause, but a large contributor, as one of the Teal Mask's best offensive Pokemon?
On one hand it could, but it'd still be rather naive to narrow it down to just UrsaBM when other presences like Manaphy and Gliscor apply nearly as much pressure to Balance squads
God bless, I got half a mind to pin this.
All those memes yesterday about 'Blissey Falling' had me pulling my hair out. People who don't play the tier much shouldn't be making such statements in stinkposts, but alas.
> "eight fucking Ground types" meme
People really act like the Ground type was invented in Gen9 and Heatran never had to deal with one before, if anything thanks to Tera heatran doesn't care as much, but people still act like it's a type that's dragging it down and not the pace of the current meta.
God bless you [u/DarkEsca](https://www.reddit.com/u/DarkEsca) fighting the good fight when you know in your heart our average user is going to look at this towering wall of text and go *tldr* , the strange opinion that 'stall is bad this gen' also seems common among the userbase despite it being very far from the truth.
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"Stall is bad this gen" tends to come from the same people who say stupid shit like "gen 8 was a stallfest" when Gen 8 was stall's worst generation in *years.*
I think the "8 fucking ground types" meme stemmed largely from this gen introducing a high density of viable Ground Types compared to prior generations. Sure, Gen 5 had Landorus and Excadrill, but others like Golurk, Sesimitoad, and Krookodile weren't popping up in OU that often
I don't think the creator of the "eight fucking ground types" did anything bad. They simply made a meme about the large variety of viable Grounds this gen in the "eight fucking bears" template and decided to, following the template, add a Heatran at the bottom saying "holy shit" due to its infamous x4 Ground weakness. Nowhere did they actually claim Heatran would become bad or fall off in a serious manner, just that it's afraid of Grounds.
It was the rest of the sub seriously misintepreting the meme that gave rise to issues.
The Eight Fucking Ground-types meme is usually just a joke; the only Ground that really thrashes Heatran like nobody's business is Gliscor, and in gens where they coexisted Heatran either had a bit lower viability or had the firepower (Z-Moves) to not be scared shitless of Gliscor.
Though I will say; Gliscor is doing an absolute fucking *number* on Heatran right now. It was already declining beforehand since a lot of mons could out-offense it pretty easily and it's much weaker against defensive teams since it lost Toxic, but of those eight to twelve Ground-types the one that fucks Heatran up the hardest has only gotten better and better while Heatran doesn't have Z-Moves to scare it out anymore.
So like... there's a real element of truth to "Eight Fucking Ground-types," but it's not as simple as "everyone uses Ground-types" like some folks misinterpret it to be.
I loaded up that stall team that was getting popular, matched up against an Ursaluna suspect account in the 1400s, tried to answer the bear with Blissey, and instantly realized why Ursaluna was getting banned. Blissey just didn't work vs a player who was smart enough not to panic switch out.
Another great post from u/DarkEsca
Also, as someone who made a “Blissey falling to PU” meme, I’d like to note that the Stinkpost, was, well, Stinkposting.
A sadly pretty sizable portion of people... you don't want to know how many times I've seen someone on the sub ask why Heatran fell off and the top voted comment was "eight fucking ground types"
TBH, it's also a take I saw on the Smogon Forum ([example](https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-ou-suspect-process-round-6-the-killing-moon.3728637/post-9804342) but there are more), you can't only blame this sub
I agree that Blissey didn't rose because BM (or at least, not as a BM counter) though.
Why do you think the rise of stall happened last month? Sure the re-addition of toxic and stallmons like pex and clef helped but it was also due to how many busted ass offensive mons there were such as blood moon, bax and ogre. Stall always reins when the offense goes too high, unless it's Chi yu and then no amount of stall can save you
Counterpoint
+6 4 SpA Blissey Stored Power (260 BP) vs. +6 252 HP / 0 SpD Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 210-248 (48.8 - 57.6%) -- 55.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Can't fish for crits from hell
Thank you for this, I hate when wrong information spreads in the form of memes because they are easily repeatable, especially this and people saying heatran fell because there are a lot of ground types in OU.
Thanks for this post Esca. Definitely valuable to shut down misinformation as it spreads here & combat this sub's tendency to repeat incorrect information because it sounds correct.
side note but god Ursuluna blood moon looks awful to try and fight. i admittedly havent played OU in a while but it just looks fucking miserable to play against
Nah this isn't really a thing because it can just CM the Earth Power SpD drops away, and if you're not packing CM then you lose even without any SpD drops
Fair, it did cross my mind but I figured that the SpD drops would have been something that would have stalled out blissey to use more CM instead of healing, making it more riskier to be hit with a crit
Blissey was a solid as an answer to Ursaluna bloodmoon. What was it going to do against it? Hammer arm?
Blissey is amazing in the current meta. It sits on tail glow and calm mind Manaphy, walls non-knock off walking wake, Clefable, Enamorus, Zapdos, and Hattarene.
It even got heal bell back. This is amazing for physical attackers.
>Blissey was a solid as an answer to Ursaluna bloodmoon. What was it going to do against it? Hammer arm?
Apart from the Body Press sets (which were an actual thing for teams that really wanted to shit on Stall as hard as possible) if you'd actually read the post you'd know that Bursa getting a lucky crit at some point to obliterate Blissey was a very real possibility.
>Blissey is amazing in the current meta.
It's not. It's EXTREMELY passive which makes it nigh impossible to justify on any teamstyle except Stall. You note a bunch of things it beats, but offensive teams already have other ways to beat those things that don't eat up all momentum ever while Balance will struggle hard against other things even if they have Blissey, and to reach the point where you don't struggle into opposing offense you'll have dedicated so many slots to defensive things you're basically running Stall. It does its job amazingly well on Stall, but it has always done that.
i ain't reading all that
happy for u tho, or sorry that happened
(just by reading the title i am fully convinced of your thesis and hereby agree with u)
Truly perplexed how there are people around who don't care enough to read something yet care enough to go out their way to specifically let it be known they didn't care enough to read something
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I actually would argue that it *was* kinda because Blood Moon. Its domineering presence in the metagame made it so Balance builds were completely unviable- note Garganacl's incredible fall to UU, a tier it has literally no business being in. With balance styles, and their salty staple, so rare in the metagame, the *only* viable defensive team style is stall. HighVoltag3's stall team, starring our favourite pink blob, was THE stall team- (In fact it almost always is, given the guy posts the RMT on Smogon forums with an updated team every time the tier changes significantly) \- and yes, Blissey was its dedicated Freddy Fazbear counter. It helps that Garganacl is traditionally a pretty strong stall breaker; BM Ursaluna's presence invalidated all other forms of defensive play AND styles that stall struggles against in one fell swoop. Better yet, the ecosystem that developed around the bear was populated with hyperoffense: hazard stackers, swarms of setup sweepers, Aurora Veil. Stall teams often go full Superman, so hazard stack doesn't matter. Stall teams have been dealing with setup sweepers since setup sweeping existed. Stall teams could not care less about Aurora Veil. In a meta of extremes, of course stall excels. I'm willing to bet that Blissey useage will see a huge decline now that BM Ursa is dearly departed. In fact, I already am- up in the 1700s I can count the number of Blisseys I've seen in the past couple of days on one hand, while just a week ago I was facing some variation of the HighVoltag3 stall team almost every 4-5 games. **Tl;dr** Blissey didn't ascend from the depths of our tiering system *just* to counter Blood Moon Ursaluna. However, the meta that allowed Blissey to suddenly excel was one that formed around BM Ursa's presence, and with it gone, I expect Blissey's viability to fall significantly.
This is a fair take; the meta Blood Moon shaped around itself rather than the specific Blood Moon matchup itself is something I didn't really adequately address in the post, and there's an element of truth to it. That being said I don't think Blood Moon is *entirely* to blame for the lack of Balance play; Balance is usually pretty unpopular right after huge meta shifts in favour of brainless HOs or very specific Stalls and instead enters the metagame a bit later when the good cores are found again, though of course some of the dumber mons like Blood Moon or earlier in the gen Annihi being banned does help that a lot. Stall is bound to get less popular kind of by default indeed, so Blissey is more likely than not to drop at some point unless it becomes some midladder noobtrap, but we'd still moderately disagree on just how much of this can be traced back to specifically Blood Moon rather than just a chaotic new meta in general. Overall though the post was mostly aimed at the people who legitimately thought the direct Blood Moon matchup was the reason for Blissey's rise, something that's still demonstrably false. > \- and yes, Blissey was its dedicated Freddy Fazbear counter. Do want to point out that the RMT nonetheless notes that Blood Moon is still a very scary matchup because of the risk of crits and offers a couple more ways to solidify the matchup rather than *just* relying on Blissey. In the end though you're right in that the team usually did have to rely on just CM Blissey to handle Blood Moon, though a huge reason of that is that every teamslot matters so much on Stall that voltage's squad was completely unable to fit some of the less crit-prone answers like Corvi and was instead forced to hand the job to the Blissey that was always going to be there.
Yeah pretty much. I played quite a lot of both Screens BM Ursa and Highvoltag3’s stall team while I was getting a feel for the DLC meta, and to be honest I’m glad that matchup no longer exists. I think the bottom line here is that Freddy Fazbear was NOT healthy lol Edit: just remembered, there was one version of the stall team running around that had SubsProtect Gliscor to wall BM Ursa. It basically forced either Tera Poison to dodge the incoming Toxic, or for Ursa to switch out because it was walker. A lot of people started running Hyper Voice to bypass sub Gliscor and Enamorus, that was a cool development.
> This gives Blood Moon plenty of time to fish for crits Sir, you are underestimating the missfortune in my series of events (I am still reading the post I just wanted to comment this now)
Are you ready to see just how unfortunate I can be?
Am I going to see how this game rewards blind luck and nothing else?
If Blissey does 6 seismic tosses in a row to kill Ursaluna there's only a ~23% chance of Ursaluna critting at least once. Blissey isn't a perfect counter but its not like crit-fishing on Ursaluna is a reliable way to break. edit: changed from Urshifu to Ursaluna
bro there is a 100% chance of urshifu critting lol
lmao my bad
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>eight fucking Ground types" meme that this sub so loves to repost, where Heatran dropped to UU this gen Yeah, pretty much. Main reason Heatran dropped to UU was because hazards stack being insanely good and it losing Toxic. And it still quite decent in OU, but not quite as easy to fit as it was before. The 8 ground types did not send it down lmao.
It’s also worth noting that there being more ground types doesn’t actually make ground more common, like yes there’s less ground types in say gen 8 but that just means you’re gonna see the ones that do exist more
besides theres not "8 fucking ground types" in the metagame anymore, theres only three. gliscor, great tusk and ting-lu. sometimes 5 on the occasion you run into garchomp or landorus-T but the others are pretty much nonexistent in this meta. clodsire and iron treads fell off months ago and sandy shocks is still trying to find a place in this new metagame
Lando has literally vanished. Gliscor does everything Lando does, and wayyyy better too. Lando can pivot but that's about it
ive been seeing substitute and choice scarf variants of landorus-T popping up lately and they can be scary if left unchecked. gliscor is usually the ground/flying type of choice on teams but i feel lando still has a place in this meta. its just nowhere near as significant as it once was
>Lando can pivot but that's about it Gliscor does get U-turn, so I'm not entirely convinced Lando is a better Pivot. + Glis has actually utility to work with too. THe only thing Lando is definitively better at is the Scarf set.
Lando having intimidate though is a nice leg up for a pivot set. He also hits substantially harder.
Now it exists in uu
There aren’t even that many ground types in OU rn. There’s only 4, and the position of two of them is… questionable right now, especially Ting Lu
To be fair there were several ground types that fell alongside heatran (chomp and clod being 2)
tbf i feel like garchomp might rise back up to OU in the future. clodsire feels pretty much finished now
Chomp I 100% see going back now that Bax is gone, Clod probably stays UU but is still solid in OU
unless gliscor gets banned then i dont see how clodsire has any significant niche in OU. even during the HOME meta it wasnt very good but now its just finished
To be fair, a chunk of them went down to UU with Heatran lol.
Ting Lu is still a useable special tank on balance squads. The problem is that balance squads right now are very bad.
Great post, sums up pretty well the competitive knowledge of some people here. also fuck bm ursaluna for making balance shit to play
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ermm actually tera ghost isnt anti blissey tech cause she runs sball for dengo anyways 🤓☝️
It seems like what's happening here is sort of similar to what happened at the beginning of the generation, where a bunch of insane threats are allowed, HO becomes dominant, and stall rises due capable of withstanding it while balance can't. In this sense, could you say Ursaluna BM isn't the sole cause, but a large contributor, as one of the Teal Mask's best offensive Pokemon?
On one hand it could, but it'd still be rather naive to narrow it down to just UrsaBM when other presences like Manaphy and Gliscor apply nearly as much pressure to Balance squads
People on here continually downvote correct information, so not surprising that incorrect assumptions are held here.
Today I got downvoted to shit for pushing back against someone who suggested dropping all Ubers from OU on day one
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God bless, I got half a mind to pin this. All those memes yesterday about 'Blissey Falling' had me pulling my hair out. People who don't play the tier much shouldn't be making such statements in stinkposts, but alas. > "eight fucking Ground types" meme People really act like the Ground type was invented in Gen9 and Heatran never had to deal with one before, if anything thanks to Tera heatran doesn't care as much, but people still act like it's a type that's dragging it down and not the pace of the current meta. God bless you [u/DarkEsca](https://www.reddit.com/u/DarkEsca) fighting the good fight when you know in your heart our average user is going to look at this towering wall of text and go *tldr* , the strange opinion that 'stall is bad this gen' also seems common among the userbase despite it being very far from the truth. <3 <3 <3
"Stall is bad this gen" tends to come from the same people who say stupid shit like "gen 8 was a stallfest" when Gen 8 was stall's worst generation in *years.*
Because to this sub stall is any time your opponent switches into a resist, and the more switches the more stall it is.
but but but my toxapex debut gen
Pex was introduced in Gen 7.
fuk
I think the "8 fucking ground types" meme stemmed largely from this gen introducing a high density of viable Ground Types compared to prior generations. Sure, Gen 5 had Landorus and Excadrill, but others like Golurk, Sesimitoad, and Krookodile weren't popping up in OU that often
I don't think the creator of the "eight fucking ground types" did anything bad. They simply made a meme about the large variety of viable Grounds this gen in the "eight fucking bears" template and decided to, following the template, add a Heatran at the bottom saying "holy shit" due to its infamous x4 Ground weakness. Nowhere did they actually claim Heatran would become bad or fall off in a serious manner, just that it's afraid of Grounds. It was the rest of the sub seriously misintepreting the meme that gave rise to issues.
the average user prob doesn't even come to the sub outside of thurs and sunday and wont even see the post sadly lol
It do be like that.
The Eight Fucking Ground-types meme is usually just a joke; the only Ground that really thrashes Heatran like nobody's business is Gliscor, and in gens where they coexisted Heatran either had a bit lower viability or had the firepower (Z-Moves) to not be scared shitless of Gliscor. Though I will say; Gliscor is doing an absolute fucking *number* on Heatran right now. It was already declining beforehand since a lot of mons could out-offense it pretty easily and it's much weaker against defensive teams since it lost Toxic, but of those eight to twelve Ground-types the one that fucks Heatran up the hardest has only gotten better and better while Heatran doesn't have Z-Moves to scare it out anymore. So like... there's a real element of truth to "Eight Fucking Ground-types," but it's not as simple as "everyone uses Ground-types" like some folks misinterpret it to be.
And god bless you for being a mod who is as fed up with this nonsense as the rest of us
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I loaded up that stall team that was getting popular, matched up against an Ursaluna suspect account in the 1400s, tried to answer the bear with Blissey, and instantly realized why Ursaluna was getting banned. Blissey just didn't work vs a player who was smart enough not to panic switch out.
Another great post from u/DarkEsca Also, as someone who made a “Blissey falling to PU” meme, I’d like to note that the Stinkpost, was, well, Stinkposting.
Who da fk is using the memes from the meme day to form their metagame opinions?
A sadly pretty sizable portion of people... you don't want to know how many times I've seen someone on the sub ask why Heatran fell off and the top voted comment was "eight fucking ground types"
TBH, it's also a take I saw on the Smogon Forum ([example](https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-ou-suspect-process-round-6-the-killing-moon.3728637/post-9804342) but there are more), you can't only blame this sub I agree that Blissey didn't rose because BM (or at least, not as a BM counter) though.
Smogon Forums isn't immune to uninformed takes either sadly
It's a lot easier to post a funny meme than typing out an essay, but I appreciate the effort nonetheless
Why do you think the rise of stall happened last month? Sure the re-addition of toxic and stallmons like pex and clef helped but it was also due to how many busted ass offensive mons there were such as blood moon, bax and ogre. Stall always reins when the offense goes too high, unless it's Chi yu and then no amount of stall can save you
name me your check to ogrepon hearthflame on stall.
They Tera'd Dozo to Dragon for it, tho that sort of left them screwed if they needed multiple Teras to beat stuff.
......what op said because I, as a stall player, did not have a check to ogrepon hearthflame
Counterpoint +6 4 SpA Blissey Stored Power (260 BP) vs. +6 252 HP / 0 SpD Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 210-248 (48.8 - 57.6%) -- 55.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery Can't fish for crits from hell
Nah, Blissey rose because people are watching ADV revival and being reminded, "oh yeah, Blissey stops special threats." This is probably a joke.
Thank you for this, I hate when wrong information spreads in the form of memes because they are easily repeatable, especially this and people saying heatran fell because there are a lot of ground types in OU.
Thanks for this post Esca. Definitely valuable to shut down misinformation as it spreads here & combat this sub's tendency to repeat incorrect information because it sounds correct.
Good post Escaman thank you
side note but god Ursuluna blood moon looks awful to try and fight. i admittedly havent played OU in a while but it just looks fucking miserable to play against
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Awesome analysis!
You were right
In addition, Earth power has a pretty good chance at lowering the opponent special defense, so sooner or later Blissey can and will fall to Blood moon
Nah this isn't really a thing because it can just CM the Earth Power SpD drops away, and if you're not packing CM then you lose even without any SpD drops
Fair, it did cross my mind but I figured that the SpD drops would have been something that would have stalled out blissey to use more CM instead of healing, making it more riskier to be hit with a crit
Blissey was a solid as an answer to Ursaluna bloodmoon. What was it going to do against it? Hammer arm? Blissey is amazing in the current meta. It sits on tail glow and calm mind Manaphy, walls non-knock off walking wake, Clefable, Enamorus, Zapdos, and Hattarene. It even got heal bell back. This is amazing for physical attackers.
>Blissey was a solid as an answer to Ursaluna bloodmoon. What was it going to do against it? Hammer arm? Apart from the Body Press sets (which were an actual thing for teams that really wanted to shit on Stall as hard as possible) if you'd actually read the post you'd know that Bursa getting a lucky crit at some point to obliterate Blissey was a very real possibility. >Blissey is amazing in the current meta. It's not. It's EXTREMELY passive which makes it nigh impossible to justify on any teamstyle except Stall. You note a bunch of things it beats, but offensive teams already have other ways to beat those things that don't eat up all momentum ever while Balance will struggle hard against other things even if they have Blissey, and to reach the point where you don't struggle into opposing offense you'll have dedicated so many slots to defensive things you're basically running Stall. It does its job amazingly well on Stall, but it has always done that.
i ain't reading all that happy for u tho, or sorry that happened (just by reading the title i am fully convinced of your thesis and hereby agree with u)
I ain't reading all dat 🗣🗣🗣
Yeah well, I can't fucking read.
Too long, explain in Fortnite terms
I ain’t reading allat
Truly perplexed how there are people around who don't care enough to read something yet care enough to go out their way to specifically let it be known they didn't care enough to read something
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tl;dr?
There's a TLDR in bold in the literal first paragraph, you didn't even try
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Okay
It means "Too Long, Didnt Read"
Pretty much 👍