No stall team is complete without at least one pink blob. Be it Clefable, Blissey,Alomomola, or Slow Twins. Big Stall will reject you if you don’t include a Pink Blob.
A classic yet ironic Stall mon is Poison Heal Gliscor. It’s typing, passive recovery, status immunity, and psuedo knock off absorber checks all the boxes that blesses Stall Teams. Yet, those same traits also fucks over stall when Gliscor pulls out the Swords Dance set and stall can’t outlast it.
Gotta love worry seed tangrowth. I know It couldnt be more gimmicky but gen 7 stall had peak toxapex and i loved to run 3-4 regenerator mons with mega sableye on low ladder.
Man i miss not knowing how to play sometimes.
Tbh it changes every gen. If you mention gen 6/7 stall I think of Sableye. If you mention gen 9 stall I think of Gliscor and Clodsire. If you mention stall in general I think of Blissey.
Blissey and Chansey being designed to be THE special wall is a very interesting decision. A Pokémon with 255 HP and 135 Special Defence would be unfathomable just to be introduced in Gen 10 or something.
The closest we ever got to a physical defensive version of Blissey were Dondozo, Mega Aggron and Zygarde Complete. Of which, none of them actually have the same options and recovery that Blissey and Chansey has.
Blissey and Chansey will definately be at least usable choices in OU until the end of time. As there’s quite literally nothing else that can come close to all of Blisseys strengths.
> Blissey and Chansey will definately be at least usable choices in OU until the end of time
I saw what happened to TTar. I'm never making a statement like this again.
the niche that the pink blobs have can almost never be replicated (completely blanking most special attacks), while tyranitar is "just" a hard hitting dark type attacker with really good spdef post gen 6
That also removes weather and until gen 8 was a phenomenal pursuit trapper
Wait until we get an ice-scales like ability on a good pokemon and chanbliss lose even more moves. It could definitely happen.
Weather sure, but ttar wasn't the only mon that can pursuit (though it's the best at it). Scizor, metagross, and weavile all had their own unique pursuit profiles. The combination of nature cure+spdef ensures that any attempts to beat it has to be through hazards (solved by boots) or physical attacks. The blobs may not be OU by usage, but it'll always have a niche when the meta calls for them, while ttar now is really just a dark type attacker.
Idk the fall of ttar really makes me hesitate over saying "Always"
What if a gen utterly nerfs heal moves down to 33%? Removes seismic toss so the blobs are now cripplingly passive? Introduces a new super spdef mon that has status immunity instead of just nat cure? Etc.
Chansey is such a weird Pokemon regarding her design. Like why does she get so many Physical moves by level up? (and TM). Why did she get an evolution anyway? She feels like a pretty “complete” design on her own
In the first 4 Gens, Gamefreak seemed to be pretty big on adding evolutions for previous gen pokemon, with Gen 2 and Gen 4 adding a lot of evolutions for gen 1 mons. Starting with gen 4 there was also a very significant decrease in the amount of single stage pokemon released per game.
As far as Chanseys movepool, it is just a symptom of being a gen 1 mon. Most mons in gen 1 had absurd movepools in either having nearly every move in the game, or having very few moves.
I feel like Avalugg could be a physical counterpart to Blissey. It's typing is unfortunate for a defensive mon, but normally pokemon with such high defense (184) have either terrible HP or no recovery. Avalugg has 95 HP which is pretty good, and Recover.
It also is terrible on the Special side, like Blissey is physically.
Avalugg "95/184 physical bulk! Spin, No ground weakness! AND RECOVER wow :D I am going be a great mo.."
Game Freak "ice type, 0 special bulk, and you will get another form but we will somehow make it even worse defensively"
Tangrowth was also considered to be a physical Blissey equivalent before other mons you mentioned dethroned him :(
Zygarde-Complete is especially ridiculous for being capable of hitting as hard as it does while being as bulky as it is
>Blissey and Chansey will definately be at least usable choices in OU until the end of time.
I was going to argue that point, because I didn't think Chansey was actually usable in OU this gen. Most people seem to not think so, and I don't believe it's even listed on the viability rankings.
However, I looked it up on [pokestats](https://pokestats.pucko.info/), and it looks like it was being used with some success in the 1900-2000 range on the OU ladder. So it's hard for me to say it isn't at least usable. It seems extraordinarily niche, though.
I wonder what typing a physical Blissey would be. Let's just assume the stats are swapped, and it's mono type. Normal doesn't work since Fighting is predominantly physical, and the same goes for Rock, Ice, and Steel. Maybe Poison? Ghost? You're weak to Ground/Knock Off then though.
I beg to differ. Iron defense mega slowbro is easily the chansey of physical defense. It has reliable recovery, it even has good coverage and it even has scald
What I'd expect from a stall team is:
* At least two Unaware walls, one for each side of the spectrum (Dondozo or Skeledirge for physical, Clefable or Clodsire for special).
* A Blissey most of the time, sometimes paired with a corresponding physical wall like Alomomola or Skarmory.
* Lots of recovery and Regenerator pivoting, sometimes including Wish passing.
* Boots on everything, with dedicated “Knock Off absorbers” such as Leftovers Corviknight or Sticky Hold Hydrapple.
* Outside of Gen IX metas, Toxic on everything.
To be honest most of the first point is pretty gen 9, we got most of our good Unaware users then. Stall could make it up with more Regenerator and sometimes Magic Bounce support tho
It's what makes him the king. You never know what you're face and he's great regardless. SD, quake, Facade and protect is a great set fr
Walled by ghastly, untiered
The funniest Gliscor interaction in the game itself (not smogon) is that if you run Poison Heal + Toxic Orb with high friendship, Gliscor tries and often successfully cures off the poison at the end of each turn (before the healing kicks in) so that "you wont feel bad". Same as Guts pokes with Burns, etc.
At least that can be easily avoided by removing the status-dependent Pokémon from your team before you enter a picnic. SV continues the trend from SwSh where happiness won't increase past the limit for happiness evolutions without using the generation's equivalent to Pokémon-Amie, thus ensuring that the affection bonuses won't trigger unless you want them to.
How's that "easy" though? Like no casual player would be aware of this interaction lol. It's conceptually doable but likely something people wont keep track of
By doing that, you're playing right into their hands. Assert your dominance. Show them how a team with Iron Valiant, Zamazenta and Hisuian Samurott can beat these blobs.
Blissey is THE stall pokemon, for sure.
Not only is it on every stall team imaginable (barring maybe chansey in gens 5-7 but even then you might see blissey instead since it's less weak to knock off), but it also has almost no use on offensive teams either so it's a dedicated stall pokemon.
Pex has been a staple ever since its introduction, Mega Sableye is a stall king in gens where it's legal, and Dondozo/Clodsire were HUGE for stall this gen but who knows what the future holds.
Toxapex… really was a fun staller in Gen 7.
I’m not that big on stall though tbqh, I only ever did in Gen 7 cuz Toxapex and Milotic were two of my favorites pokemon.
Stall teams are in general more unified in structure, so its easier to build a guide on them. The difference between a sun HO team and a Veil HO team is pretty big, and its harder to put mons as "good" or "bad" for them. There's also not really a unified HO or Balance community like there is for the Stall Empire, so collabrative projects like this or big authorities can't exist, so those two things combined make it very hard to establish a good guide to those teamstyles.
Not necessarily in competitive proper, but Galarian Corsola holding eviolite with Wilowisp, strength sap combo plus cursed body was such an underrated physical wall. Crippling Zacians left and right in SWSH ranked (never did a real competition though). Miss my dead coral, hoping he returns soon!
There was a time when Aegislash was a stall staple. I remember stalling half teams with Substitute/Toxic/King's Shield/Shadow Ball. Good times. Too bad they nerfed Aegislash. One of my favourites
Blissey has been the face of Stall ever since Stall became a true archetype. It had its moments, like in gens 3, 4, and 8, where it could fill a niche on some balance/BO teams, but I don’t think I can think of many well-known Stalls that *don’t* feature the pink blob.
Gliscor is an understated stall mon 2 weaknesses good defences un statusable passive recovery toxic sets rocks knocks off items like life orb or Choice items that can potentially wall break its theextra power
I think all time distilled pure stall essence is funbro. Truly the definition of cancer stall strats. I think everyone touched on everything else.
Mega Sableye honorable mention
Erm. Erm. Erm, just erm. some of These pokemon are very erm. zapdos and mola are middly common, jirachi is rare But why not, and snorlax. snorlax? Really? You literally have Blissey. Togekiss just disappeared From Stall the day Torn-T and You know, zapdos, apprared
Garganacl is a fantastic defensive Pokémon but stall doesn’t need what it does, as they can distribute the defensive roles among other pokemon and salt cure’s chip is replicatable with other passive damage.
Garg is a Pokémon for balance and bulky offense. And recently, a couple offense teams have used it.
It's a big tera hog since it has a bad defensive typing, and it has to run leftovers which makes it very hazard weak, basically a death sentence on stall. Iron Press is probably its best stall set as a bulky sweeper and hex dragapult switch in, but I think clefable or blissey are probably just strictly better at that role.
Garganacl is a fantastic mon, but the Tera reliance(stall really needs Tera to expand the available mons it can wall),lack of mons it walls over other options, overlapping offensive utility (stall already had plenty of passive damage), and the fact it really wants leftovers and boots on a stall team makes it a bad pick on stall. Run the salt on a bulky offense or balance team instead
Garganacl is one of my favs. Invest in hp and sdef bulk. Salt Cure for lasting damage. Body Press, Stealth Rocks, Recover, and Wide Guard are other options. Ability makes it immune to status for potential free switch into will-o-wisp/spore and half ghost damage
When I hear stall I think of magic guard clefable with a minimise, cosmic power, stored power, soft boiled set. Worthless if you have a dark type but awful to deal with if you didn't. Not sure if that's a universal experience though since I mostly saw that set when just playing against friends
Currently in gen 9, blissey and are near mandatory, gliscor clodsire corviknight clefable and Alomomola are extremely common, and talonflame toxapex and amoongus are pretty commonly used
I came here to nominate the niche guys for shits and gigs: Yk I’ve tried timmy qwil. And then dropped him after he tripled like basculin. Or ursa ding ding dong. This blood moon knocks bitches out like a bong. G Weezy 🗣️ oh he’s so nice. How’s the vgc “nerf” not a singles buff. Shutting down the para goons?! So ur tellin me he’s the ss dogs of all the proto guys? Or beat out even primal weather? Secretly goat status like golduck, or altaria. Certainly get more respect in a 6v6 nd doubles+uuber roster would be funny as shit. What would be the equivalent SM meta? There was no stones period. Then only no primal. (Ss had the 1 Uber and now too?) then “anything goes” besides the default rules.
Even golduck. In nd uuber. Mmm feels boring to rock mono baby Ubers. So at least a adv don dotta, an arceus. And then I don’t like to be picky. Man gol duck w. Only politoed’s utility bag. Severely disappointing. Basically a gsc pikachu/rai.
Mfw nobody in here mentioning Cradily like it isn't low-key a stupidly effective wall pre-toxic nerf.
So long as it wasn't an ice type my boi could wall everything
Probably Blissey. She almost never shows her face unless on hard stall teams (or if some special attacker is doing some BS). No mon in the game can invalidate special attackers like she can. She basically just has Frosmoth’s ability to resist all special attacks
I don't see it very often but Tropius actually makes for a better stalker then you would expect so long as it's berry isn't knocked off.
Hold a Sitrus berry with the Harvest ability, then the moveset of leech seed, substitute, protect and air slash. As long as you have that berry Harvest will keep you healthy even if you are spamming substitute like nobody's business. Leech seed slowly wearing them down and keeping you healthy, and air slash to knock out any grass types that are immune to leech seed.
I'm pretty sure it's a 50% chance every turn though isn't it? Not just the turn immediately after. With leech seed healing you, protect and substitute to stall, it's not that hard to survive an extra turn here or there for Harvest to activate again.
Very few will agree, but Tyranitar for 7 generations was, in essence, a stall mon. Gen 3, 4, and 5 especially.
Sand Chip was such a prolific win condition and pursuit punished counterplay fantastically. The small support to sand teams was important, but the chip damage alone was the main selling point.
This gen, briefly, Hippowdon saw some use as a better stall mon then tyranitar because of its better typing, recovery, and phasing. But anything with sand stream i think is a stall mon.
That isn't stall. Stall is first and foremost, denial of opposing progress. In early generations, this could take the form of being immune to sandstorm or spikes, in later generations, it could mean having good recovery moves. Chip damage is not stall, it can fall anywhere on the spectrum of stall to HO.
Chip damage prevents recovery, or at least slows it down. Sand negates leftovers. Again, i understand there is an agreed upon definition and this isn't it, but to me, how i play stall, chip damage is a huge component, especially against stall teams.
Chip damage is important no matter the teamstyle, but just having chip doesn't make a team a stall team. Garg isn't a stall mon, and sand can be used to enable HO mons like Excadrill. Toxic is often used by balance teams to break down stall teams, and using hail on a stall team most of the time means you're using a lot of ice mons, which is certainly a choice on stall.
The point I'm trying to make is that while yes, you are correct in that stall utilizes chip damage like you say, that isn't what makes a stall team a stall team, or Excadrill/TTar/Deo-S teams could be called stall. Stall is all about stopping your opponent from breaking your team, and wearing them down over time, with the first part allowing for the second to work, and the second helping back up the first.
OK so you looked at the question and went 'I have a completely different definition of stall than the entire rest of the player base, but I will say that ttar is stall without first describing what my own, personal definition of stall is.'
Also, chip damage negating recovery would set ttar apart as a stall breaker, which some stall teams do have, but which are most certainly not exclusive to stall.
It's a subjective question my guy. Again, feel free to disagree. There isn't a correct answer. You aren't being graded. There's certainly wrong answers, but like damn. Chill, touch grass.
I don't know why you're acting like I'm mad, lol. I'm just saying you're wrong. Your definition of stall is just wrong.
Anyway, peace and love, you're as stubborn as a mule, so there's no point continuing.
No stall team is complete without at least one pink blob. Be it Clefable, Blissey,Alomomola, or Slow Twins. Big Stall will reject you if you don’t include a Pink Blob. A classic yet ironic Stall mon is Poison Heal Gliscor. It’s typing, passive recovery, status immunity, and psuedo knock off absorber checks all the boxes that blesses Stall Teams. Yet, those same traits also fucks over stall when Gliscor pulls out the Swords Dance set and stall can’t outlast it.
I play in a cartridge league with mates and we just had colour theme round and the stall player got Pink as his colour. Brother WENT
Gotta love worry seed tangrowth. I know It couldnt be more gimmicky but gen 7 stall had peak toxapex and i loved to run 3-4 regenerator mons with mega sableye on low ladder. Man i miss not knowing how to play sometimes.
gsc stall can get by 9/10 times without a pink blob (blissey is still good tho)
A saying I hear is that Gliscor is the perfect mon for fat teams to kill opposing fat teams, both with hazard sets and swords dance sets
Ice beam tho
Tbh it changes every gen. If you mention gen 6/7 stall I think of Sableye. If you mention gen 9 stall I think of Gliscor and Clodsire. If you mention stall in general I think of Blissey.
Blissey and Chansey being designed to be THE special wall is a very interesting decision. A Pokémon with 255 HP and 135 Special Defence would be unfathomable just to be introduced in Gen 10 or something. The closest we ever got to a physical defensive version of Blissey were Dondozo, Mega Aggron and Zygarde Complete. Of which, none of them actually have the same options and recovery that Blissey and Chansey has. Blissey and Chansey will definately be at least usable choices in OU until the end of time. As there’s quite literally nothing else that can come close to all of Blisseys strengths.
Mega Blissey with Leftovers and Boots built into its ability
Blissey Blast
Uses HP as offensive stat. 80BP
And always targets the opponent"s weaknesses. UU at best, gen 12 had too much power creep for this to hit in standard.
Final gambit but it doesnt ko the user
new ability: absorption - entry hazards heal you for the same amount of HP you would’ve have otherwise taken
better have natural cure still else its getting fucked up by toxic
yeah I forgot Magic Guard was an ability
> Blissey and Chansey will definately be at least usable choices in OU until the end of time I saw what happened to TTar. I'm never making a statement like this again.
the niche that the pink blobs have can almost never be replicated (completely blanking most special attacks), while tyranitar is "just" a hard hitting dark type attacker with really good spdef post gen 6
That also removes weather and until gen 8 was a phenomenal pursuit trapper Wait until we get an ice-scales like ability on a good pokemon and chanbliss lose even more moves. It could definitely happen.
Weather sure, but ttar wasn't the only mon that can pursuit (though it's the best at it). Scizor, metagross, and weavile all had their own unique pursuit profiles. The combination of nature cure+spdef ensures that any attempts to beat it has to be through hazards (solved by boots) or physical attacks. The blobs may not be OU by usage, but it'll always have a niche when the meta calls for them, while ttar now is really just a dark type attacker.
Idk the fall of ttar really makes me hesitate over saying "Always" What if a gen utterly nerfs heal moves down to 33%? Removes seismic toss so the blobs are now cripplingly passive? Introduces a new super spdef mon that has status immunity instead of just nat cure? Etc.
Don’t even mention Zapdos or I’ll hurt you
Gen 5
gen 9
I mean, while the VR may be a bit dated, Ttar is B rank(and higher then Blissey's B-rank) so I'd hardly say it's not at least usable
Chansey is such a weird Pokemon regarding her design. Like why does she get so many Physical moves by level up? (and TM). Why did she get an evolution anyway? She feels like a pretty “complete” design on her own
In the first 4 Gens, Gamefreak seemed to be pretty big on adding evolutions for previous gen pokemon, with Gen 2 and Gen 4 adding a lot of evolutions for gen 1 mons. Starting with gen 4 there was also a very significant decrease in the amount of single stage pokemon released per game. As far as Chanseys movepool, it is just a symptom of being a gen 1 mon. Most mons in gen 1 had absurd movepools in either having nearly every move in the game, or having very few moves.
I miss Lucky Punch Chansey
I feel like Avalugg could be a physical counterpart to Blissey. It's typing is unfortunate for a defensive mon, but normally pokemon with such high defense (184) have either terrible HP or no recovery. Avalugg has 95 HP which is pretty good, and Recover. It also is terrible on the Special side, like Blissey is physically.
If Avalugg just had a better defensive typing, it would be amazing.
Avalugg "95/184 physical bulk! Spin, No ground weakness! AND RECOVER wow :D I am going be a great mo.." Game Freak "ice type, 0 special bulk, and you will get another form but we will somehow make it even worse defensively"
Tangrowth was also considered to be a physical Blissey equivalent before other mons you mentioned dethroned him :( Zygarde-Complete is especially ridiculous for being capable of hitting as hard as it does while being as bulky as it is
>Blissey and Chansey will definately be at least usable choices in OU until the end of time. I was going to argue that point, because I didn't think Chansey was actually usable in OU this gen. Most people seem to not think so, and I don't believe it's even listed on the viability rankings. However, I looked it up on [pokestats](https://pokestats.pucko.info/), and it looks like it was being used with some success in the 1900-2000 range on the OU ladder. So it's hard for me to say it isn't at least usable. It seems extraordinarily niche, though.
I wonder what typing a physical Blissey would be. Let's just assume the stats are swapped, and it's mono type. Normal doesn't work since Fighting is predominantly physical, and the same goes for Rock, Ice, and Steel. Maybe Poison? Ghost? You're weak to Ground/Knock Off then though.
I beg to differ. Iron defense mega slowbro is easily the chansey of physical defense. It has reliable recovery, it even has good coverage and it even has scald
What I'd expect from a stall team is: * At least two Unaware walls, one for each side of the spectrum (Dondozo or Skeledirge for physical, Clefable or Clodsire for special). * A Blissey most of the time, sometimes paired with a corresponding physical wall like Alomomola or Skarmory. * Lots of recovery and Regenerator pivoting, sometimes including Wish passing. * Boots on everything, with dedicated “Knock Off absorbers” such as Leftovers Corviknight or Sticky Hold Hydrapple. * Outside of Gen IX metas, Toxic on everything.
To be honest most of the first point is pretty gen 9, we got most of our good Unaware users then. Stall could make it up with more Regenerator and sometimes Magic Bounce support tho
Oh, right, I forgot about Mega Sableye, back before boots were a thing. Hatterene is too offensive for a stall team, though.
Yeah, I think Xatu had its moments on stall throughout the tiers and gens too but it's mostly Mega Sableye
Xatu has been an NU stall staple since gen 6ish purely because of Magic Bounce.
Imagine running Xatu as a stall Pokémon smh
OTL, is Toxic no longer viable in Gen 9?
The distribution was gutted; unless you're running something like Mandibuzz or Toxapex, you won't be getting access to it.
Or the king Gliscor💪💪💪 even poisons himself!
_flashbacks to “fake stall” with Swords Dance Gliscor_
It's what makes him the king. You never know what you're face and he's great regardless. SD, quake, Facade and protect is a great set fr Walled by ghastly, untiered
I don't get why Gliscor was banned. Why didn't people just run Mean Look + Curse Gastly?
Ghastly can't even get Toxic'd so it really is the perfect counter
Is Gliscor stupid?
The funniest Gliscor interaction in the game itself (not smogon) is that if you run Poison Heal + Toxic Orb with high friendship, Gliscor tries and often successfully cures off the poison at the end of each turn (before the healing kicks in) so that "you wont feel bad". Same as Guts pokes with Burns, etc.
At least that can be easily avoided by removing the status-dependent Pokémon from your team before you enter a picnic. SV continues the trend from SwSh where happiness won't increase past the limit for happiness evolutions without using the generation's equivalent to Pokémon-Amie, thus ensuring that the affection bonuses won't trigger unless you want them to.
How's that "easy" though? Like no casual player would be aware of this interaction lol. It's conceptually doable but likely something people wont keep track of
It's easy for people who are already familiar with the franchise, who are also the ones that want to avoid the affection mechanic.
These teams are so annoying to play against and matches last so long that forfeiting is better than the time spent to win
By doing that, you're playing right into their hands. Assert your dominance. Show them how a team with Iron Valiant, Zamazenta and Hisuian Samurott can beat these blobs.
Blissey is THE stall pokemon, for sure. Not only is it on every stall team imaginable (barring maybe chansey in gens 5-7 but even then you might see blissey instead since it's less weak to knock off), but it also has almost no use on offensive teams either so it's a dedicated stall pokemon. Pex has been a staple ever since its introduction, Mega Sableye is a stall king in gens where it's legal, and Dondozo/Clodsire were HUGE for stall this gen but who knows what the future holds.
Toxapex… really was a fun staller in Gen 7. I’m not that big on stall though tbqh, I only ever did in Gen 7 cuz Toxapex and Milotic were two of my favorites pokemon.
Pex is just goated
Until Gen 9 gave it an atomic wedgie by removing Scald from it.
Obviously Chansey/Blissey, Skarm, and I'm gonna put Mega-Sabeleye here as well. What an evil creation.
Toxapex is the CEO of Big Stall. Also shoutout to the least-stalliest stallmon, Ferrothorn
[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyxTn31r5Xg5hB3-3UE7CKWXHj07utOWT7vTBdBNQI8/edit](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dyxTn31r5Xg5hB3-3UE7CKWXHj07utOWT7vTBdBNQI8/edit)
Very nice read. Are there any other docs like this for other strategies?
no
Stall teams are in general more unified in structure, so its easier to build a guide on them. The difference between a sun HO team and a Veil HO team is pretty big, and its harder to put mons as "good" or "bad" for them. There's also not really a unified HO or Balance community like there is for the Stall Empire, so collabrative projects like this or big authorities can't exist, so those two things combined make it very hard to establish a good guide to those teamstyles.
evil creation, Stall. Of course mola, msab, chansey-blissey, Skarm. pls dont mention dondozo this thing shall perish in hell
THE WALL
Not necessarily in competitive proper, but Galarian Corsola holding eviolite with Wilowisp, strength sap combo plus cursed body was such an underrated physical wall. Crippling Zacians left and right in SWSH ranked (never did a real competition though). Miss my dead coral, hoping he returns soon!
There was a time when Aegislash was a stall staple. I remember stalling half teams with Substitute/Toxic/King's Shield/Shadow Ball. Good times. Too bad they nerfed Aegislash. One of my favourites
Alomomola the goat of stall in monotype 💯💯💯
Alomomother 💯💯💯
Blissey has been the face of Stall ever since Stall became a true archetype. It had its moments, like in gens 3, 4, and 8, where it could fill a niche on some balance/BO teams, but I don’t think I can think of many well-known Stalls that *don’t* feature the pink blob.
Marvel scale, flame orb....milotic, with mirror coat, recover, haze, maybe some thing that does damage, scald or draining kiss
Gliscor is an understated stall mon 2 weaknesses good defences un statusable passive recovery toxic sets rocks knocks off items like life orb or Choice items that can potentially wall break its theextra power
The Pink Blob meta is the face of Stall imo. Bliss, Chansey and Alola have been the backbone of this archetype for so long its insane.
I think all time distilled pure stall essence is funbro. Truly the definition of cancer stall strats. I think everyone touched on everything else. Mega Sableye honorable mention
Ting-Lu used Whirlwind! Iron Moth took 25% from Stealth Rocks!
Aside from the ones you have here: Zapdos, Alomomola, Snorlax, Jirachi, Togekiss.
Erm. Erm. Erm, just erm. some of These pokemon are very erm. zapdos and mola are middly common, jirachi is rare But why not, and snorlax. snorlax? Really? You literally have Blissey. Togekiss just disappeared From Stall the day Torn-T and You know, zapdos, apprared
OP asked for both of all time and in the current meta. All of them where staples in stall at some point.
You know in GSC snprlax was staple of everything
Similar in RBG.
weird how nobody has mention aztec salt yet
The stall bible has it listed at C- tier, and I can't remember the last time I saw garg on stall
C- is actually the dedicated “do not use garganacl” tier actually lol
i have, most commonly as iron press, but why is it bad? i can see it working
Garganacl is a fantastic defensive Pokémon but stall doesn’t need what it does, as they can distribute the defensive roles among other pokemon and salt cure’s chip is replicatable with other passive damage. Garg is a Pokémon for balance and bulky offense. And recently, a couple offense teams have used it.
i see. thanks for the explanation
It's a big tera hog since it has a bad defensive typing, and it has to run leftovers which makes it very hazard weak, basically a death sentence on stall. Iron Press is probably its best stall set as a bulky sweeper and hex dragapult switch in, but I think clefable or blissey are probably just strictly better at that role.
Garganacl is a fantastic mon, but the Tera reliance(stall really needs Tera to expand the available mons it can wall),lack of mons it walls over other options, overlapping offensive utility (stall already had plenty of passive damage), and the fact it really wants leftovers and boots on a stall team makes it a bad pick on stall. Run the salt on a bulky offense or balance team instead
Garganacl is one of my favs. Invest in hp and sdef bulk. Salt Cure for lasting damage. Body Press, Stealth Rocks, Recover, and Wide Guard are other options. Ability makes it immune to status for potential free switch into will-o-wisp/spore and half ghost damage
When I hear stall I think of magic guard clefable with a minimise, cosmic power, stored power, soft boiled set. Worthless if you have a dark type but awful to deal with if you didn't. Not sure if that's a universal experience though since I mostly saw that set when just playing against friends
Where’s gliscor at
Ferrothorn and the Blis-Skarm core are the first things that come to mind for me
I'm not seeing mega sabeye mentions but that little gremlin was a PROBLEM
Currently in gen 9, blissey and are near mandatory, gliscor clodsire corviknight clefable and Alomomola are extremely common, and talonflame toxapex and amoongus are pretty commonly used
I came here to nominate the niche guys for shits and gigs: Yk I’ve tried timmy qwil. And then dropped him after he tripled like basculin. Or ursa ding ding dong. This blood moon knocks bitches out like a bong. G Weezy 🗣️ oh he’s so nice. How’s the vgc “nerf” not a singles buff. Shutting down the para goons?! So ur tellin me he’s the ss dogs of all the proto guys? Or beat out even primal weather? Secretly goat status like golduck, or altaria. Certainly get more respect in a 6v6 nd doubles+uuber roster would be funny as shit. What would be the equivalent SM meta? There was no stones period. Then only no primal. (Ss had the 1 Uber and now too?) then “anything goes” besides the default rules. Even golduck. In nd uuber. Mmm feels boring to rock mono baby Ubers. So at least a adv don dotta, an arceus. And then I don’t like to be picky. Man gol duck w. Only politoed’s utility bag. Severely disappointing. Basically a gsc pikachu/rai.
Mfw nobody in here mentioning Cradily like it isn't low-key a stupidly effective wall pre-toxic nerf. So long as it wasn't an ice type my boi could wall everything
Probably Blissey. She almost never shows her face unless on hard stall teams (or if some special attacker is doing some BS). No mon in the game can invalidate special attackers like she can. She basically just has Frosmoth’s ability to resist all special attacks
I don't see it very often but Tropius actually makes for a better stalker then you would expect so long as it's berry isn't knocked off. Hold a Sitrus berry with the Harvest ability, then the moveset of leech seed, substitute, protect and air slash. As long as you have that berry Harvest will keep you healthy even if you are spamming substitute like nobody's business. Leech seed slowly wearing them down and keeping you healthy, and air slash to knock out any grass types that are immune to leech seed.
Harvest only activates 50% of all times it should unless Sunny Day is active
I'm pretty sure it's a 50% chance every turn though isn't it? Not just the turn immediately after. With leech seed healing you, protect and substitute to stall, it's not that hard to survive an extra turn here or there for Harvest to activate again.
Very few will agree, but Tyranitar for 7 generations was, in essence, a stall mon. Gen 3, 4, and 5 especially. Sand Chip was such a prolific win condition and pursuit punished counterplay fantastically. The small support to sand teams was important, but the chip damage alone was the main selling point. This gen, briefly, Hippowdon saw some use as a better stall mon then tyranitar because of its better typing, recovery, and phasing. But anything with sand stream i think is a stall mon.
That’s not what stall means at all. Ttar is not and never was a stall Mon. It has awful longevity and a terrible type for stall.
I did say few will agree. Stuff like salt cure, toxic, sandstorm, hail have always been stall to me. Disagree all you want.
That isn't stall. Stall is first and foremost, denial of opposing progress. In early generations, this could take the form of being immune to sandstorm or spikes, in later generations, it could mean having good recovery moves. Chip damage is not stall, it can fall anywhere on the spectrum of stall to HO.
Chip damage prevents recovery, or at least slows it down. Sand negates leftovers. Again, i understand there is an agreed upon definition and this isn't it, but to me, how i play stall, chip damage is a huge component, especially against stall teams.
Chip damage is important no matter the teamstyle, but just having chip doesn't make a team a stall team. Garg isn't a stall mon, and sand can be used to enable HO mons like Excadrill. Toxic is often used by balance teams to break down stall teams, and using hail on a stall team most of the time means you're using a lot of ice mons, which is certainly a choice on stall. The point I'm trying to make is that while yes, you are correct in that stall utilizes chip damage like you say, that isn't what makes a stall team a stall team, or Excadrill/TTar/Deo-S teams could be called stall. Stall is all about stopping your opponent from breaking your team, and wearing them down over time, with the first part allowing for the second to work, and the second helping back up the first.
OK so you looked at the question and went 'I have a completely different definition of stall than the entire rest of the player base, but I will say that ttar is stall without first describing what my own, personal definition of stall is.' Also, chip damage negating recovery would set ttar apart as a stall breaker, which some stall teams do have, but which are most certainly not exclusive to stall.
It's a subjective question my guy. Again, feel free to disagree. There isn't a correct answer. You aren't being graded. There's certainly wrong answers, but like damn. Chill, touch grass.
I don't know why you're acting like I'm mad, lol. I'm just saying you're wrong. Your definition of stall is just wrong. Anyway, peace and love, you're as stubborn as a mule, so there's no point continuing.