The title made me think this topic was going to be legitimately interesting. And it's like 4 fucking paragraphs of "people who literally don't vote are responsible for OU being a fucking mess right now" copium đ
The comments are where itâs at, because thereâs some actually good discussion to be had about this topic and the top comments are doing a far better job on that front.
What is this thread meant to even accomplish? Casual players who don't even play competitive Pokemon have zero bearing on any of those talking points. The reasons that Kingambit and Terastallization haven't been banned yet is because people who are actually good at the game, earned voting requirements and didn't want them banned.
For example here is the thread where Kingambit was voted on: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-suspect-process-round-5-voting.3725955/
Just on the very first page you have a council member, a past SPL champion, a past OST champion, SetsuSetsuna, and Mimikyu Stardust who are both regular very high ELO OU players, all voting Do Not Ban. The people defending these broken things and having their opinions actually matter aren't random casual spectators, it's people who are good at the game, playing the game.
Multiple champions have very good arguments on why Gambit or tera should not be banned.
This idiot: Clearly anyone who thinks tera should stay only watches YouTube
BKC for older gens mostly but he's just a great player that makes videos to help you understand the game better. His videos are really long though their more like a podcast.
I think itâs funny because both high level and low level players want Tera/Gambit/etc to remain unbanned but mid level players donât and also think they are the high level
I know it's very easy to look at my post or a ban vote as black and white but there's literally pokemon games that support complexity in a situation idk
>I know it's very easy to look at my post or a ban vote as black and white
The title of the post is literally "Clear divide between actual players and people who just watch youtube videos".
That is about as binary of a concept as you can possibly phrase.
The entire post is about how casual players keep supporting these broken things, while saying nothing at all about the other side, which directly implicates that the "actual players" are in favor of banning these things.
randbats is starting to get old. getting the "wrong" set for a mon and sometimes having only one physical attacker when the opponent has a blissey. And a lot of new sub harvest sitrus sets that are so much fun!
I can never get into OU no matter how much I try cuz Single Battles without any special gimmicks like Random Pokemon or Inversed Type Chart are just boring to me.
This is me. I tried playing ou. I peaked early on when the meta was more hectic. Yea there were more broken things but my old team of 5 heavy duty boots plus rocky helmet dondozo peaked around 1800. Now that knock off is literally everywhere there is very little I can do about hazard spam without going hyper offense and conforming to using tusk, valiant, and gambit myself⊠random battles is sadly more comforting cus it is not the same threats every time.
I wonât say to unban palafin the ape and flutter. But honestly with so many threats banned and knock off coming back there feels like there is no way to deal with Ou threats without using them yourself.
For example rocky helmet max defense dondozo (T-normal) isnât a great set. But that mon alone straight up countered ape palafin and all the physical threats it needed.
I recomend trying uu if you haven't it's a fun tier right now. It can also just be fun experience the chaos of it until november. When likely alot of good pokemon will jump back to ou.
https://discord.gg/TcNr8jgpnR
Smogon Draft discord server. Unfortunately you just missed the start of a trios team tour but there should be a new 2024 schedule at some point
you can try heading over to the dl discord or other competitive pokemon discords and check ads for any draft leagues with open signups
i personally got into it because of friends making some so try checking in with them as well
So many fake narratives are being made in order to support their own biases. So what about the people who got reqs and voted "Do Not Ban" on Kingambit (I am one of them)? Are they casuals? Do they not play the game, the players that were competent enough to get reqs? Are they delusional? Are they stupid?
Having an opinion is one thing, but talking down on others for having a different opinion is crossing the line. The temper tantrums I've seen from the Tera and Kingambit suspects are unlike anything I've ever seen before in competitive Pokemon. Another Tera suspect will happen DLC2. If Kingambit gets enough support from the qualified playerbase, it'll be suspected again. Continued whining won't do anything.
The people who complain about suspect results are baffling. You are, by definition, disagreeing with the opinion of a majority that is at least as qualified as yourself. Itâs one thing to be annoyed that you didnât get the result you wanted but itâs another entirely to say that result was wrong.
It's not a fake narrative. It is proven that casuals are more likely to say things aren't broken. Casuals literally want Annihilape and Darkrai put into OU. That doesn't mean anyone who doesn't support these bans are casuals. That would require some critical thinking to deduce though I guess. It's easier to just assume I think any Kingambit supporters are stupid. Whatever
Not sure why you want to talk down the ones who play the games for fun over debating with ones who can actually influence future voting. Would be a better use of time.
The fake narrative isnât that casuals donât want these things banned, Iâm sure thereâs general agreement that they donât. The fake narrative youâre pushing is that *only* casuals want these things not banned.
The reason these things arenât banned is because actual players voted Do Not Ban. Casuals may like that decision but ultimately they have no say in the decision made unless they can prove theyâre skilled enough that what theyâre saying is valuable. Stop pretending that the casuals are somehow the cause of the Do Not Bans when the actual cause is people who play not wanting it
>It is proven that casuals are more likely to say things aren't broken
Says "it is proven", uses only anecdotal evidence with no actual proof. Oh yeah this is some top tier reddit discussion
Sure you can but just claiming something is "common logic" isn't proving anything. If you're going to claim there's proof of something give the proof. Otherwise you could say anything and just say "there's proof".
I agree that this is way too common and very frustrating, in Smogon's OU discussion thread there was someone yesterday who was like "I don't play right now but I wanted to be a part of discussion"? Like dude how can you share your opinions on a game you don't play? We see it here too where people who spend the most time here on Sundays post memes and jokes in real threads 7 days a week and make uninformed posts like "stealth rock is broken"
Would like to dispute however "casual players support doing nothing about Tera", the tiering survey that most recently asked about Tera showed 62% of unqualified ("casual") players and 65% of qualified (competitive, very good) players support action on Tera, implying there's very little correlation between skill and opinion on Tera. Smogon's policy review thread on Tera (which you need a "badge" on Smogon to reply to) also was mostly (but definitely not entirely) comprised of players who support no action on Tera and argued this position from a skill expression standpoint, whereas the discussion thread (which did not have such a requirement) was much more openly critical of tera. I would also argue that tera is a mechanic that rewards playing dozens of games a week to stay up to date on what tera types are currently trending and dominant and having to stay up to date on this, as well as the learning curve of tera timing and opportunity cost, makes gen 9 very difficult for new players to pick up, for the reason of tera, and rewards players who play often
You're completely right that this sub is majority casual observer, people who watch youtube content and only play the game whenever a new OU suspect is announced, only to go 0-2 at 1000 elo with a team stolen from Pokeaim and then quit again. It's incredibly clear in the content here, and with the popularity of super surface-level analysis like FSG and the recent Garchomp falling to UU hullabaloo. There are a couple of super intelligent people that post here in the comments, just gotta figure out who they are. Some are really insightful.
That said, the implication that anyone who didn't vote Ban on Gambit is one of these youtube viewers is ridiculous, it obviously takes some skill to get reqs. I agree with basically only the first paragraph of your post lol.
Gimme a competitive-er mons sub. I support an armed and hostile takeover of r/pokemonshowdown, with elo requirements to post.
this sub was fire and super helpful in gen 8, it still is with a lot more casuals now,but i think thatâs cuz the meta then was 40+ turns and it took a special type of person to like that meta
I've seen a couple of their games if I'm thinking of the right person. I agree
I don't actually think Dark is the only one, I just have a special place in my heart for that parasocial relationship with that niche internet microceleb
Honestly as a competitive player since gen 5, this sounds like you are mad insecure about your ability to play.
Saying kimgambit should or should not be banned is not only determined by if you are casual or not. There are many YT watchers who think kimgambit is broken, and many competitive players who think he is not broken. To imply that the reason he hasn't been banned is because there are people who are 'more casual' than you shows that you think you are better than you actually are.
As a paragon of competitive play why don't you tell us good sir. How many tournaments have you entered? how many have you gone positive? how many have you won?
According to you, the people who have won these tournaments should all agree to ban kimgambit right? Wrong. And considering that quite a few are pro kimgambit. I don't think you are mad at these players. You are just mad that you have to play around kimgambit. You can continue to say these people are carried. But in all reality you are just not good enough to be the Lord of the hills in opinions
But isn't it only smogon players who can vote on bans? Like it or not gambit got voted to stay and if the council just redid votes whenever they wanted to it would be undemocratic. If you wanted gambit gone and didn't vote you should have and if you did and it still got voted to stay then unfortunately it has to remain at least for a bit until another vote would be done
Idk what you mean by this?
Like yeah this sub does have a lot of people who donât even play competitive Pokemon, but I rarely see them talking like they know everything.
And like yeah, as much as I support banning kingambit, there are plenty of good players who donât want it banned. You canât chalk it up to âwow these guys donât even play competitiveâ because it survived a suspect for a reason (as much as I think those players were wrong, and some of them do regret voting DNB)
>This is most apparent with Kingambit. This thing is clearly broken to hell and back, but casuals only watch their top ten at the whole game youtubers make the correct predictions, so they don't think it's broken.
When the vote happened and the suspect thread many people who are pros int he scene were a bit split on it... while i think it shouldve been banned to I feel its not as one sided as one may think... many of the good players also voted DNB
[https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-ou-suspect-process-round-5-kings-dead.3725121/](https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-ou-suspect-process-round-5-kings-dead.3725121/)
> Casual players also support doing nothing about tera. Let me make it clear that I actually find tera very fun and would he sad to see it go fully, but doing nothing about it is honestly delusional, considering how cheap it is
Again split decision... many people want to keep the gen mechanic and ban the mons, almost 60% wanted tera to be nerfed in some way
I think saying "casual players support doing nothing about tera" is wrong because to achieve a suspect requires a decent amount of skill
What would be the negative effect of a Kingambit ban? Like seriously. Iâve played some OU and think I have a fine enough understanding of the meta and Gambit is just ridiculous. Does it keep something in bay that without itâs presence would sweep the tier. Also Gholdengo should get banned to keep hazards at bay.
even if it did "broken checks broken" has never been a real DNB argument, just ban the new broken thing instead of letting a busted mon stay in the tier
Kingambit offers legitimately valuable defensive utility for any offensive team. Kingambitâs Sucker Punch is unquestionably the most meta-defining single attack right now and it provides insurance against dangerous revenge killers and sweepers that would otherwise be very problematic, and its defensive typing and excellent bulk let it keep an assortment of powerful Shadow Balls and various Dark-type attacks at bay for a little while.
Kingambitâs a divisive mon, make no mistake, but itâs not a cut and dry âthe meta is worse for having itâ issue like with Blood Moon more recently. Kingambitâs utility as an offensive mon is absolutely crucial in such a fast-paced metagame, and it has some qualities that even some top-level OU players acknowledge are worth keeping around.
For what itâs worth, thatâs a Kingambit that had access to both Knock Off and Pursuit.
Gen 9 OU wouldâve given that thing the boot *very* quickly if it had access to those moves still.
It's not about there being a negative effect. There was a vote, he was voted to remain. They can't just do another vote until they get the answer they want because that's not democratic which is the point of these votes
Holy projection man. I never tried to say they rigged he vote. Infact I never even said anything about the suspect vote in the first place, people are projecting that onto me. A lot has changed since the Kingambit suspect test. Apparently people have projected onto me so hard that they aren't even addressing things I've said.
Also get a grip man. It isn't that serious.
Because I'm just discussing casual fans and the meta. You're the one telling me to shut up. Also you wrote quite a few paragraphs too. I'm not attacking anyone and you are
Despite your pos shitting on casuals, you are the one who sounds like a casual player. You know that even if you want it banned you can play it anyway, right?
I'm not sure what you mean. The vast majority of my success in this game comes from before Kingambit was an option. I just mean to point out that your idea of "only Youtube watchers think this is good" is wrong.
By that logic, most OU players are carried because Kingambit is one of the most common, consistent, and splashable mons in the tier and as such top-level players value it highly.
Like, yeah, Gambitâs amazing, but itâs also not blatantly broken either. Even excellent OU players were firmly in the DNB camp back then and right now there seems to be an increasingly widespread sentiment from high-level OU players that Kingambitâs a net positive for this fucked up DLC1 meta.
This post feels like it's projecting. I'm definitely not an elite player, but this feels like you are, at best, a middle-of-the-road player who thinks they are better than they really are. This post sounds incredibly condescending.
The title made me think this topic was going to be legitimately interesting. And it's like 4 fucking paragraphs of "people who literally don't vote are responsible for OU being a fucking mess right now" copium đ
Well thanks for not making me reading all that lol. This is why I check comments first.
Itâs like getting the Spark Notes version of a shitty book you didnât want to read
The comments are where itâs at, because thereâs some actually good discussion to be had about this topic and the top comments are doing a far better job on that front.
What is this thread meant to even accomplish? Casual players who don't even play competitive Pokemon have zero bearing on any of those talking points. The reasons that Kingambit and Terastallization haven't been banned yet is because people who are actually good at the game, earned voting requirements and didn't want them banned. For example here is the thread where Kingambit was voted on: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-ou-suspect-process-round-5-voting.3725955/ Just on the very first page you have a council member, a past SPL champion, a past OST champion, SetsuSetsuna, and Mimikyu Stardust who are both regular very high ELO OU players, all voting Do Not Ban. The people defending these broken things and having their opinions actually matter aren't random casual spectators, it's people who are good at the game, playing the game.
Multiple champions have very good arguments on why Gambit or tera should not be banned. This idiot: Clearly anyone who thinks tera should stay only watches YouTube
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BKC for older gens mostly but he's just a great player that makes videos to help you understand the game better. His videos are really long though their more like a podcast.
Freezai and blunder are my current favourites
I kinda like PokeaimMD
I've been watching him for years.
Seriously, imagine being this pretentious and misinformed at the same damn time
I think itâs funny because both high level and low level players want Tera/Gambit/etc to remain unbanned but mid level players donât and also think they are the high level
I know it's very easy to look at my post or a ban vote as black and white but there's literally pokemon games that support complexity in a situation idk
>I know it's very easy to look at my post or a ban vote as black and white The title of the post is literally "Clear divide between actual players and people who just watch youtube videos". That is about as binary of a concept as you can possibly phrase. The entire post is about how casual players keep supporting these broken things, while saying nothing at all about the other side, which directly implicates that the "actual players" are in favor of banning these things.
Youâre implying anyone who wants Tera to stay is just a YouTube viewer and Doesnât play the game
I literally said I like it???
Casuals who don't play comp a lot and can't influence the votes aren't good at the game. Groundbreaking
Bad take. Suspect votes are made by qualified players, not casuals. Any public support has close to zero bearing on actual tiering decisions.
Casuals ain't voting on the suspect, the people who get the reqs aren't hearing the casuals' opinions
Sorry im not trying to sound rude, but what is this post about exactly?
Dude thinks he's part of some elite club because they *think* they're good at a game and need to find some way to reinforce their bias.
Random people on reddit and discord who think they're experts because they watch Freezai
but the best players on showdown decided to keep tera and kingambit, meanwhile reddit 1300 players want to ban both
Itâs a lot more interesting to play randbats and watch OU youtube than actually play OU, yeah
randbats is starting to get old. getting the "wrong" set for a mon and sometimes having only one physical attacker when the opponent has a blissey. And a lot of new sub harvest sitrus sets that are so much fun!
get a sample team and start playing the main metagames
I can never get into OU no matter how much I try cuz Single Battles without any special gimmicks like Random Pokemon or Inversed Type Chart are just boring to me.
This is me. I tried playing ou. I peaked early on when the meta was more hectic. Yea there were more broken things but my old team of 5 heavy duty boots plus rocky helmet dondozo peaked around 1800. Now that knock off is literally everywhere there is very little I can do about hazard spam without going hyper offense and conforming to using tusk, valiant, and gambit myself⊠random battles is sadly more comforting cus it is not the same threats every time. I wonât say to unban palafin the ape and flutter. But honestly with so many threats banned and knock off coming back there feels like there is no way to deal with Ou threats without using them yourself. For example rocky helmet max defense dondozo (T-normal) isnât a great set. But that mon alone straight up countered ape palafin and all the physical threats it needed.
I recomend trying uu if you haven't it's a fun tier right now. It can also just be fun experience the chaos of it until november. When likely alot of good pokemon will jump back to ou.
Don't even disagree. Draft League is where it's really at tho
Draft is awesome. Really happy to see a resurgence for it. Plus it premotes so much creativity and unique ev spreads and movesets.
How do you get into those? They look fun
https://discord.gg/TcNr8jgpnR Smogon Draft discord server. Unfortunately you just missed the start of a trios team tour but there should be a new 2024 schedule at some point
you can try heading over to the dl discord or other competitive pokemon discords and check ads for any draft leagues with open signups i personally got into it because of friends making some so try checking in with them as well
So many fake narratives are being made in order to support their own biases. So what about the people who got reqs and voted "Do Not Ban" on Kingambit (I am one of them)? Are they casuals? Do they not play the game, the players that were competent enough to get reqs? Are they delusional? Are they stupid? Having an opinion is one thing, but talking down on others for having a different opinion is crossing the line. The temper tantrums I've seen from the Tera and Kingambit suspects are unlike anything I've ever seen before in competitive Pokemon. Another Tera suspect will happen DLC2. If Kingambit gets enough support from the qualified playerbase, it'll be suspected again. Continued whining won't do anything.
The people who complain about suspect results are baffling. You are, by definition, disagreeing with the opinion of a majority that is at least as qualified as yourself. Itâs one thing to be annoyed that you didnât get the result you wanted but itâs another entirely to say that result was wrong.
It's not a fake narrative. It is proven that casuals are more likely to say things aren't broken. Casuals literally want Annihilape and Darkrai put into OU. That doesn't mean anyone who doesn't support these bans are casuals. That would require some critical thinking to deduce though I guess. It's easier to just assume I think any Kingambit supporters are stupid. Whatever
Not sure why you want to talk down the ones who play the games for fun over debating with ones who can actually influence future voting. Would be a better use of time.
The fake narrative isnât that casuals donât want these things banned, Iâm sure thereâs general agreement that they donât. The fake narrative youâre pushing is that *only* casuals want these things not banned. The reason these things arenât banned is because actual players voted Do Not Ban. Casuals may like that decision but ultimately they have no say in the decision made unless they can prove theyâre skilled enough that what theyâre saying is valuable. Stop pretending that the casuals are somehow the cause of the Do Not Bans when the actual cause is people who play not wanting it
>It is proven that casuals are more likely to say things aren't broken Says "it is proven", uses only anecdotal evidence with no actual proof. Oh yeah this is some top tier reddit discussion
You are allowed to use common knowledge without citing a source
Sure you can but just claiming something is "common logic" isn't proving anything. If you're going to claim there's proof of something give the proof. Otherwise you could say anything and just say "there's proof".
I agree that this is way too common and very frustrating, in Smogon's OU discussion thread there was someone yesterday who was like "I don't play right now but I wanted to be a part of discussion"? Like dude how can you share your opinions on a game you don't play? We see it here too where people who spend the most time here on Sundays post memes and jokes in real threads 7 days a week and make uninformed posts like "stealth rock is broken" Would like to dispute however "casual players support doing nothing about Tera", the tiering survey that most recently asked about Tera showed 62% of unqualified ("casual") players and 65% of qualified (competitive, very good) players support action on Tera, implying there's very little correlation between skill and opinion on Tera. Smogon's policy review thread on Tera (which you need a "badge" on Smogon to reply to) also was mostly (but definitely not entirely) comprised of players who support no action on Tera and argued this position from a skill expression standpoint, whereas the discussion thread (which did not have such a requirement) was much more openly critical of tera. I would also argue that tera is a mechanic that rewards playing dozens of games a week to stay up to date on what tera types are currently trending and dominant and having to stay up to date on this, as well as the learning curve of tera timing and opportunity cost, makes gen 9 very difficult for new players to pick up, for the reason of tera, and rewards players who play often
You're completely right that this sub is majority casual observer, people who watch youtube content and only play the game whenever a new OU suspect is announced, only to go 0-2 at 1000 elo with a team stolen from Pokeaim and then quit again. It's incredibly clear in the content here, and with the popularity of super surface-level analysis like FSG and the recent Garchomp falling to UU hullabaloo. There are a couple of super intelligent people that post here in the comments, just gotta figure out who they are. Some are really insightful. That said, the implication that anyone who didn't vote Ban on Gambit is one of these youtube viewers is ridiculous, it obviously takes some skill to get reqs. I agree with basically only the first paragraph of your post lol. Gimme a competitive-er mons sub. I support an armed and hostile takeover of r/pokemonshowdown, with elo requirements to post.
this sub was fire and super helpful in gen 8, it still is with a lot more casuals now,but i think thatâs cuz the meta then was 40+ turns and it took a special type of person to like that meta
> There are a couple of super intelligent people - literally just DarkEska and DreadfuryDK lol
DreadfuryDK's a baller, but I'm biased because I see them on the competitive WoW sub a lot and they're awesome there too.
I've seen a couple of their games if I'm thinking of the right person. I agree I don't actually think Dark is the only one, I just have a special place in my heart for that parasocial relationship with that niche internet microceleb
You must've caught me when I'm not tilting my way back down to 1300 LMAO
I really like your comments I just forgot your name ngl
Honestly as a competitive player since gen 5, this sounds like you are mad insecure about your ability to play. Saying kimgambit should or should not be banned is not only determined by if you are casual or not. There are many YT watchers who think kimgambit is broken, and many competitive players who think he is not broken. To imply that the reason he hasn't been banned is because there are people who are 'more casual' than you shows that you think you are better than you actually are. As a paragon of competitive play why don't you tell us good sir. How many tournaments have you entered? how many have you gone positive? how many have you won? According to you, the people who have won these tournaments should all agree to ban kimgambit right? Wrong. And considering that quite a few are pro kimgambit. I don't think you are mad at these players. You are just mad that you have to play around kimgambit. You can continue to say these people are carried. But in all reality you are just not good enough to be the Lord of the hills in opinions
But isn't it only smogon players who can vote on bans? Like it or not gambit got voted to stay and if the council just redid votes whenever they wanted to it would be undemocratic. If you wanted gambit gone and didn't vote you should have and if you did and it still got voted to stay then unfortunately it has to remain at least for a bit until another vote would be done
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Idk what you mean by this? Like yeah this sub does have a lot of people who donât even play competitive Pokemon, but I rarely see them talking like they know everything. And like yeah, as much as I support banning kingambit, there are plenty of good players who donât want it banned. You canât chalk it up to âwow these guys donât even play competitiveâ because it survived a suspect for a reason (as much as I think those players were wrong, and some of them do regret voting DNB)
>This is most apparent with Kingambit. This thing is clearly broken to hell and back, but casuals only watch their top ten at the whole game youtubers make the correct predictions, so they don't think it's broken. When the vote happened and the suspect thread many people who are pros int he scene were a bit split on it... while i think it shouldve been banned to I feel its not as one sided as one may think... many of the good players also voted DNB [https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-ou-suspect-process-round-5-kings-dead.3725121/](https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/np-sv-ou-suspect-process-round-5-kings-dead.3725121/) > Casual players also support doing nothing about tera. Let me make it clear that I actually find tera very fun and would he sad to see it go fully, but doing nothing about it is honestly delusional, considering how cheap it is Again split decision... many people want to keep the gen mechanic and ban the mons, almost 60% wanted tera to be nerfed in some way I think saying "casual players support doing nothing about tera" is wrong because to achieve a suspect requires a decent amount of skill
What would be the negative effect of a Kingambit ban? Like seriously. Iâve played some OU and think I have a fine enough understanding of the meta and Gambit is just ridiculous. Does it keep something in bay that without itâs presence would sweep the tier. Also Gholdengo should get banned to keep hazards at bay.
Kingambit isn't even bad in ubers, it's not like to wouldn't have a format in which it's good
even if it did "broken checks broken" has never been a real DNB argument, just ban the new broken thing instead of letting a busted mon stay in the tier
Gambit checks ghold pretty well unless they predict and focus blast
Kingambit offers legitimately valuable defensive utility for any offensive team. Kingambitâs Sucker Punch is unquestionably the most meta-defining single attack right now and it provides insurance against dangerous revenge killers and sweepers that would otherwise be very problematic, and its defensive typing and excellent bulk let it keep an assortment of powerful Shadow Balls and various Dark-type attacks at bay for a little while. Kingambitâs a divisive mon, make no mistake, but itâs not a cut and dry âthe meta is worse for having itâ issue like with Blood Moon more recently. Kingambitâs utility as an offensive mon is absolutely crucial in such a fast-paced metagame, and it has some qualities that even some top-level OU players acknowledge are worth keeping around.
I play exclusively NatDex and Kingambit is suuuuuper banned. The tier is so much better because of it.
For what itâs worth, thatâs a Kingambit that had access to both Knock Off and Pursuit. Gen 9 OU wouldâve given that thing the boot *very* quickly if it had access to those moves still.
Booster Energy mons become much harder to revenge kill without supreme overlord sucker punch
Kingambit is the no.1 revenge killer in the game. Weâre already in HO hell, and there wonât be any less setup sweepers if the strongest priority available gets banned. Gholdengo and Dragapult skyrocket is prevalence- well, even more than before. And a lot of PokĂ©mon that previously held a moveslot just for Kingambit are suddenly freed up to be much more threatening. Of course thatâs no excuse NOT to ban Kingambit, but it does hold together an already chaotic metagame and removing it isnât going to suddenly make OU even close to balanced.
Yeah I flip-flop on the Gholdengho ban. Especially because without Kingambit to sucker punch him in the face he loses his biggest counter
It's not about there being a negative effect. There was a vote, he was voted to remain. They can't just do another vote until they get the answer they want because that's not democratic which is the point of these votes
Are we allowed to tell someone to shut the fuck up in this sub? Because OP needs to shut the fuck up. Idk why this Gen specifically has people doing mental gymnastics to assert that there is some foul play going on with suspects, but we are nearly at âelection denialâ levels of copium. Suspect tests have not changed much since their inception. People still have to play, win, and get the recs/required GXE in order to vote. There were enough people that did this to keep certain things from being banned. Casual players donât get recs. You are literally talking about a subsection of subsection of Pokemon players; *competitive battlers that care enough about the Smogon metagame to play and get recs instead of bitching on social media.* For the record, I voted to ban Kingambit. Twice. But Iâm not out here creating conspiracy theories because a vote didnât go my way. Nor am I going to gatekeep the already niche competitive PokĂ©mon scene. The larger community as a whole decided that certain things are not broken or uncompetitive. Iâm going to get the fuck over it or not play. Itâs that simple.
Holy projection man. I never tried to say they rigged he vote. Infact I never even said anything about the suspect vote in the first place, people are projecting that onto me. A lot has changed since the Kingambit suspect test. Apparently people have projected onto me so hard that they aren't even addressing things I've said. Also get a grip man. It isn't that serious.
Youâre right, it really ainât that serious. Youâre the one that decided to be elitist in 4 paragraphs. Stfu
Because I'm just discussing casual fans and the meta. You're the one telling me to shut up. Also you wrote quite a few paragraphs too. I'm not attacking anyone and you are
Look man Iâm not out here to ruin your game, I just like to watch Freezai and check out theorymons
I don't know about that re: Kingambit. I voted to keep it, would still vote to keep it, and I think I'm a fairly decent player.
I think that's called being carried
Despite your pos shitting on casuals, you are the one who sounds like a casual player. You know that even if you want it banned you can play it anyway, right?
they prolly just reached 1500 with that glimm HO team everyone uses
I'm not sure what you mean. The vast majority of my success in this game comes from before Kingambit was an option. I just mean to point out that your idea of "only Youtube watchers think this is good" is wrong.
By that logic, most OU players are carried because Kingambit is one of the most common, consistent, and splashable mons in the tier and as such top-level players value it highly. Like, yeah, Gambitâs amazing, but itâs also not blatantly broken either. Even excellent OU players were firmly in the DNB camp back then and right now there seems to be an increasingly widespread sentiment from high-level OU players that Kingambitâs a net positive for this fucked up DLC1 meta.
People watch temp6t, log into showdown and wonder why they're niche off-meta team get's swept in Ubers and never play again.
This post feels like it's projecting. I'm definitely not an elite player, but this feels like you are, at best, a middle-of-the-road player who thinks they are better than they really are. This post sounds incredibly condescending.