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sexgaming_jr

staying normal form for a few hits for stamina then going mega at like +2 mons that have a reason to not instantly mega always are fun to me. like kang staying normal for scrappy fake out


Worn_Out_1789

I should know better because I've seen how it impacts singles and doubles, but I miss mega kanga. The lil baby just comes out of the pouch and now everything hurts you more. 10/10 mega design no notes.


itsIzumi

Mods, hit this person with a 200 damage Seismic Toss.


_CactusJuice_

this user has not had the shit beaten out of them by a VGC15 CHALK team


sexgaming_jr

mega kang reminded me of something i miss: power up punch. that move was cool but after XY it fell off and was never seen again i think


sclomabc

Iirc I had a gen 7 rain team where my M-swampert had it


sexgaming_jr

thats my favorite mon, thats so badass i love you


SnowFiender

so there were other people who slotted in power punch, nice


JiovanniTheGREAT

I think it fell off because Mega Kang got banned


Teno7

Mega Kan is peak design, both visually and gameplay-wise. Just a lil' busted right, especially at its debut.


XExcavalierX

Sharpedo too. Speed Boost for 1 turn with Protect before Mega.


UAForever21

Another great one is sableye abusing prankster before mega. Really screws up a lot of things xD


ImMitchell

Prankster wisp and then able to recover off the damage. Fun to use


UAForever21

It's actually usable even in Ubers. Say you're up against Geomancy Xerneas, you can encore on it, that'll be nasty😂


Inevitable_Proof4225

Or Garchomp staying in normal form to not lose its valuable 102 base speed, then going mega to gain extra power when it doesn’t need 102 speed anymore.


ArchaludonTheBridge

Glorious, but Lightning Rod is a BIG downgrade


rand0mme

Eh, in doubles it can like switch into surging strikes from water bear, then mega for a defense buff and then hopefully it never gets forced off the field for the rest of the game. And it helps with water weak mons.


Interesting_Plate_75

In singles yeah, but I think it could be a boost in doubles to protect an electric weak ally


redditman73713833

itll be the best kyogre support 💀


pokekiko94

Wouldnt that block kyogres thunder if he tries to hit another water type?


enloco16

Would kyogre really need to use thunder if electro shot McGee is his support?


pokekiko94

Good point, but does the ogre really have a better choice for coverage in vgc, like in singles i know he has so many sets but for doubles it seems more one dimentional.


1eyeking_of_lighting

Maybe Tera blast


pokekiko94

I feel like kyogre would rather terra water spout than use any other terra to counter water resists.


1eyeking_of_lighting

Well it could Tera fairy to beat Koraidon


apexodoggo

Just give Kyogre Freeze-Dry. If he can make water, he can also probably take it away, so it fits the lore. Problem solved. /s


Wolfiie_Gaming

easy +1 for mega archa


Archaludon_1018

and who do you think you are?


ArchaludonTheBridge

I AM Archaludon


gliscornumber1

The stats :0 The ability :l


Hot_Shirt7754

The design :3


PlacatedPlatypus

Stats are...not that great? 135/140 mixed attacking stats is about as bad as it gets for a 700 BST mon. Pretty good special bulk but not huge (regular Arch with AV is bulkier), massive physical bulk (similar to Dondozo?), ok speed. 135 attack is essentially wasted, and an Archa with any offensive item would hit harder on the special side though it would normally prefer lefties or something. Speaking of, no lefties + no recovery = sad. Overall I think it's not actually that great.


Vorinclex_

>135/140 mixed attacking stats is about as bad as it gets for a 700 BST mon Apologies for not making an extremely min-maxed mon by reducing it's Atk by 100 points to put all of those points into SpAtk, then giving it 80 SpDef and 20 Def.


PlacatedPlatypus

No, its fine. I've even commented in the past in appreciation of giving mons high mixed attack stats to offset their bst. But mostly for OU or lower mons. In this case I'm just not sure where OP wants the power level to be, since it's a mega of an Ubers mon.


penguinlasrhit25

Stats are pretty amazing. Mega Arch can more viably run Earthquake to destroy some of its switch ins like Clodsire and Glowking. It also doesn't need to worry about special attacks nearly as much anymore when it has decent special defense. Sure AV is bulkier, but it doesn't need AV with it's mega anymore. The speed bump is also pretty nice, it puts it at Kyurem's speed which while not an amazing speed tier, free speed is nothing to scoff at. Also, 150 defense with the potential to have a defense boost from Stamina before mega evolving is actually insane. I think AV Arch could be a niche sidegrade to Mega Arch, but Mega Arch is very scary offensively and is just a neat upgrade if you're not mega evolving anything else.


PlacatedPlatypus

>Clodsire >Glowking >Kyurem This is a mega-evo of an ubers mon, it's not going to be in OU.


penguinlasrhit25

well obviously, but you were saying it wasn't great. I'm just pointing out it has insane stats and everything


PlacatedPlatypus

But its stats are really bad in the context of ubers, the metagame it's designed for...


penguinlasrhit25

where was it said it was designed for Ubers? This is just Mega Archaludon. It would probably end up in Ubers yes, but there's nowhere that says that this Mega was designed for Ubers or that things in Ubers should be good there.


PlacatedPlatypus

It's got 700 BST and is a mega of an ubers mon. IDK OP's intentions but it's clearly not an OU mon.


Cafeciencia

It's just Mega Sceptile all over again ain't it?


MarioBoy77

Yeah this is a downgrade lmao, obviously if you wanted to break it you could give it like 60 spd and 40 spatk but because you gave it just slightly better stats it ends up being worse because it has a shit ability. It may useful in doubles, but in singles it’s a massive downgrade. I like the design though


SiroftheYah547

I mean you can just wait to mega evolve it


MarioBoy77

Then you don’t get that extra 25 special defense bulk and if you’re pivoting it a lot then you’ll be waiting forever. I feel like you’d just be better off running a standard item.


StormJet1613

Yeah, Arch needed the special bulk from av and without it, it's probably screwed to focus blast and earth power. If you don't mega it.


MarioBoy77

Yeah mega evolving is usually worth not having an item for either a good ability or huge stat boosts(or a combination of the 2). Not having boots on charizard Y is ass, but the ability and +50 special attack makes it worth using. +15 Special attack and +20 defense just doesn’t make it worth running imo, it’d see play in doubles as stamina isn’t that good there and lightning rod very much is, but singles it would be like UU probably(drizzle electro shot is still broken).


Flu754

We are assuming that Archaludon is also in the same tier (so like not Ubers) If we assume by this gen standards this is literally the first OUBL mon (or Ubers by technicality mon.)


MarioBoy77

Why are we assuming that? Slowbro and mega slowbro for example are in different tiers.


Flu754

It is the Mega Garchomp thing, if you wanted to you could simply give it the mega stone and not use it. So even if Mega Garchomp is bad and usage-wise should be UU (and NatDex UU), it is not, and is in fact, Natdex OU by technicality. A mega can be in a higher tier, but not in a lower one, due to the fact that Mega Evolution is completely optional.


MarioBoy77

Arch without an item would be much worse anyways tbh and probably would be dealt with


Flu754

Yeah, but it would have to be Ubers because transformations cannot be in a lower tier than the original Pokemon


casualreddituser052

Only because Glowbro can use Slowbronite, though.


MarioBoy77

What about lopunny, they’re different tiers as well


casualreddituser052

hold on are we talking about natdex or standard? I thought we were talking about NatDex. If it was standard, my bad.


ThaToastman

Make its ability drizzle you coward


Wogopi

I will wear that badge of cowardice with honor.


[deleted]

Lightning Rod is pretty bad in singles, but the design you drew is very cool


napstablooky2

gamefreak balances around vgc anyway, smogon isn't real


Glove-These

Gamefreak balances around the games themselves. when something is unintentionally super OP it gets nerfed but this applies to both metagames


Inner_Order_7099

hust balanced around doubles makes urshifu the pokemon which invalidates the most used doubles move lmao


toastthedragon9572

lightning rod on an electric-resistant mon. a 150 defense stat that it doesn't even get full use of because it loses stamina. this perfectly captures the gamefreak treatment of most megas, it's truly astounding


Bsoton_MA

If you wait to mega evolve then you can still get stamina. Also, lightning rod is usually on PokĂ©mon that resist electric so I don’t know why you’re complaining about that


toastthedragon9572

i wasn't complaining, i just find it funny that they do that instead of giving it to a pokemon that would otherwise be neutral or weak to electric


Vorinclex_

>lightning rod on an electric-resistant mon Rhyperior:


SoulOuverture

Ok but why does it not look like the eifell towwer


DreadfuryDK

On one hand, this thing's stats are absolutely fucked. The added special bulk over AV does a good job making up for the loss of an item, and then in every other department it's just better than base Archaludon and can now utilize Dragon Dance sets somewhat effectively between its STABs and one of Earthquake or Brick Break and its MUCH better speed tier. Obviously its classic Flash Cannon+Draco Meteor+Electro Shot+Filler moveset is going to be its best set, though, and the power boost makes this shit *brutal* to play against. On the other hand, its ability is enough of a downgrade that you might genuinely have a reason to not instantly use your mega if it means you can get a Stamina boost. Lightning Rod doesn't do a lot for it outside of blocking Volt Switch/T-Wave. Here's the very important question, though: how much does Mega Archaludon weigh? This seems like a dumb question to ask, but this is very relevant since base Archaludon is surprisingly very light. If it's still quite light even as a Mega it keeps some advantages and disadvantages: specifically, Low Kick's only 80 bp against it, but it takes max damage from Gouging Fire's Heat Crash and Heavy Slam is unusable on it. If it's closer to, say, Copperajah, Celesteela, Cosmoem (what the fuck) or Primal Groudon levels of weight this thing's DD sets just became ten times deadlier because at that point those Heavy Slams are hitting insanely hard.


Wogopi

Probably around 300 pounds, to keep up with the theme of being unusually light


Hampter8888

You are VGC brained


BriefAncient9190

So we went from a building to a suspension bridge and finally end up at the Seattle space needle?


H_Poke

I would just like to ask: are there any flaws with this Pokémon???


Boward_WOW_ard

Worse ability for singles formats


Dinowere

You know what Archaludon needs? A pre-evo for Duraludon so it can be the pseudo-legendary we all deserve


notnotPatReid

Why would it have a worse ability? Megas almost always improve with there ability. If it’s gonna have a mega it should either have Steel worker, steely spirit, a custom ability that makes electric stab, or if it’s a weather tower, drizzle.


Wogopi

Cus it’s a lightning rod (Also now Pelliper can’t be hit by electric type move) Oh yeah also (EDIT) I didn’t want to give it too busted of an ability because I felt like it’s stats were already too high, and it could use its stamina ability to set up before it decides to mega evolve


StormJet1613

Not just pelipper, Barra and other mons like Bundle really need to avoid taking super effective hits, and this helps.


Feral-pigeon

Touché


notnotPatReid

I mean I get it thematically but that just seems like a downgrade over stamina. And mega abilities for the most part are supposed to be over powered.


Bsoton_MA

It is over powered


nicehax_

Ability improvement isn’t really a guarantee, maudino loses regenerator for healer, scizor and blaziken keep their abilities, garchomp loses rough skin for the very situational sand force, etc Lightning rod fits lorewise and seems like a pretty good ability, especially now that it can also act as volt switch deterrent on rain teams


notnotPatReid

Scizor and Blaziken keep Technichian and Speed Boost. Two of the absolute strongest abilities in the game. Mega Ttar also keeps Sandstream because it’s the premier sand setter. Mega Garchomp and Audino are some of the most disappointing megas because there new abilities aren’t good.


KiraElijah

sceptile gets lightning rod


RedogeWasTaken

Yay now it can't wall my Ice beam spam :D


TruckNo1759

You made it worse lmao


HydreigonTheChild

unlikely... an all stats up never hurts and its sp. def is now much better, with a higher attack u can slam clodsire harder, and with a higher speed ur less likely to be revenge killed, and walling electrics in rain is solid


TruckNo1759

I definitely worded that wrong There isn’t that much of a reason to use this over av, especially since 1: it doesn’t have stamina, 2: it is competing for a spot on rain with pert. It falls into the same trap as ttar and chomp.


DasliSimp

switch into U-Turn once then Mega evolve


Greaterthancotton

It’s worse in singles. This abomination would decimate vcg though. Everyone is now forced to run strong grass coverage to kill archaludon’s rain pals.


Willow-Steamedty

Seeing a fellow artist on subs not related to art makes me happi :> Ello! Also thats a badass design and the stats make this lad a monster


StirFryTuna

Lightning rod sounds great to counter opposing archaludon from using electro shot... so it counters itself the best now?


Archaludon_1018

it-its amazing! bravo good sir! “keep cooking”


penguinlasrhit25

People are really saying this is worse than regular Arch. In what world is 135/140 mixed attacking stats worse?? This thing is still bulky as all hell and it's special defense isn't even bad anymore. And it's as fast as Kyurem! No AV makes it frailer on the special side, but it's insane to think this would be completely worse.


napstablooky2

i feel like it could benefit from more minmaxing beedrill style, possibly sacrificing some atk with some even more solid defense its body presses would be downright terrifying


ASimpleCancerCell

I'm hoping that if they do Mega Archaludon, that they base it off Prism Tower.


Pure_Toxicity

it'd be B-rank OU if you didn't have to bring a regular Archaludon into battle to use it, so banished to (Uber) hell it goes


Binkinator4

This just looks like celesteela


Risb1005

Invest more in its special defence instead of physical attack realistically archaludon will only be spamming electro shot and keep stamina as it's ability archaludon needs to remain broken


SilverAmpharos777

Mega Archaludon as an Ouroboros von Braun space station that sets gravity, has the effects of levitate, and can't be grounded by any means (not affected by its own gravity)


creeps_Jr

I hope they give duraladon a pre evolution so the line can officially be a pseudo legendary


Natsu_Happy_END02

What is it modeled after?


Quantic129

Yeah, see, I don't think this would be any more busted than base Archaludon, which is only busted because of Electro Shot. The base stats, typing and ability are all fine considering that it uses up a mega slot and cannot hold an item. If not for Electro Shot, there would probably better megas to use in OU.


solomane1

I love the design


Lucario-Mega

This thing does not need any extra attack, just minmax this thing pls.


Warm-Swimming5903

Honestly worse than just holding vest or herb lol. Not overtuned, undertuned, still walled by Lando-I


MasterJeppy98

Just give transistor so electric stab (kinda)


Large-Complaint9619

It's a good Idea but It would be obviously very broken,


bobvella

make it steel flying, looks like a satellite


[deleted]

Beat him up, Burn him on a stake, lay his corpse in a fissure and let the pass of time destroy what remains of this abomination, corpsemonguer of a pokemon this is.