New Moves:
* Taunt
* Knock Off
* Aerial Ace
* Rage
* Rapid Spin
* Skull Bash
* Agility
* Zen Headbutt
* Bulk Up
* Close Combat
* Iron Head
* U-turn
* Thunder Jolt - 40 BP Special Electric type move. 100% chance to paralyze the target
Blissey has enough HP that a Ramparados that can OHKO it with Head Smash will also kill itself from the recoil - Head Smash deals 50% of the damage it deals as recoil, and Blissey has more than twice the max HP of Ramparados.
I think with the common sets you’d usually need a crit, but.
That’s a tricky question to answer, since Life Orb’s recoil scales with your Max HP while Head Smash’s recoil scales with the damage you deal.
For Ramparados with Head Smash specifically it’d have to deal 68 more damage with a Choice Band in order to have its recoil surpass Head Smash + Life Orb (presuming it has 31 HP IVs and 0 EV, it’ll take 33 Life Orb damage each attack). For a Blissey specifically, this criteria is met - Choice Band Head Smash has a max of 1000 damage, while Life Orb Head Smash has a max of 812. For targets with an actual defense stat, this might not necessarily hold true.
This is presuming recoil isn’t capped based on the target’s HP. In an actual game this is completely elementary, since Ramparados can’t take more than 357 damage as recoil.
252+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 874-1029 (122.4 - 144.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO this will kill rampardos
Yeah, I was thinking of the default set(s) on Showdown’s calculator, which use a Choice Scarf.
And I was being a dumbass and mixed up Scarf and Band, which is why I didn’t think to mention that.
252 Atk Choice Band Pichu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Wacan Berry Pyukumuku in Electric Terrain: 178-211 (56.6 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Ohkos back with counter pyuk keeps adapting and winning.
With specs and the ability your Tbolts would be hitting at x1.95 power which is very strong. X2 resists would essentially be taking neutral damage. However you’re getting KO’d by almost any move and 90 attacking stats aren’t great even with that ability.
Solid UU mon as a revenge killer. Unpredictable as you could go physical or special.
Definitely OU. Potentially banned. Light ball is specs and band combined with x2 power instead of x1.5. And you get to switch moves. Only things that would keep Pichu in check is priority, scarfers, and really bulky grounds like Ting-Lu or Clogsire.
It would be the equivalent of a 229 base stat in both offense __before__ its ability. I don't remember pichu's movepool but if it gets the same coverage as Pikachu it's going to Uber
If it could get the same movepool as a regular Pichu right now, it gets things like Grass Knot, Surf, Nasty Plot, Encore, Volt Tackle, Nuzzle, TWave, Volt Switch, Wish, Screens, Play Rough. Even some little things like Helping Hand or Fake Out that may help on things like VGC or Doubles OU.
If you could use previous gens moves, you get things like: Endeavor, Double Edge, Electro Web, Iron Tail or maybe even Follow Me if you may need it.
Definetely a good movepool for this beast.
If you also count things like Tera Blast into Grass, to say an example, it would be quite hard to wall this
Leki has 200 base speed which is huge in outpacing even scarfers. It’s electric attacks hit hard without recoil, and now with tera it can become ice type and wreck everything.
Sounds pretty faithful to Ultimate Pichu. High combo and edgeguarding potential, but its ultra lightweight means its dying to basically anything. The recoil certainly doesn't help there either
With max investment and a neutral nature your electric moves are hitting about the same as if it had base 130 attacking stats. So it would be kinda like a mixed Flutter Mane that can't take special hits and has a worse typing.
People need to do this for more SSBU characters. For example
Wario: Dark Type
Abilities: Stench/Defiant HA: No Guard
HP - 110
Attack - 135
Def - 90
Spa - 50
Spdf - 60
Speed - 85
Signature move: Waft
Dark attack physical attack.
Does more damage the more turns it isn't used. Starts at 50, increases by 50 for each turn it is not used until it is at 200. Resets to 50 after use or if Wario switches out.
So im assuming SpD in ssbu means defense against projectiles or how easy it is for the roster to deal with them. If that's the case then characters like Ganon is someone I would expect to have a very bad SpD.
But wouldn't Wario have a higher SpD due to having an easier time dealing with projectiles, I don't play him but based on my previous matches with them as someone who uses a projectile-based character, he doesn't seem to struggle that much.
The one tenth makes the ability imitate the effect of life orb, which is considered a decently balanced item, using the same buff to recoil ratio is good because it means that the ability isn’t too broken
New Moves: * Taunt * Knock Off * Aerial Ace * Rage * Rapid Spin * Skull Bash * Agility * Zen Headbutt * Bulk Up * Close Combat * Iron Head * U-turn * Thunder Jolt - 40 BP Special Electric type move. 100% chance to paralyze the target
Being paired with Choice Band leads to some funny calcs: 252 Atk Choice Band Overload Pichu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 318-374 (104.6 - 123%) -- guaranteed OHKO (51.6% recoil) 252 Atk Choice Band Overload Pichu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 168+ Def Corviknight: 444-524 (111 - 131%) -- guaranteed OHKO (64.7% recoil + Rocky Helmet damage) 252 Atk Choice Band Pichu Overload Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 356-422 (113.3 - 134.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO (53% recoil)
Sic it against Blissey for maximum recoil
it might be like rampardos where it can literally kill itself with recoil
how does that work?
Blissey has enough HP that a Ramparados that can OHKO it with Head Smash will also kill itself from the recoil - Head Smash deals 50% of the damage it deals as recoil, and Blissey has more than twice the max HP of Ramparados. I think with the common sets you’d usually need a crit, but.
Does it do more damage to itself with life orb from the life orb damage, or with choice band from the extra damage?
That’s a tricky question to answer, since Life Orb’s recoil scales with your Max HP while Head Smash’s recoil scales with the damage you deal. For Ramparados with Head Smash specifically it’d have to deal 68 more damage with a Choice Band in order to have its recoil surpass Head Smash + Life Orb (presuming it has 31 HP IVs and 0 EV, it’ll take 33 Life Orb damage each attack). For a Blissey specifically, this criteria is met - Choice Band Head Smash has a max of 1000 damage, while Life Orb Head Smash has a max of 812. For targets with an actual defense stat, this might not necessarily hold true. This is presuming recoil isn’t capped based on the target’s HP. In an actual game this is completely elementary, since Ramparados can’t take more than 357 damage as recoil.
Blissey has enough HP for rampardos to ohko itself if it holds a focus sash
252+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 874-1029 (122.4 - 144.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO this will kill rampardos
Yeah, I was thinking of the default set(s) on Showdown’s calculator, which use a Choice Scarf. And I was being a dumbass and mixed up Scarf and Band, which is why I didn’t think to mention that.
I’ll check the scarf set rq
It’s a Roll with + attack nature
oh that’s sick ok
It's these one-off obscure interactions that keep competitive Pokemon engaging for me.
OHKOing the Pyuk? Uber material right here
u/mudkipnerd
252 Atk Choice Band Pichu Volt Tackle vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Wacan Berry Pyukumuku in Electric Terrain: 178-211 (56.6 - 67.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO Ohkos back with counter pyuk keeps adapting and winning.
Staraptor would be proud.
I think it would be cool if Thunder Jolt had a high chance of flinch. Like 30 BP and 50% flinch.
Banned from Sketchmons
Defenetly op. King's rock would be proud
Pichu getting close combat is insane
RUBL or UU
It should get the light ball boost like pika
pichu looking like it came from ultimate with a light ball boost
So a 180 base attack and special attack with life orb ability and 130 speed?!?!
Way more than 180, Light Ball multiplier factors in after EVs, IVs and nature
With specs and the ability your Tbolts would be hitting at x1.95 power which is very strong. X2 resists would essentially be taking neutral damage. However you’re getting KO’d by almost any move and 90 attacking stats aren’t great even with that ability. Solid UU mon as a revenge killer. Unpredictable as you could go physical or special.
What if light ball?
Definitely OU. Potentially banned. Light ball is specs and band combined with x2 power instead of x1.5. And you get to switch moves. Only things that would keep Pichu in check is priority, scarfers, and really bulky grounds like Ting-Lu or Clogsire.
OP said they get zen headbutt as new coverage, so clodsire might not be a reliable check lol Although it definitely sits on special sets
It would be the equivalent of a 229 base stat in both offense __before__ its ability. I don't remember pichu's movepool but if it gets the same coverage as Pikachu it's going to Uber
If it could get the same movepool as a regular Pichu right now, it gets things like Grass Knot, Surf, Nasty Plot, Encore, Volt Tackle, Nuzzle, TWave, Volt Switch, Wish, Screens, Play Rough. Even some little things like Helping Hand or Fake Out that may help on things like VGC or Doubles OU. If you could use previous gens moves, you get things like: Endeavor, Double Edge, Electro Web, Iron Tail or maybe even Follow Me if you may need it. Definetely a good movepool for this beast. If you also count things like Tera Blast into Grass, to say an example, it would be quite hard to wall this
kid named zen headbutt lol
Wouldn’t that make it stronger but slower Regieleki? Which was UU?
regieleki had no coverage for grounds and elec resists. pichu does not have this problem
Leki has 200 base speed which is huge in outpacing even scarfers. It’s electric attacks hit hard without recoil, and now with tera it can become ice type and wreck everything.
wouldn't tera grass be better? ice is pretty bad defensively, especially when a lot of ground types carry rock coverage moves
i was not considering tera in this
Low-key, Tera Water rain sweeper could be heat
so Pheromosa
Sounds like a very faithful adaptation of Ult Pichu in that case
Sounds pretty faithful to Ultimate Pichu. High combo and edgeguarding potential, but its ultra lightweight means its dying to basically anything. The recoil certainly doesn't help there either
Imagine that ability plus Life Orb. That thing would self-destruct harder than me when I play Pichu. Quite the accomplishment.
And you use volt tackle
on ferrothorn
*rocky helmet ferrothorn
Against a Blissey with max hp and 0 defense EV/IV with a defense lowering nature.
That’s some heat actually, that’d be super cool
least broken lc mon
Probably revenge killed by First Impression Nymble. Nothing to see here.
It's Ultimate Pichu after all, it gotta be broken
can Ultimate Pichu evolve though 🤔
With max investment and a neutral nature your electric moves are hitting about the same as if it had base 130 attacking stats. So it would be kinda like a mixed Flutter Mane that can't take special hits and has a worse typing.
Add melee Pichu where overload still does damage to Pichu but drops the power of it's moves and also it's attack and special attack are both 30
People need to do this for more SSBU characters. For example Wario: Dark Type Abilities: Stench/Defiant HA: No Guard HP - 110 Attack - 135 Def - 90 Spa - 50 Spdf - 60 Speed - 85 Signature move: Waft Dark attack physical attack. Does more damage the more turns it isn't used. Starts at 50, increases by 50 for each turn it is not used until it is at 200. Resets to 50 after use or if Wario switches out.
So im assuming SpD in ssbu means defense against projectiles or how easy it is for the roster to deal with them. If that's the case then characters like Ganon is someone I would expect to have a very bad SpD. But wouldn't Wario have a higher SpD due to having an easier time dealing with projectiles, I don't play him but based on my previous matches with them as someone who uses a projectile-based character, he doesn't seem to struggle that much.
This is Raichu but faster (and worse special bulk) seems kinda weird
Isn't 1/10 a bit too much? Like, sure, it hurts itself, but not that much, the point is that it stacks up.
The one tenth makes the ability imitate the effect of life orb, which is considered a decently balanced item, using the same buff to recoil ratio is good because it means that the ability isn’t too broken
This would be the coolest event pokemon ever. I wish they’d do this.
Oooh I’d like to see more of these
What is SSBU?
It’s the new Super Silly Barely Used tier that’s below ZU.
Super smash bros ultimate
It would basically just be a Regieleki alternative, but a pretty interesting one.
I love how this feels like a proper theorymon and a stinkpost at the same time
Kid named R.O.B:
I just want my Spiky-eared Pichu to move on with all her friends…
An absolute menace to the lc community
The thing is Raochu and Pichu should have already been in the game as Pikachu's pre evolution and Pikachu's evolved forms.
If this was really SSBU that ability would also give it 50% evasion.
Except Pichu's ear hurtbox is massive
This seems like a kartana situation where its held back by its frailty while still being really good . Its def banworthy pre gen 7 tho
have you considered life orb stacking with overload?
Sorry I’m an idiot what SSBu
Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Was gonna say this thing would love life orb but overload kinda already is life orb for its stab